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So it's just been announced that Brenden Rodgers has agreed to be our manager.
I am now utterly devastated, our club is now deservedly a laughing stock and I am preparing for a season of massive disappointment...
Did Terry Connor not want the job then? 
Staggered at Rodgers to be honest.
What top players are going to come now? Reina will be gone, as will Suarez.
People can say all they like that Liverpool are yesterday's club and in terms of success that has some truth in it, but the fact remains that Liverpool along with Utd are the only massive global clubs in the country and we deserve better, should be aiming higher.
I am utterly devastated, I cannot sit here and defend the undefenceable, wtf, these American owners, just like the last ones, have no clue.
Where the **** is our new stadium...
Did I mention I am completely devastated.
At least we could have even tried to pinch David moyes....
I actually feel physically sick...
Why why why why why!!!!!!!!!!?
I would imagine that the senior players (who should know the opinion of the changing room) would have been canvassed for opinion ahead of any appointment. So I wouldn't necessarily expect an exodus of players in the summer.
Give the guy a chance.
calm down calm down.
NUFC did this with Pardew and look where we are? yes....above you 🙂
manager on the way up, all the other options had sketchy histories at least he's coming in on a positive vibe might actually shake the players up a bit
i,d did,nt know this until i read this thread,and as a swansea fan i feel gutted and betrayed,hope you go down.
I'll bet he's not there in 18mths...
He had a meeting and is now with the Swansea chairman, doesn't mean he's got it, he'll help liverpool finish higher than last season, better style of football as well as Kennys style lacked flair.
bizarre appointment imo - not aiming very high are we now? liverpool SHOULD be attracting a real high class calibre of manager with a wealth of experience, instead they have acquired a chap who's won promotion with swansea and kept them in the prem league for 1 season....not exactly sure how that warrants one of the top 5 tops in the premier league?
i wasnt really happy they were talking to martinez to be honest, but this is even a step below him 🙁
should have tried villas-boas at worst if they wanted a young manager - at least he had a point to prove and was shit on by chelsea
Announced where?
By which time the 'top four' will have well and truly sailed off into the distance...
They sacked dalglish for brenden bloody Rodgers...
It's all over Radio 5 now.
Loddrik, rather have him than martinez, he was reserve coach /manager at chelsea reserves ,then manager at watford and reading, then on to swansalona .....doesnt seem to long at the same place which cannot be good when we need stability
Good choice, you didn't want Rodriguez?
His team plays good football, won't get Champions League next season but will do the season after.
Patience
I get the impression he just capitalised on what Martinez built at Swansea, didn't want either though. Rafa was available, excellent CV and affiliation with the club.
Truly gutted!!
Maybe he'll have the sense to offer Kuyt a new contract, and maybe even a game now and then...unlike "King" Kenny.
I'll bet he's not there in 18mths...
He'll be out by Christmas.
You'll bring in Neil Warnock to stave off relegation.
He will succeed (just).
A bit of a gamble, but then any new management appointment is. He's not ran a big club yet, but has a lot of experience for his age and has the presence to suggest he'll handle it fine.
His teams play great football, and work for each other. I reckon he's gonna do well, but it'll probably take a couple of years before they lift another pot. That "sick" feeling is excitement loddrik, its the start of a new era.
It might be a bit earlier than some would have expected, but it was looking like he'd move up a level within a few seasons. As for why, I reckon they've poached him now knowing he was on a few other shortlists for jobs coming available next year 😉
Hope he gets at least three seasons to make his mark, but its not a bad squad he's taking over.
I get the impression he just capitalised on what Martinez built at Swansea
+1
Surprised is an understatement - I could see Rogers or Martinez at an Aston Villa to awaken the sleeping giant, but at Liverpool?
He'll be gone by Christmas... (damn higgo beat me to it!!)
Is Louis Van Gaal still going to be director of football?
I am now utterly devastated, our club [b]is now[/b] deservedly a laughing stock and I am preparing for a season of massive disappointment...
What do you mean [b][i]now[/i][/b]?
Nope, they are saying there will now be no director of football. The mind boggles...
