[Closed] Bizarre car question - A6 v Golf R?

I've got an A6, and a Golf GT. Now, clearly my golf isn't as fast as the R, however I love driving it, and even with my wife and two kids, I try to go out in the golf instead of the audi. The A6 just feels so ponderous, slow and too damn big on little roads!

What ingin in the Audi?

Does it have to be a new car?

If not have you looked at the RS4? Bonkers fast, room for your kit and a good one will leave you plenty of change from the £30k the Golf costs you. If you can find a decent example and get a private warranty you'll have your cake and eat it.

If not, get the golf and a roof rack.

2.0d Audi. Looked at the 3.0 biturbo but quite a bit more expensive.

To be honest, the audi was plenty fast enough, but I obviously wasn't grinning like a maniac every time i ran up the slip road to join a motorway! Even coming out of junctions was fun in the Golf!

A6 and Golf R were of particular note because there are some seriously cheap (in comparison to the value of the vehicles) leasing deals on, under £300 per month.

I don't care whether it's new or 10 years old. All I care about is whether I like it and whether the overall monthly cost to run it is good.

I've looked at used S4, RS4, 3.0 A6 and 530/535...but the big issue is warranty. All within my price range (ie same price or less than leasing new) are outside of manufacturers warranty. So when you factor in an insured warranty the price rockets for cars like that once they're getting a bit older. Insured warranty for older Audi rocket ships in particular are crazy expensive (i've been getting quotes of £2k per year!)

Something like an 08 plate A6 3.0 Quattro or 530d with 80k on the clock would come into the same price bracket.

I've looked at used S4, RS4, 3.0 A6 and 530/535...but the big issue is warranty. All within my price range (ie same price or less than leasing new) are outside of manufacturers warranty. So when you factor in an insured warranty the price rockets for cars like that.

A very valid point.

A6 and Golf R were of particular note because there are some seriously cheap (under £300 per month) leasing deals on.

That's a seriously good deal. Any catches you're aware of?

Absolutely none as far as I can see.

£250 for a metallic paint, DSG Golf R for 2 years. 5000k a year, but excess is only 7.2ppm. Deposit is £1800.

There's a couple of threads on Piston Heads about these deals. Seems to be offering unbelievable value.

A6 Avant 2.0 S Line (auto) is coming in at about £298 for 15k. Deposit is £2400.

Golf with a roof rack it is then!

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It sounds like you have already decided you would prefer the Golf. Go and buy it and enjoy it. A6s are nice cars and everything but the Golf R is exciting and life is too short.

If I could afford a Golf R is definitely have one. Can't really think of a car I'd rather have tbh.

Guy at work has the new golf r on that 250 a month deal...... Its bonkers fun to drive and fast as ****, Cheap.....if you accept youll be paying 250 quid every month for the next 2 years to rent a car.

My 7800 would buy a very nice car that would last many many more times those 2 years.

Horses for courses

Not terribly relevant to your decision, but I'll be leasing a Golf GTE next time if the lease price adds up. 'Free' commuting, minimal tax and most of a GTI fun-wise. Available to order from August apparently...

Cheap.....if you accept you'll be paying 250 quid every month for the next 2 years to rent a car.

I've been through that same battle in my mind. My current car was bought for cash and so haven't had a monthly finance/lease cost. But...it hasn't been without it's own costs. Being older it has needed money spent on it. Not £250 a month obviously, but enough that I've started to question whether £250 a month for a new one represents good value, a question that would have previously resulted in a definite "no" answer.

I didn't learn to drive until my 30's. Running a car is a cost that I feel more than most, it's alien to me.

But, stepping into a new A6 and Golf R today and knowing that they would cost me much less than £250 a month extra to run compared to my current car (working in savings i would benefit from in terms of tax, maintenance and fuel economy), it gained more weight as a sensible choice rather than just wanting a new car.

(i'm clearly just trying to justify buying a bonkers hatchback here, so humour me 🙂 )

I wouldn't buy the 2.0l A6, 3.0l would be nicerer but that sounds like a really good deal. £3k p/a wouldn't even pay the depreciation for the first two years if you bought either new. However, there has to be a catch...

BTW don't forget, it's not really £3k p/a more like a ~£5k p/a salary sacrifice.

WHY did you make me google that PH thread??!

Who is it that's offering the best lease deal, if you wouldn't mind sharing?

