[Closed] BRENDEN RODGERS....

As a Liverpool fan, I don't think it's such a bad appointment. A bold move certainly but if he gets them playing attractive football that will be a good start. I do wonder if he'll get a decent chance though.

It's a much more forward-thinking step than getting Rafa back like many fans have been calling for.

[i]It's a much more forward-thinking step than getting Rafa back like many fans have been calling for.[/i] +1

Every team needs to rebuild at some point. The problem is sometimes the fans , and even the club, don't realise it. Liverpool have now, and have made a start.
Kenny was a bit of an emotional distraction from the longer term plan that FSG came in with. However, he did buy them some time to really analyse their options in appointing the young, hungry manager they wanted. this is definitely no "panic buy" but a reversion to the plan A. I don't think Buck would have been on the list 18 months ago, but he looks ideal now.
Liverpool have got a good young manager and a trophy out of the last season. Both are things that united (and probably Arsenal and Spurs) need out of next season.

Everybody talks about United like it's a ticking bomb, but they seem to be doing just fine, albeit, they've just had a trophyless season where they looked second rate compared to a few European sides.

only buying young players, no midfielder again this season and probably priced out of a marque signing {hazard for example]
to much of the Man U profit goe son servicing the debt and it wont end anytime soon so we will start going backwards [ if we have not actually started- we will probably stay top 4 but will be more like Arsenal than Man U

Dont think it will end well myself unless they sell to some Billionairre.

Not sure on Rodgers its a gamble but worth it IMHO

Still, I suppose it could be worse, one could be a Villa fan and be calling one's club a sleeping giant all the time.

*saucer of milk for mr dd*

but you know i'm right.

but you know i'm right, your own post even reflects it.

No, you're not "right"...nor am I. We are merely offering opinions...mine isn't tainted by a dislike of the club though. 😉

Barca hunt in packs when they lose the ball ,when they get it back they travel closely in 3's and 4's , as for charlie adam loves to play the non penetrating long ball, very average imho

barca also have 11 world class players on the pitch which helps [ not a dig at liverpool] but the Barca/Spain method works as much due to the talent employed as to the system.

weeksy - Member

TBH i like Charlie Adam. He has 1 thing that people like Henderson/Downing are completely lacking... a true footballing brain.
Whilst Charie had a crap time of it last season, he can SEE passes, and see play in a way that only Gerrard can see and have the vision to implement. Look at Gerrards passes to Torres in the past, very few players SEE them runs/moves, let alone can pull them off. However, Charlie Adam is one of them people. But for whatever reason, it didn't quite come off for him last year. He then hit a form slump, as did the team, then was injured. I have big dreams for Charlie... i hope he proves me right.

Are you mental? Charlie Adam? he gives the ball away ALL the time, Whats does Rodgers like?? Keeping the ball!!!

11 world class players on the pitch

and another eleven in the reserves 😆

I like the way he has point blank refused a director of football , shows he knows his own style

I think he could do a good job, but he won't be allowed as moronic/deluded fans like the OP won't give him a chance.

he will be given a chance by the majority

Are you mental? Charlie Adam? he gives the ball away ALL the time, Whats does Rodgers like?? Keeping the ball!!!

As with most walks of life, some people see different things... i see greatness in Adam... (potentially)... I also thing Rodgers could be the one to unleash that.

[b]When you walk through a storm
Hold your head up high
And don't be afraid of the dark

At the end of the storm
Is a golden sky
And the sweet silver song of the lark[/b]

I'm sure I can hear the faintest glimmers of birdsong...

I think he could do a good job, but he won't be allowed as moronic/deluded fans like the OP won't give him a chance.

The irony of your post has probably sailed over your head.

