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The new import checks are only needed if we dont recognise eu standards so an incoming government could avoid them.iirc
They also start in April, and the election won’t be before then. If Labour have time travellers in their midst, they need to get busy. Probably need to start at least 6 months ago, if not in 2019, if they want the agreements in place. No, you can’t just undo things by wishing the UK hadn’t done them.
The EU required that we provided clear labelling, that’s all. I bought a 568ml bottle of milk this morning.
Incorrect. Specified quantities act.
https://www.gov.uk/weights-measures-and-packaging-the-law/specified-quantities
Yeah, milk, or whatever, isn’t the same as strong alcohol. And still isn’t. More serving sizes for wine might get added, for headlines, but will still be controlled. Not really an EU thing.
Incorrect. Specified quantities act.
I didn't know that, thanks for the correction. It's still pretty academic though:
Packaged in bottles, boxes or similar
Volume by millilitre (ml)
Still wine 100, 187, 250, 375, 500, 750, 1000, 1500
The point there being, I assume, to ensure that consumers understand what they're buying (so you couldn't buy a 70cl bottle of wine thinking it was a regular 75cl).
Kelvin - I thought this one was fairly easy to deal with - basically just stating that we are not going to diverge from EU standards. Its already been delayed 3 times IIRC? I'll bet its not in place for april as we have not got the staff or infrastructure
^^Decent chance it will be delayed again as the last thing the Tories want is shop shortages as they head into an election. I bet they aren't even close to having the staff etc ready for such checks as tj says.
If it comes in on the date currently planned, the impact won’t be felt ‘till after a 2nd May vote, and stocks already in the UK are burnt through. If they delay the election ‘till the Autumn, they’ll delay the introduction ‘till the autumn. And, no TJ, it’s not easy to reverse once in place, it needs the T&CA seriously upgrading if we’re to comply with WTO rules and fulfil our obligation to other partners. It’s not a unilateral decision to remove checks (well, not without serious implications). Trade is based on multiple interacting rules based systems. Something I hope is now more understood.
TBH you could always buy a four pack of babyCham 🙂
Does this legitimise the manky mixing of metric and imperial for bike wheels / tyres / frames etc?
I've pondered and puzzled since WCA's post several months ago.
Asked family, friends, neighbours, random strangers.
Answer came there none.
It's possible I/we aren't sufficiently perceptive to see and understand the tremendous benefits which have, undoubtedly, accrued to the UK.
The problem is all mine.
Mouth tobacco products are back. Previously banned in the EU, Britain has introduced them now they are out.
Any links to the change in law? Pretty sure snus etc is still illegal to buy/sell in UK, but legal to use, just as before we left the EU. Unlike Sweden (in) and Norway (out) where sales are legal (but controlled). Imports are different (confusingly) but always have been.
Chewing tobacco has been in shops for some time now. I hadn't realised that it was ever restricted, just not overly popular in the UK.
Yet more crap to avoid treading/riding in along with the discarded fag ends, gum, dog eggs and grob.
Well… I’ve found no change in law… the same “mouth tobacco” products are still banned from sale (snus) or restricted (chewing tobacco). We copy and pasted the “EU laws” across.
739 posts to date and no real, serious and tangible benefit.
Give it time...
I've discovered a brexit benefit!
Less/fewer English chavs are allowed to go to Spain!
Invalid or damaged passports are no longer allowed!
**** off back to butlins.
There was a very clear example of a Brexit Benefit just a couple of days ago - as of 1 Jan 2024 the UK has joined the EU Horizon program.
There's no way we could have done that if we hadn't left it in 2020.
So stop your whinging and get busy, those union jacks won't wave themselves.
I would also like to announce that I and a colleague are today confirmed as consultants on a couple of Erasmus+ projects, worth about £9k over the next couple of years.
All this would not have been possible before as we were partners for Erasmus+ programme. We were suffering having to deal with a full time member of staff to manage, about £200k of income annually and about 500 teachers taking part or learning from the UK.
Oh goody.
The only benefit I've seen so far was on our flight to Spain this Christmas, we were almost last to leave the plane, when we arrived at the passport checkpoint the queue was huge, I thought: "This is no less than a 90 min queue", then a lady asks: "Españoles? please come this way", the EU queue was non existant.
When we came back from Geneva into Edinburgh last year the European passport queue was tiny so cleared way before the UK passport one. I shall make sure both options are at the top of my bag for a quick decision.
This is so funny.. it's an hour long and there are some boring bits, but there are some real gems in there...
UK is no longer the most obese country in the EU.....!
Hopefully the Dup will get wiped out at the GE after their pathetic actions in refusing to power share.
Here's the full article which the Observer link is based on... https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/feb/04/brexit-trade-perks-firms-business-department-leaving-eu-companies
Are you ready?
Brexit benefits here we come!
