[Closed] Boris Johnsons latest speech

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Keep telling you the man is EVIL

A transcript. However I'm not sure its the whole lot.

[url= http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/stupid-poor-people-are-stupid-and-poor-says-massive-blonde-haired-child-2013112881538 ]A summary of his speech[/url]

Yeah but he's a total ledge - good old Boris - lol etc. 😐

Total Cockwomble

It's people like him who are a perfect example of those who have a very high IQ, but are really effing stupid.

I'm not sure he's ever even taken an IQ test, I certainly don't think he'd have gotten into Oxford without the Eton education. Thus I'd like to think he's scared to take one.

If he's so desperate to be PM (which he so obviously is), then send the **** to do his electioneering in Toxteth. Lets see how he gets on

Hasn't the link between iq and wealth been entirely discredited?

Katie Price is worth 45 million.

DezB - Member
It's people like him who are a perfect example of those who have a very high IQ, but have no common sense.

FTFY

I'd rather than an intelligent smug prime minister, who pretends we don't know exactly whats going on.

I think they've repeatedly proven the link between attending Eton and subsequently developing a horrendous sense of entitlement/Napoleon complex, where you consider it your birthright to be running the country though

IQ and intelligence are not synonyms...

This one is so outrageous that I'm starting to wonder whether Boris is a left wing troll planted by labour.....

Sadly though, aspirational voters/Daily Mail types are probably lapping his words up as gospel.

I think they've repeatedly proven the link between attending Eton and subsequently developing a horrendous sense of entitlement/Napoleon complex, where you consider it your birthright to be running the country though

Hmm, I thought that link was Primrose Hill Primary School?

Edit: full speech transcript here:

http://www.cps.org.uk/events/q/date/2013/11/27/the-2013-margaret-thatcher-lecture-boris-johnson/

A highlight being:

[i]All they have to go on is Russell Brand and the BBC and what their teachers tell them. They weren’t around in the 1970s. I was, and I remember what it was like and how this country was seen. Our food was boiled and our teeth were awful and our cars wouldn’t work and our politicians were so hopeless that they couldn’t even keep the lights on because the coal miners were constantly out on strike, as were the train drivers and the grave-diggers, and the man who was really in charge seemed to be called Jack Jones. I remember how deserted London seemed, as people fled to Essex or elsewhere, and the stringy grass and the spangles wrappers and the bleached white dog turds in the park, and the gust of Watneys pale ale from the scuzzy pubs.[/i]

[i]It's people like him who are a perfect example of those who have a very high IQ, but have no common sense.[/i]

You haven't fixed it, you've said the same thing. As has ransos.

is it true he wants to have his floating airport called Margaret Thatcher International?

🙂

good luck with that borris, maybe his IQ is infact quite low

His description of life in the UK in the 1970's is spot on.

All they have to go on is Russell Brand and the BBC and what their teachers tell them. They weren’t around in the 1970s. I was, and I remember what it was like and how this country was seen. Our food was boiled and our teeth were awful and our cars wouldn’t work and our politicians were so hopeless that they couldn’t even keep the lights on because the coal miners were constantly out on strike, as were the train drivers and the grave-diggers, and the man who was really in charge seemed to be called Jack Jones. I remember how deserted London seemed, as people fled to Essex or elsewhere, and the stringy grass and the spangles wrappers and the bleached white dog turds in the park, and the gust of Watneys pale ale from the scuzzy pubs.

his floating airport

This confirms his stupidity. There are so many things wrong with this idea.

I'm not entirely sure the Tory party can claim credit for the death of the white dog turd.

Ah Boris, Boris. I like him, I'd like to go to the pub with him, and I reckon he'd be a valuable member of any cabinet- any party- as long as he didn't have any direct responsibility. But you wouldn't trust him to make his own breakfast, he'd cut off both his hands with the butter knife then blame Ken.

Our food was boiled and our teeth were awful and our cars wouldn’t work and our politicians were so hopeless that they couldn’t even keep the lights on because the coal miners were constantly out on strike,

I completely agree with him. Complete equality is simply not possible, some people will always do better than others, it's just how it is. At no point does he use the phrase "too stupid". Tell you what, next time you go to the doctors instead of seeing a well qualified intelligent person you can see Thickie Mcthickster who still picks his nose and eats it.

