You don't need to be an 'investor' to invest in Singletrack: 6 days left: 95% of target - Find out more
He told the Sun: “If you look at all the psychological profiling about bombers, they typically will look at porn. They are literally w***ers. Severe onanists".
I suspect he may have accidentally labelled all men jihadists there.
I've always thought of them as arseholes, personally.
Boris has got the balls to say what I've always thought; I've always believed that it's sexual and intellectual frustration that leads young men to carry out extreme acts.
The problem exists in our own society: if anybody asked me to define the difference between being a batchelor and being a married man I would say that despite some exciting short-term relationships batchelorhood was frustrating because of the lack of sexual and emotional security. Once I was married all that changed as there was a sense of security and emotional fulfilment... and no more searching questions from people wondering why I wasn't married, when I travelled around Africa and the Middle East.
The deep irony is that as soon as procreation was accomplished, regular sex became just a distant memory.
I'm sure the usual suspect do gooders will be demanding he makes an apology by the end of the day....
[img] 
[/img]
I've always believed that it's sexual and intellectual frustration that leads young men to carry out extreme acts.
It probably a bit of an over simplification but yeah I would tend to agree.
The whole oddly specific number of virgins in paradise thing seems to basically being saying. "Well we know you ain't getting any in this world but strap on this suicide vest and then go fill yer boots"
dont fancy having a **** with that hook
I'm sure the usual suspect do gooders will be demanding he makes an apology by the end of the day...
Brian Blessed? 😯
show me a man who isnt a w@nker and I'll show you a liar.
They're certainly lacking in social skills.
They're obsessed. Lots of them even blow their load in crowded places.
show me a man who isnt a w@nker and I'll show you a liar.
Take your pick
[img] 
[/img]
Remember reading brian keenans book where he said his captors spent the day telling him how the west was sick and cared about nothing but sex and then he would be woken up at night by the guy guarding his door noisily having a tug with a copy of the latest porn mag,they certainly are a mixed up lot.
Takes one to know one!
show me a man who isnt a w@nker and I'll show you a liar.
Remember at school one lad bragging that now he had a girlfriend he didn't have to ****. Someone pointed that they didn't [i][b]have[/b][/i] to either, they just enjoyed it...
I hate too say it, bit Bozza is probably right. If you're religious belief teaches you that women are fundamentally inferior to you, then you're hardly going to have a healthy and balanced attitude to sexuality.
If everything about you says 'you are my inferior', then I doubt you're going to be beating them off with a shitty stick.
When it comes to its attitude to women, Islam dragging itself into the 18th century would be progress of sorts.
I spent 5ys living in Saudi, I met/saw a lot of frustrated blokes. Unsurprising given they not only cant look at women, they cant even talk to them.
Several times I saw a few of them enjoying each others company. Which given their lack of exposure to women was not a surprise.
Separated in school, work, socially, sport etc. Really messed up their whole world.
The internet must make their view of them and the rest of the world upsetting.
[img] 
[/img]
I often think that Catholicism and Islam have a lot in common and when I was a student in Spain in 1977 Franco was only two years dead and the whole country was beginning to emerge from religious supression. I lived in a male-only hall of residence near Seville for five months (admittedly it was an Opus Dei college) and was really struck by the immaturity of the general attitude to women. Two English girls, fellow students who were in Granada, thought it would be fun to hitch over and spend a weekend with me at my hall of residence.... their arrival caused a near-riot amongst the residents and my room mate and I had to smuggle them into an empty annexe and lock them in for the night for their own safety then escort them back to the bus station the next day. It was a big embarrassment.
When I returned to Spain a few years later it was remarkable how the country had gone overboard on porn - it seemed to be everywhere.
ninfan - Member
I'm sure the usual suspect do gooders will be demanding he makes an apology by the end of the day....
Paper/rock/scissors world champ apparently...
EDIT: reference to Hammy, it didn't copy the image...