Among the top achievements listed were booming sales of honey to Saudi Arabia, surging pet food exports to India, a rush of UK pork, worth £18m over five years, heading into Mexico’s restaurants and homes, and UK beauty products sales leaping in China, thanks to barriers being smashed
The full article includes comment from sector specialists who are openly questioning of even the miniscule benefits touted by badenoch - basically saying...bollocks.
Brexit benefits? My arse.
Booming, surging, a rush of, leaping...all sound fantastic but even 100% growth of not very much is still not very much.
Year-on-year reductions in GDP is the truth of it; can't see many people queueing up to say...yep, I'll have a slice of that but that's exactly what too many people did.
I can get Bisto and salad cream in the IGA. Had a Wispa too, but they are tiny now.
Probably the only Brexit benefit is the Tories wanted it and got it then made a pigs ear of it (to be fair it was always going to be a pigs ear) and hopefully the electorate will thank them accordingly over the next few elections (plus with the added side show of the tories infighting over their personal views of their perfect Brexit)
The only Brexit benefit the brexiteers ever cared about was to avoid anti tax avoidance legislation coming into the Uk. That has succeeded very well so all those wh9 can avoid tax cans till carry on as before
Brexiteer Bruce Dickinson
Wait, what?
Iron Maiden frontman Bruce Dickinson? That Bruce Dickinson?
The only Brexit benefit the brexiteers ever cared about was to avoid anti tax avoidance legislation coming into the Uk.
Aside from the puppet-masters, the only Brexit benefit the brexiteers ever cared about was fewer brown people.
Which is exactly the opposite of what Brexit actually brought........
Unintended consequences are a bitch, eh?
And exactly what we predicted would happen.
The uncomfortable truth in Brexiteerland is that the UK needs immigration. If we restrict immigration from one source then ipso facto it has to increase from another. This surely should have been blindingly obvious.
I used to live in an area with a large Asian population, if anything white people were a minority. They were great. Aside from a handful of teenage lads who thought they were gangstas from the hood there was a really strong sense of community, of neighbourly spirit and I miss it. But if your end goal was "fewer ****stanis" then a vote for Leave was a truly stupid choice from the outset.
Hey, wait. Is that the first real, actual brexit benefit?
It's well documented that ladies and gentlemen (and others) of a swarthy complexion are over-represented in the NHS. Does that mean more Indian doctors, more ****stani nurses, more Bangladeshi consultants, more Nepalese porters, etc etc?
Irish reunification is a genuine Brexit benefit. If that can be handled peacefully over the next couple of decades it will be a lasting legacy long after we are all back in the EU anyway.
Brexit has done nothing to change the rate of progress towards Irish re-unification; both countries had been inching closer together and that will continue.
Brexit has done nothing to change the rate of progress towards Irish re-unification; <br /><br />
or maybe it has
https://www.politico.eu/article/united-ireland-look-more-likely-brexit-study-uk-belfast/
https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/oct/25/uk-young-people-united-ireland-stormont-brexit
not my list but there are some reasonable points
https://twitter.com/TerraOrBust/status/1712076301379530967?s=20
When I click on that... I can't see any benefits listed... is that the joke, or another "X is broken" thing?
Might need to be logged into X first
Sod that. Can you give us the top three?
The X Gully account is just a right-wing shill from my interactions with him/her/it.
Little they've posted previously stands up to scrutiny, pretty sure the Top 10 is no different.
not my list but there are some reasonable points
If you consider those points reasonable then I have some magic beans I could sell you.
****ing idiotic idea
From the Gully Account
From a trade deal perspective, the UK previously had access to around 43 active trade deals as part of EU membership – a membership that, as one of the largest net contributors it paid billions each year for.
The UK has replicated all but 3 of these (Bosnia, Montenegro, Algeria) and no longer has to pay the EU a subscription fee to access any of them.
True, but I would suspect the loss of trading preference with the EU (aka the free market) dwarfs the value of the trade deals so its a question of did the (net) costs outweight the benefits.
Since leaving the EU, the UK has improved the rolled over deals with Japan, Singapore and Ukraine - and is in the process of improvement with Canada, Mexico, Switzerland and Israel.
As well as striking completely new deals with Australia and New Zealand, the UK is also close to completion on FTA negotiations with India and the six-nation GCC – all not possible within the EU.
Its out of date clearly as we've abandoned the talks on a trade deal with Canada, but either way its basically the same point as the first.
By leaving the EU, the UK has been able to align with those markets projecting the highest growth over the coming decades (the so-called Indo-Pacific tilt), as opposed to being tied to a bloc projected to see declining relevance and stagnation.
UK CPTPP accession was signed earlier this year, with ratification expected by Q4 2024.
Projecting and achieving growth are not the same thing, and its all relative to your starting point. Also as a net importer of goods unless these deals have some killer financial/services element we can trade to make us money, then so what? Having a trade deal with most of these countries won't do much for anyone in the UK.
Its all sort of marginal stuff. For example item 8:
In April this year the UK put into place its Developing Countries Trading Scheme (DCTS), which has seen the UK able to provide aid through encouraging trade with 65 developing nations across the globe - going further than EU GSP+ and EBA schemes.