Easy to tear Boris a new one from your keyboard, I'm sure he's gutted.

Its a straw-man, NO-ONE is arguing for "complete equality", just a reduction of inequality.

Jools, medicine is a notorious profession for "thickies" getting jobs based on who mummy and daddy know.

I was at an Oxford college dinner once where me and my friends met a woman who genuinely made us worried about ever needing neurosurgery. Rumour had it that she'd failed her A-levels once and had gotten an Oxford education because daddy had made a donation.

At no point does he use the phrase "too stupid".

But he does talk about there being high IQ types at the top of the cornflakes packet and low IQ types at the bottom. In other words inferring that IQ and status are linked. Which kind of overlooks that the distribution of wealth in this country still approximates to pretty much the share out by William the Conquereor made to the Crown, his nobles and the Church.

just a reduction of inequality

Keynes wanted a reduction in the inequality of people as well:

Hence the enthusiasm of John Maynard Keynes, director of the Eugenics Society from 1937 to 1944, for contraception, essential because the working class was too "drunken and ignorant" to keep its numbers down.

[url= http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/feb/17/eugenics-skeleton-rattles-loudest-closet-left ]http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/feb/17/eugenics-skeleton-rattles-loudest-closet-left[/url]

Keynes wanted a reduction in the inequality of people as well:

not sure i follow your point? or is this Godwins law?

Poor old Keynes though, contraception has probably had the effect of reducing the numbers of children born to educated families in comparison to the ignorant working classes he so loathed.

The distribution of wealth is this country, does it need distributing then, which bit would you like? Yes there are cracks and yes it's not perfect but largely here you are fed, watered, warm and dry. Compare that with oh, I dunno, around 90% of the world and I can't see what anyone living in the UK would whinge about. Even the bottom cornflakes have cars, homes, TV's - You know all the trainspotting intro stuff.

He forgot the Sweenie and the Professionals. Other than that, spot on.

No they don't and with current trends all the housing will be bought up by the 1 percent as an investment.

You are saying that people should be happy with the lot given to them by their masters because it's a lot worse in other parts of the world. This stinks of the kind of tory 'know your place' elitism that I am so used to dealing with.

+1 for Boris. I lived through the 70s and they were awful. If Thatcher hadn't saved us I hate to think where we would be today 🙂

but largely here you are fed, watered, warm and dry.

I'm sure you could say the same for the slaves o nthe plantations in the West Indies, but I'm not sure its a great indicator of human values.

which bit would you like?

Personally, I'd just like a fair crack at the pot along with everyone else. Unfortunately that is a very great distance from what happens and for politicians that expound about the market and how it finds equilibrium left to its own devices its a bit rich given that at no point have they ever been exposed to genuine market forces in their lifetime, nor have their ancestors in recent history. Try checking out their lineage and perhaps read up about the telephone number sums being bandied about in the current Lawson case. These are not things to which you or I or our children or their children, or their childrens children can aspire.

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There is a link between income inequality and corruption and others have argued that there is a link between equality and good growth.

So it seems that Boris wants us to be a bit more like vast swathes of Africa. Corrupt and shit except for a few of warlords who have everything.

I'm not so sure I am saying that, there are plenty of self made people in this country who do perfectly well and haven't had their "lot given to them" but instead earned it through heard graft. "All the housing being bought up" sounds like stirring up hatred for anyone who does well and buys property. I don't begrudge people what they have or what they've achieved or imply they only got there through special advantages, unlike so many people. What about people like Donald Gosling, Richard Branston, James Dyson etc etc. People talk about the rich as though they are a separate species when in reality they are people like us who often sacrificed a lot to achieve what they have. I cannot stand the politics of envy.

From what I remember, everytime Boris appeared on "Have I got News For You" with informed, intelligent, erudite, articulate people, he came across as a total thicko. Just saying.

Haha Jools is one of the Mail reading aspirational voter types. Let's ignore the stats and rock out Branson as an example.

How do you feel about British homes being bought by chinese investors Jools?

