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Okay, that doesn't work. Let's try a more balanced approach of pros and cons.
Pros
It has got Farage off the nightly News updates - apart from the recent banking stuff
Cons
If I try to sell a LHD car everyone in Europe has to pay 30% import duty on it making it expensive and less people in the UK are just popping over to the continent due to the inconvenience.
Trying to get bike parts shipped out of Europe is a PITA with extra long delays
Trying to buy things from Europe and suddenly discovering suppliers who no longer ship to the UK because it is too much hassle
It reassures me that my decision to move abroad was the right one.
Although that is kind of offset by the fact I'm stuck living in the one country until I can get myself a new passport and be free to roam the EU again so overall it's a net-loss, I reckon.
This is going to be hard.
Blue passports, and crowns on pint glasses, both of which we could've done while in the EU has we felt the need to have done so, are both claimed as benefits by govt depts. I think it's fair to say that there is some barrel scraping going on here.
I got told that if I liked Europe that much I should go and live there. One too many times
So I did.
It’s even better than expected.
[i]I got told that if I liked Europe that much I should go and live there.[/i]
I replied that I already did.
I got a few days paid work filling out carnet's for a job in the EU.
The downside is the £'s I was paid are worth 20% less, the day rate seems to have been static for years, and I was only looking for work because I got made redundant about a week after the referendum.
A real benefit. I'm not an economist so don't ask for any data to back this up. But I think now that people from the EU can't easily come here to work, there's a lot more pressure on employers wanting skilled employees. They can't just hoover up graduates from EU universities.
Of course, this is a double-edged sword in many ways.
The whole shebang has proven to be a farce.
in the last few weeks we have had the announcement that for reasons, the CE/ukca marking changeover has been cancelled.
How many millions of £ have been squandered by British businesses in converting quality systems to comply with what is now accepted to be a white elephant?
And that’s not an isolated thing either…
All manner of EN->BS standards to re-purchase
Import and export of goods to EU - impacts everybody, but makes professional life incredibly difficult…
Aviation licensing - more cost for less utility and most professionals have left the uk system for employability reasons.
Never mind though, at least it stopped those pesky immigrants who staffed half the country!
Occasionally*, the VAT man will forget to add tax/duty to stuff I haven’t been charged EU VAT on.
*Once.
I havent the time to type out all the cons, let’s start with erosion of rights and protections though eh?
Con
I moved to Germany 10 years ago, I wouldn't be able to now.
There also seems to ne a middle class snobbery about this, they seem to think if their kids are university educated they will still be able to move to the EU, they won't they would still need to gain a visa for a job and prove it couldn't be filled by an EU citizen (who are also highly educated).
Pro
The UK is no longer ****ing up the EU the way they did before brexit.
It's spurred me to sort out the Irish passport that I'm eligible for.
But I think now that people from the EU can’t easily come here to work, there’s a lot more pressure on employers wanting skilled employees. They can’t just hoover up graduates from EU universities.
Translation:
Businesses and companies are worse off because they can't bring in multi-national talent.
People are worse off because they can't collaborate with foreign colleagues.
- £350m a week extra for the NHS.
- Low inflation
- a vibrant economy released from EU rules and having to CE certify stuff
- clean sewage-free rivers and seas
- no war-refugees-fleeing-persecution dying in our waters and our shores
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Now surely nobody is going to tell me these are not actually true.
A real benefit. I’m not an economist so don’t ask for any data to back this up. But I think now that people from the EU can’t easily come here to work, there’s a lot more pressure on employers wanting skilled employees. They can’t just hoover up graduates from EU universities.
Now they're coming from outside the EU...
"Annual net migration to the UK hit a record high of 606,000 last year, according to the latest official immigration statistics published last week."
I have found the 180 page PDF from the government explaining it all. Unfortunately it starts with a piece by Boris Johnston but if you skip to page 8 there are a list of at least 13 'benefits'. Importunely when I realised these were the highlights, I couldn't raise the will to ready further.