I had an A6 2.8 Quattro (2013 spec). It was very dull, very capable at long miles, but dull. The cabins are better than BMWs
I had a 530d BMW - and it was wonderful, by far and away the best car I have ever had.
Because of the vagaries of my companies car policy, I am not allowed %, so I have chosen a 330d. ~Which is a wonderful car to drive.

A6 - looks great on the drive - but is all about image rather than driving pleasure.
I actually nearly got another A6 - but the spec that was std for German company cars came out at 50K !!
I cannot imagine what they would be like with a 2.0 lt engine ....

Who is it that's offering the best lease deal, if you wouldn't mind sharing?

Of course!

The ones that seemed to be coming up with the best quotes were Vehicles Savers, National Vehicle Solutions and Central Vehicle Leasing.

I had a 530d BMW - and it was wonderful, by far and away the best car I have ever had.

Funny you should say that...I just said to mrs file that a big engined 5 would probably be best of both worlds, but I can't afford a new style 5 with a big engine and haven't driven the old style. Maybe another test drive is needed!

so I have chosen a 330d. ~Which is a wonderful car to drive.

I was sold on a 3 on paper, but when I sat in one (admittedly, after the A6 and 520) it just felt a bit meh.

A 335i was the top of my list for a long time.

Worth hunting one out for a test? I'd be looking at a 2008 to keep within budget.

Drive a BMW, and compare it against the A6 and Golf, then take the BM out again and put it in to a corner fast and accelerate hard out. Bet at at that point the A6 is a distant 3rd and the golf is still faster than the BMW, but less rewarding to actually drive. I know where I would go every time.

Ta 😀

In my experience, the size of the car is a huge factor in enjoyment on country roads. Too big and you can't go as fast as you'd like. And even when not trying to go fast a car the size of my Passat makes me slow down even more, on Welsh B roads.

I've got the gtd on lease and that's rapid, bet the R is fun!
Drop the front wheel out and bikes easily fit inside. Don't know if the Audi has a similar system but the vw active cruise control is brilliant, radar at the front matches your speed to the car in front. I barely have to touch the pedals on my 40 mile commute

Put it into sport mode and a 911 will struggle to keep up

Bless.

5000k a year

But you're talking about doing way more miles than that. Over 10k? So how much are you actually looking at paying?

Anyway, A6,5-series if you just want a nice car. Golf if you dont want to admit to growing up. The big Germans are cracking machines, but they are too big and cumbersome to offer the same kind of fun as a smaller hot hatch

I went through a similar thing six months ago, I needed a car to carry stuff but something that was also a hoot to drive. I didn't need both at the same time though. So, wifey has a Laguna estate to drive to and from the station plus cart all the bike stuff around, and I have a Lotus Elise.

I had an A6 2.8 Quattro (2013 spec). It was very dull, very capable at long miles, but dull. The cabins are better than BMWs

I looked at the Golf R lease deal and after 2yrs with mileage penalty I'd be better off buying a 9k car.

9k to RENT a car over 23months. Mental

Get the Golf, life's too short for regrets (and to drive a boring car).

Ive got a mk 7 gti on pcp and would recommend that as a middle ground. Not quite as fast but still as fun (with the performance pack) and still a chance of getting ok fuel economy ( i have heard the real world on the r is terrible) i get 36-38 with reasonably normal driving

and also read the pistonheads review of the r - they recon the gti might be the better bet

If they do the GTI on a good lease deal I'd be interested but paying 1.5k upfront alone for a rental is for idiots. £600 stomachable.

I looked at the Golf R lease deal and after 2yrs with mileage penalty I'd be better off buying a 9k car.

I've read your posts on PH hora. I'm not sure we're looking at this from the same perspective. Technically, I'd be better off buying a £1,000 car. But it won't be a Golf R.

9k to RENT a car over 23months. Mental

Not that mental.

Here's some man maths I did for the A6 on a bit of paper while sitting in Audi (so there may be errors!)

[u]Lease new A6[/u]

Monthly costs
50 mpg
£300 lease cost for 15k
£50 insurance
£20 servicing
£0 tax
£0 MOT
£150 fuel for 1,200 miles

£1,654 equity in (deposit)
£0 equity out

£5,935.25 total cost for 1 year
£11,870.50 total cost for 2 years
£13,524.50 total cost for 2 years including equity put in
[b]£563.52 effective cost per month of ownership[/b]

[u]Used A6 for £10k[/u]

Monthly costs
40 mpg
£200 loan cost
£50 insurance
£20 servicing
£50 warranty
£15 tax
£5 MOT
£188 fuel for 1,200 miles

£0 equity in
£0 equity out (on the basis that after 2 years, it will take £6500 to settle the loan)

£6,324.06 total cost for one year
£12,648.12 total cost for 2 years
£12,648.12 total cost for 2 years including equity
[b]£527.01 effective cost per month of ownership.[/b]

It will therefore cost me [b]£36 per month[/b] more to run a brand new A6, with no hassle of buying or selling a used car, and with fewer worries re repairs.

