[Closed] Big Hitter gets lifetime ban

Stoner is a pussycat!

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What we need is a league table of bans, warnings etc. Just so we can see how it's going 😉

Maybe there can be a strava mod to make it work for some Post Count KOM's

Stoner's a banker is he. I though he was a self employed brick counter 😉

Personally its easy to say but I hope the forum will be a more welcoming place without him (and will take less time to mod)

I'm sure he was a nice guy but the force to which he held his views on here was really difficult to handle for alot of people

juan, stop talking nonsense.

LoLing about stoner he's lush.

Might be other people who argue but point is TJ was warned, he even said so and admitted he argued to much and admitted he couldn't leave it. He's only himself to blame.

We all like to get our pov across but sometimes best thing is to walk away

juan, stop talking nonsense.

I look forward to seeing TJ on BikeMagic, he'll fit right in with the rest of us on their perfectly 😀

As I've mentioned Bike Magic (twice now), I'll no doubt get banned soon as it did seem to stick in the (sponsored by Singletrack) SITS commentators throat as he announced our Team member over the line and realised the cunning play on words we'd used as our team name...

don simon isn't even premier....

BAN HIM!

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I argued with him alot but he was good value.
I picked up his email address once and I hope I get a chance to banter or ride with him one day.
I'd love to have the helmet argument with him in person and see how it differed to all the many online ones we had.
I'm surprised with the Stoner comparison. Seems like a great guy to me and haven't seen anything nasty.

Stoner is both pleasant, and likes pipes. What's not to like?

I argued with him alot

negative use of the forum....

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Stoner's certainly a banker, just not [i]that[/i] type of banker.

Maybe all threads with more than three posts from any of TJ/Z-11/don simon/THM* should automatically get moved to a separate, hidden 'arguments forum' that only they can access. They could then carry on to their hearts content, with the bonus of them spending less time on the main forum because none of them could ever leave an argument.

*add or delete as appropriate

It's a shame but as Emsz said, it's hardly a suprise. Right or wrong, if you're taking up a lot of the mods' time then sometimes it's just easier to bring out the ban hammer (Copyright TJ).

I do suspect though that he'll actually be happier off here - some people did delight in winding him up just for the sport of it.

Stoners always been helpful in the threads I have seen

Bump.

This thread is still here?? wtf?

Good grief, I go away to do a nightshift and it all kicks off.

Anyone care to give me a summary of the previous pages?

[i] summary of the previous pages[/i]

TJ's gone.

Arguing continues.

[i]Anyone care to give me a summary of the previous pages?[/i]

I'd guess (cos I only got as far as my own comment on the first page)
-some people care
-some people don't
-a bit of arguing
-some bollocks

Interesting development no?
Have to say I'm a teej fan, his opinions and style I appreciated, didn't agree with him on most things but then thank god this is (was) a free country.
I miss elfin.

Can appreciate the mods trying to clean this place up, but think its becoming too sanitised.

Oh well.

Time for an alternative forum ?

I'm disappointed that he's gone and no longer able to announce his Highland camping trips.

I will now have to rely on luck if I am to be exercising my picnic loving dogs off the lead near his wild camping spots late at night.

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Can appreciate the mods trying to clean this place up, but think its becoming too sanitised.

STW a trail centre? 😯

Where do I park my VW's ?

Boo Hiss

Frankly this forum got worse when the Mleh lot departed, and progressively degraded as the Freds et al disappeared too. Totally accept the principle of "its my ball and I'm going home", but if TJ's offences are life time bannnings most forum in the world would have tumbleweed rolling through them.

As I said, if a particular poster ends up taking a disproportionate amount of the mods' (limited) time then I don't see it as unreasonable behaviour to try and stop that problem using bans. It is a shame it comes to that though.

I've often considered setting up a new forum with a 'no being a ****' rule and pretty much anything else goes but I suspect that it's not as simple as it appears, particularly to maintain or even to maintain the positives of this forum. Not to mention that you'd probably just end up with all the banned people from here on it while everyone else stuck on STW.

Juan - Stoner?? WTF?

Ban PhilConsequence for those bloody lolcatz.

I think it might be for the best TBH - he clearly gets very wound up/angry about stuff on here.

There are though several consistently unpleasant characters who remain unbanned, who delighted in what is essentially bullying. I hope you're proud of yourselves.

when the Mleh lot departed

Thought they'd all dragged themselves back one by one.

@clubber, you'd have to automatically exclude yourself from your forum. 😛

To misquote someone famous;

"I'd never want to start a forum that would have me as a member."

There are people on this forum who I've found downright rude, and TJ isn't one of them. It's a shame, I think.

