[Closed] Body Positivty

Not comparable. You may or may not crash a mountain bike, and in any case a brief stay in an orthopaedic ward can't be compared to a lifetime of chronic ill health resulting from poor lifestyle choices.

You may or may not crash a mountain bike

Incorrect. There are only two types of mountain biker. Those who have just crashed, and those who are going to crash. And to quote my mate, "Rich, **** knows how, but you manage to be both!"

Faulty logic. Even if you do crash and sustain an injury that requires treatment, the long-term health benefits from being active outweigh the overwhelmingly negative outcome associated with eating too much and doing too little exercise.

Tying yourself in knots trying to equate dyslexia and house fires (FFS) with eating too much shit food and not being active - hey, very inclusive, but that really does make no sense.

lifestyle choices
Classy 👌🏼

I'm not trying to argue with you, just being facetious.

I couldn’t give a **** either way about somebody’s weight so long as I’m not pissing away my taxes on the inevitable detrimental effects of their weight..
I lived in East Asia for a bit. It used to appall me...

Well, I don't think you pay taxes to support American singers or East Asian folk, so keep not giving a whatever it was.

Where does this leave gentlemen who ...admire... the curvaceous ladies?
Who, perhaps have a penchant for the fuller figure?

It's a minefield I tell you.

Time was, an offer of chips and gravy after the nightclubs had shut was pretty much a guarantee of a snog in the doorway of C&A while waiting for the last bus...

It’s quite clear what I’m saying, Drac, are you being deliberately obtuse to gather STW brownie points?

No, you claiming it was normalised for them. You’ve absolutely no idea how they felt, what they considered normal other than your own  prejudice.

Nothing to do with prejudice. Everything to do with the ill health they'll be suffering for a huge portion of their lives as a result of the fat they consider to be 'normal.' The same fat that's imposing a massive, ongoing burden on the NHS I'm sure you were all out clapping for on Thursdays through the spring and summer. That same fat that significantly worsens your prognosis if you contract Covid19.

I think somebody’s had a case of coyote morning with a chubbo in their past.

Faulty logic. Even if you do crash and sustain an injury that requires treatment, the long-term health benefits from being active outweigh the overwhelmingly negative outcome associated with eating too much and doing too little exercise.

Because it's well documented that everyone who is overweight is 100% guaranteed to have health problems which are a massive burden on the NHS and which you don't want to pay for, whilst no-one ever sustained life-changing injuries from coming off a pedal bike that they were riding for fun.

a snog in the doorway of C&A

Best euphemism ever.

I think somebody’s had a case of coyote morning with a chubbo in their past.

😂

Jesus fellas, the stories I could tell about attempting to trap off in a Northern town in the 80s and early 90s...

Snogging in the doorway of C&A is not a euphemism, it was an actual venue for said activity, as was getting off with a girl by offering to buy her some chips.

In later years, we used to joke about the young people we worked with being conceived round the back of C&A, and 'shagging up against the bins' became quite a persistent meme in the town.

I really should write a book, although I fear it would not be received well in these more, thankfully, enlightened times.

I’m reading as she’s saying the opposite. She’s saying that body positivity has been hijacked by some some who be considered to fit in with the norm. She is saying that it is Ok if you feel happy with your weight. You know accept the risks it comes with it and not have to feel you need to be slim.

Awesome - can people stop judging others for being high functioning wino's then? 😀 How about stopping the war on drugs?

https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_briefs/RB4549.html

To give that study context, a lot of class A's are less harmful than booze.

Awesome – can people stop judging others for being a high functioning wino’s then?

Please do.

How about stopping the war on drugs?

Discussed many times on here.

Please do.

Well, as long as all of our friends with excess adipose tissue are down with a free for all libertarian utopia, I am as well.

It'd save the NHS a lot of money.

Here you go watch this and think about why some people have issues.

Stopping the above will save the NHS money if that’s your concern.

The war on drugs hits the working classes and certain ethnic minorities the hardest - and a big driver of that is caused by the video you posted above (ACE's).

People are arseholes though, everyone else's vices are a problem except theirs. Hence why it is culturally acceptable to drink alcohol but not to smoke pot. People like you and certain other members of singletrackworld who hold relatively unbiased opinions are a minority.

the stories I could tell about attempting to trap off in a Northern town in the 80s and early 90s…

If it’s all the same, you’re alright, thanks.

Son! Why don't you call round this weekend, Oh yeah, it's not allowed...

It wasn't like this...

Yeah but everything was cooler in the 80's though wasn't it.

Coke and Quaaludes vs Fentanyl

F-14's vs Reaper Drones

Reagan vs Trump

Thatcher vs Boris

Public Enemy vs Mumble rap

Climate change was for idiot hippies instead of being an existential threat gnawing at the back of your brain.

