[Closed] Brexit 2.0

Well they have managed to split the nation to achieve their goal but the likes of the devolved nations that did not want brexit are going to give them a huge problem since dividing the UK they have (to an extent) joined a lot of people together in Scotland and NI ,I also see Gove has started wearing a tartan face covering maybe to show he is one of us but for me personally I have absolutely no time for anything that comes out of this present governments mouth (and it is not just a tory thing it is the fact Johnson purged the party of anyone with any shred of decency) I do not know how he will sell and join England as if I lived there and was worse off (which I suspect many will be) I would still be massively pi$$3d off at anyone that voted for it. Personally I do not think history will be kind to brexit.

Now that they’ve ‘got Brexit done’ they’ve got to deliver on this mythical ‘Levelling Up’ agenda. All I’ve seen so far is this Tory administration treating the north exactly the same as every one of their predecessors. The way we’ve been treated throughout Covid is just more of the same. London and the South East being priority, nobody else seems to matter

Reportedly, the new Tory ‘Red Wall’ MPs (who are all rabid Brexiteers) are not happy as they’re getting (rightfully) battered by their new constituents and all the latest polling shows that if there were an election tomorrow all but a handfull of seats would return to Labour

I didn’t believe for a second that Boris and chums give a flying **** about the north, I still don’t, and everything they’ve done over the last year proves that.

I notice that in all the faux victorious horse-shit we’ve seen that ‘Levelling Up’ is once again being conspicuously mentioned. I’m sure it’ll amount to nothing more than a soundbite

I know it the grand scheme it isn't important, the seed potato fiasco is just another own goal by this tory regime. By ignoring Scotland again they have just given more amunition to the SNP. If the union is to survive the Tory party needs to change tack immediately. I don't believe they can.

Having split off NI, Gibraltar, and playing into the SNP hands, the future is going to be turbulent.

"We" spent the 70s blaming the Irish and black people. Then it was all obviously the fault of the euro mainlanders.
I guess it will all be the fault of the scots from now on.

I think the free market approach of the Tories including the ERG will do nothing tactical or remotely strategic in respect to the post brexit UK. I think they think the job is done...

The ideological battle has been won, i dont think there has been any thought about the actual economic or social implications whatsoever.

Historically (think Thatcher North Sea Oil, Financial Markets, Council Housing) porential cash cows have all been expolited. There is no more low hanging fruit.

There has been much discussion on here about deregulation (Singapore on Thames) but the fiscal opportunities around this are in fact quite limited.

In short there are few ways of making a step change ecomonically and virtually no opportunity for a poorly educated workforce.

Finally we have a government that has absolutely no capability to define, fund and enable the limited opportunities that exist. Please note i am a labour voter atheart but i doubt we have any significant skills within our political elite to make these changes. After all the economic concerns if the UK have not had any real political input since Gordon Brown sold our Gold.

I cant see anything but status quo at best for many many years.

My worry is that any failures will be blamed on Covid-19 but I hope that economists can unravel true economic progress/failure linked to Brexit. I am quite interested in who stands to benefit - Rees-Mogg, Farage and Fox etc should be scrutinised quite closely.
I had this debate today with the Leaver contingent on our bike ride this morning and none of them did not realise that the service industry has been ignored.

The service industry will have to focus on other markets... markets that are by and large well served already.

The fact that they’re endlessly banged on about fish but haven’t given a thought to the service industry tells you everything you need to know about the (total absence of) economic knowledge and experience at the heart of government.

****ing clueless!

It'll be just endless culture war fascism. Like binning Erasmus (which we all know is just a boondoggle for the namby-pamby elites) and reintroducing the death penalty. Anything that will get thick bigots out and voting. It's a lot easier than competent government.

(This might belong in the Scot IndyRef thread, but if there turns out to be any truth in the rumour that Patel has asked the Civil Service to scope a policy paper on the return of the death penalty, I'd be voting yes to leave the UK.)

Q: How many new Brexit threads do we need?
A: None, the old one was good enough for my dad.