Well I do find stoner's view about money being more important than people very disturbing and not nice at all. Should I be banned for having a different opinion?
To be honest this forum is really going toward "bnpness". I had to report a post 3 times with a formal e-mail to get it banned for xenophobia. This kind of post wouldn't have happened when elf and TJ were here.

Should I be banned for having a different opinion?
To be honest this forum is really going toward "bnpness". I had to report a post 3 times with a formal e-mail to get it banned for xenophobia. This kind of post wouldn't have happened when elf and TJ were here.

Juan - are you on crack?

[i]To be honest this forum is really going toward "bnpness".[/i]

really?

blimey.

I often wonder if the internet, particularly internet forums, have had a detrimental affect on peoples ability to communicate in real life situations. I'm sure that nobody on here would talk to others face-to-face in the same manner they do on here. But I would love to see some of the people on here try, just to see the physical outcome.

I argued a lot with Teej and I didnt much like being called racist by him but at heart he's a good bloke. Clearly couldnt let go of an argument, and knows it, but couldnt stop himself.

I hope he's allowed back, place will be worse without him. Fred however was a thoroughly nasty piece of work who we are well rid of.

Juan makes a good point. I always thought it would be a good idea to make both TJ and the elf moderators. Sounds crazy to start with but I actually think they'd both have been pretty even handed.

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deadlydarcy - Member

@clubber, you'd have to automatically exclude yourself from your forum.

I already have. And I banned you which is why you don't know about it 😉

Well I do find stoner's view about money being more important than people very disturbing

I find your complete failure to pay attention very disturbing. Stoner is the poster boy for work/life balance.

I actually think they'd both have been pretty even handed

LOL

stoner's view about money being more important than people

Your perception or actual fact ?

I find your complete failure to pay attention very disturbing. Stoner is the poster boy for work/life balance.

To be honest this forum is really going toward "bnpness". I had to report a post 3 times with a formal e-mail to get it banned for xenophobia. This kind of post wouldn't have happened when elf and TJ were here.

Whilst I don't really agree it is interesting that of all the people who do persistently argue, often unpleasantly, it's only two 'left-wing' posters that have had the perma-ban.

I'm sure someone will suggest that's because the lefties are so belligerent etc but as above, there are some pretty unpleasant characters on here who remain unbanned.

pretty unpleasant characters on here who remain unbanned.

Who? Or is this like Gluptons Law above?

grum - Member
.....he clearly gets very wound up/angry about stuff on here.

Actually he doesn't, and that's more than half the issue - TJ's more "out there" posts were for his own amusement/entertainment and he was indulging in some sort of tightrope walking game with the moderation policy....

..he's gone, meh

🙄 (TJ tribute eyerolly thing)

Given the moderation is mostly reactive maybe right-wing people are more likely to complain about left-wing ones than the other way around?

A few more lefties snitching to the mods might restore the balance?

Can someone just clear this up, because it's not entirely obvious.

He is still alive right?

Given the moderation is mostly reactive maybe right-wing people are more likely to complain about left-wing ones than the other way around?

Are you really trying to say that the moderation and/or reporting here is somehow driven by politics?

Genius! That's my top chuckle of the morning! 🙂

Y Darc, I think we should rename the glitch as BumpyTeeJGlitch, a fitting tribute.... ;-)*

*Edit - Oooh, Y Darc's comment was deleted! Another clear case of the political bias inherent in the system! Etc... 😉

Nothing really matters
Anyone can see
Nothing really matters
Nothing really matters to me...

Given the moderation is mostly reactive maybe right-wing people are more likely to complain about left-wing ones than the other way around?

To be fair, there was a pretty nasty tone to his comments. It's quite ironic because I have the suspicion TJ comes from "money". Raised in a pretty affluent suburb of Glasgow, and a few comments he's dropped here and there make me suspect his parents are/were wealthy. His lefty stance seems at odds with that. Self loather?

I've not read all this, but:

I can't believe that he's been banned (and has ben banned in the past) for arguing. It takes two (or more) people for an argument, so why aren't the folks he's arguing with banned too?

If he can't let a point go, it's because others don't either. Like any pub/work/internet bore, the best thing to do is ignore them when they start banging on past the point where anyone cares.

TJ can be an opinionated tool, but he's not vindictive or wilfully antagonistic. There are other opinionated, vindictive and wilfully antagonistic tools on here who remain ban-free. TJ's ban is ridiculous.

*awaits ban*

Teej was the biggest [u]REPORT-POST[/u] addict know to man......