I think it has. What Mr 3DD?

he will be given a chance by the majority

seriously, this is nothing to do with my opinion being

tainted by a dislike of the club

this is about liverpool fans being deluded if

a) they think that at present they are anything other than a mid table club - 37 points from the top, 16 points from relegation
b) they don't realise that as a result, they are supremely fortunate to still be able to attract a manager with the potential of rodgers
c) they think that somehow they could have got someone 'better'

[url= http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/9270956/Dalglish-sacked-as-Liverpool-manager-fans-express-mixed-feelings-over-King-Kennys-departure.html# ]i mean, all that guff about mourinho ????????[/url]

sweet baby jesus, he was really going to leave madrid for liverpool wasn't he ? that's exactly the delusion i'm on about.

i reckon pep left barcelona for b6 though 😆

Did you actually read any of the posts on the thread from LFC fans or just make shit up as you went along ?

OP

So it's just been announced that Brenden Rodgers has agreed to be our manager.

I am now utterly devastated, our club is now deservedly a laughing stock and I am preparing for a season of massive disappointment...

case closed

are anything other than a mid table club

You might be forgetting the minor matters of almost unparalleled footballing success and history, a huge loyal fanbase and the best atmosphere of any ground in the country. These aren't the norm for "a mid table club" and our time will come again.

everyones time will come if we wait long enough

everyones time will come if we wait long enough

No it won't. Unfortunately many teams will forever be excluded from a run of continued success without a rich foreign benefactor and even that won't sustain itself.

You might be forgetting the minor matters of almost unparalleled footballing success and history...........

holy shit you just don't get it do you ? it's gone. you're deluded if you think any other way and you'll have little chance of it returning until you realise that and rebuild.

the best atmosphere of any ground in the country

😆 😆 🙄

more delusion, silent till they score in my experience as an away fan.

silent till they score in my experience as an away fan.

Which to be fair, is bollocks tm.

Jeez, I know you don't like them, but to allow it to cloud your judgement so much as to say something this silly?

you'll have little chance of it returning until you realise that and rebuild

What do you think I'm referring to when I say "our time will come again"? Of course we have to rebuild, and maybe that's happening now.

my experience as an away fan

So come on then, which is the best? And don't say Old Trafford, cause it ain't.

excellent all the tribal rivalries are out now

So come on then, which is the best? And don't say Old Trafford, cause it ain't.

Amazingly, it's SWANSEA !!!!!

By FAR the best home support i've heard in the last 3 years. Last game of the season they were just exceptional.

Which to be fair, is bollocks tm.

not in my experience dd. don't let the memories of the odd uefa cup game against st etienne let you think that anfield is some atmospheric super stadium cos i can guarantee you that when it comes to an average league game in the middle of november, anfield is nothing special.

So come on then, which is the best? And don't say Old Trafford, cause it ain't

in my experience, the old stretford end era old trafford was far more impressive as an away fan, as was white hart lane, ayresome park, st james's park, goodison park all much more partizan atmospheres. though because it's a derby the hawthorns was always the best atmosphere for me.

to claim that liverpool is the best atmosphere in the prem tells me that you're either a liverpool fan or you haven't sampled too many other arenas.

i'd seen those european games on tv too, and i can tell you, anfield was a bit of a let down in the flesh.

you're either a liverpool fan

Your perspicacity (did my quoting the "You'll Never Walk Alone" lyric provide a cryptic clue, I wonder?) is second only to your blatant hatred of all things LFC. Not that I mind that, I love partisanship, but it drapes the cloud of bitter resentment over all your comments.

Even the Daily Fascist like Anfield...
http://www.****/sport/football/article-1101536/THE-LIST-10-1-atmospheric-stadiums-football.html

I've been to Villa Park, the cradle of football as one deluded fan once called it. Bit of a shithole of a ground tbh. Tell you what though, the opposition fans were excellent. Wycombe Wanderers in the cup semi.

Swansea were applauded off the pitch after a goalless draw at Anfield last season but it is the memory of Chelsea's 2005 Champions League semi-final defeat, when as youth-team manager he watched Liverpool advance on Istanbul through a wall of noise, that enthuses Rodgers about the mammoth task ahead.

