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Got a family wedding to go to in New York in a couple of months, and found out it's Black Tie.
Where did you buy your suit from?
Not really wanting to hire one, but don't wanna break the bank either...
Two sugars.
Slaters in Manchester are inexpensive and decent enough. Just make sure the bow tie you get is real and black - not a clip on.
Might be worth exploring whether it would be cheaper to buy one when out there, certainly if off the peg, or if bespoke then how long it takes to make the suit.
Friends have bought ex hire from http://www.lipmanandsons.co.uk and they looked good.
As you're going to be in the colonies, make sure you do it properly. None of that American rubbish. Keep the British end up, what!
Hire one out there.
Hire one out there.
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Marks and Spencer came up trumps for me, smart enough and fair qualify for the price. Give how often I wear a suit it'll serve me well.
Just had a look at M&S. Lots of choice there and you can even get something for less than a ton. Keep it simple, so single breasted, single button, simple white shirt with buttons covered, black bow tie (tying is kinda like tying a shoelace except around your neck), flat fronted slacks with a simple bead down the side, NOT a braid, nicely polished black derby shoes (NO patent for chrissakes 🙂 )
Egads! DD is right!
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M&S is a good suggestion too.
I went M&S. Their sizing is a bit 'Italian' though so be prepared to size up a bit
I'm guessing as the OP is ex mil, he'll have no problem getting his shoes shiny enough anyway. 🙂
Oh, and go to a store to try one on. It's rare that something will fit off the peg. With M&S you can (usually anyway) mix and match blazers and slacks. AFAIK, they do tailoring in store as well so will alter sleeves etc.
Wear a kilt, a prince charlie jacket, wing tip collar and black silk bow tie. Americans will fall over themselves to buy you drinks and tell you of their "Scotch-Irish" ancestry.
You'll never feel better dressed in you whole life.
If you are not going to use it much after the wedding,then just hire the gear across there.It also saves you having to haul it there an back,so you have more room for [s]bike bits[/s] souvenirs 😉
^this. Percheypanther wins the thread!
M&S are good. They even do a few affordable slim fit cuts, unlike much of the rest of the low end stuff which seems to be cut for someone with a BMI above 35.
DONT hire / buy a suit out there. American suits are awful. Especially their 'tuxedo's'
I'm guessing you've asked friends / acquaintances if they have one? I lent mine to my brother (tthew on here) as they are used so rarely he only needed his for a prize giving thing
Is it proper black tie? If so then it's a white tux jacket not black and you have to wear a proper bow tie. A proper tux is single button too. Shoes should be Oxford style not brogues and I'm pretty certain they should be patent style. Don't forget your pocket square.
When you buy one, either get it from somewhere that will 'make it fit', or buy it and then take it to somewhere that will 'make it fit'.
Nothing worse than a badly fitted suit.
Weddings are not black tie. Tell them that, and wear a suit.
I've never been to one in America but have been in hotels there plenty of times when there has been a wedding on. Not a single one hasn't been black tie. They're mad to get into a tux-eeeee-do, them septics.
Since decent advice above. A few things for black bow ties use a shirt with a normal collar. Also for a better look get a bow tie in your correct neck size rather than an adjustable length one.
Finally yanks have zero style so go and show them how to do it properly.
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I've two, a traditional shawl one and a more modern navy one. Both John Lewis, one about 60% the cost of the other.
I find the circles I move on these days hardly require a suit, let alone dinner jacket.
Some good advice up there, esp from DD though he has failed IMO on the shoe front: Oxfords, not Derbys. Other than that, crack on.
ETA: shirt collar should be turn-down, not wing-tip. Unless you're serving the wine....
The key to good black tie is to keep it simple, don't try to do anything unusual: No coloured tie/cummerbund combos, no wing-collared shirts, no waistcoats , no braces..... Just keep it simple.
Most blokes bought their Tux a few years/inches ago - so having a new one that fits properly will pretty-much guarantee that you're the best dressed person there.