Ended free movement and taken back control of our borders. - This was one of the major benefits I got from being part of Europe
Restored democratic control over our lawmaking. - We had that anyway. The main problem was when the UK Government wanted to make laws that were against international law there was someone watching them. Again, I saw stopping the government breaking international law as a benefit.
Restored the UK Supreme Court as the final arbiter of the law that applies in the UK. - Repeat of point 2.
Made it tougher for EU criminals to enter the UK. This one might be true but I am not sure if it is actually working
Ended the acceptance of ID cards for most EU nationals travelling to the UK. - Repeat of point 1
Taken back control of our water. I don’t think that having 1 rogue nation doing their own thing while the rest of Europe have a holistic approach to fishing is a benefit.
Restored fair access to our welfare system. - Nothing to do with Europe. Welfare was always to treat those most in need. Not a benefit
Set our own tariff regime via the UK Global Tariff - Not a benefit when you have no global bargaining power. A bit like demanding everyone pays be £1,000,000 for every email I reply to. I have taken power but no-one else in the world cares.
Committed £180 million to modernise and streamline our import and export controls by creating the Single Trade Window - Where is the benefit in spending £180M to try and replicate what was already in place?
Given UK regulators the ability and the resources to make sovereign decisions about globally significant mergers. Basically a repeat of 2 but also allowing politician undue influence on economic matters for political short term gains
Launched and are undertaking reviews of the status and substance of retained EU law - Why is it a benefit to spend loads of money to review stuff that could be reviewed for free before?
Reintroduced our iconic blue passports. Who does this benefit and how, other than the French company that printed them?
Enabling businesses to use a crown stamp symbol on pint glasses. There was nothing stopping them doing this before, where’s the benefit?
They got rid of the stupid trailer test so after fudging it for 20 odd years with L plates and a passenger- I didn't have to ever pay to do it ( I wasn't ever going to as I found the idea that you could in theory fail a test about a skill you already have the license for, on an issue unrelated to driving the trailer, so offensive! 🤣) 🥳😎
The main one of course is that we are no longer in the EU. Which is great. If we can abolish the House of Lords, undo devolution, scrap the mayors and cut the amount of MP's down to about 50, that would be even better.
It's not Brexit's fault that the Tory's have bottled it by governing by Twitter opinion.
[i]It’s not Brexit’s fault that the Tory’s have bottled it by governing by Twitter opinion.[/i]
I think the argument that not ALL the government F$%k ups are down to BREXIT is one of the truer statements in favour of BREXIT but is not really a ringing endorsement. It is a bit like your wife telling you that you are better at sex than your brother or any of the local rugby team.
Brexit benefits
From the point of view of an average inhabitant of the UK - zero.
But that wasn't what it was about for the main backers of Leave - despite their protestations to the contrary.
You probably need to ask the people who actually benefitted from it and I doubt they will be on this thread. Too busy counting their money.
[i]You probably need to ask the people who actually benefitted from it and I doubt they will be on this thread. Too busy counting their money.[/i]
Is that because the people they employed to count their money can't get a work visa enymore?
You've probably seen me write this before, but "Brexit isn't the destination, it's the vehicle", and one of the greatest Trojan Horses ever.
It's enabled the UK to move from its (slim) social democratic destination to one that will make life harder for those either not fortunate to be born into privilege or not able to get themselves into privilege through either intelligence, work, education, luck and/or criminal acts.
It is then maintained by making life even harder for those outside this privilege group, and once you're in it you'll do ANYTHING not to drop out. Go live & work in the USA for a while, this is our destination - just don't be poor (or unlucky)...
This is the key "benefit" from Brexit, but only for a very, very limited number of people.
A real benefit. I’m not an economist so don’t ask for any data to back this up. But I think now that people from the EU can’t easily come here to work, there’s a lot more pressure on employers wanting skilled employees. They can’t just hoover up graduates from EU universities.