"The Chelsea players said they had never experienced support like that night," the Liverpool manager reflected. "That was ultimately what won the game and that is what I want to do here. I want to use the incredible support to make coming to Anfield the longest 90 minutes of an opponent's life. That's the idea. I want to see this great attacking football with creativity and imagination, with relentless pressing of the ball. I know what it's like because I had a team like that at Swansea. When people came to Swansea it was probably the longest 90 minutes of their life. So after 10 minutes when they hadn't had a touch of the ball they are looking at the clock and seeing only 10 minutes had gone. It's a long afternoon."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/jun/01/brendan-rodgers-liverpool

he does say the right things and he does a good conference
what he said should get the fans on side

Yeah, I know it's all just talk at this stage but I was very impressed with what he said.

I agree its just whether he gets the time and whether he fulfils his potential.
I hope he at least gets the time.

trailmonkey - Member
OP

So it's just been announced that Brenden Rodgers has agreed to be our manager.
I am now utterly devastated, our club is now deservedly a laughing stock and I am preparing for a season of massive disappointment...

case closed

No, the op is a bad wool as are you! between you, you represent f'all of true lfc fans feelings

in my experience, the old stretford end era old trafford was far more impressive as an away fan, as was white hart lane, ayresome park, st james's park, goodison park all much more partizan atmospheres. though because it's a derby the hawthorns was always the best atmosphere for me.

o dear, embarissed for you!

Villa Park, the cradle of football as one deluded fan once called it

[i]Every year it is becoming more and more difficult for football clubs of any standing to meet their friendly engagements and even arrange friendly matches. The consequence is that at the last moment, through cup-tie interference, clubs are compelled to take on teams who will not attract the public.
I beg to tender the following suggestion as a means of getting over the difficulty: that ten or twelve of the most prominent clubs in England combine to arrange home-and-away fixtures each season, the said fixtures to be arranged at a friendly conference about the same time as the International Conference.
This combination might be known as the Association Football Union, and could be managed by representative from each club. Of course, this is in no way to interfere with the National Association; even the suggested matches might be played under cup-tie rules. However, this is a detail.
My object in writing to you at present is merely to draw your attention to the subject, and to suggest a friendly conference to discuss the matter more fully. I would take it as a favour if you would kindly think the matter over, and make whatever suggestions you deem necessary. I am only writing to the following – Blackburn Rovers, Bolton Wanderers, Preston North End, West Bromwich Albion, and Aston Villa, and would like to hear what other clubs you would suggest.
I am, yours very truly, William McGregor (Aston Villa F.C.) 2 March 1888.
[/i]

Not delusion, a reasonable statement to make given the historical record.

Delusion would be to imagine that we're still the force we were in 1890 or for others to imagine that they're still the force they were in 1980.

Not delusion, a reasonable statement to make given the historical record

Yes but how beautifully naiive of you allude to the salient history of your club, yet deny that the unmatched history of Liverpool has any bearing on the club they are and will be. Hypocrisy of the most laughable order.

And isn't it telling that the second highest attendance at Villa Park last season was against a poxy "mid-table" club like Liverpool. That says either Liverpool have great fans, or that Villa fans still see something special in Liverpool. But most likely, a bit of both.

I bet you long for 1980 more than we do. As I say, our time will come again. And while I have nothing against Villa and wish them every success, yours is less likely to.

Schricky, why would you call the OP moronic?

Or deluded..... "We" or they are currently a mid table team with aspirations of returning to former glories. Why should signing a very promising manager make them a laughing stock? I seems representative of every scouse fan's attitude I speak to that nothing is good enough for them because of their all encompassing history. I'd say they are in a crisis state and need massive team rebuilding as they only have 3/4 really good players, and one of those only turns up when he wants and another is well past his best and injury prone. Who was Wenger when Arsenal appointed him?

Oh and at least spell his name right...

Why should signing a very promising manager make them a laughing stock?

It shouldn't, and it won't, and the OP will hopefully be glad to eat his words. What Liverpool have is a great foundation coupled with potential and it strikes me that a young, intelligent, ambitious manager is a fairly shrewd bet to put us where we want to be over the coming few years. I don't know much about Rogers, but what I've read over the past two days about his views on the game makes me think he'll be a good long term manager. You could draw parallels with Shankly when he arrived at Anfield, but I suppose the game's changed a lot since then. And I wouldn't want to tempt fate...