Nope I link to cats not the mail, shit sheet it is. I do aspire though, I'd certainly like my kids to achieve more than me in what ever way they choose to and I want a better life for me and mine, should I apologise then? See now there's the thing people simplify complex issues and think they've scored. What chinese investor exactly, what if that investor bought a house here but also started a factory in the North East employing 500 people would they still be undesirable? What about the Chinese stuff all over your house(I expect) OK to buy their cheap stuff but screw them investing in the UK property market.

Nothing wrong with that apart from the fact that you support someone who will make that harder for you, as I doubt you have millions or the connections.

No, investing in property to rent out to your children. The profits of which they funnel back to China.

I didn't vote for Boris or for Red Ken before him, but anyone who says you're limited in this Country is spouting bollocks and just hasn't seen the world. The worst thing these bastards have done is price normal people out of education, I protested, how many here were there too I wonder?

Touche, you never went to public school mate.

I was there and they won't stop at education.

My wife did and her dad went to Eton, he's a lovely bloke who works like a donkey for charity and so on, which is why I get a bit annoyed about Eton = Bastards. Life is just not that simple.

Lots of people are limited in this country and anyone who says they're not is spouting bollocks and hasn't thought about the effects of income inequality.

Some food for thought on The Glasgow Effect:

http://www.bridgingthegap.scot.nhs.uk/health-in-scotland/the-%E2%80%98glasgow-effect%E2%80%99.aspx

He's done his job - deflected attention away from the increasing inequality gap.

As I've said before, the most dangerous man in UK politics - a rabid, hateful right winger who's dearest wish is to increase the wealth of the his own kind at the expense of everyone else.

A vile human being in every respect.

Boris proved on HIGNFY that despite the best education money can buy, reading off an auto cue was beyond the level of his abilities. I wouldn't trust him to run a bath!

Also, it's Eton not "Eaton". Pleb. 😛

Ha I never went see, I'm from Brixton!

Tom_W1987 - Member

Also, it's Eton not "Eaton". Pleb.

It's 'my friends and I' and 'received', not 'me & my friends' & 'gotten'.

'Gotten'! Jesus H Corbett, I bet you say 'swap out' & 'cook off' too, don't you?
First against the wall when the revolution comes.
Double 😛 .

C'mon Rusty keep up, it's (high but) falling income inequality.

Disposable incomes have fallen since the start of the economic downturn, with average equivalised income falling by £1,200 since 2007/08 in real terms. The fall in income has been largest for the richest fifth of households (6.8%). In contrast, after accounting for inflation and household composition, average income for the poorest fifth has grown over this period (6.9%).

Being Boris, I am surprised he didn't slip that in anywhere!!!

Yeah well, call that my desperate attempt to not sound like another hooray. 🙂

It's not really working, is it? 😀

Anyway the speech confirmed my opinion of him as a crypto-fascist. His latest rant sounded like a national socialist beer hall meeting.

Donald Gosling, Richard Branston, James Dyson

Wasn't Richard a member of the mighty pickle dynasty?

Seriously, Richard Branson is hardly a rag to riches story. He was the grandson of a Lord and High Court Judge FFS. Besides, Virgin a particularly ruthless business, they are getting very fat off dodgy NHS contracts. Like Apple they do a very good job of pretending they are so "right on".

He forgot the Sweenie and the Professionals. Other than that, spot on.

RIP Lewis Collins.

...and he (RB) did suffer a Stowe education 😉

All virgin do nowadays is hoover government subsidies! Richard Branson is a gold-plated, tax dodging **** of the highest order!!!

This thread is getting boring. Where are all the usual left wing suspects? Still down t'pit I guess! 🙂

All virgin do nowadays is hoover government subsidies! Richard Branson is a gold-plated, tax dodging **** of the highest order!!!

I'm not so sure I am saying that, there are plenty of self made people in this country who do perfectly well and haven't had their "lot given to them" but instead earned it through heard graft.

They do exist, but they are largely an aberration. And it suits lots of people to propagate the myth of being 'self-made'. Dig a bit deeper and it's often utter bollocks.

Social mobility in this country is extremely poor. Your parents' income is still the best indicator of your likely income.

Boris just suggested he is going to do absolutely bugger all about that if he becomes PM. In fact he seems to welcome it, unsurprisingly.