I'm genuinely curious as to how that is possibly a benefit of any sort.
If the outcome is that businesses requiring skilled employees (which is arguably not the same thing as inexperienced graduates) cannot now get the people they need to function because of cost or availability...
Their businesses will suffer. Not being able to get / afford the people you need can be a trigger/contributing event for a business failure.
Now of course we should also home grow talent for industries we see as important for the long term but by not bringing in overseas expertise we also restrict what we can learn from other markets and competition overseas.
Skilled workers would also pass the entry requirements.
Edited and removed the nonsense bit 🤪
Now they’re coming from outside the EU…
Predominantly from India.
Exactly as I predicted in 2016. I did think that "fewer Europeans = more brown people" might be a persuasive argument for the gammons but they were seemingly more concerned with "winning."
just don’t be poor (or unlucky)…
Or ill.
Ireland is becoming richer. my company has relocated part of our operations over there.
The richest in the world per capita
https://www.forbesindia.com/article/explainers/top-10-richest-countries-in-the-world/87305/1
Genuinely the only benefit I can think of was a faster rollout of the Covid vaccine. , which tbf was quite a large benefit. I think in theory we could’ve done it anyway while in the EU but I suspect politically it would’ve been impossible.
Genuinely the only benefit I can think of was a faster rollout of the Covid vaccine. , which tbf was quite a large benefit. I think in theory we could’ve done it anyway while in the EU but I suspect politically it would’ve been impossible.
And the facts seem to say otherwise:
"Johnson’s claim that “taking back control” of the UK’s medicines regulatory agency meant the vaccine rollout was easier because the UK could approve it faster than EU countries is not accurate.
Existing legislation allowed the UK to take a different approach to the rest of Europe before it left the EU, and allowed for the UK to approve vaccines in emergencies without the European Medicines Agency."
https://theferret.scot/claim-brexit-allowed-faster-vaccine-rollout-false/
BREXIT BENEFITS
1. A faster rollout of the Covid vaccine
Come on guys, we have to find more than one benefit surely?
Genuinely the only benefit I can think of was a faster rollout of the Covid vaccine. , which tbf was quite a large benefit. I think in theory we could’ve done it anyway while in the EU but I suspect politically it would’ve been impossible.
I thought that was a myth - we were still under the EU regs at the time.
I get duty free again visiting the UK from Ireland. Thanks chaps, or did you want benefits to the UK?
and one of the greatest Trojan Horses ever.
This article from 2017 lists most the folks who've shorted the pound at Brexit and have made millions (perhaps even billions in some cases) Forget the likes of Ress-Mogg, and Aaron Banks, although clearly they've both done very well out it. The folks you've never heard of before; Jeremy Hosking, Peter Cruddas, Peter Hargreaves, have all become even more fantastically rich than they ever were before, and Johnson (of course) got to be Prime Minister. This is largely why Brexit happened the way it did. This is why it needed Cambridge Analytica, this is why it needed Russian support. becasue the pay off was stupidly large amounts of money for the folks who could invest in the opportunity of a lifetime.
Oh, and all the secret bigots got to feel like they were just the same as loads of other people, and it wasn't just them who felt they way they did about darkies. Loads and loads of folks (more than you'd think) continue to feel OK about that.
Crown on pint glasses.
BREXIT BENEFITS
1. A faster rollout of the Covid vaccine
Ah! You want made up ones.
Genuinely the only benefit I can think of was a faster rollout of the Covid vaccine. , which tbf was quite a large benefit. I think in theory we could’ve done it anyway while in the EU but I suspect politically it would’ve been impossible
connsidering we had opt outs for currency, CAP, Schengen, etc etc I'm sure it would have been easy enough to do
The main one of course is that we are no longer in the EU. Which is great. If we can abolish the House of Lords, undo devolution, scrap the mayors and cut the amount of MP’s down to about 50, that would be even better.
the fact that you say leaving is a benefit without actually detailing a benefit says a lot, the reality is were now poorer, weaker & more divided than ever and infact the House of Lords has been swollen hugely by this government, we now have more Lords than there are MEPs for the whole of the EU!