GOLF R. easy next question.

Man maths = skewering the results to fit in with 'want/must have

^ doesnt make sense. You own the 2010 car. Therefore you've skewered the cost.

You have a disposable asset.

Man maths = skewering the results to fit in with 'want/must have

^ doesnt make sense. You own the 2010 car. Therefore you've skewered the cost.

You have a disposable asset.

Show me where it is not correct.

With £10k of finance over a £10k, it's hardly a disposable asset.

You looked like you were getting really hung up on PH about the ownership aspect of this. I don't get it. It's a car, not an asset. It's a monthly cost to me.

Or are you suggesting I buy my depreciating "assets" with cash?

I think you're forgetting that the total cost of the loan to buy the £10k car would only be something like £10,700 over 3 years. At the end of that (outside fuel, servicing etc) then the total cost of the car would be the £700 in interest plus any depreciation the car incurred, say £4k.

So that's a total cost over the 3 year period of the loan of £4,700 (£1,560 a year or £130 per month). That's a lot less than the £300 per month lease deal for the new car.

Wouldn't bother with a warranty on a second hand car, there's too many opt out clauses for these companies to get out of paying up.

A 2010 car may not even lose 2k a year. Its plateau'ing out interms of depreciation.

Plus a mountain biker- you ARE going to accidently score the car plastics. Even if its only three times in two years. The worry/thought at back of your mind. Some lease companies have strict handback conditions in the T&Cs as they are protecting their invested residual.

In your car. No problem. Thats priceless to me.

I think a 2010 Audi A6 would depreciate more than £4k in 3 years. I'd think at least £2k p/a. Both mine did.

In your car. No problem. Thats priceless to me.

That's incredibly short sighted.

Firstly, lease handback condition is governed by fair wear and tear, they can't just make it up.

If you cause £200 of damage and they bill you for it, not having to worry about that or pay it isn't priceless, it's £200.

Secondly, what do you think happens to the residual value of the car you own and will need to sell if you cover it in the same scratches?

Firstly, lease handback condition is governed by fair wear and tear, they can't just make it up.

Surely though you would only ever choose to sign a contract with a lease company that was?

Regardless of the "maths" that has been used to calculate some of these figures, losing £4.5k a year over 2 years is a ridiculous amount of money to waste.

Also, the idea that the 10k Audi will cost you the same £9k over 2 years as the cost of a new one represents a fundamental lack of understanding in the used car market.

are you suggesting that I buy my depreciating "assets" with cash?

This made me laugh.

Peterfile. No.

For example Citroen leasing is one manu who have their own terms. ANY stone chips on bonnet -it says they will charge for a bonnet respray at their set charge. No touch ups allowed. They may or may not charge

Check the indivual leasing companies T&Cs contract wording. DONT take a verbal assurance. Two years time, who said it? If they are shy in sending you the terms pre agreement, go to another leaser

[s]losing[/s] spending £4.5k a year over 2 years is a ridiculous amount of money to waste.

Is it? Why?

I'm no fan of PCP'S. I tend to buy ex demonstrators cash and keep for ~5 years. The last one depreciated from £25k to £7k (trade in) in that time, so £18k over what was 6 and bit years for that car (A6). That plus routine maintenance, fuel, tax, insurance etc. That's why I can't see how the economics of the PCP's work as my previous A6 was very similar.

Either they buy at vastly reduced rates and sell at higher rates than I've managed (possible) are running at massive losses or they follow the Ryanair model and the 'buyer' is saving up future grief.

Also, the idea that the 10k Audi will cost you the same £9k over 2 years as the cost of a new one represents a fundamental lack of understanding in the used car market.

Enlighten me with your calculations then please.

Incidentally, I'm asking whether I go for an A6 or Golf R. I'm not that fussed what other people consider affordable/sensible in terms of cost. I would imagine we all have very different circumstances.

The issue here is that New v 2nd Hand then the 2nd hand car will always be cheaper - far, far cheaper if you do your homework and buy well.