He's not plagued by self doubt is he?

I don't know much about Rogers

Not even how to spell his name! I am a tit...

On a plus note for Swansea, part of Rodgers deal includes a clause that no Swansea players can be bought by Liverpool for 12 months.
Not that that will stop loads of other Premiership teams making offers on Sinclair, Dyer and Vorm to name but a few.
I really don't think that Rodgers departure will be Swansea's undoing as they were playing great football under Martinez before he arrived.
The major problem now is that the 'its ok to be on crap wages(compared to the rest of the prem)so long as we are playing beautiful football' argument doesn't standup anymore as he's gone to Liverpool for huge money, so there's no reason why half the squad won't follow suit.

et deny that the unmatched history of Liverpool has any bearing on the club they are and will be.

Liverpool were a great team currently you are superbly well supported poorly performing mid league team capable of a good cup run.
I hope he changes it for you but you cannot live off past glories an your greatness is a distant memory [ Istanbul was a great game , but like Chelsea, you could not really claim to be the best team in Europe when you won.
its like engerland going on about 1966 - only team to only reach one major final - as if you have some sort of international pedigree.

I think he is risky appointment but he may prove to have been a great one only time will tell.

*League - Man U
Fa cup- Man u - you are forth
Charitty sheild - Man u
Euro - { best in englandshire 5 to 3] but real madrid and Milan are ahead of you [ 9 and 7] currently rated 11 in Europe FWIW

*League - Man U
Fa cup- Man u - you are forth
Charitty sheild - Man u
Euro - { best in englandshire 5 to 3] but real madrid and Milan are ahead of you [ 9 and 7] currently rated 11 in Europe FWIW

So you've missed my point in order to snipe, but for the record I'd suggest that most European cup wins (for an English team), second most League titles (only one behind), most League cup wins (you forgot that one), and fourth most FA cup wins is pretty much unmatched in aggregate.

No-one's suggesting that Liverpool can, or want to, live off past glories. Well, no-one other than you and that monkey, and that's only to flaunt your own prejudices.

It's ok, even JY can't help himself when it comes to a Liverpool thread. 😐

pretty much unmatched in aggregate

the unmatched history of Liverpool

I agree with the former not the later and both are your words.

DD you are better than this and it just makes it all get a little childish/tribal 😕
you missed my point as well, the problem is Liverpool used to be a great team and now your history is great. You wont win anything based on your history but it has created an expectation that means the fans* are not happy with anything less than being the best. That makes it very difficult for any manager to be a "success".
Liverpool are without doubt a great team with a history all teams would be proud to have but it is not unmatched here or in Europe which you seem to accept whilst having a pop.

Sorry I missed league cups out - i also missed out the Uefa cup as well you are equal first on that with 3 but they are generally considered minor.

Well, no-one other than you and that monkey, and that's only to flaunt your own prejudices.

* OK not all of them like not all engerland fans are unrealistic.

I've been going to Liverpool since 78 so I've seen a few games and a few managers come and go. I'd also like to think I'm fairly impartial and I do believe the signing of Rodgers as a good one and a step in the right direction. But I'm nervous too for the simple fact is he needs time and that wasn't given to Hodgson who I think is a good manager and his treatment by fans and the media was poor t say the least. As soon as Kenny was sitting on his shoulder his days were numbered.
I'd love to thank Kenny for all he's done for the club, as a player and a manager but that was his first stint. I'm sorry but his style this time harked back to those days and as much as he got the bonded the club his tactics and style were poor and his treatment of Dirk Kuyt boggles me as ANY TRUE Liverpool fan knows that guy runs non stop and gives his all every single game yet he hardly got a kick with Kenny in charge. I am not sad Kenny has gone at all.
For those who said Rafa was available can you remember his style and treatment of players too? The mess the club got embroiled in over donkey Barry and Xavi Alonso was pathetic and I'm so so happy for Xavi that he left and went on to better things as he was one of the best signings Liverpool have ever made and we - or should I say Rafa drove him away from the club.
I never subscribed to getting a "big name" manager and the likes of Pep or Jose were just jokes and stupidity made by idiots and the media to sell papers and stories. I will openly admit there was one manager who I'd love to see at Anfield and he's across the road with Everton. Moyes is a fabulous manager, knows how to control players, deal with the press and would if given a chance been a fantastic choice but I think the whole blue thing would have scuppered it. The worst of it is I'm sure one day he will end up at Old Shitford and be a success there too.
So lets see how next season goes and I hope for better things which if you look at least season can't get much worse lol. I also hope the players actually do their part and stand up and be counted as they let the club and fans down big time.