The extra costs, bureaucracy and loss of funding in the sector I work in: Science, are ridiculous, Im sure a less corrupt & incompetent government would've made a better job of it but this is nonsense:
It’s not Brexit’s fault that the Tory’s have bottled it by governing by Twitter opinion.
The 'it' here is what exactly? its been a harder brexit than many Leavers said it would be and that has only made things more difficult & costly
Austerity, Brexit, Trussonomics - all pushed by the same ideology has trashed the UK, fair play to @crosshair for trying to defend it though
the fact that you say leaving is a benefit without actually detailing a benefit says a lot
Leaving the EU as a benefit of voting to leave the EU is; in of itself an article of faith to some folks, it just is. It doesn't need explanation or inspection.
Off the back of brexit I finally got round to applying for a German passport. Did so just in time that I didn't have to decide to give up my British citizenship. Am dual nationality, but honestly, if I were applying now I would happily dump my UK passport in favour of freedom of movement.
Each time I return to the UK a little bit of my soul dies. It's certainly not representative of the country I grew up in. I do miss pubs, though.
Another benefit is that by doing Brexit, we've strengthened the EU. In the long run, having a strong, powerful EU as a neighbour can only be a good thing for the UK, especially now that we are weakened by exiting.
Before Brexit, there was also talk of Frexit, Grexit, EverythingXit. That's all dead now and the EU is stronger than ever as a result.
Had I known that would be the outcome I would absolutely have voted for it without a moment's hesitation. Weird that Vote Leave did not tell us about this.
There will always be apologists who say that we just got the wrong sort of Brexit. Just like apologists for any political system that, at least partly, got corrupted by politicians.
But they are wrong. Given the people pushing Leave and the benefits bestowed on the UK by EU membership (and our extraordinary opt outs and vetoes) this was only ever going to go one way. Rule of thumb - don't believe Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage. Ever. Their lies were well documented well before 2016, but people chose to ignore that.
Or, looked at even more top-level, how did anyone think that a post-industrial, service-based economy would derive any benefit from leaving a club of nations at a similar point in their development? One that we share a land border with. It was unfathomable in 2016 and it is unfathomable now if you apply logic.
But it was never about logic or rationality and that is why the comparisons with a religion still stand up. We are where we are - zero benefits and lots of detriments for the masses, more money in the pockets of the few who were already rich enough to invest in the political heist of a lifetime. Again, not unlike organised religion.
MHRA and all other EU regulatory agencies were able to approve the vaccines (and other drugs) independently under existing statute. All countries have control over approvals, should they choose to execute them. UK did. For a UK vaccine with some relatively poor trials. Better trials came later. It wasn’t nothing to do with Brexit.
It’s been a costly unmitigated disaster for us. But Son2 now has dual EASA and CAA pilot licenses and Son1 is in Dublin and will likely achieve nationality after completing his PhD.
So, was it a one-way deal? I mean, they didn't kick us out, so can we get back in?
I'll start the campaign, got nothing better to do.
I thought that was a myth – we were still under the EU regs at the time.
We were,it was, there's an interview of the person behind the rollout that actually explains this.
It has hastened a united Ireland.
I’m not going to die in a ditch over this, but I’m pretty sure that had we still been in the EU, politically we would have had to join the the European procurement/rollout of vaccines irrespective of any opt out that existed in law. People seem to have forgotten that the EU didn’t exactly cover itself with glory over this issue & quite a few countries were actively considering going it alone. (But didn’t because politics) It is a myth that leaving the EU was the only legal way we could have gone it alone on vaccines, but I think in reality it wouldn’t have happened if we were still in Europe.