Trousers a day shirt from M&S and find a good jacket, picked up a really nice one a while back in the sales.
Subsequent to omitn's post, I had thought that the difference between oxfords and derbys was that derbys were plain fronted and oxfords had the toecap. Apparently it refers to the way the shoe is structured at the bottom of the lace. I'd expect legal types and stationary sales reps to know this sort of thing, so while I feel a little shame, my time in suits is too long ago. I'd still go for a plain fronted shoe but yes, Oxford type lacing/stitching, but derbys if your footsies are as wide as they are long. 🙂
Wot perchypanther said. Wimmen love a man in a kilt.
Of course, it does get a bit tiresome when the auld wimmen keep trying to lift it up.
'What Would James Bond Wear' is your phrase.
Buy one here, 'murican stuff is terrible. Marcella fronted shirt (golfball), NOT a wing collar, self-tied bow tie in black, cummerbund in black if worn, smart black shoes.
Own it and you'll look like you dress that way every night.
dragon - MemberFinally yanks have zero style so go and show them how to do it properly.
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May not be the cheapest but probably best value if they have your size: http://www.jaegeroutlet.com/Dinner-Suit/285749Z,en_GB,pd.html?dwvar_285749Z_color=00100&dwvar_285749Z_size=42R&start=1&q=Dinner
Midnight Blue is the new black
But then I have been known to wear a black tie rather than bow tie.
So take my styling tips with a pinch of 2nd division footballer ... 🙂
Tesco do them, had to get a new pair of trousers a few weeks ago. Funny how the old pair shrink in the wardrobe.
Nothing wrong with a garish bow tie (so long as it's a real one). Or so I tell myself. Mind you, I don't get many black tie invitations any more...
But black tie for a wedding is just wrong anyway. Is it really an evening event?
It's the US fashion - even call the outfit incorrectly as a tux, typically with wrong collar (wing with black tie, tsk).
This is an opportunity to show the Septics what style is... 😉
No comedy ties or cummerbunds. Self-tie tie, obviously.
No colour other than black, except for the lining. No Braid or velvet.
No wing collars except with white tie and tails.
Ideally the jacket should look well-used, as though you wear it regularly. Try to get a few custard and wine splashes on it.
You can divert from these rules if you are known as a "character" and have the personality to carry it off. Your dress needs to be more understated than you.
If in doubt, ask yourself what Jeeves would do... 🙂
You can divert from these rules if you are known as a "character"
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[b]CFH[/b] indeed... exactly
I used to have a dress shirt which not only was wing-collar but had a paisley back. 😳
My elder son wears it now - he will learn.
Ideally the jacket should look well-used, as though you wear it regularly. Try to get a few custard and wine splashes on it.
In a moment of need picked up a good second hand one down camden markets, got me through the NYE cocktail party last year
http://www.pakeman.co.uk/category/79/Eveningwear
Great, bit more But they will fit it to you and it'll last forever.
Get a Black cummerbund (folds upwards) and a self tie bow tie - as Stoats said show the yanks how it's done! Used to live out there and casually untying the bow tie produced astonishment
casually untying the bow tie produced astonishmen
I always make sure I give the ladies fair warning before undoing mine.... don't want any fainting now, do we ?
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OP, if want to [s]jizz[/s]jazz it up a bit, then, some rhinestone tips on the shirt buttons would be nice.
If you want the womenfolk, especially American ones, to swoon, forget undoing a bow tie. Tie one, properly, without a mirror.
Cue several ladies having a 'moment'.
A little diamond stud in the corner of the bow-tie would be nice too.
... In Nashville...
Cheers All...
Heading into Manchester on Thursday to have a look around.
And yes, I'll keep it simple..
I was invited to a black tie bash earlier in the year
£130 at debenhams was cheaper than most rental places and isn't too bad looking.
You won't care if you chuck food down it at that price
... In Nashville
Having been to a black tie shindig in Nashville, I can assure you that it wouldn't look out of place!