And as above, if I was a fan of the fools from up the M62, I'd be in the floor laughing too..
Good manager, but won't be given a chance at Liverpool as he's not a big enough name.
And as above, if I was a fan of the fools from up the M62, I'd be in the floor laughing too..
Leeds?
You have more in common with them than you think.
I was at Swansea for the last game of the season and they play decent football actually.
It's also to be noted that i saw a link to overall posession stats for last season in Europe. Top were Barca of course, Bayern in there, Real in there.... Arsenal..... Guess who was 10th highest posession ..... Swansea !!!!.
From my perspective i'm more than happpy to give him a chance, i fancy a manager who has no favourites, will pick players based on position, skills and performance.
With luck, it will see players like Spearing never darkening the first team again.
With luck, it will see players like Spearing never darkening the first team again.
+1
*wanders over to twitter to see what The Poplar 1 makes of it.
Rafa won nothing before Valencia , which he took at 41.
Villas Boas, and Mourinho, had won nothing before Porto.
Guardiola was a gamble for Barca.
You need to take a risk to win.
Moyes was [u]never[/u] the answer, and Rafa had too much baggage . He would have been a good alternative to Kenny when Woy proved to be wrong, but they can't go back in time for two appointments in a row. Not now.
They'll play good football, and its a gamble worth taking. I see them getting more points and finishing higher than this season, with this squad. Anything more depends on players coming in.
Good manager, but won't be given a chance at Liverpool as he's not[s] a big enough name[/s] an ex Liverpool player.
WHat we need is Henderson to get lucky and shin a couple in from 30 yards at the Euros, some idiot will then buy him and allow us to get Rodwell out of that manky blue jersey...
Top 5 jobs in league??? How's that?
Thought that was MCFC,MUFC,AFC,THFC,NUFC
League doesn't lie.
Is it really that bad a choice? Swansea played some great football last season. As a West Brom fan I'm now really worried who we might end up with!
A bigger name like Brendan Rogerson perhaps?
Apparently Barry Fry was also approached but turned it down in favour of his allotment.
Top 5 jobs in league??? How's that?Thought that was MCFC,MUFC,AFC,THFC,NUFC
League doesn't lie.
Neither does the Champions League.
Some wag on the Beeb said Rodgers wouldn't get Liverpool to play like Swansea because they don't have the same quality of players!
Think I would have seen how/if Swansea struggled in their second season before saying he was worthy of a top* job.
*and Liverpool 😉
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17973155
I'm a full on footy hater but this is making me chuckle!
Dont get it. why leave swansea for a smaller club? And he'll have to live in the north west!
He could do well but will need to be given time - something that'll be in short supply. He's done well at the swans and they've played some good stuff this year and let's face it Kenny was looking more the mad tramp shouting at the pigeons with every interview. He'll probably do well but I guess that depends on what your view is of doing well.
Overall I'm lukewarm on this one...... But then I am an Evertonian 😉
Kenny was looking more the mad tramp shouting at the pigeons with every interview
It's funny cause it's true!
I don't understand all this big name stuff, Liverpool are average at best, and have no right to demand the likes of gaurdiola or mourinho
As a WIgan fan I didn't want them to get Martinez, but all this not enough experience is bollocks.
How are the likes of Brendan Rodgers, Martinez or even Paul Lambert even going to win big trophy with the clubs they are at now, they need to move on sometime.
All are good young managers and will move on at some point, and hopefully be successful
Will all the scousers (and plastic ones) please get a grip on reality
Moggy, they're challenging for the title again next season 🙄
Everything about Liverpool is unbalanced, their history compared to the present day, their ground to their ambitions, the transfer spending compared to their income.
There is a desparate need of a reality check, Liverpool have been "trending" downwards for over a decade and I think most honest impartial observers will recognise they were very lucky to beat Cardiff on pens at Wembley.
Will Rogers stop the downward spiral, who honestly knows ? He will give a go but will he be given the time and money required because make no mistake Liverpool are nowhere close to being a top four prem club right now.