Teamhurtmore

OECD kind of says otherwise

The biggest myth in politics is that right wing policies somehow enable social mobility.

They do the exact opposite - that's what they're designed for.

However, there are so many idiots of the 'I borrowed a pair of boots to walk 15 miles to vote Tory' variety that the right are able to get away with it.

The present government is stuffed with self-made men, isn't it? Oh.... Erm.... Hang on a minute....

Grum is correct a few get through but it is very few but it gets overstated in the "you have to be in it to win it"
What it ignores is that millions and millions dont.

Most are born of wealth and they retain it for their offspring as they pass on all the advantages that wealth gives to them.

Yes, his social mobility thing is shocking. I mean can you remember when we last had a PM who was not a bloke, was a scientist, didn't read PPE, didn't go to public school, wasn't upper/upper-middle class....

....oh wait a minute. Beware of what you wish for Grum, old chap!!! 😉

I crawled 15 miles on bloodied stumps, having not eaten for weeks, to vote Tory?

Hora to the forum please? Repeat: hora to the forum please?

You correct Tom and it will be interesting when they update the figures to illustrates the same period as the ONS, won't it?

But to their credit, they do have some very good analysis of the causes of inequality. Probably won't go down well on here though.

I still think we live in a country of the haves and the have mores, not the haves and have nots. As I said not perfect but generally if you're born in the UK you win before you've started. Also does anyone really think there is any appreciable difference between left and right in British politics.

When we get a decent representative of the left, I'll let you know.

At the moment, there is no 'left'.
There is no choice, just various shades of blue.

You mean right and more right?

Teamhurtmore, the point being look at the long term trends.

I don't find much really to dislike in the ONS report. I guess you mean the stats about hours worked.

Yes, his social mobility thing is shocking. I mean can you remember when we last had a PM who was not a bloke, was a scientist, didn't read PPE, didn't go to public school, wasn't upper/upper-middle class....

Middle-class people can be awful human beings too. And 'she' presided over inequality skyrocketing to previously unimaginable levels in the 80s.

I still think we live in a country of the haves and the have mores, not the haves and have nots. As I said not perfect but generally if you're born in the UK you win before you've started.

Yes generally pretty much everyone in this country is very lucky and we should all appreciate that more.

That doesn't mean we should just gladly accept massive social inequality though. There's all sorts of evidence showing that healthy, happy societies are more equal ones - and it's better for those at the top too.

Never mind the fact that he actually said that greed and envy are positive things. What a tool.

Middle-class people can be awful human beings too.

Obviously all lower-class people are awful. That goes without saying.

No the reasons why income inequality has risen, why it is rising fastest among nations previously known for being rel equal (the Scandies), the lack of causality with governments/political parties in power... That kind if stuff. The factors don't fit the STW narrative that well.

Grum, do you count jabber John as being middle class?

Middle-class people can be awful human beings too. And 'she' presided over inequality skyrocketing to previously unimaginable levels in the 80s.

I know shocking isn't it. And then we get a bloke, who isn't a scientists, read PPE, went to public school, was upper/upper-middle class and those bloody income inequality figures improve. Funny old world.

Probably got nowt to do with them though hey!?!

the problem is you would need to persuade us all that reducing income inequality was one of CMD primary aims in office and that may well be rather difficult.

Its interesting to claim an artefact of the depression/recession as a success for him tbh and policy wise ,IIRC, the lib dems increased the threshold, ghe reduced top rate tax and aopposed a mansion tax,

Perhaps you could highlight his great struggle to achieve this political goal and all his speeches on this ?

The stats dont lie on what has happened but it would be disingenuous to claim it was a Tory/Cameron ideological goal [ or a labour one these days to be fair]

do you count jabber John as being middle class?

Which is more important? Reducing inequality, or making the poor better off?

Lets say, as a hypothetical situation, that:

option i) the poor end up 30% better off, but the rich end up 100% better off
option ii) the poor end up 10% better off, but the rich end up only 5% better off

Which would you prefer?

Which is more important? Reducing inequality, or making the poor better off?

The two are exactly the same thing because "Poor" is usually defined in relation to average earnings.