Yet you have crazy people who will buy a brand new car (and suffer large lease charges or big depreciation) because their older car has needed a couple of things doing to it, or because the new car will do 10mpg more. Madness!

I've always bought 2nd hand performance cars, cars that when new cost 3-4 times what I've payed for them. In nearly 18 yrs of doing this, over a total of 6 cars owned I've lost a total of just £7,500 in depreciation - that's a measley £420 per year. One car even gained £400 in value. Never broken down (yet), and not much more than routine maintenance over this time too so no unexpected costs here either.

But if you absolutely must have a new car then that Golf R seems a very good deal so far as new cars go.

Why will a 2ndhand 10k car lose 9k in 2yrs?!

Running costs are additional.

All cars cost tax petrol tyres and servicing.

A 10k audi will be 7.5k asset in 2yrs to trade in or sell.

A 10k audi will be 7.5k asset in 2yrs to trade in or sell.

No it won't.

Enlighten me. Ive sold loads of my cars privately.

I prefer to buy privately too.

£300 per month on a lease car, then at the end of the lease you get nothing. £300 per month on a car loan to buy a £10k car then at the end of it you get a car worth £6k at the end of 3 years.

Hora, i keep trying to type a reply and your posts here and on PH keep flashing through my head and I end up just sighing and giving up.

You're right, you win.

The question is about whether I should go for a Golf R or an A6. Its not about how much is sensible to spend on a car, it really isn't. Perhaps you'd prefer if I bought a small house, a banger, a crap bike and didn't bother travelling to foreign lands on the basis that I don't need to? Then what would you propose I spend all the money I saved on? I don't even know why i'm entertaining this, i just can't seem to stop though 🙂

I've never bought a new car. My current car is 10.5 years old. I don't care whether it's new or old. All I care about is that I liked the ones I drove and they come well under (overall) what I'm comfortable paying out a month for running a car. My cash is tied up in a proposed buy-to-let, so there's no way i'm taking £10k out of that for a car.

Some of the posts above seem to be focussing on whether it is "crazy" to spend £300 a month on a car. Let me worry about that bit, it's my money and you've no visibility of my finances or circumstances.

If you want to have a look at value for money, do it on an objective basis. Is £250-300 a month good value for money for something that would cost £31-35k to buy?

It's really simple. You want a car you appear not to want to or can't afford to buy outright.

You're agonising over an underpowered executive barge and an overpowered pocket rocket/fuel guzzler.

The A6 with that engine will be just a nice, slowish place to be. Personally, I'd go for the 3.0l. For travelling round doing the sorts of things you (and I) do, it's probably perfect.

The Golf is great on paper but paying double? for every trip will soon grate and IMO, novelty will wear off.

I just went through this and ended up with a(nother) diesel barge. I wanted an E63. It made no sense for the sort of stuff you (we) do. Go and get the Audi. BTW, there's probably a good reason the two cars are 'cheap'...

There now. Happy?

The A6 with that engine will be just a nice, slow place to be. For travelling round doing the sorts of things you (and I) do, it's probably perfect.

The Golf is great on paper but paying double? For every trip will soon grate and IMO, novelty will wear off.

Having had the benefit of a good nights sleep, this is where i'm getting to.

Although still want to test a 2008 335 or 535...just to be sure 🙂

Well those Beemers can both get ~40mpg so not really so silly?

For a mountaineer with wanderlust, the biggest cost is travel (even for you living in in the middle of it). You'd be daft to increase that cost when you could use the 'saving' to increase the amount of activity. It's all about the mountains man, not driving to them ?

I've just been struggling to find any at dealers close to me that I can test drive.

I had a sit in an older 3 touring yesterday and was underwhelmed after having been in the A6 and 5 (obviously I suppose).

530 or 535 touring would seem to be a good bet, but they just never seem to pop up near me.

But your Merc is still going strong? So what's the rush? New car fever?

GR - almost the perfect car - bike inside (tick), 5 adults (tick), brilliant to drive (tick), anonymous/not showy (tick), easy to park (tick), practical AND fun (tick). Awesome motors if inevitably overpriced. They are worth the premium IMO.

It got through its MOT last month with not too much needing done, but some form of repair is almost constant now. Nothing particularly worrying at the moment, but always something. Mrs File works for a main dealer and they service it for me for cheap labour + beer and cost price for parts, so i've saved a fair bit. They've said that I really ought to be looking to replace it, there's a few bigger bills on the horizon and some significant signs of age. I've stuck 40-50k on it and it's been great, but it's becoming a hassle/frustrating now. I don't have time to tinker with it/have it sat in a garage, or I'd probably just stick with it for at least another year or two. I actually really like it!