Wasn’t there a clause in the EU rules stating that in cases of emergency, such as a global pandemic, that individual governments could fast track things such as a vaccine rollout, so in theory it would have been the same even if we were still in the EU?
Benefit counter is back down to 0.
We have well and truly ****ed the country up for decades to come. But hey… Blue Passports!
Where are they printed BTW?
but I’m pretty sure that had we still been in the EU, politically we would have had to join the the European procurement/rollout of vaccines irrespective of any opt out that existed in law.
Counter factually, it may have been the case that had we still been in the EU then our influence in this area may have changed the EU roll out as a whole. We'll never know, and it's somewhat irrelevant to the overall argument, as the Venn diagram of those supporting leave and being anti-vax has a pretty large overlap.
Why didn’t someone think of this 10 years ago?
I do miss pubs, though.
Last time I visited the UK the ones I used to go to had been closed and some even bulldozed. I don't drink anymore so cafe culture and nobody being bothered if I order a hot chocolate or a beer means I still socialise beyond sport.
I've just checked, around 30% fewer pubs since I left the UK and about half the kind of small pubs I used to go to have closed.
On the vaccines front the view from Europe was that the UK was selfishly trying to monopolise vaccine supply and do the dirty on Europe which was producing the very RNA vaccines that enabled Britian to role out first having cut short the validation process.
Edit: one bonus is that on STW Brexit resulted in a hell of a clear out. A small number of Brexiteers still post with an elevated average age but many have left "chat" for good. Maybe Mark can produce some stats, I had a look through the original Brexit thread a while back and was struck by how many remain pseudos are still here and how many leave I haven't seen for along time. Those that have gone were often ****ing irritating in other resects too, three that are still here still are but the others I've forgiven. 😉
People do know that there are EU countries that opted out of different stages of the vaccine rollouts, yes? Being uncooperative and using opt-outs and special clauses within the EU is a thing... "politically" friendly or not... we were one of the prime examples of that for decades.
reeksyFull Member
Why didn’t someone think of this 10 years ago?
I don’t actually believe that this thread would have been the same if it had been suggested 10 years ago. I think it is interesting to re-read the first few pages of the Brexit thread. Enthusiasm for the EU was pretty limited with an awful lot of folks who subsequently became ardent remainers being ambivalent at best about the institution. I’m as anti-Brexit as the next person on here, but it doesn’t hide the fact that the EU is far from perfect & it was much easier back then to identify the problems than the benefits, especially because nobody really believed we’d be stupid enough to vote leave.
kelvinFull Member
People do know that there are EU countries that opted out of different stages of the vaccine rollouts, yes?
Didn’t know that. Which ones and at what stage? Did any of them rollout vaccines faster than we did?
lots of benefits but I guess none of them are for Britain
EU parliament operating more efficiently without Farage and other British MEPs obstructing proceedings
as mentioned above, less immigrants (Gammon in Spain)
also, as mentioned above it has stopped all other talk re leaving the EU. I think there were two bluffs,
a) Cameron didn’t really expect the public to vote to leave, saw the referendum as a way to get the anti EU camp to finally give it a rest.
b) don’t think the British gov really thought the EU would let them leave. Thought the EU would come cap in hand begging them to stay offering some huge reduction in the amount Britain paid annually.
obviously both bluffs back fired massively
main con (for Ireland) is difficulty trading with Britain which would have been main trading partner
folks who subsequently became ardent remainers being ambivalent at best about the institution.
But they clearly stated they'd vote remain.
especially because nobody really believed we’d be stupid enough to vote leave.
I applied for French nationality at the time of the Iraq war because
1/ a strong affinity for where I live and where my son was born. An affinity with the values
2/Blair invaded Iraq despite Dominique de Villepin's prophetic speech at the UN
3/ Blair was talking about a referendum on a treaty and I supected the British public would vote against anything European, I felt uncomfortable living in a place I wasn't a national of.
Before the referendum we tranfered most of our UK assets to Europe, I really believed.