Liverpool are quite simply a top ten prem club trading on past glory and thats proven by the appointment of Rodgers.
loddrik, first things first, calm yourself & stop being a bad wool
Who knows if he will be the right man, his brand of football is right, his character seems right, he now needs to take it to the next level, handle far greater expectations & pressure & deliver results more often.
I actually think his brand of football will suit our better players & more technically gifted individuals. Wouldn't be surprised if peoples hates like Henderson shine under his style of football tbh.
Anyway, I will back him from now onwards, thats how its done!
time will tell
that is what he needs, time, but I doubt he will get it.
pb2 - Member
Liverpool are quite simply a top ten prem club trading on past glory and thats proven by the appointment of Rodgers.
past glory like february 2012 carling cup win? 2006 fa cup? 2005 champions league? 2003 Carling cup? 2001 fa/carling/uefa cup treble? second in perm twice in that period?
When Man Utd signed Aberdeen's manager, when Everton signed Preston's manager etc etc, people thought it was a bad move, how short sighted were they?
He shouldn't need time to get the current squad plus a couple of additions to perform better in the premier league next season. we lost 14 games last season ffs...
The clubs in Bill Shankly's CV before he took over at Liverpool make impressive reading...
If anything Rogers might be doing his career a harm by taking on what's a club on it's way down!
Liverpool should be lucky to have a manager that's able to knock some quality football into the players and sort his dressing room out to have some discipline. I don't remember any racist/overpaid striker going on the piss scandal at Swansea all season.
If anything Rogers might be doing his career a harm by taking on what's a club on it's way down!Liverpool should be lucky to have a manager that's able to knock some quality football into the players and sort his dressing room out to have some discipline. I don't remember any racist/overpaid striker going on the piss scandal at Swansea all season
That's because there's only 2 journalists in Swansea to capture these events. If there's a Sheep Fair or a school fete on that week, things like a footballer going nuts can easily be overlooked.
Makes me laugh, people are always keen to say Liverpool are yesterday's news, but the fact remains that they are one of only two truly global clubs the uk has, both of those two clubs have had far more success than any other English team, could fill larger stadiums than any other teams, when you have that, you have massive potential. Utd are realising their potential, ours is massively under utilised. With a stadium and the right manager, that potential could be realised. Rafa nearly got there but the clowns pulled the rug from under him in terms of finances and lack of stadium. We don't need a sugar daddy like Chelsea and City as, in the right hands, we can create revenue they couldn't dream of, but again it comes down to a stadium that can accommodate the existing crowds and the season ticket waiting list which is currently around 30000, this would then furnish the right manager with funds to compete at the highest level. I can't see the stadium happening anytime soon and even if it did, I can't see Rodgers would be the person to spend the increased revenues. Utd earn nearly £2m more in revenue each home game from gate receipts alone whilst the clubs have similar fanbases. There is no way we can compete with a capacity of 44000. If the owners sorted the stadium out, Rodgers would be given as much time as he needs by the fans.
Liverpool remain one of the top ten richest clubs in the world - so it's hard to see why they've been weighing up the managers of Swansea, Wolves and Wigan for the next appointment. Just seems excessively risky and not something any other club of that stature would do.
I like(d) Rodgers, seems to have some class. His new club will soon correct that - he'll be talking like Rafa in 6 months.
I'd love to be laughing at Liverpool's plight. But a lot of their problems are routed in being treated like a cash cow by Stadler and Whaldorf. And I suspect that when the Glazers finally leave United, we'll be in a pretty similar boat. Saddled with their debts, and a legacy of underinvestment in the team, while lining their own pockets
The present management are just trying to repair the damage. The only question if whether they can live up to the fans frankly ludicrous expectations, or whether Rodgers (whose a decent manager) will be given the same reception as Woy. I think that'll probably be the case. Though they're not going to have an obvious candidate to champion from the terraces now King Kenny's not available
The job is a loaded dice, away from the camera Dagleish is a really good bloke but in front of the cameras he became a prickly village idiot, as I said earlier the whole Liverpool thing is an unbalanced mess and whilst you have Liverpool fans thinking they have some sort of divine right to Champions league footy and silverware it will continue to be a mess.
