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I’ll most likely kill it in the morning.
@Cougar you're starting to sound like the Dread Pirate Roberts.
I've never seen both of them in the same room at the same time, makes you think...
And the doubling down on the trolling/winding up in repsonse. You are nothing if not predictable @mooman
https://www.migranthelpuk.org/ for me I think.
But as my contact with real live money is pretty minimal so my donation will be piffling I pledge to add another 9 non brexity 50 pences to the tainted one for every one I get my hands on until 31st Jan 2021.
I wont waste my time, and certainly dont see the benefit, giving my own rational when it is only being demanded here to fuel some rabid remainers argument.
There's no shame in not being able to. No other 'rabid' leavers can either.
I wont waste my time, and certainly dont see the benefit,
Engaging in discussion and putting your point across, something you've previously complained that you cannot do because of all those nasty leavers, is a pointless waste of time. Yet popping up every six posts to add little other than calling everybody names is a valuable application of your time and highly beneficial?
Over on the "loony thread" there's been talk of leavers going quiet as they've been "frightened off" by the nasty remoaners. I rather think they've gone quiet because they've run out of things to say. The first half of that thread was full of leavers disseminating misinformation, half-truths and outright lies, followed by remainers pointing this out (with supporting evidence). Once they realised that it was not in fact an echo chamber and they couldn't get away with it they gave up.
And I rather suspect, my dear fellow, that that is why you're reluctant to answer the question. Deep down you know that any arguments you could come up with are built on sand and you'd rather sit there safe in your own beliefs than have that pointed out to you. For years we've been asking what those "brexit benefits" are and not one person has managed to come up with any. Which, y'know, is a shame if they want us to "get behind them" as some reasoned arguments might actually convince us to do that. I'd change allegiances in a heartbeat if I genuinely believed we'd be better off.
you’re starting to sound like the Dread Pirate Roberts.
Thanks for noticing. That was intentional. (-:
^^^^
Pretty much sums it up.
cougar
Over on the “loony thread” there’s been talk of leavers going quiet as they’ve been “frightened off”
No doubt as a result of Dannyh having a #rejoin message on Facebook locked and loaded!!
Active refusal to debate, trolling for sure. Nice stealth edit, don't know why you've changed it to single out DannyH.
don’t know why you’ve changed it to single out DannyH
Probably because I have been pushing hardest for some substance behind the posts.
But I know I'm not going to get any any mooman knows he hasn't got any.
So, meh, basically.
Best suggestion I’ve seen so far is donate them to a refugee charity.
Reminds me of that joke about a Barry Manilow "Concert for Ethiopia(*)". The Ethiopians called back - "we're not that hungry"
(*) insert topical famine reference
No doubt as a result of Dannyh having a #rejoin message on Facebook locked and loaded!!
Yes, i can see how that might be more terrifying than providing a coherent and rational answer to a question.
I'm disappointed by this thread.
I came here to find out the stw position on the debate that's split the nation and turned friends into enemies.
"Peace, prosperity and friendship with all nations." Okay, colours to the mast: it needs an Oxford comma.
mooman
irrational beliefs, and exacerbating their already fragile MH
So after politely asking you not to make the link between mental health and political views and explaining why it is not acceptable in this age, you still do it. In fact in your very first post after my comment.
Classy.
Carry on the personal attacks my friend. It says far more about your mindset than mine.
Can I lift the mood back to frivolous stupidly?
How about, if one had two of those Brexy 50p coins, one might download Ode to Joy to get it to Brexit number one?
Essentially stupid, but fun.
I have a livret de famille and marriage and kids UK birth certificate all registered at the French consulate.
An English family who lives in town just had a letter from the prefecture asking them to sign up for residency.
I'm less concerned by an Oxford Comma than the Eton Mess being commemorated 🙂
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-51269012
cougar
Over on the “loony thread” there’s been talk of leavers going quiet as they’ve been “frightened off”
"... "frightened off"" Really? 🤣
As one of my friend told me he looked at the referendum and the GE results than sat back to savour every response in the media etc one by one repeatedly. 😂
igm - very good!
