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I have seen an abattoir and farm kills.
I’m going to invite all the hicks to the farm for a bit of a cull.
Bring yer hick mentality and some combats, swizzle yer baseball caps and kill em’ all.
Take some pics, post online whilst standing over your prey like a trophy.
Same shit, different colour innit.
🤦♀️🤷♂️🌬
Jesus, just had the misfortune to watch a CO2 pig slaughter video (Australian, so probably upper end of practices). I'd take a bullet any day of the week, and yes, I've seen what bullets can do.
I N R A T S and hopefully already said:
Hunting the goat is legal and it's a speices that needs controlled. This one appears to have had a good ife and death.
Are a those objecting to it carnivourous pet-lovers or vegans? Inverted snobs?
If the former, have they looked into animal suffering in UK agri-business?
Nobody eats “baby” lambs – there’s no real meat on them. Most of the “lamb” you eat looks to normal people like a sheep and is probably much nearer a year old.
I realise it varies and the definitions are probably a bit flexible, but that's not my understanding.
Encyclopaedia Britannica says:
Lamb: live sheep before the age of one year, and the flesh of such animals. ... The meat of sheep 6 to 10 weeks old is usually sold as baby lamb, and spring lamb is from sheep of five to six months.
However, even if the lamb were closer to a year, that is still a very young animal and it is explicitly named and advertised as such.
So I think my point about moral relativism and double standards still stands: people complain about (what appears to be) a fully grown goat being shot and then go home to tuck into baby animals.
wild sheep and goats are a lot cleverer....
I’ve no idea if these Scottish sheep are the same
Of course they are, they're Scottish. Kind of disappointed they couldn't outwit some camo-clad American gun freak though
Wow, what a hero... 🙄
There's no contest between an animal and a moron with a rifle....
I have no issue with hunting for food or culling purposes, but as a sport? Get real.
If you want a thrill do something that is a challenge instead. If you want to shoot, go to a range or fire up your Xbox.
Leave the culling to the professional estate management.
What I WOULD pay to see would be like-minded hunters pitted against each other on a reserve. That could classify as sport worth watching. You could have bare hands, knife only and rifle categories. Winner!
It is not a wild sheep, it has obviously been sheared within the last few months.
Maybe it just went to the baaaarbers.
FFS, they are introduced pests. If some dumb foreigners want to pay to cull them, it's win-win.
I stand corrected over the CO2 issue, IIRC I was remembering words promoting it rather than an honest description of the process.
There was a TV programme a few years back looking at more humane ways to kill people as an alternative to the electric chair and lethal injection for capital punishment and CO2 and other gases were looked at. CO2 was the preferred as it causes ZERO distress. One experiment used a pig who could put its head into various sealed troughs to access food and each trough had different gases. It would eat at one until it either felt uncomfortable and withdrew or blacked out and often would not return to that trough. However there was one it repeatedly returned and it was the one filled with CO2. It would eat in the trough till it blacked out, was pulled out of the trough and left to recover, and as soon as it recovered it would immediately return to the CO2 trough to continue feeding until it blacked out. So the experience was obviously not an unpleasant one for the Pig, just the opposite in fact as it exhibited symptoms of euphoria, so it sounds like asphyxiation by CO2 is not an unpleasant way to go.
There was a TV programme...
..., so it sounds like asphyxiation by CO2 is not an unpleasant way to go.
I'm no expert by any means but are you sure this was co2 not carbon monoxide, one of the major dangers of which i gather i the lack of symptoms.
Just read this quote from the lady in question
"Nothing better than disconnecting from this social media-driven world and connecting back with nature.
Fair play, only you have a gun and technical clothing. Want to prove you’re a true huntress? Fashion your own weapons and clothing from nature’s bounty. Then go hunt some goat!
A similar problem, but a stoatally different answer..
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-45975295
I’m no expert by any means but are you sure this was co2 not carbon monoxide
Or Nitrogen.
wobbliscott. Your recollection is almost 100% correct, apart from one tiny detail
http://www.documentarytube.com/videos/how-to-kill-a-human-being-2
37 mins...... it rejects CO2. but is happy with inerts (N2, Ar, etc.)
What we need is some trophy hunters who go after the real introduced pests who have no natural predators. Seven billion and counting...
Fashion your own weapons and clothing from nature’s bounty. Then go hunt some goat!
Pretty sure that's illegal here.
A true hunter cares not for your foolish laws!
What we need is some trophy hunters who go after the real introduced pests
Grey squirrels?
Rabbits.
A true selfie,look at me-me-me huntress does not care for your foolish flaws #camoupstayawesome
What we need is some trophy hunters who go after the real introduced pests
Hipsters
Or jockeys. Their numbers have exploded since Prince died.
There is nothing odd about killing an animal and then eating it.
Travelling thousands of miles to kill a harmless and defenceless animal and revelling in the beast's death is beyond odd however.