So the obvious choice is a s/h 3.0l A6 Avant or 530/535 Touring. You might also have a look at the Vulva D5, that's what I ended up with. Though it's no drivers car, it's perfect for our game. I can get the tandem in the back with just the front wheel off which I can't in any of the obvious competition. 215bhp, ~40mpg, more toys than a kindergarten and ~£8k less than the others.... Just buy a balaclava ?

Putting aside the funding of the car, because frankly I don't really care how you fund it because you clearly can:

My limited experience was an A5 versus a 3 series, both new. The 3 series won on all counts. Far better to drive, gripped the road better, and my wife could actually reach the pedals. So on that basis, with those choices I'd say Golf unless you switch to BMW. Mine is a 3GT so hatchback and bigger than a touring - great for bikes and other big loads.

I have leased my last two cars, I have opted out of a company car scheme and work give me a car allowance, I then have to lease rather than own a car (not sure why?)

Bear in mind at the end of the contract you can px your current car against a new one. I am just about to end the lease on my current Passat, and rather than hand it back to the finance company, an Audi dealer is settling the outstanding finance and I am buying (again on PCP) a low mileage 6 month old A5 from them. So no issues with charges due to stone chips etc, most of us at work do this. This works if you are buying directly from a dealer, but I guess not as easy if you are buying from one of the online sites. I am getting finance elsewhere, but the Audi finance seems to offer a very low GFV so that you have equity in the car at the end of the contract to make it easier to switch to a new car, but then their monthly payments are a bit high.

Don't forget GAP insurance in your calculations. Probably around £150-200. My first lease car was stolen just before the end of the contract so I didn't need to claim on the GAP, but if it had happened a few months into the contract I would have been claiming £5k+

PCP suits some people and not others. Generally it is good if you want to drive a fairly new car, and look after it. The biggest downside is if you situation changes while you have the lease, as getting out of the contract will cost money.

A 10k audi will be 7.5k asset in 2yrs to trade in or sell.

It's a large 2.0 saloon, which will be 5-7 years old with 80-100k on it. You're looking at £4.5-5.5k depending upon condition/spec/colour. Regardless, and even including tyres at £500, you're still looking at a £3-4k saving over 2 years assuming no big bills.

That's £150 - £20o per month...or look at it another way, free fuel/tax/insurance for 2 years!

OP. You can get some great deals on used a 535i touring if you ask around. IME, BMW diesels return around 30% less MPG than quoted in real world driving. Turbo petrols are around 15-20% less.

Ah yes. If you want out of a straight fwd lease they want the balance paid in one sum/settled in full. Its not like other finance deals sadly.

Show me 08 A6 estates at 4.5k. I want one!

Op, I'm watching this thread with interest as I'm in a very similar quandary. A few years ago I opted for the mk2 focus RS over a larger Audi estate/vrs type car and I'm so glad I did-I still enjoy driving it and gives so much more driving pleasure than the other cars. The RS is now 4 years old and I'm in the market for a 4wd car. Till the golf r came along I was planning on the a4 3l Quattro black, but the golf r is the car I've always wanted! Here's the problem. I hate vw garages. Vw glasgow south laughed me out of the showroom when I said I wanted to test drive the R, they said if you want to drive one you'll have to buy one! Nobs-considering there's a BMW and merc garage up the road where you can test 40k+ vehicles any day of the week!

Anyway, I'll be interested where you can test the R, and what you go for, as I'll be following your footsteps this summer!

With that attitude it must have been an Arnold Clark franchise?

Aren't they all affiliated to Arnold Clark somewhere down the line

Vw glasgow south laughed me out of the showroom when I said I wanted to test drive the R, they said if you want to drive one you'll have to buy one!

Well, perhaps I can help with that!

I went into the exact same dealership, had a look at the one in the showroom, asked for a test drive and was told pretty much the same thing.

I called up another vw dealership in Jordanhill (they're all Arnold Clark btw) and asked for a test drive. It was explained to me that i'd need to come in and do some figures, then I could come back a few days later and test drive. Regardless, I said I would pop down.

Turns out, none of the VW garages in the area actually have a demonstrator. The only one available is the manager's own car. Which is presumably why VW south glasgow get wound up...they don't actually have one and have to call in favours from VW west.