Yes thankfully only you and DD are objective on this one.

Thanks, I try my hardest, If only you could too JY, but as ever, you've let yourself down again and lost your cool sense of objectivity.

Schrick, dont assume all liverpool fans have the same opinions as the ones you meet

Moyes is a fabulous manager, knows how to control players, deal with the press and would if given a chance been a fantastic choice but I think the whole blue thing would have scuppered it.

+1

He's a brilliant manager, but you know it would never work...it would be as mad a move as McLeish to the smaller midlands club, Aston Villa.

DD Shall I cc you in to a Binners and fred chat to remind you what lost objectivity means 😯
😆

I've been going to Liverpool since 78 so I've seen a few games and a few managers come and go. I'd also like to think I'm fairly impartial.....The worst of it is I'm sure one day he will end up at Old Shitford and be a success there too.

These threada are somewhat depressing.
I am surprised at you DD doing gentle goadin of me and leattin gthe Liverpool fans post what they like.

Is any fan actually objective? There is no way you think I am amongst the worst [ unless of course you are blind [by your hatred?] to the Man u digs?] 😉
I think I should just flounce off as they all end up like this sadly.
Perhaps the Cpt has a point about football and the fayns. 😥

Moyes would be a good bet but it will never happen. Perhaps rodgers can give you them same stability though if he gets the time.

TBH i would be a sit on the fence for me if I was a Liverpool fan. i would not be doom and gloom but he needs a few years before judgement can be served. in the current climate [ not just liverpool but footy generally] I will be surprised if he gets the chance.

Junkyard, well said ..at last some common sense

As an obvious partisan neutral, [i]If[/i] I happened to be a highly rated manager, I honestly can't think of a single solitary reason that would attract me to Anfield, and that probably counts for at least the last 15 years.

It's a club of ghosts, destroyer of careers.

And that anthem.... yeurghhhh..

Rodgers probably topped the list of managers actually interested in the position. Good luck to him, he'll need it.

pretty much unmatched in aggregate
=
the unmatched history of Liverpool

My lazy and imprecise use of language lets me down again. I meant those two things to mean exactly the same. I'm ashamed that I left a gap big enough for a subjective wedge.

Why don't we all flounce off, as JY says, and reconvene in precisely one year's time to consider whether Brendan managed to find a

single solitary reason

at our once magnificent club

let me get that for you.

Don't worry, if all else fails there's always room for King Kenny's 3rd coming..

ROFLMFAO

let me get that for you

Flounce off, would'ya? And take your spoon with you.

As Pepe le Pew would say, ''ze truth, it 'ert.''

BR has a great positive attitude and seems well in touch with how the game is progressing.. as long as he makes the right choices with what players he buys then he's gonna do ok. The problem will be overcoming that big hurdle that separates the top few clubs from the rest of the premier league. When you consider what budget he had with Swansea and how they performed then you'd probably think he will be a top manager.
Shame he can't give Woy Hodgson some pointers on Ball possesion and creativity in time for the Euros.

This is true, BR may just turn out to be a saviour of sorts. Cometh the hour..