Travelling thousands of miles to kill a harmless and defenceless animal and revelling in the beast’s death is beyond odd however.
As opposed to rearranging that sentence into
killing a harmless and defenceless animal and transporting it thousands of miles to <span style="font-size: 12.8px;">revel</span> in the beast’s death is beyond odd however.
To describe my comment that I really like roast Lamb for christmas dinner and the 50/50 chance it's from New Zealand?
This thread's reached the opposite of the vegan argument that you shouldn't' eat an animal you weren't prepared to kill, that we should only eat animals and not consider that they had to die in the process.
To describe my comment that I really like roast Lamb for christmas dinner and the 50/50 chance it’s from New Zealand?
Buy British then. It's only a few hundred mile for Shaun to travel.
It tells you where it's from on the packet.
Travelling thousands of miles to kill a harmless and defenceless animal and revelling in the beast’s death is beyond odd however.
For the thrill and and challenge like a Predator does innit.
From the BBC article,
"The animals, which have no natural predator, are classed as an invasive, non-native species in the UK, and hunting them on private land is not illegal.
Controversial culls have been carried out in some areas to reduce their numbers,"
Whilst I find the notion of travelling several thousand miles to shoot a sheep somewhat bizarre, I'm struggling to see the moral outrage here. It's as though people have suddenly forgotten where food comes from. (Vegetarian for pushing 30 years, for context.)
"The Larysa Unleashed website says the presenter "promotes the outdoor lifestyle, offering a taste of the adventure as she blossoms into a hardcore huntress."
Hardcore huntress? Dropped into the middle of a pack of hungry lionesses armed with a stick of celery whilst on fire would be a hardcore huntress. Bagging a sheep from 200 yards away, not so much.
Hardcore huntress? Dropped into the middle of a pack of hungry lionesses armed with a stick of celery whilst on fire would be a hardcore huntress. Bagging a sheep from 200 yards away, not so much.
Exactly. Don’t forget she was also well camouflaged in order to hide from the highly cunning and devious sheep
Don’t forget she was also well camouflaged in order to hide from the highly cunning and devious sheep
Surely disguising yourself as flora when stalking a herbivorous animal is more dangerous, no? It's like dressing up as a weak and injured antelope to go hunting lions.
Never thought of that. Maybe she is the ultimate huntress after all 😀
Bagging a sheep from 200 yards away, not so much.
Exactly it's like decideding to take up rabbit shooting then heading to Pet at Home bag your big trophy kill.
The latest photo doing the rounds is her proudly displaying a shot peacock.
Probably more humanely despatched than the majority of peacocks we eat. The proles roasting them of a Sunday know little of their miserable existence plodding slowly around the grounds of stately homes.
And the feral ones are very hard to track and kill. It's not like they have a massive, brightly coloured load of feathers and you can just stroll up to them with a bit of bird seed.
The more I think about the moral indignance around this, the more it irks me.
Unless you're a vegan
If I had a peacock, I’d name it Drew
The more I think about the moral indignance around this, the more it irks me.
Unless you’re a vegan
Me too. I still think its a strange thing to travel all that way to kill a sheep and goat but the moral outrage from many meat eaters is laughable.
If I had a lazy, unemployed goat I’d name it Billy Idol
Or Nanny McFreeloader
If I had a panther I would call it Samantha
If i had a haggis I’d call it Gonnysh...
If I had a sheep I’d call it Ulysses S Grant or Baaaberella
If I had a sheep I’d call it Jeff
If I had a pig I'd call it Kevin
I see what you did there.
the moral outrage from many meat eaters is laughable.
Its not about the moral outrage as such. Meat eaters don't tend to pop down the local abattoir and pose over the dead carcass of the cow they're going to be eating
I can accept the arguments for culling etc, but it's the boorish "look at how awsums I am" posing that grates.
There's **** all skill involved in bagging a goat on islay and it's not something to boast about.
Meat eaters don’t tend to pop down the local abattoir and pose over the dead carcass of the cow they’re going to be eating
Maybe they should? Might give them a sense of focus before they go bleating away on the Internet.
it’s the boorish “look at how awsums I am” posing that grates.
So you are happy for them to do it as long as they dont take pictures, ir if they do, its fines as long as you dont see them?
There’s **** all skill involved in bagging a goat on islay
Have you tried it? Not been to Islay myself but have shot a goat in NZ.. doesnt need a lot of skill but a bit, it also involved a long day walking in the hills
Have you tried it? Not been to Islay myself but have shot a goat in NZ.. doesnt need a lot of skill but a bit, it also involved a long day walking in the hills
Can't be bothered looking for it but someone posted a photo of goats on Islay and they were about 5m (that's metres, not miles!) from the road.
How far do you reckon she had to go to stalk a peacock?
I am a meat eater and I have turned live animals into food with my own hands ( and help from a chap with a shotgun) Cow to cow pie. Also quite a lot of harmless crustaceans and seafood but I'll tell you this - scallops fight back and fight nasty. 😉 Much more dangerous than a sheep.
does this mean I am allowed to comment or not? I have rather got lost in this moral maze
I can accept the arguments for culling etc, but it’s the boorish “look at how awsums I am” posing that grates.
