[Closed] Blacklisted iphone..?

Makes a nice iPod if you put a sim in it.
Sorry nothing useful to add

Stolen.com

ALSO

Gumtree isnt an apple resller sô you didnt buy a brand new phone,

Could also be a scam by the new owner how ever came from gumtree so suspicions raised,

Nope, sell it on eBay stating must go abroad.

I assume you didn't collect it from his house?

Is this fencetrackworld ?

It took all of 2 secs with Google to find that link, so this is hardly secret squirrel stuff.

This place has changed.

Would be burning daily mails if it was how do i sell this stolen bike....

What's the difference between blacklisted and iCloud locked?

I just spoke to EE but they won't tell me if the phone is blacklisted or not.

The new owner said that it works fine over WiFi but no calls or texts.

Blacklisted has been reported stolen/missing and will be blocked from accessing any UK network

Blacklisted is network locked can't make calls etc.

Icloud is you ain't even getting it activated/into it.

And it's prob not stolen. Well not in the conventional way. The usual scam is get upgrade, sell on gumtree. Give it a week, declare stolen, get new phone. You now have £££ and a new phone.

Get the imei and go to checkmend.com pay your £2 n see what's occuring.

I think I've learned my lesson!!

I'll try and get my money back from where I got it from but I'll have to refund the buyer regardless... 🙁

Would it get any money on eBay with disclosure?

Yeah spares repairs. Have a search you'll get the idea.

Could any of these 'local' phone shops do anything with it?

[i]Could any of these 'local' phone shops do anything with it? [/i]

"I've got this phone that was reported stolen, can you get it working for me?"

🙂

"And it's prob not stolen. Well not in the conventional way. The usual scam is get upgrade, sell on gumtree. Give it a week, declare stolen, get new phone. You now have £££ and a new phone."

So stolen then !

I have no idea why someone who has any brain capacity would buy a brand new iPhone off Gumtree. Really???

I'm sorry it might not tickle the moral bone of some, but I've paid nearly 400 quid for a phone which it turns out is blocked, I'm refunding the person who bought it from me, I'll be trying to recover the money I paid. However I'm a bit old to go around beating people up these days so if I'm unsuccessful, I am going to try and recoup the money I laid out somehow.

IANAL...but, I think it's frowned upon to sell something that is stolen.

I don't think it matters that you were not the original thief, or involved in the crime...you're still handling stolen goods.

I suspect that selling it on to get your money back would still be a 'crime'.

I'm sorry it might not tickle the moral bone of some, but I've paid nearly 400 quid for a phone which it turns out is blocked

blocked because its been stolen.

by rights you should probably hand it in to the police and hope you don't get done for handling stolen goods... 8)

Would be burning daily mails if it was how do i sell this stolen bike....

This

I have no idea why someone who has any brain capacity would buy a brand new iPhone off Gumtree. Really???

and this

caveat emptor, buyer beware

My mrs bought a new iPhone form an unofficial reseller but we called Apple from the shop to confirm it was legit / unlocked. fyi phone was bought in Paris and had been a vodafone replacement in the uk. OP you could have done the same by getting the IME code from the gumtree seller

I think I have the answer for you Loddrik - I have just been told you've won a massive cash prize and I am the agent for handing it to you. All you need to do is send me a handling fee via PayPal gift.......

If it's on EE's list report it to them with any details for who sold it to you, if it's the upgrade/report stolen scam then they should know by the imei number who got the phone and the replacement. At least you can get it linked back to the seller.

Here's the checkmend report. Doesn't say stolen on it.
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What does the stuff on See Full explanatory notes on PAGE 2 say?

Possible the original owner never paid their bill so the network blocked the phone and sim. They then sold it on for a juicy payday.

Ever blocked: An amber result indicates that the device being checked
is has been blocked during its lifetime by one or more GSM/LTE
network operators worldwide. This is important as, if a phone has been
blocked during its lifetime it may affect your decision as to whether to
purchase or handle it. Network operators generally block phones because of
loss or theft reports made by subscribers.
Currently blocked: A red result indicates that the device being checked
is currently blocked by one or more GSM/LTE network operators
worldwide. Network operators generally block phones because of loss or theft
reports made by subscribers. This is important because you want to know if a
device may stop working if you travel abroad. If a device is blocked it may also
impact its value.
Note that mobile phones/devices shown in the "Ever blocked" category but not
"Currently blocked" may still be blocked by some network operators as the
networks are not compelled to unblock them depending on the reason for the
unblock. Any device that has been blocked historically should be carefully
checked for proper functionality. We strongly recommend that blocked phones
should not be traded as they are generally blocked only due to loss or theft
reports. In either case you may be trading stolen property or cause a theft to
occur by the act of trade.

The chap who bought it said that it wasn't EE who blocked it, even though it's locked to EE. Doesn't make sense to me...

The phone belongs to the person who took the contract out, not the operator. They can't - shouldn't - block it for non-payment of a bill because it's not theirs to block.

The SIM, on the other hand, is very much their property.