I hoped for a remain vote (I didn't have a vote because I hadn't been Uk resident for 30 years), I was deeply saddened by the leave vote (and a tad annoyed, stupidity always annoys me) but in my heart of hearts I was expecting it.
Increased profits through the reintroduction of EU roaming charges.
The richest in the world per capita
Infrastructure is still very poor and undeveloped though, with a good few 'social issue' especially in Dublin. It's a long way from being the Switzerland of the north that it wants to be.
Ok
especially because nobody ( except edukator) really believed we’d be stupid enough to vote leave.😉
I think that photo of Boris the morning after the result tells it all
main con (for Ireland)
I would argue Ireland is the biggest benefciary of Brexit. It now has the highest per capita GDP in the world, all it needs to do is sort out its internal politics so that all the Irish benefit.
Edit; crossed posts with you, Caher. I agree, you can make similar comparisons with Norway or Luxemburg. The wealth is there and there's the potential for the Irish state to more fairly redistribute it, it's up to them.
Switzerland has its own issues, half a million Swiss live elsewhere in Europe with many being frontaliers. Poor Swiss can't afford to live in Switzerland. I used to work for a Swiss company, one of the management, a Swiss working in France, knew he'd never be rich enough to return to Switzerland.
I thought that @crosshair was being ironic but re-reading his post I'm not so sure.
@crosshair are you really (still) supporting Brexit? If so please enlighten us as to why? I don't often get the chance to get the view from the other side so it'd be great to hear your views.
Switzerland has its own issues
I Know, i lived there for 5 years and was glad to leave in the end but i'll live abroad again just not somewhere so up tight.
Just in my industry , aviation. European licensed pilots are allowed to fly for uk airlines. Uk licensed pilots can’t fly for European ones. All signed off and agreed by UK gov/CAA. Thanks a lot 😣
Not only has my retirement dream of sailing the med for 2 years been made nigh impossible, but travel/education/work opportunities overseas for my children have disappeared too.
I used to be a proud Brit, now I’m an embarrassed one. I’d move in a heartbeat if I still could.
Schadenfreude as all the racist pensioners with homes in Spain have discovered all too late that “send them back where they came from” also applies to them.
Just for balance (we are obliged to give balanced coverage these days aren't we?) my non-racist remainer pensioner sister and brother in law who live in Spain are as pissed off as most (if not more) as they can now only spend half the year there.
Did any of them rollout vaccines faster than we did?
Depends on the question.
- Did any start their rollouts before we did?
NO
- Did any achieve high levels of vaccine coverage before we did?
YES
Most of the reluctance to participate, especially in later stages, were to do with costs not time though, IIRC. I don't think any gained time advantages in the way that we claim to have done, if anything they lagged behind by not participating.
Brexit benefits – lets start a list
...keeps STW in business - the page clicks generated must be bleedin' huge!!
If Labour get in and we re-engage with the EU then STW is going down! 🙂
The potential future benefits are pretty obvious for anyone with an open mind but I doubt anyone on this thread is ready to consider them. Admittedly this requires a different government which is willing to break the consensus on austerity based economics but the potential benefits are real and massively transformative.
PS. Today it has been announced that basic wage growth is at a record high. Now I'm not saying it's down to not being in the EU, but it's a question that needs answering. It's probably a factor, but how much of a factor is debatable.
Edit: Another real one is that there is now a growing realisation in this country that our problems are not to do with the EU but down to our own government who act in the interests of a small elite at the expense of the rest of the country. It was always too easy for the tories (and some labour people) to blame EU membership for low wages, lack of investment, inability of the govt to support industry/the economy etc. Now it's pretty obvious to anyone who cares to look that all these things are a result of our own government and the policies it implements, and from that there is the potential for change. You can't solve a problem until you identify what it is.
I got flashed by a speed camera on my drive through France and never so much as received a letter which google suggests is a result of brexit, so a small personal win there to offset against the ruined retirement plans, and general hassle of travelling in Europe now
1/ Brexit has given a huge amount of new material to comedians.