There’s **** all skill involved in bagging a goat on islay and it’s not something to boast about.
Hmmm, I felt the same way about the gloating photos, but then I remember that occasionally I throw a line over the side when I'm sailing. Even more occasionally I catch a fish of some kind, cook and eat it. If I do I *always* post the photo on FB. There's little skill and almost no work in catching Mackerel. (Or not the way I do it.)
I'm not at all convinced that's any different. I don't even have the excuse that my career requires it.
Can’t be bothered looking for it but someone posted a photo of goats on Islay and they were about 5m (that’s metres, not miles!) from the road.
You could do the same with red deer and people who stalk and shoot them dont get the same amount of grief on social media..
That peacock pic is proper special mind! I understand why people dont like the pictures but the outrage over a goat and a sheep being shot is laughable considering how most of them go and then when you dig a little some on here are just upset cause she took pictures.
TBF it looked like it deserved it.
You could do the same with red deer and people who stalk and shoot them dont get the same amount of grief on social media..
Bloody rats with antlers! Yeah, there are days I've had to push them out of the way. The ones in Glen Muick were terrible for that.
Its not about the moral outrage as such.
If that is the case, then WGAS and the whiners need to get a life.
It appears to be moral outrage, FFS there's a question about it in Scottish Parliament!
It tells you where it’s from on the packet.
Thanks to some ludicrous rules, a lot of NZ lamb gets shipped over here and packaged. You're then at liberty to say it's originated from the UK. So at best you're guaranteeing that you're supporting the british meat packing industry, but not the farmers.
Talking of lamb farmers were on telly again complaining about Brexit uncertainty and how little their sheep are worth, why is lamb so bloody expensive then?
I could pay a farmer £60 to shoot one and I't be much cheaper!!!
TBF it looked like it deserved it.
If people have a problem with strutting around gloating I'd have thought they'd be delighted at the Peacock getting its just deserts.
Thanks to some ludicrous rules, a lot of NZ lamb gets shipped over here and packaged. You’re then at liberty to say it’s originated from the UK. So at best you’re guaranteeing that you’re supporting the british meat packing industry, but not the farmers.
BS, link please.
She can do one back to USA and hopefully not darken our door again. Fair enough... animals may need culling. A bullet well aimed will do a very neat and quick job without undue suffering to the animal. Great.... there are plenty of folk who professionally shoot animals for this purpose. Just don’t need her and her cronies displaying it with big smiles and all the hunting gear then offering the images up to the internet. Publicity seeking narcissist trying to bolster her pseudo celebrity status. Maybe I’ll start offering up all of my electrical services CAD drawings to the internet that should go down a storm.
I just find it pathetic really. The land owners or whoever she paid for the hunt privilege should have bloody well told them to keep their uninteresting and imo barbaric gloating to them selves or no more highland hunting.
I do a bit of fishing but never photographed the fish with a pouty over my shoulder pose.
The Union Jack flag in the Red Tractor logo confirms your food has been born, grown, prepared and packed in the UK.
Err seems to contradict you drac - care to quote rather than link?
How many wild goats are there living on Islay? What impact are they having on the environment? Is the population sustainable? Who says they need culling?
Also this trophy hunting is killing the biggest, strongest animals. It distorts the natural populations, where you would have survival of the fittest, ie the weaker animals would do. So how does this affect the health and welfare of the animals.
Err seems to contradict you drac – care to quote rather than link
It’s not me it contradicts.
I do a bit of fishing but never photographed the fish with a pouty over my shoulder pose.
You're missing out.
Tesco getting caught with its pants down and apologising:
Tesco agreed to change the labelling of a frozen New Zealand lamb joint by supplier Acre Lane in August, after it was criticised for stating its country of origin was the UK.
<span style="font-size: 0.8rem;">A spokesman said at the time the label would be changed to read ‘packed in the UK using lamb from New Zealand or Australia’.</span>
https://m.thegrocer.co.uk/527007.article?mobilesite=enabled
Not illegal, just misleading. They can also sell mixed origin packs, so half your chops can come from Britain, the other half NZ.
Just don’t need her and her cronies displaying it with big smiles
You see I just dont get this. If you dont like animals being shot or killed then fair enough, but taking a picture seem harmless enough.
Ho. Ho. Ho. Merry Christmas!
Stupid woman...
Stupid person
That sex toy looks like it would be a bit discomforting if you weren't accustomed to that sort of thing.
What kind of world do we live in these people make me sick.
I’d shag her.
Wow.
I’d shag her.
#MeToo
#Me Three
^^ kinky
I don't know alpin.
There are many words to describe 3 STW'ers with a gun toting blond, a dead goat and a blood splattered sex aid. Kinky isnt the word that springs to mind.