I think the promise of a wife / sex slave and 70 virgins if you martyr yourself is a big part of the sales pitch to these would be Jihadists. IS has been recruiting young girls to go to Syria/Iraq. I do think if you are inept with women having a totally subservient women at your beck and call purely as a result of you becoming a fighter is probably quite appealing.
[i]/ Devils Advocate//[/i] So basically we need to air drop porn on these repressed people to free them up and give them a balanced view of women ? [i]/ Devils Advocate//[/i]
Remember at school one lad bragging that now he had a girlfriend he didn't have to ****. Someone pointed that they didn't have to either, they just enjoyed it...
Which reminds me...
I was sitting in a climbing hut reading a copy of "Scouting for Boys" I found in the bookshelves. I read out the bit which warns young boys of the danger of "troubling ones-self with one's hand", to which a small voice in the corner responded "it's no trouble".
Trimix - Member
/ Devils Advocate// So basically we need to air drop porn on these repressed people to free them up and give them a balanced view of women ? / Devils Advocate//
The opposite. We airdrop Germain Greer onto them, to give them a jolly good telling off
binners - Member
We airdrop Germain Greer onto them, to give them a jolly good telling off
*fapp fapp fapp fapp fapp*
I spent 5ys living in Saudi, I met/saw a lot of frustrated blokes. Unsurprising given they not only cant look at women, they cant even talk to them.Several times I saw a few of them enjoying each others company. Which given their lack of exposure to women was not a surprise.
Man love Thursdays?
On a more serious note - I am hoping that exposure to the outside world will help women to become respected out there. The internet and social media is assisting this.
Already there is a lot going on, even in Saudi where women have been demanding better rights.
The right to drive being one of them. How long the authorities can clamp down on social media / blogging / internet remains to be seen.
I think he has it backwards - it's not that they fail with women so become violent jihadists, it's that most women don't find violent jihadists attractive.
In a society run by violent jihadists* that's fine - the men can just do whatever the hell they like. In a society like ours they can't, so get frustrated and decide to do something about it.
There's a germ of an idea there - why do men become so misogynistic? That's what needs to be tackled.
*I'm counting Saudi Arabia here too.
Already there is a lot going on, even in Saudi where women have been demanding better rights.The right to drive being one of them. How long the authorities can clamp down on social media / blogging / internet remains to be seen.
I can't help thinking that having the developed world fawn on the leader/dictator who enforced all this nonsense, probably isn't helping matters. Nor is turning a blind eye to horrendous human rights abuses, as long as they keep buying their expensive bang bangs off us
When someone is sentenced to 1000 lashes for saying on social media 'you know what? this is all a bit shit', I wouldn't hold my breath for any progress.
There's a germ of an idea there - why do men become so misogynistic? That's what needs to be tackled.
Because Islam is inherently misogynistic, and so its drilled in to them from the earliest age
bencooper - Membermost women don't find violent jihadists attractive.
It's true this, I go to Violent Jihadist Speed Dating most tuesdays and it's almost all dudes. And the women, zomfg.
binners - MemberBecause Islam is inherently misogynistic, and so its drilled in to them from the earliest age
And all misogynists are muslim of course.
Because Islam is inherently misogynistic, and so its drilled in to them from the earliest age
So is Christianity. So is our society. We can't be too smug about this, when only 20% of MPs are women. And it's not all Muslim countries - look at Malaysia or Indonesia.
Violent Jihadist Speed Dating
Very speedy when everyone's wearing suicide vests 😀
So is Christianity. So is our society.
True but everything is relative. Last week the Church of England ordained its first female bishop. I wouldn't hold out much hope of the catholic church following suit. But the more conservative forms of Islam barely acknowledge women as anything more than property/breeding machines/servents.
Its unhealthy for everyone. And its certainly not compatible with liberal western societies values, yet it is tolerated, and even pandered too.
And it's not all Muslim countries - look at Malaysia or Indonesia.
Last week the Church of England ordained its first female bishop.
They've done that because of pressure from secular society. Do you think a country run by the Christian church would do that kind of thing?