I’ll try to make this the last post I ever write on Brexit because it doesn’t go me any good to dwell on it.

I think the deal we’ve got is probably the best deal we could have hoped for after the last General Election, voters gave the Tories such a mandate/majority.

Ultimately though we’ve ended up with a deal the EU said couldn’t be made, free trade without freedom of movement.

The sad truth is it’s done (for now). It’ll cost us 5% GDP over the next 5/10/15 years depending who you ask, but even Gove is talking about a ‘special relationship’ with the EU, I suspect now we’ve appeased the ****wits and the shady ****ers who wanted it for financial gain we’ll spend the next 10 years negotiating our way to a closer relationship with the EU and it’s probably the best way to improve our economy, it’ll take a generational change before we consider freedom of movement again.

Assuming the COVID crisis is resolved enough to allow it, travelling to the EU next year is going to be more of a ball ache then before, but by 2022 it’ll be more routine, we might see roaming charges come back, we might not.

I don’t think there’s anything to be gained by gloating about how everything would be better if we were still in the EU, it’s over (for now)

Q: How many new Brexit threads do we need?
A: None, the old one was good enough for my dad.

The erosion of rights will start under the guise of Covid recovery - anyone fighting to protect them will just be branded a remoaner who never accepted the will of the people. I just can't see the ERG and their ilk stepping away from finger pointing and shouting about not accepting the brave new world.

Patel has asked the Civil Service to scope a policy paper on the return of the death penalty

excellent! can I propose a shortlist of the first people to be put through that system?

A rubber sheet? What like a trampoline so we could bounce back into the EU?

I suppose. But I don’t think we’ll be quite ready to rejoin for 12-18 months and the French might take more convincing. Germans might play.

The Brexiteers don't give a shit about much but money and they make that from financial services do de-regulate that bejesus out of them.

Keep the dumb cattle, sorry British public, happy with cheap food by removing any quality control.

The rich get richer, the rest die fat but then who gives a shit about the poor or needy?

For now, and by that I mean 10+ years we are out. The best that anyone can hope for is to move the relationship to something akin to Switzerland or Norway.

The UK needs to reform itself, but with the idiots in charge and the useful idiots who vote I don't see any change coming soon. Life is going to get worse, but there won't be one day where it goes from good to bad, it will simply be a slow degeneration, much like the years before joining the EEC.

Personally, I'll monitor pension provisions/healthcare.For now I have a job but if that changes, I may just say f*** it and make use of that Irish passport.

Generations to come are going to study this period of political history (2015-2020) with the ascension of Right Wing Populism, Trump, Johnson, Farage etc, their ability to weaponise "Alternative Facts" and confirmation bias, and their renunciation of the truth. Comparisons will be drawn with Orwell's fiction, GCSE students will write essays on the pro's and con's of Brexit and the vested interests of those who influenced the referendum.

We have lived through a very real political cultural phenomenon, maybe not quite up there with the rise of Nazi Germany, but certainly in the ballpark. The only consolation right now is that America has publicly rejected Trump and by a decent margin too, I don't for one minute think Biden is the man to fix all of the worlds ills, but hopefully he becomes the catalyst that starts the reaction against the Right Wing Populist movement.

It's happened now. I'm angry... My anger isn't going to go anywhere any time soon, but hopefully it will start to be replaced by hope for a better future. At some point in the next few years (probably still with a Tory government as they'll soon realise they can't deliver what they promised, but will dress it up as something else in an effort not to lose face) our Freedom of movement will begin to return. As much as possible will be thrown under the "COVID" excuse banner which will probably mean that the main proponents of Brexit will never get truly held to task over their false promises during their lifetimes (COVID has been the opportunist gift that keeps on giving for this current government! A literal "Get out of Jail Free" card for all those involved), but 2 generations from now, people will look at their predecessors and ask "what the hell happened to allow the rise of right wing populism" in much the same way that we look at Germany in the 1930's now.

Anyway... The sooner we can make Orwell fiction again, the better! Here's to a tough decade or three undoing all of the damage that has been done so far, the sooner we start, the sooner we will get over it!