This was simply not possible to do from within the EU.
Sounds great, and its technically true, but actually there's a 3 tier EU scheme for the exact same 65 countries, so you need to say things like 'going further than' if you want to skirt around the fact that the 'benefit' is that it could be changed without asking the EU, rather than looking too hard at whether its really a benefit to anyone at all.
It's no longer supported, but Thread Reader still works with a bit of URL walking.
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1712076301379530967.html
Some old favourites in there... like Freeports... we only didn't have them because we didn't want or need them... we had the international investment without needing locations where our laws and taxes can be circumvented... now we're hoping to try and regain investment interest lost thanks to Brexit by letting large multi-nationals operate their own little thiefdoms without the responsibility to the UK that they'd have if they were located elsewhere in mainland Britain.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/feb/14/brexit-tackle-politics-children-football
Have we done the “Brexit Tackle”?
I did a Brexit and all I got was this vicious mockery in the form of absurdist comedy.
Came here to post that. How brilliant.
Good interview with Gary Stevenson on Politics Joe regarding money/brexit
Have we done the “Brexit Tackle”?
Surely a Brexit tackle would be taking out one of your own side.
Better still a Brexit goal when you put the ball in your own net.
I'm definitely incorporating 'Brexit means Brexit' into my riding somehow.
I can't decide whether I should use it as a war cry for when I'm about to do a sketchy drop with a dodgy unsighted landing or should it be a small pathetic whimper after I've crashed into a tree after failing to land said drop.
Or both.
Have we done the “Brexit Tackle”?
I heard my 10yr old talking about "Brexit means Brexit" tackles with his mates when kicking a ball around. Until I saw that article this morning I had no idea the term was widespread.
I’m definitely incorporating ‘Brexit means Brexit’ into my riding somehow.
Falling over clipped in?
Having started this post ages ago I didn't expect to have to scroll through nearly 800 posts to find out the list wasn't very long.
Brexit Benefits
1) A slight smile and resigned shrug when kids playing football shout 'Brexit means Brexit' meaning they are going to do something stupid.
2) Err.. do I have to filter through the 20 pages to find the other one or can someone remind me?
There are plenty of benefits. Just not for us. The tax dodgers get to dodge more tax and the rest of the EU gets shot of a whiny pissant country with ideas above its station. It's also been great for non-EU immigration and there's been a slight uptick in trade with countries no-one's ever heard of on the other side of the planet.
The rest of us are just collateral damage. Price worth paying, crown mark on pints, god save the queen. New 50p?
As I've been saying for a while... the new schemes provide money for landowners, not farmers.
god save the queen.
Worked out as well as the rest of Brexit.
A slight smile and resigned shrug when kids playing football shout ‘Brexit means Brexit’ meaning they are going to do something stupid.
Apparently the 'Brexit Tackle' means launching a reckless challenge, hurting yourself, and not getting the ball. Heh.
What a surprise that having one of our countries in a halfway no man's land wild restrict decisions we could take without affecting the neighbours.
I'm waiting for the first Tory to suggest we get rid of NI from the Union as a solution...
https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/mar/07/vat-threshold-for-uk-businesses-limited-by-eu-rules-hunt-admits-privately
Good spot Matt.
Under the terms of the Northern Ireland protocol and the Windsor framework negotiated by Rishi Sunak, the UK must respect the EU’s €100,000 VAT threshold when setting VAT rules in Northern Ireland. This is so that businesses in Northern Ireland do not have a tax advantage over EU businesses, ensuring a “level playing field”.
Funny, I read the story this morning and thought of this thread.
Is a Brexit Benefit, not taking back control?
only if you don't give it back hoping no one will notice
So to sum Brexit benefits are:
Doing "freeports" but we didn't need them before, hurriedly replicating trade deals that we had before, but actually finding that we can't. vis India/ Canada. Finding that because we physically still border the EU, we don't have anything like the room to manoeuvre that was hoped for, despite that being known right from the get-go.
Cool, cool
only if you don’t give it back hoping no one will notice
What if you Northern Ireland was only ever a mythical construct to the brexiteers?
Schrodinger's country.
Ireland (borders/GFA/etc) was always going to be the where Brexit Fantasy would come crashing into Reality. It was obvious to anyone who was paying attention this would be the case even before the referendum.
But you know "we will hold all the cards", "german car manufacturers" "sovrintee"
Recognition of CE marking (therefore effectively abandoning UKCA marking) is up to 21 product groups from 18, and will be 22 shortly.
A slow drip-drip so it doesn't make the headlines because "UK Gives Up Trying to Implement it's Own Conformity Mark" isn't a good look.
Isn’t it obvious?
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Found a company in the UK who has the parts/kit to service my diesel stove. Very few companies in Europe seem to stock it.
Was proposing that they send it to me and the guy just cut me off saying it was too much paperwork for them.
Well done, UK. 🇬🇧