So basically we need to air drop porn on these repressed people to free them up and give them a balanced view of women ?
if we are drop porn mags dusted with Anthrax to IS could we not wipe most of them out within a few days ?
FWIW a school friend of my Dad used to be a Catholic priest and a theological advisor to the Vatican but he got thrown out for writing a book saying that the only way the Catholic church can survive is for it to allow priests to marry. At the age of 60 he'd had enough of it so he left the priesthood and married a barrister aged 30 and they had two sons. He's the wisest, sincerest and cleverest man I know; what a waste that he is not running the Church.
So is Christianity. So is our society. We can't be too smug about this, when only 20% of MPs are women.
What percentage of the MPs in the Arab States are women?
Islam is misogynistic, it teaches that women are inferior to men.
The hand wringers can come out with their "what aboutery" and other shit but to pretend that the mainstream modern Christian churches teach similar values is nonsense.
look at Malaysia or Indonesia.
Yes lets look at Indonesia in particular.
[url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Indonesia ]Human rights in Indonesia[/url]
That's exactly the sort of idea the CIA will come up with. Look at all the daft plots they tired to kill of Castro !
And the women, zomfg.
How do you know?
[img] 
[/img]
Islam is misogynistic, it teaches that women are inferior to men.
Have you read the Bible?
They've done that because of pressure from secular society.
Exactly. They have changed with the times.
Do you think a country run by the Christian church would do that kind of thing?
Which Christian Church? There are quite a few.
Apart from the Vatican I can't of any Country that is run by a Christian Church. Christian Churches seem to function quite well in a secular society.
The Koran teaches that it is wrong to separate religion from the state and only God can make laws.
Islam does not sit well in a democracy.
Have you read the Bible?
Yes.
Where in the New Testament does it state that women are inferior to men?
Where in the New Testament does it state that women are inferior to men?
Ooh, loads of places - one of the ones you must have heard is in Ephesians: "Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife...wives should submit to their husbands in everything."
Apart from the Vatican I can't of any Country that is run by a Christian Church. Christian Churches seem to function quite well in a secular society.
Yes, there aren't any any more - because when the churches were in charge, we had centuries of Catholic vs Protestant wars, the Spanish Inquisition and witches being burnt at the stake.
The important point is that in a secular society, religion is fine. Want to believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster? Go knock yourself out. But whenever a religion becomes involved with actually running the society, things go wrong.
Ooh, loads of places - one of the ones you must have heard is in Ephesians: "Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife...wives should submit to their husbands in everything."
Yeah... the thing with that is that even the catholic church gave up literal interpretations of the bible in 1650, with the Enlightenment.
The islamic faith shows no signs of that whatsoever. In fact its going in the opposite direction. The hardline version of Islam so beloved of ISIS teaches that modern Islam is a perversion of the faith, as it is too liberal and has strayed too far from the true path, by its failure to observe the more medieval tenets of the Koran
Ooh, loads of places
Ok. I'll rephrase. Where in the Gospels?
because when the churches were in charge, we had centuries of Catholic vs Protestant wars
The churches weren't in charge, they had more power then but they were not "in charge". I think Henry VIII demonstrates that quite well. The wars were caused more by colonial expansion than by religion. There was plenty of Catholic vs Catholic and Protestant vs Protestant wars as well.
Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion [committing a religious sin], admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.
Lovely isn't it?
Why just the gospels now?
Yeah... the thing with that is that even the catholic church gave up literal interpretations of the bible in 1650, with the Enlightenment.
Yes, some Muslim countries could do with being dragged kicking and screaming into the 17th Century. But this is a problem with the leaders and the society that's been created, it's not a problem with the particular religion.
Ok. I'll rephrase. Where in the Gospels?
Aha, so because some parts of one section of the Bible are okay with women, the Bile is fine with women? I bet there are some bits of the Quran which are quite nice about women too.
But this is a problem with the leaders and the society that's been created, it's not a problem with the particular religion.
Yes it is. The fundamentals of that religion, even in its more moderate form (which isn't actually particularly moderate at all), are diametrically opposed to the values of a secular, liberal democracy. Thats the elephant in the room, that is going to be addressed at some point.