[i]Are you really trying to say that the moderation and/or reporting here is somehow driven by politics?[/i]

not at all, was just trying to continue the 'moderators show policical bias' thing a bit 🙂

Jesus, my bump was de......

Who? Or is this like Gluptons Law above?

Zulu-Eleven for one - does nothing but troll political threads and attempt to needle TJ as far as I can see.

Has he ever posted one single thing about mountain biking btw?

Stoner is the poster boy for work/life balance.

Stoner has a fanboi! 🙂

Jesus, my bump was deleted?

As long as it's only [i]your[/i] bump getting deleted, eh? (You virile chap, you!)

😉

[i]Jesus, my bump was deleted?[/i]

Not Jesus, it was Mod moving in mysterious ways.

[i]Not Jesus, it was Mod moving in myserious ways.[/i]

*applauds*

He was the wind beneath my wings. Or something.

I thought that was me Mitch?

I wonder if these big hitters have a coping mechanism when the fuel for their ego is suddenly cut off?
I bet there's a shitstorm going down on a tandem forum somewhere right now.

Wwaswaswaseaseas 😆

No yeti, you're the mildew beneath my taters. 😕

I found TJ really blinkered and annoying mostly in the threads where i disagreed with him , on other occasions he could be both insightful wise and persistant often that was in threads where i agreed with him. In the Nuclear power threads i actually started out agreeing with him but because he kept the argument going and effectively forced others to justify and expand their points i ended up changing my mind so his beligerence served a useful purpose (insofar as any argument on the internet can serve a useful purpose)

He also made some really posative contributions to threads that required information or advise rather than opinions.

I do think the ban may provide some theraputic benefit for him but the converse may be some pub in Edinburgh has gained a new argumentative drunk.

I wonder if these big hitters have a coping mechanism when the fuel for their ego is suddenly cut off?

Do you really think this place matters that much to people, that it's a fuel for an ego?

I wonder if these big hitters have a coping mechanism when the fuel for their ego is suddenly cut off?
I bet there's a shitstorm going down on a tandem forum somewhere right now.

Elf sometimes 'replies to threads' via email addresses he's got off people's profiles. I think that's probably not 'healthy' behaviour.

Do you really think this place matters that much to people, that it's a fuel for an ego?

Seeriously though to me he came across as a bully. Much like a few others on here who are the main reason I've been a reader since GoFar dialup days but probably have a post count in the teens. Then again like any community there will always be overbearing personalities who have an overinflated sense on their own importance and the validity of their opinion. I just try and avoid them.

It's the reason I generally avoid interacting on any subjects where opinion dominates truth. I don't think many of the so-called 'big hitters' are deliberate bullies but sadly their behaviour tells a worse tale. The irony is that the reason their tactics feel like bullying is because they have the time and obsessive nature to continue arguing at infinitum whilst others (particularly newcomers) have better things to do and aren't so self-obsessed that they can't admit that not only is their opinion not actual fact but also that someone else's opinion may differ.

If TJ is reading this, and I'd be astounded if he isn't, then maybe he'll learn something. Sadly I doubt that he will...

You know he's reading this and foaming at the mouth

*waves*

If TJ is reading this, and I'd be astounded if he isn't, then maybe he'll learn something. Sadly I doubt that he will...

I bet there's a shitstorm going down on a tandem forum somewhere right now.

lolz...

It's the reason I generally avoid interacting on any subjects where opinion dominates truth. I don't think many of the so-called 'big hitters' are deliberate bullies but sadly their behaviour tells a worse tale. The irony is that the reason their tactics feel like bullying is because they have the time and obsessive nature to continue arguing at infinitum whilst others (particularly newcomers) have better things to do and aren't so self-obsessed that they can't admit that not only is their opinion not actual fact but also that someone else's opinion may differ.

This ^^

As a newcomer to this place my general opinion is that the long-termers on here are very strange people, but at least they are all contained in here.

TJ is out on his bike.

Hasn't TJ been banned for his persistent argumentative style not his politics?
Bad points
He would attack,belittle and denigrate others at times,but he's not alone in that is he?You could almost hear him waiting in the wings to pounce on some naive unsuspecting poster. Some took umbrage to this and then went on to attack him and wind him up at any opportunity.He then could not help himself and got into these long tirades with them despite the warnings.
TJ thought his opinion was fact and that a link to a Guardian article made that an incontrovertible truth.
He had a schizophrenic view on the law.

Good points
He is a cyclist and a staunch supporter of our cause
Many of his posts were interesting knowledgable and informative and I suspect many others on here broadly shared his "left wing" views
A lifetime ban is wrong,not even drug cheats get that-one of them even won the 2012 Olympic road race!