Are you sure flaperon ? If you get a £500 phone on a £50 pm contract and never pay how is the phone yours ?

So the phone is blocked but iCloud lock isn't on.

Which is worse from a potential buyers perspective?

Icloud. It's basically an expensive paperweight. And whatever the seller says he's lying only the network can block it. Shoulda bought one from me 😉

I have no idea why someone

I have no idea why someone would spend such a daft amount of money on a mobile phone made by a bunch of tax dodging human rights dodging bleeps 😛

jambalaya - Member

Are you sure flaperon ? If you get a £500 phone on a £50 pm contract and never pay how is the phone yours ?

I think in this case the network will not unlock from their end (ie use on their network only) until the end of the contract. After this they will for a fee.

Are you sure flaperon ? If you get a £500 phone on a £50 pm contract and never pay how is the phone yours ?

The phone is yours from the moment you sign the contract. It's basically a gift. If it still belonged to the operator, then any fault would be the phone company's problem to fix. If they couldn't fix it quickly, you'd be able to leave the contract early.

It's usually buried in the terms and conditions somewhere but they make clear that the phone is yours. I've used unreasonable price-hikes in the past to cancel 24 month contracts six months in and kept the phone under this argument.

* caveat: I have no idea how this works with the O2 thing where you pay separately for the phone.

If it still belonged to the operator, then any fault would be the phone company's problem to fix.

Any fault [i]is [/i]the phone company's problem to fix (assuming that's who you bought it from). SoGA 101.

Any fault is the phone company's problem to fix (assuming that's who you bought it from). SoGA 101.

Yep. Worded my previous reply badly. The phone is independent of the contract, but SOGA still applies.

Could it be blocked through multiple failed attempts to unlock the phone from the original network?

On Android buried in the menus is an option that shows how many attempts remain to network unlock, assume iphones have a similar menu.

Nope.

It was sealed when I bought it so can't be that.

I guess it'll have to go on eBay as 'brand new iPhone for parts or repair with no iCloud lock' and hope it fetches a half decent price...

I appreciate this might sound a bit random but, has anyone tried ringing EE to see what they have to say?

They wouldn't give out any details to me.

I got an EE phone recently and it said in the contract details that I didn't own the phone until I had paid the monthly fees for a few months (6 IIRC) so I doubt it was the original sellers phone to sell on. EE might want it back as if the contract was the same EE own the phone still.

Just looked up an old FB conversation I had with Orange (part of EE) which I had when I bought a blacklisted iphone from here (owner didn't realise and all sorted with no fuss). It was blacklisted by Tesco (O2).

Orange's response when I asked if they could unlock it was that the IMEI, SIM or mobile number would have been blocked therefore I was not able to use on our network.

It (the blacklisting) can be removed but only for the registered account holder. (we tried this but the owner was unable to get hold of the account details so refunded me).

Based on this any chance of you getting hold of the original owner? Otherwise it looks like you are a bit stuck. I'd say sell as parts and you should get decent money (check what similar items have sold for on ebay).

Would jailbreaking get around the block and allow the phone to be used?

WTF is that site all about..

Gathering stolen iphones to break for spares from people who have bought stolen phones from dodgy sources id imagine.

Must be quite hard to report an already stolen phone to the police as being stolen from the new owner whos bought it from the fence.....

" whats the imei number sir"

" its xxxxxxxxx"

" thats already been reported stolen and blocked "

"Oh"

Fwiw the phone I have is not stolen or lost. At least according to checkmend.

so why is it locked?

Not exactly

Yourcheckmend isnt rosy...

"Ever blocked: An amber result indicates that the device being checked is has been blocked during its lifetime by one or more GSM/LTE network operators worldwide. This is important as, if a phone has been blocked during its lifetime it may affect your decision as to whether to purchase or handle it. Network operators generally block phones because of loss or theft reports made by subscribers.

Currently blocked: A red result indicates that the device being checked is currently blocked by one or more GSM/LTE network operators worldwide. Network operators generally block phones because of loss or theft reports made by subscribers. This is important because you want to know if a device may stop working if you travel abroad. If a device is blocked it may also impact its value.

Note that mobile phones/devices shown in the "Ever blocked" category but not "Currently blocked" may still be blocked by some network operators as the networks are not compelled to unblock them depending on the reason for the unblock. Any device that has been blocked historically should be carefully checked for proper functionality. We strongly recommend that blocked phones should not be traded as they are generally blocked only due to loss or theft reports. In either case you may be trading stolen property or cause a theft to occur by the act of trade.
"
The stolen lost being clean means nothing as that means reported as stolen or lost by anyone other than the operator as when reported lost or stolen by the operator they block the, as per your check mend report....
"
Lost: A red result indicates that the item being checked is currently reported to us as lost, other than by a network operator.

Stolen: A red result indicates that the serial being checked is currently reported to us as stolen, other than by a network operator. Note that outside of the US the FBI NCIC dataset is excluded.

"

Its dodgier than a string bag of fish im afraid..