The apocalypse would have been a short entertainingly brutal affair, unlike Covid.

****, even Star Trek is better than Star Wars now.

People like you and certain other members of singletrackworld who hold relatively unbiased opinions are a minority.

I certainly didn’t at one time but talking to others and reflecting on my own experiences, I drank very heavily at one time, made me realise not to be too judgemental.

This thread has found its way again a bit, but some posts really made me sad. One of my exes had a completely unexpected and absolutely savage bout of pneumonia and almost died, lost a lung in the process. I guess she's a size 18 or so now. Imagine telling her she's being selfish/wasting NHS resources and just needs to exercise a bit more and eat less.

Everyone has their own struggles, and they're not all visible.

crikey

Where does this leave gentlemen who …admire… the curvaceous ladies?
Who, perhaps have a penchant for the fuller figure?

He thinks he's the first to mention this doesn't he..?
I'd PM you a link to the aforementioned (it was) video, but it appears to have disappeared from the You Tube.

Popping in to the post having read the article, it does seem a bit of odd wording. For me it reads that people who she doesn't see as big/fat/whatever enough are using #BodyPositive which was something that was aimed at larger folks. I think the context is that it was meant to make larger folks feel that you can be body positive without being then and now thinner people are using it and it's diluted the message. If you're a size 20 and trying to send a body positive message, is it diluted by a size 14 doing the same? Maybe

The wider picture around overweight/obese people is a much bigger debate. I do think normalising obesity is a dangerous game, but I also think that attacking those who are heavier isn't a huge help either. The message almost needs to be that you don't need to hate your body, but you do need to be aware that you could be doing yourself harm by being that size. The message also need to be that (in the vast majority of case) you can change things to lose some weight.

This is not to touch on the social and educational (and many other things too) factors that mean the person is overweight in the first place.

I think you’ve pretty much nailed lunge.

all you drunk, stoned, fat, petrolheads with an penchant for extreme sports, nice clothes and big beards need to be a bit more socially reponsible.

I'm giving myself a right talking to later, despite not having a beard.

I’m giving myself a right talking to later, despite not having a beard.

Hope my taxes aren’t used on you should you cut yourself badly with your DE razor.

If you’re a size 20 and trying to send a body positive message, is it diluted by a size 14 doing the same? Maybe

Is it? I don't know. That seems to be what she was asserting. Is the Black Lives Matter message diluted if brown-skinned people also adopt it?

Assuming that to the case, what's the size 14 to do instead? #BodyNeutral? #BodyAlrightISuppose?

It's all a bit "it's my ball and you can't play with it" really. Inclusivity is not built on the shoulders of exclusivity. Here be TERFs.

Inclusivity is not built on the shoulders of exclusivity.

When I was a kid we had this thing of "we're all equal, it doesn't matter if you're gay/straight/brown/white/fat/thin, it's just your talent and personality that matter".

We've kind of rebounded 180 degrees from that (what now seems to be) rather naive position, and now the exact and precise categorisation of your identity seems more critical than anything else.

I mean, I get not wanting body-beauts using the tag to basically pat their own egos on instagram, but I find gatekeeping between different levels of overweight in this way baffling.

Nothing to do with prejudice. Everything to do with the ill health they’ll be suffering for a huge portion of their lives as a result of the fat they consider to be ‘normal.’ The same fat that’s imposing a massive, ongoing burden on the NHS I’m sure you were all out clapping for on Thursdays through the spring and summer. That same fat that significantly worsens your prognosis if you contract Covid19.

My experience of people with weight issues is probably quite typical, my missus certainly struggles and it's deep rooted psychologically. People with prejudices like those on display above (and you are prejudiced) tend to reinforce those problems with their flippant, unthinking comments. While sufferers and their loved ones end up trying to address underlying mental health issues before they're able to usefully tackle the weight...

I take "body positivity" to be a broader thing than just not being gittish to overweight people, more a general call for all body types to be treated as nothing worthy of comment or exception; scars, skin colour, amputations, weight, etc, all irrelevant deal with the person not their appearance...

But it does seem to have been interpreted by some (particularly in the fashion and advertising world) as "we'll included a plus sized model in the campaign and tick that "body positivity" box". They've just missed the point.

Body positivity is certainly not telling people to "pretend obesity is normal" more a request that if you are an instinctive oaf who takes issue with any aspects of other people's appearance and likes to voice your opinions just STFU, as you're probably doing more harm that good...

Or as I'm sure your Mum will have said at least once when you were growing up; "If you can't say anything nice, just say nothing at all.".

It's really quite simple.

Quite. Well said.