The fact is you have to earn the right every season through every game, you don't earn the right based on what you did 7 years ago -- Liverpool fans you need to wake up and get real !
To be fair to Hodgson I had more hope for him, it was only when Ferguson has a couple of pops and Roy rolled over in complete deference rather than going one the offensive like kenny or rafa would have done, that was inexcusable in my eyes. That and the signing of Konchesky, and the negative tactical ineptitude.
The fact is you have to earn the right every season through every game, you don't earn the right based on what you did 7 years ago -- Liverpool fans you need to wake up and get real !
As mentioned above, expectations aren't so high because we have been so successful in the past, it's because we are one of the two biggest clubs in the country and have suffered nearly two decades of financial malmanagement. We don't think we should be winning everything each year, but we should certainly be competing...
Not all Liverpool fans are completely blinkered to our current situation. Mostly we're realists who have grasped the current scenario and where we actually are in the current pecking order.
Rodgers for me is an ideal candidate for the job, both in terms of potential and also of realism, we're not in a position to attract Jose or Pep, so we have to currently make do with who we can realistically attract.
Rodgers was trained by Jose, picking up i assume a lot of knowledge from the best manager on the planet currently. Along with Liverpools buying power (as we still are a 'big name', meaning we can attract players over and above our current league positions) meaning we should be potentially in a strong position.
As for the league title/top 4, well, personally i'm happy for us to push for 4th/5th next season, with an outside chance of a CL position, that for me is a realistic proposition for Rodgers... However, if we don't achieve that, then so be it.... i can live with that....
Why ? Simply because if we're playing better football, playing nicer passing and getting rid of some of the dross in the squad, then i can be patient and wait for gradual improvements.
As a Liverpool fan i simply want to see, fast, flowing, short passing exciting football... Simillar to Arsenal really.. i can live without the titles.. as long as my team are giving me what i need to see from my club.
the rest of it... well, that comes with time....
loddrik - Member
To be fair to Hodgson I had more hope for him, it was only when Ferguson has a couple of pops and Roy rolled over in complete deference rather than going one the offensive like kenny or rafa would have done, that was inexcusable in my eyes. That and the signing of Konchesky, and the negative tactical ineptitude
hodgson was done for after about 3 press conferences. Signed and sealed.. blaming fans for not helping and then stupid things like accepting defeat from lower teams as normal...meant for me Hodgson was on a no-win.
That's because there's only 2 journalists in Swansea to capture these events. If there's a Sheep Fair or a school fete on that week, things like a footballer going nuts can easily be overlooked.
You mean Swansea actually has a sports team that are winners i.e Ospreys so overpaid underachieving footballers don't make it into the sports pages unlike Liverpool. Sheep jokes - tell tale signs you have shit chat.
It's all going downhill from here ... bye bye Liverpool ... 🙄
They should have given Daglish at least 3 to 5 years to turn it around ...
So £20m on Henderson, £7.5m for Adam, £35m for Carroll, Downing for £20m, Suarez for £25m, Enrique £5.5m.
£113m to finish 8th.
I note Lawrenson as a mate of previous manager has already started the media campaign against Rogers, so I doubt he will get the time he needs to turn what has been a tactically naive team around. I can't see Liverpool breaking the top 6 next year.
It's all going downhill from here ... bye bye Liverpool ...They should have given Daglish at least 3 to 5 years to turn it around ...
No, they really shouldn't have.
I can't see Liverpool breaking the top 6 next year
I disagree totally.
He needs at least 12 months to show his style /intentions, lets see how it goes ...... no one can know how he will react to the role
Be very interesting to see who he gets in/ships out...
He has brought 3 of his backroom staff, imo we need to get rid of adam and downing to start with then need centre half cover ......... get lucas fit again, sort out the wings and get a poacher forward to mix it up ....hope andy carroll continues the enthusiasm he showed at the end of last season
TBH i like Charlie Adam. He has 1 thing that people like Henderson/Downing are completely lacking... a true footballing brain.