As it happens I think I prefer Ode to Joy to the national anthem - traitorous dog that I am... 🙂
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don’t know why you’ve changed it to single out DannyH.
it was dannyh who stated he had his " #rejoin message on Facebook locked and loaded " on the Loony Thread.
poopscoop - chill fella - there have been no personal attacks on or aimed at yourself. If it helps why not write down the things that confirm and deny your beliefs. You could then work on identifying your negative or inaccurate thinking in regards to these and the personal attack you perceive being aimed at you.
“… “frightened off”” Really? 🤣
Not what I'm asserting (in fact quite the opposite), I'm just repeating what's been said.
As one of my friend told me he looked at the referendum and the GE results than sat back to savour every response in the media etc one by one repeatedly. 😂
Doesn't surprise me in the slightest. It's all a big game for some.
it was dannyh who stated he had his ” #rejoin message on Facebook locked and loaded ” on the Loony Thread.
Yep, I did say that on the Sensible Thread.
You betcha I am a rejoiner, in the absence of any convincing, rational argument to the contrary how could I be anything else?
That’s logic, is that.
Talking of which, mooman, is there actually any danger of you having a go at explaining the logic of your support for Brexit? The floor is still open, no debate has been shut down. There is literally nothing stopping you.
Three and a half years and you can always get to this point with that most basic of questions - “why?”
Bit sad really.
mooman
poopscoop – chill fella – there have been no personal attacks on or aimed at yourself. If it helps why not write down the things that confirm and deny your beliefs. You could then work on identifying your negative or inaccurate thinking in regards to these and the personal attack you perceive being aimed at you.
Thanks for the advice but I'm perfectly "chilled" thank you. I'm guessing you mean "pull yourself together" in reality, you know because of my "fragile MH" and all?
As for writing down my "beliefs" in order to correct the error of my ways? Your continued linking of political leanings and mental health is obviously in my imagination you mean? You're aware depression isn't linked to irrational thought processes right?
My goodness, can you be anymore patronising?
Like I said though, carry on mooman.
Not what I’m asserting (in fact quite the opposite), I’m just repeating what’s been said.
I think they got bored then move on ... it's already old news or history hence not much response. I occasionally drop by the thread but it is soooo boring so just move on.
Doesn’t surprise me in the slightest. It’s all a big game for some.
Yes, for some but I think he (my friend) really dislikes the EU with passion for whatever reasons ...
It's true only the trolls are left now
Leavers got bored of being pwnd on the 'loony thread'
No wonder the world is laughing at the UK !
I certainly don't agree with personal attacks, although in the heat of the moment they do happen. Something I've done myself and then regreted.
But a link to Brexit anxiety and mental health shouldn't be a taboo subject. It is real and should be discussed. There's loads of stuff out there about it. A quote ans the article it was taken from."
“I think that people who already suffer and are being treated for generalised anxiety disorder or depression find that politics or societal problems worsen their mood and worsen their symptoms.
It’s true only the trolls are left now
Not everyone is a troll because they don't want or can't be asked to response.
Leavers got bored of being pwnd on the ‘loony thread’
I think many might disagree but nevermind.
No wonder the world is laughing at the UK !
Two groups of people that laugh at UK.
1. First group - the ones that want to see the break up of EU and UK. They laugh at the disunity.
2. Second group - The ones that consider UK silly as a country to let another system impose on their own. They laugh because they think UK is incapable of governance.
It’s true only the trolls are left now
Leavers got bored of being pwnd on the ‘loony thread’
No wonder the world is laughing at the UK !
Yet another delicious irony of Brexit - lots of it was down to misplaced, chest thumping nationalism yet all it has brought in an international sense has been richly deserved ridicule.
Apart from Big Ol’ Orange Uncle Don, of course. But the ‘special relationship’ is about to get a lot more ‘special’. Or at least that is what Uncle Don will be whispering as he lubes up.
Even by you standards chewkw, that is a classic.
But a link to Brexit anxiety and mental health shouldn’t be a taboo subject. It is real and should be discussed.
It's not taboo, and it should be discussed - however, note that mooman wasn't discussing mental health, he was using it as an insult.