The fundamentals of that religion, even in its more moderate form (which isn't actually particularly moderate at all), are diametrically opposed to the values of a secular, liberal democracy. Thats the elephant in the room, that is going to be addressed at some point.
Indeed. But I'd argue that the fundamentals of Christianity were also diametrically opposed to the values of a secular, liberal democracy. So Christianity had to change - that's why people keep saying that you can't take the Bible literally any more.
binners - Member
Yes it is. The fundamentals of that religion, even in its more moderate form (which isn't actually particularly moderate at all), are diametrically opposed to the values of a secular, liberal democracy. Thats the elephant in the room, that is going to be addressed at some point.
So there aren't any 'real' muslims living happily in secular liberal democracies?
Yes it is. The fundamentals of that religion, even in its more moderate form (which isn't actually particularly moderate at all), are diametrically opposed to the values of a secular, liberal democracy. Thats the elephant in the room, that is going to be addressed at some point.
This.
Until the hand wringers wake up and realise this needs to be addressed, then we re going to have massive problems in the future.
Jiha(n)di sha(n)dies?
So there aren't any 'real' muslims living happily in secular liberal democracies?
That would depend on your definition of real.
If they are following the Koran correctly, they would living by Sharia law, which is opposed to democracy and free speech. So they probably wouldn't be very happy in our liberal democracy.
**** me you really believe that?
They've done that because of pressure from secular society. Do you think a country run by the Christian church would do that kind of thing?
the whole point of the Church of England is that the church does't run the state, at the time of it's creation Catholism was an alternative political entity to he monarch and parliament
Why just the gospels now?
because they cover the undiluted aspects of the Christian message. The rest covers the issues around the interpretation of these in a cultural context and creating a "church" and a taxation system to support it
the core message is arguably about treating all people (and especially the socially excluded and children)how you would want to be treated and getting together for a nice meal with booze to remind yourself of who initiated the message
the rest of the Christian message/ ceremony is arguably guff based in the post crucifixion cultures and pre-existing social norms
That would depend on your definition of real.If they are following the Koran correctly, they would living by Sharia law, which is opposed to democracy and free speech. So they probably wouldn't be very happy in our liberal democracy.
By that definition there aren't any "real" Christians either, because they're not following the Bible strictly.
The whole oddly specific number of virgins in paradise thing seems to basically being saying. "Well we know you ain't getting any in this world but strap on this suicide vest and then go fill yer boots"
Is there a reason that they are all virgins? Is it because they will not/do not have sex with anyone?
If that is the case, there will be a shed load of sexually frustrated suicide bombers there.
bencooper - Member"That would depend on your definition of real.
If they are following the Koran correctly, they would living by Sharia law, which is opposed to democracy and free speech. So they probably wouldn't be very happy in our liberal democracy."
By that definition there aren't any "real" Christians either, because they're not following the Bible strictly.
Yeah but that's different Ben.
the core message is arguably about treating all people (and especially the socially excluded and children)how you would want to be treated
That's the core message [u]now[/u] - it's most certainly not the core message of the Bible. Most Christians no longer follow the core messages of their own religious texts, and that's a good thing.
So there aren't any 'real' muslims living happily in secular liberal democracies?
this western lawyer doesn't think so...
http://www.legalcheek.com/2015/01/clifford-chance-trainee-pulls-paris-attack-rant-youtube/
By that definition there aren't any "real" Christians either, because they're not following the Bible strictly.
It's really not the same.
Each Christian Church has it's own rules for it's followers. Some of them are more whacky and extreme than others but as far as I know none of the mainstream ones teach that the Church should run the state.
Islam teaches that the Koran has the rules for religion, business and the State, only God can make law.
Fundamentally different.