Whilst Charie had a crap time of it last season, he can SEE passes, and see play in a way that only Gerrard can see and have the vision to implement. Look at Gerrards passes to Torres in the past, very few players SEE them runs/moves, let alone can pull them off. However, Charlie Adam is one of them people. But for whatever reason, it didn't quite come off for him last year. He then hit a form slump, as did the team, then was injured. I have big dreams for Charlie... i hope he proves me right.
when did liverpool fans become so massively deluded about who they are any more ?
reminds me of newcastle in the 90s/00s
I really rate this move, and the timing of it. He's a top manager with 17 years coaching experience at 39. Quite often, players who retire early through injury go on to learn a lot about the game.
If he'd stayed at Swansea and improved on last season he'd be on every wishlist next year. Better to him get in now recognising the fact that Kenny was always a short term solution to the Welegation Woy mess.
Chelsea have no boss, Rednap's on the way out, Wenger won't last forever, and Ferguson needs replacing soon. Mourinho's tied down for another 5 years too. Of the teams above LFC only City, Everton and Newcastle look like they won't be needing a new manager in the next couple of years. And for all the p1ss taking from rivals, they'll all have been hoping Rodgers stayed on at Swansea for another year to check out just how good he is.
To paraphrase Sick Boy in trainspotting: The Champions League win was just a blip on an otherwise downward trajectory
As far as delusion goes, They also remind me of my 'we're too big a club to go down' City mates in the 90's 😆
Liverpool have spent the the last five or six years turning talented people into shit, with a few exceptions. "Big Name" managers don't want the job anymore.
While some revel in their mire (usual obvious posters there of course...as night follows day, they arrive) and make out they are an "average" club, they have one thing that only United have really, and that is a massive international following, something that United have capitalised on and for some reason, Liverpool haven't.
They are running out of time to use this, who knows, maybe they have actually run out. What it will come down to, of course, is how much money Rodgers gets to buy in new talent; and whether they have the scouts to get it. As long as Liverpool have American owners, who view the whole thing as a franchise, the most they can hope for is the odd Europa league here or there, and a good cup run.
Still, I suppose it could be worse, one could be a Villa fan and be calling one's club a sleeping giant all the time.
EDIT:
(usual obvious posters there of course...as night follows day, they arrive)
QED.
As long as Liverpool have American owners, who view the whole thing as a franchise, the most they can hope for is the odd Europa league here or there, and a good cup run.
Do the Glazers not view Utd in the exact same way ?
Do the Glazers not view Utd in the exact same way ?
I dunno what the different financial arrangements are tbh, but United already had an excellent squad, a world class manager (if also a massive cock) and a mahoosive stadium when they took over. What happens when they finally get rid of United, who knows. Everybody talks about United like it's a ticking bomb, but they seem to be doing just fine, albeit, they've just had a trophyless season where they looked second rate compared to a few European sides.
I consider myself fortunate to have watched the LFC teams of Shankley and Paisley and believe this appointment is a shrewd one.
Look, playing competitive football is not complicated (game of 2 halves yadda yadda..). [b]If you have the ball and keep it, the other team cannot score.[/b] Simples. Check out Barca from the last couple of years, that's exactly their method. Ok, comments can be made about skill levels etc, however, if someone who is being paid alot of money to kick a ball cannot do the basics, then let em go.
Both Shanks and Paisley followed that principal.
Agree 100% but my point is... that the Glazers bought UTD for the exact same reasons as FSG bought Liverpool, to increase profits within the company. The Glazers will make money from UTD i think it's in about 3 years time. FSG will be about the same.
FSG have an exceptional reputation in the US with their other sports franchises, making both money and winning titles/trophies. They're also the highest spenders in the leagues.
So from that context, i'm not worried.
As a Liverpool fan, i accept we have work to do on the squad/team. I also don't think a top 2-3 is realistic without spending ITRO £150m+.. but that doesn't mean we can't get closer than we have been recently. We can push for 4th and at least be somewhere above the 2nd tier teams i think within the next 12 months.
I think Rodgers will bring in an attractive style of play and not be so reliant on players based upon big names, or massive transfer fees. Personally i don't think Henderson, Downing or even Carroll would have started nearly as many games if it wasn't for the fact the manager signed them and in many ways had to justify his signings.