Finally, there seems to be one benefit from leaving the EU - we won’t be adopting the appalling Copyright laws that the EU are introducing. The irony there is that the U.K. government were all for it and voted for it.
https://thenextweb.com/uk/2020/01/27/brexit-saves-uk-from-the-terrible-eu-copyright-laws-it-helped-create/
Terrible, unless you’re a photographer or writer who might stop being screwed that is.
brexit-saves-uk-from-the-terrible-eu-copyright-laws-it-helped-create/
If only there could have been some other way we could have avoided such a terrible disaster other than via brexit. Like, maybe, not actually voting in favour of it in the first place.
Roll on Friday, we'll finally be free of all those foreign laws that we asked for in the first place. **** me sideways.
Plus, y'know, the government has been pursuing the Chinese model of the Internet for years. When we leave we can happily toss out EU legislation and introduce something worse in a heartbeat without further checks and balances. This is an administration which wanted to ban secure encryption and thought that an "IP address" referred to intellectual property.
Also, lest we forget, there's the Investigatory Powers Act which made your Internet history available to:
Metropolitan Police Service
City of London Police
Police forces maintained under section 2 of the Police Act 1996
Police Service of Scotland
Police Service of Northern Ireland
British Transport Police
Ministry of Defence Police
Royal Navy Police
Royal Military Police
Royal Air Force Police
Security Service
Secret Intelligence Service
GCHQ
Ministry of Defence
Department of Health
Home Office
Ministry of Justice
National Crime Agency
HM Revenue & Customs
Department for Transport
Department for Work and Pensions
NHS trusts and foundation trusts in England that provide ambulance services
Common Services Agency for the Scottish Health Service
Competition and Markets Authority
Criminal Cases Review Commission
Department for Communities in Northern Ireland
Department for the Economy in Northern Ireland
Department of Justice in Northern Ireland
Financial Conduct Authority
Fire and rescue authorities under the Fire and Rescue Services Act 2004
Food Standards Agency
Food Standards Scotland
Gambling Commission
Gangmasters and Labour Abuse Authority
Health and Safety Executive
Independent Police Complaints Commissioner
Information Commissioner
NHS Business Services Authority
Northern Ireland Ambulance Service Health and Social Care Trust
Northern Ireland Fire and Rescue Service Board
Northern Ireland Health and Social Care Regional Business Services Organisation
Office of Communications
Office of the Police Ombudsman for Northern Ireland
Police Investigations and Review Commissioner
Scottish Ambulance Service Board
Scottish Criminal Cases Review Commission
Serious Fraud Office
Welsh Ambulance Services National Health Service Trust
So yeah. We're totally in safe hands outside of the EU.
Ha! They’re all welcome to my internet history. Let’s see how often they like having their privacy valued and how often they can cope with having to log back in.
I'm amazed you've never mentioned it before and have never used the rest of the Internet.
In seriousness, one of the few small positives I can see to brexit is doing away with the "this site uses cookies" bollocks. Every site uses cookies, it's not 1998 any more.
Of course all sites use cookies. That misses the point Cougar. It is what those cookies are used for that means consent is sometimes required, eg for tracking by third parties who the visitor otherwise would not expect to be passing data to just by dint of loading your webpage.
Other than Amazon, bike sellers, the Far Side and Screen Rant this is it for me and the Internet.
Completely with you on the cookies thing.
I would close this thread now as it has diluted the Sensible Thread and wandered off topic in any case.
All of the "so, what are the benefits of Brexit as you see them?" questions and subsequent non-answers should remain in one handy location for all to see.
The real life equivalent of asking for thread to be closed is
“I’m not interested in this conversation so I’m leaving, but after I’m gone can someone please force everyone else to stop talking about this too?”
STW seems very much (especially with the regular posters) to be a place with a higher number of individuals who voted Remain and individuals with mental health issues. There have been numerous threads where individuals identify themselves as requiring medication for depression, anxiety etc to confirm this. So is there a correlation between the two?
This Study looks at a similar link - which some may find interesting.
is there a correlation between the two?