[i]I do believe the signing of Rodgers as a good one and a step in the right direction. But I'm nervous too for the simple fact is he needs time and that wasn't given to Hodgson who I think is a good manager and his treatment by fans and the media was poor t say the least. As soon as Kenny was sitting on his shoulder his days were numbered.[/i]

I agree with most of your post but think BR will be given time. Roy was the Cowboys' appointment. When FSG came in they always wanted to start their own project. I fully believe he was already on borrowed time, but they would have preferred to keep him in the interim (perhaps for a year more) whilst finding their own man. This was never Kenny, he was only a stop-gap, but results and league position necessitated the emergency change. Kenny was not the reason for Roy's sacking but the solution to it.
To give them (FSG) some credit, they then went on to give Kenny a chance and backed him with a bit of cash, but he was always under more pressure because it was clear that he wasn't really part of the plan. Again , it was easier for them to get rid because he wasn't really their "choice" but an almost enforced appointment and so had more to justify.
BR is FSG's choice. He is part of their long term plan. They have to give him the time he needs. The "fire-fighting" phase of the last 2 years is over now so there is a little more room to let the plan flow. If there is a benefit to be taken from this period, its that they have had a proper introduction to English Soccer and an extended time to analyse the options and chose the right manager. Liverpool have traditionally given their managers a fair crack of the whip, and its time to do that again.
And Sigurdson looks like a good first signing if that goes through 🙂

BR is FSG's choice.

We are led to believe that Martinez was first choice once Rodgers had ruled himself out, once he'd made it know that he was interested it seems they dropped Martinez interest immediately.

I wanted Rafa back myself...

We are led to believe that Martinez was first choice once Rodgers had ruled himself out, once he'd made it know that he was interested it seems they dropped Martinez interest immediately.

Dear Mr. Junkyard,
While idly waiting for an egg to boil, I thought I'd have a google. The water's still cold enough to dip my finger in, and I needed only one mouse click...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_football_clubs_in_England_by_major_honours_won

Unmatched!

Or do you want to invent a complex series of coefficients for the varying merits of each competition to disprove this?

Well I've lowered myself to abject, if brief, googling pedantry, and I'm sorry. And while I've proved a point, I can only concur that historic superiority is immaterial. All that matters now is 2012-13 and beyond. Come on Brendan! Come on you Reds!

Hugs all round,
zimbo

League Cup a major cup- you are having a laugh arent you? Seriously do you think it is ? Would you call it a double to have that and the league?
Without that you are not the whole one ahead of Man U nor if we include the cahrity shield you are behind with both those changes.
I would say comparable but you beat your drum as loud as you like for that one extra.
Have you spent the last day writing that page 😀

Its a big gulf between us and the rest and bigger than I would have thought- well done for winning the league cup this year as it makes you the best team ever .....FACT 😀

Odd to include that tbh but I see the rationale and you do have a point if you work it out that way- we could argue whether we should count this or that but comparable would still be my point and I very much doubt you will concede it- ie we could calculate it another way and have man u as top if we wished so its a mute point and a pointless debate. However calculated that way your team are top by 1but i am not sure that means unmatched but you can have best using that method.

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Unmatched
1. Not matched: unmatched socks.
2. Without equal or rival; peerless:

You're too complicated for me, kid! Unmatched means peerless - what's confusing about that? Genuine question. (Although I was ashamed of my pedantry gooling of "most successful english team". A semantic debate over what "unmatched" means hits a new low! Congratulations!)

oops you beat me with your ninja edit! I can't argue with you about what you [i]think[/i] words mean!

Shall we argue about whose red is more redder - Liverpool's or Man U's?

I did not write the dictionary
I did not see your posts before editing.

If you think 1 more [using that method but less using a slightly different methods] is unrivalled and peerless then so be it.

Again it is a superb record but it is not unmatched even if it is one better. It will become a pointless pin dance about words.

Shall we just agree that everyone else is worse?

it is not unmatched even if it is one better

One or the other of us fails to understand the basic laws of existence. Me, I've always thought that if you win by just 1, you definitely still win...

Shall we just agree that everyone else is worse?

Shall we just agree to stop this nonsense, because frankly both of us are boring me?

Depends how you count the scores though 😉

Heads zimbo wins, tails junkyard loses...

Shall we argue about whose red is more redder - Liverpool's or Man U's

United's - being the red of the Devil.