2/ You would hope that people will now think more if offered a public vote.*
3/ Once we hit rock bottom our new masters will make sure everything improves.
* Available soon 'Remember Brexit' badges
😆 🤣
The potential future benefits are pretty obvious for anyone with an open mind but I doubt anyone on this thread is ready to consider them.
Go on... we're all ears...
Today it has been announced that basic wage growth is at a record high.
And real terms wages are doing what exactly...?
High inflation outpacing wage growth
While wages are currently growing at a relatively fast pace, high inflation is currently cancelling this growth out, leading to the negative growth in real terms throughout 2022 and early 2023. Although it is likely that UK inflation peaked in October 2022, at 11.1 percent it has yet to fall below double figures as of March 2023. Forecasts from the Spring 2023 budget predict that the annual UK inflation will average out at 6.1 percent in 2023, before falling to 0.9 percent in 2024. Falling wages is just one of the aspects of the current Cost of Living Crisis, which has led to the steepest fall in living standards in a generation
https://www.statista.com/statistics/933075/wage-growth-in-the-uk/
The potential future benefits are pretty obvious
potential doing a lot of work there, the reality is that any benefits we have seen have been offset by the costs incurred, how many years will it take to reverse the damage of brexit before we can even think about net benefits
Today it has been announced that basic wage growth is at a record high. Now I’m not saying it’s down to not being in the EU
seeing as its still a pay cut and brexit has certainly helped increase inflation and as ever its the poorest thats hit the hardest
I've played this game with my gammony racist uncle a few times and even he can't come up with any credible benefit. He thought he had me on Blue Passports but I pointed out that A: the colour has no bearing on its status as a legal document and B: we were able to choose the colour anyway when we were in the EU, we only changed to burgundy so as to signify out new status as an inclusive nation. The fact that the new ones are made abroad made his brain implode and he went off on a massive incoherent rant for a few minutes 🤣
The only (and this is really clutching at straws here) benefit I can come up with is that we can revert back to the old style number plates we had pre-2000 with wider letters. This is only a benefit to me as it means I can get a pair of legal new ones made up for my Mini rather than having to get some 'show plates' made up, which I have done and they're sat on my parents kitchen roof to age them a bit so they don't look too new. It's never going to happen though as it makes no difference to anyone and I don't think the older plates will work for a lot of reg numbers with any country identification marks as they would have to be longer and not fit on lots of people's German Panzerwagons (SUV's).
Counter that against the cost Brexit had cost me in £ that I can calculate (bought a Canyon after they hiked the prices, the parts I couldn't buy from Germany and the nosedive in the pound) that is easily over £2k and I'd rather have what we had before and run 'new' plates on my classic toy.
It is then maintained by making life even harder for those outside this privilege group, and once you’re in it you’ll do ANYTHING not to drop out. Go live & work in the USA for a while, this is our destination – just don’t be poor (or unlucky)…
Ah, that's me properly ****ed then ☹️
PS. Today it has been announced that basic wage growth is at a record high. Now I’m not saying it’s down to not being in the EU, but it’s a question that needs answering. It’s probably a factor, but how much of a factor is debatable.
But when you take into account inflation we are markedly poorer. The wage growth is fuelled by inflationary pressures, not a good thing at all.
I get a lot of pleasure from those who after 7 years are still crying "WAHH everyone who voted for Brexit is a racist."
Perhaps the remain side should have made a stronger case at the time?
None.
There should be a separate queue for the people who voted for Brexit at the borders.
I feel sorry for the school leavers who can’t spend a summer/winter working on a campsite, bar, ski resort etc.
The only potential “advantage” maybe that Scottish people who see how badly the divorce from the EU has gone may reconsider how they vote in terms of independence.
Please someone convince me that Brexit has been a good idea? My wife works in the NHS, the extra £350 million a week seems to be missing!