That's the core message now - it's most certainly not the core message of the Bible. Most Christians no longer follow the core messages of their own religious texts, and that's a good thing.
no, the gospels were the core message [b]then[/b] as they are supposed to record the life and the message of the person credited with starting the faith
the easiest examples is the distillation of the ten commandments to two, or the concepts of an eye for an eye and then the gospel lessons on forgiveness
the next issue it the interpretation of what are the appropriate texts to follow, the Bible is a distillation of many other texts, so are the texts the right ones?
but Ben as you have clearly studied the texts in detail can you tell me what is their message so I can go around telling people what they should be doing 😉
I've always been surprised that any religion that stops you looking at pretty ladies,drinking beer and eating bacon sandwiches have any followers at all.
The thing about the fundamentals of christianity is that god apparently gave us a handy pocket-sized, cut-out-and-keep guide
Thou shalt have no other gods before me
Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image
Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain
Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy
Honour thy father and thy mother
Thou shalt not kill
Thou shalt not commit adultery
Thou shalt not steal
Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour
Thou shalt not covet (neighbor's house)
Thou shalt not covet (neighbor's wife)
Thou shalt not covet (neighbor's servants, animals, or anything else)
Its fairly straightforward, seems reasonably reasonable IMHO, and entirely in line with secular, liberal democratic values. You could sum it up as: remember I'm the boss, don't nick stuff, lie, kill people or shag other peoples wives. Try not to buy shoes on a Sunday. You can interpret the rest of the Bible how you like. You're not contractually obliged to do anything, as another one of the fundamental values enshrined in christianity is freedom of choice. Jesus was quite big on that.
Allah wasn't. Islam isn't.
...none of the mainstream ones teach that the Church should run the state
C of E Bishops sit in the House of Lords, so they are directly involved in the UK political system.
There's plenty of indirect control of the state in other countries, e.g. the influence of the Church on abortion laws in Ireland.
There might well be influence. Very, very limited in the cases you've stated like the House of Lords
Thats a lot different from saying that all laws are made by god, and administered by his anointed choice of beardy bloke, and thats the end of that!
gobuchul is a western extremism and he has just as much zeal as any islamic extremist and the same ability to take text out of context and manipulate it to justify his views.
OH Binners is not far behind
It always amazes how lucky we are to have such learned scholars of the Quran on here....must get them free with enough pasties eh 🙄
ben - Have you ever had anything to do with any organised religion?
I have when at school.
Even in a modern, mainstream Christian parish, there are some absolute nutters.
When I was a kid at school, I had a mate who's parents and their friends were pretty mental when it came to religion. Now these were educated professional people but by all accounts their "prayer group" was pretty full on. Speaking in tongues and all sorts. Way more "extreme" than what was preached in Church on a Sunday.
However, if you met them you wouldn't of thought "hardcore fundamentalists", however, they pretty much were.
Now they were totally harmless and actually very decent people, they were never taught that they were superior to others, that women should obey their husbands and that if someone turned away from their Church they should be executed.
However, if the same personalities had been subject to the teachings of the Koran then they could of been extremely dangerous.
gobuchul is a western extremism and he has just as much zeal as any islamic extremist and the same ability to take text out of context and manipulate it to justify his views.
Junkyard - Just piss off with your trolling.
What is a "western extremism"? Is that Lands End?
JY - Can you tell me how saying that God is the only person who can make the law, is compatible with liberal secular democracy? I'm all ears!
gobuchul - the scary thing is, he isn't trolling. He actually believes this shit 😯
Can you tell me how saying that God is the only person who can make the law, is compatible with liberal secular democracy? I'm all ears!
I'd be more interested in how you would solve this problem binners.
gobuchul is a western extremism and he has just as much zeal as any islamic extremist and the same ability to take text out of context and manipulate it to justify his views.
got you down to a tee there Gob.
same ability to take text out of context and manipulate it to justify his views.
got you down to a tee there Gob.
Really?
What extreme views have I expressed on here?
You can bet your life many of the early muslim settlers here came to be rid of all the religious bullshit, most of those I've met can no longer be asked with it all, any more than I can with the Catholic church I married into but was refused entry unless I complied with BS I had no intention of agreeing to.