Or as an alternative, perhaps remain voters are generally more in touch with their emotional selves and less prone to delusion? After all, just because you don't think you have a mental illness, that does not make it so.
Is this the modern equivalent of calling someone a "Joey"?
.. you sound paranoid Koldun!
What do you think those studies showed Mooman?
If this forum has been a place where people can share their experience of mental illness, especially if they have found that has helped them, and even more of it helps others, that can only be a good thing. Some of the most valuable contributions to this forum take that form. Some of the least valuable contributions come from, well… mud slingers like you.
Is this the modern equivalent of calling someone a “Joey”?
Yes. 🙁
Mooman, as the first study points out in its conclusion
Conclusion Our results are open to different interpretations and should be treated with caution.
Has it been peer reviewed?
the second link is an individual case, could/should it be extrapolated?
Considering 1/6th of the population experience mental health issues, then the number of posts in this place are way below average
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-41125009
The biggest correlation between how people voted and their backgrounds was education level
By moomams logic that means all leavers must be considerably thicker than remain voters....
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2016/06/27/how-britain-voted
Did you read those articles mooman or just post them after you thought you found headlines that confirmed your position?
Did you read those articles mooman or just post them after you thought you found headlines that confirmed your position?
Don't rush him. He still needs to provide some specifics around the positives of Brexit as he sees them.
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The biggest correlation between how people voted and their backgrounds was education level
Of course you as a Remainer would try and push that forward 😂
But inequality and polarisation of income is identified as the biggest predictor of MH problems.
If people here want to assume I am being critical of those with MH problems then so be it - but I have merely pointed out the irrational thoughts individuals have regarding Brexit - and how this can exacerbate their MH issues further.
but I have merely pointed out the irrational thoughts individuals have regarding Brexit – and how this can exacerbate their MH issues further.
Your use of the word 'merely' is highly amusing. As well as being totally and transparently disingenuous.
but I have merely pointed out the irrational thoughts individuals have regarding Brexit
The entirety of Brexit is irrational
You yourself are unable/too scared* to justify it!
*I believe that fear/cowardice a bigger factor than stupidity in driving leave vote
But inequality and polarisation of income is identified as the biggest predictor of MH problems.
Source?
but I have merely pointed out the irrational thoughts individuals have regarding Brexit
Whereas leave is completely grounded in rationality and, well, reality.
https://blogs.ec.europa.eu/ECintheUK/euromyths-a-z-index/
Everything on this page is a lie which has been presented to the public as fact over the years. It's not hard to see why people might think that leaving is a good idea. But rationally? Do me a quaver, you've been played for fools.
I genuinely hope that sooner or later people will realise that they've been manipulated, and that they get really angry about it. Over in That Thread they're asking about brexit positives, there's one right here. We might see some actual positive change when people stop believing everything they read of the front page of the gutter press and redirect their ire at the people in Westminster who are actually responsible for all their ills.
That Thread
I like to call it the Sensible Thread.
We might see some actual positive change when people stop believing everything they read of the front page of the gutter press
A difficult one to predict. One thing the gutter press is very very good at is replaying a certain section of society's prejudices and prurience back to them dressed up as 'fact'.
It is the very base reason why we are embroiled in this shitshow.
And we used to worry about this stuff in the context of Eastern Bloc brainwashing a la The Ipcress File etc.
The delicious irony of it being done far more successfully here is a bitter one too.
@Cougar you're having a laugh. This will never be the fault of the Leavers; they will always find someone to scapegoat, their propaganda machine is too good for them to accept any blame.
And as a consequence your opinions and views on Brexit are not of any value; they are simply ignorant and irrational as you identify yourself to be.
You don’t get to say who’s opinion has value, especially if you don’t give your own. Thought we’d covered this, change the record.
You don’t get to say who’s opinion has value, especially if you don’t give your own. Thought we’d covered this, change the record.
Yes but it is lots of fun trying to get an explanation.
And as a consequence your opinions and views on Brexit are not of any value; they are simply ignorant and irrational as you identify yourself to be.
I have the testicular fortitude to justify mine, which surely makes them more valuable than those of someone who doesnt ?