I sat down with an incredibly nice young guy called Conor who worked through the figures with me. I asked for a test drive and he explained that they often get the piss taken out of them by guys who just want to rag the boss's car around, however I didn't seem to be that way inclined and he'd go and try and find the car. Turns out the boss's girlfriend had it for the day, but they managed to get it to the showroom and I went out in it for half an hour or so.

During the test drive Conor told me some fairly horrid stories of some pretty awful sounding people in the car, including idiots getting it sideways and generally treating it poorly. Hence the resistance to just book anyone on a test drive without even speaking to them.

Call VW in Jordanhill and ask for Conor. He's a really really nice lad, I would have gladly bought a car fro him. He was excited as I was in during the test drive! He says he spends most of his day doing tests in 1 litre polos, so when someone half decent wants to take out the Golf R it's the highlight of his day! Sit down with him for half an hour, let him see you're not an idiot and i'm sure they'll give you the manager's car.

Be prepared for a faceaching grin though 🙂

It sounds like you want the Golf R if you can fit it into your lifestyle. So if you can go for it. I wouldn't listen to those who are tell you that you are throwing money away, which is almost always true of cars, but it's your money spend it as you want.

Plus a mountain biker- you ARE going to accidently score the car plastics. Even if its only three times in two years. The worry/thought at back of your mind. Some lease companies have strict handback conditions in the T&Cs as they are protecting their invested residual.

My works lease car went back after 4 years of ownership by me from new with no, none, zero marks on the interior. And actually no marks on the exterior either bar 1 5mm dent. If you damage the car your just being careless. My car had many many muddy bikes in it, travelled 80k miles and went off road on many occasions for work. If you are careful and look after a car you should be able to give it back or sell it in extremely good condition. However most people don't give a monkeys and treat their cars like crap, despite them costing tens of thousands of pounds.

When I bought my Golf R I had to wait nearly eight months for delivery. Had it for over three years now and it still puts a smile on my face every time I drive it. Build quality is not as good as the twin turbo 1 Series BMW I had prior. The beemer was only 205 bhp but averaged 50ish to the gallon. The Golf has been on the dyno and is 278.2 bhp standard. Use it and it drinks fuel at quite a rate. Normally under 20mpg with a best of 32 if it's nursed. Do I care? No, it's a superb drivers car, fits two bikes and gear .When it's wet you can still drive as hard as you want, it just gets on with it and is supremely safe. The new R is quite a bit more economical from what I have read, but I was told mine would average 30mpg. If you choose the Golf I am sure you will love it as much as I do mine. Here's mine 8)[URL= http://i.imgur.com/x655nCR.jp g" target="_blank">http://i.imgur.com/x655nCR.jp g"/> [/IMG][/URL]

....and have a look on drivethedeal before you part with your cash....

Robdob. You put the car up a kerb on its metal jackpoints infront of 20+ STW'ers.

I had an R, had a rack on it and carried 4 people and 4 bikes ok. Hated the DSg box but was a nice package. Not all that small inside either, seats down it wasn't a lot smaller than my rs4. That was a better car though.
If you fancy it then you will make it work. Is go manual personally. I've driven the new one but only on the track.

Definitely get the DSG. Manuals are shite. Dsg just so much fun to use, or not use depending on how you drive, never thought I'd use paddles but the wife has them in her GTi and they're great fun. Have DSG in both our cars. Wife will be looking to lease something in a couple of years time, I've already sounded her out as to getting an R if the prices are still reasonable then.

Someone left a Golf R outside my mate's house, be quick and bring your own wheels.

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I've had a variety of cars, including big and small and - latterly - various hot VAG-stable cars including an S3 and now an older Mk5 R32 (which feels like a steel frame hardtail does to a carbon full sus :)).

I'd go for the Mk7 Golf R all day long.

Have you looked at the M135i?

I did look at it, but that was the deal breaker 🙂

Considering none of the cars the OP listed are exactly that exciting (being all, at best, warm medium/large saloons) and being that driving in the UK is really no fun at all, i'd just get a 2.0tdi Golf, and spend the change on a proper nice mountain bike. (ie something i CAN ride as fast as I want, and something that will be 100x as exciting as any normal volume production passenger car....) 😉

I did look at it, but that was the deal breaker

😆

Is there a 2013 2.8 A6? I thought that was on the old model - the new one is low output or high output 3.0...

Yup - there are other countries that the UK
It was German car ... business packet plus ...
206 BHP , I believe

BTW - I would buy the Golf R!