But then more came, then more, then they started building Mosques, then with that came peer and no doubt mullah pressure and we know the rest..
IMV it's absolutely for certain the jihadi thing has some basis in sexual frustration of youf, heck we had our victorian young men couldn't wait to go of and fight for honour and bollox to show their manliness to the simpering females of the period, in fact didn't that carry on until WW1?
It's been managed badly, there should have been more encouragement to integrate, even down to the stupid clothes they now wear more often than used to be the case. Just today I drove by two primary schools on the way to work and couldn't help noticing the young Ghurka wives and how well they and their kids are turned out. They are a friendly bunch not sure what religion, probably Buddist or Hindu most of the men folk naturally are soldiers Garrisoned near where I now live, like everyone else we have round here Chinese, Caribbean, half of Eastern Europe, they mix in and rub along, there are no Mosques round here yet, but you could bet your sweet bippy if there were, the root cause of all the evil would be upon us.
However, if the same personalities had been subject to the teachings of the Koran then they could of been extremely dangerous.
So every Muslim in the UK is potentially extremely dangerous? More so than Christians?
Rubbish.
I'd be more interested in how you would solve this problem binners.
All the pandering to one religion, just because they're more shouty, and beardy and potentially explodey, needs to stop, We're a secular democracy, start acting like one, by affirming our values properly.
It is a two way street. You get to build your temples and worship your god, free from persecution. But theres a quid pro quo. You respect the rule of law, and acknowledge that that is where supreme power lies. Laws laid down by our democratically elected representatives, and enforced by a fair and transparent judicial system. Your god isn't 'betterer than anyone elses, and he/you don't get to make the rules.
And in a democracy, you do not have the right not to be offended. Neither does anyone else. Deal with it!
I read recently that many Algerian immigrants to France actually left that country to get away from the Islamists who had taken control of Algeria post French Colonialism. The irony now is that the Franco-Algerian community in France is a breeding ground for extremist Islamists, the children/grandchildren of the very people who fled such nuttery for a free & secular State so their kids wouldn't grow up in a world run by such butters.
EDIT: Not butters 😳
So every Muslim in the UK is potentially extremely dangerous?
That's basically the opposite of the point I was trying to make.
Any organisation will have members who go a lot further than the vast majority of it's members. It doesn't matter if it's a football club, a business or a religion.
I gave up scuba diving regularly years ago as both of the clubs in my area had a distinct minority, who just made it a pain in the arse for everyone else. They enjoyed the "club" and the rules more than the real reason for it's existence.
If you are so inclined to be a pain in the arse jobsworth in a small club, or a workplace you generally just piss a few people off.
If your "club" tells you must kill people who leave then you become more of a problem.
I know it seems a strange analogy but it works for me.
You respect the rule of law, and acknowledge that that is where supreme power lies. Laws laid down by our democratically elected representatives, and enforced by a fair and transparent judicial system.
Spot on. Now which religion has representatives in Parliament? 😉
The vast majority of Muslims want to live in a country like that too - if they didn't, they wouldn't be here.
Funny that you typed this before telling me to piss off and calling me a troll 🙄
When I was a kid at school, I had a mate who's parents and their friends were pretty mental when it came to religion. Now these were educated professional people but by all accounts their "prayer group" was pretty full on. Speaking in tongues and all sorts. Way more "extreme" than what was preached in Church on a Sunday.
FFS your views are so extreme even the atheists argue with you and defend religion. you are just as intolerant as the Islamic loit though you stick to swear wirds and insults rather than killing.
Binners sums up my view on you as well
the scary thing is, he isn't trolling. He actually believes this shit
I dont know how you canot call gobuchuls views extreme and its reasonable to point out you are not that well informed on the religion you are criticising
Anyway dissenting voices from the "liberals" must be mocked
dislike all religions Check out this Buddhist for example and quiver
then the Lords resistance army etc .
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-30930997
Now which religion has representatives in Parliament?
I would guess all of the major ones in the Commons.
There was a Muslim in the House of Lords before he was booted out for antisemitism.