[Closed] Biased Broadcasting Company (Nick Robinson)

Did it have anything to do with the answers he was giving? In fairness I'd challenge most people to interview Gove without breaking his nose.

I'd challenge most people to interview Gove without breaking his nose.

Robinson has strong conservative ties. Guess he's just toeing the party line. Never liked the man, as impartiality is kind of needed in his job.

....but then as others have pointed out. It was Gove. So, maybe there are extenuating circumstances.

When Laura Kuensberg was accused of much the same thing all hell broke loose, and Sarah Montague on R4Today routinely gives Tories a soft ride.

Richie_B - Member
I'd challenge most people to interview Gove, the self serving tosspot, without breaking his nose.

+1

The BeeB is establishment. Most "presenters" on the Today/Toady programme wouldn't know journalism if it bit them on the arse.

I can't believe he didn't punch Gove. I'm going to write and complain.

In fairness I'd challenge most people to interview Gove without breaking his nose.

There's really no need to resort to extreme violence like that.

A hard slap is all that he needs.

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Was the remain politician using misleading and conflicting statements? Because every time I've seen Gove interviewed about the referendum he has, so it's quite right he's challenged.

I bet he cringes when he sees that picture.

[quote=flanagaj ]I bet he cringes when he sees that picture.

thats one of the better ones.

Did it have anything to do with the answers he was giving? In fairness I'd challenge most people to interview Gove without breaking his nose.

Faisal Islam interviewed Gove without breaking his nose. In fact as far as I'm aware Gove has never been physically assaulted during an interview.

As for bias the format of back to back interviews used by Sky and QT allows for a direct comparison, when there is onky one side as it where then its easier to see questiioning as an "attack". Personally I think the BBC tries ro be balanced, it doesn't alwqys achieve that

mrhoppy - Member

Was the remain politician using misleading and conflicting statements? Because every time I've seen Gove interviewed about the referendum he has, so it's quite right he's challenged.

Could be this, without stiring the pot too much, perhaps the problem Nick faced was the 'facts' the Leave camp use are often somewhere between Opinon, Guess, Misleading or just Lies, whereas Remain are mostly somewhere between Fact and Guess.

In fact as far as I'm aware Gove has never been physically assaulted during an interview.

Remain are mostly somewhere between Fact and Guess.

Wild speculation extrapolated over many years with no consideration of negative scenarios. Excluded the Leave campaign from having access to civil service thus making it difficult to obrain facts/data. Remain critised by Office for National Statistics (ONS) for using an immigration figure around 50% of reality

This is not a thread regarding how you intend to vote on Thursday, but more one regarding how biased Nick Robinson on the Today programme is. I listened to him last week interview a 'remain' politician and he did not ask a single challenging question, but put Michael Gove on for 'vote leave' and he is rude, dismissive ...

Was exactly the same during Indyref in 2014...

And the build up to the game last week on BBC was 95% England, 5% Wales. Makes Russia today look balanced.

it's probably just a matter of time.

What should we expect ? Common assault or full monty, ie shot and stabbed ?

Wild speculation extrapolated over many years with no consideration of negative scenarios. Excluded the Leave campaign from having access to civil service thus making it difficult to obrain facts/data. Remain critised by Office for National Statistics (ONS) for using an immigration figure around 50% of reality

In fairness they can just point out the window and say "look we're in Europe, and the sky hasn't fallen in, what more do you want?".

Yeah, the BBC make no effort to deliver balanced output...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/editorialguidelines/guidelines

And the build up to the game last week on BBC was 95% England, 5% Wales. Makes Russia today look balanced.

In fairness, John Humphreys does appear (to my ears) to give 'Remainers' a tough time on the Today show, so I'm guessing the presenters get to pick their own fights.. 😉

I thought it was pretty entertaining TBH. Gove got to put in all his propagandist voodoo economics and immigration paranoia, while Nick Robinson made him dance like a little bunny.

Everyone wins. What do you not like OP? 😉

What should we expect ? Common assault or full monty, ie shot and stabbed ?

Excluded the Leave campaign from having access to civil service thus making it difficult to obrain facts/data

Oh please, that is the most pathetic thing I've ever heard as areason why the leave campaign make shit up on a daily basis. I don't have access to bloody civil servants either, remarkably I can tell that "we give the EU £350 million a week" is made up bolloxs

In fairness, John Humphreys does appear (to my ears) to give 'Reaminers' a tough time on the Today show, so I'm guessing the presenters get to pick their own fights..

BBC are probably one of the more balanced news outlets, just on the basis that everyone thinks the BBC are biased against them.

Unlike newspapers.

Or American news - have you seen American TV news?

Given the history of infiltration of the media by the intelligence services, what's the likelihood that similar (and more advanced) methods are still being used?

If you want a real insight into what goes on behind the scenes, look into [url= http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2012/aug/09/brian-crozier ]Brian Crozier[/url]:

The intelligence expert Brian Crozier, who has died aged 94 after a long illness, was the ultimate cold-war warrior: a political vigilante who unashamedly cultivated a close, mutually beneficial, relationship with MI6, MI5 and the CIA, successfully courted Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan, and praised the dictators Pinochet and Franco.

In the 1960s, at MI6's suggestion, Crozier was approached by the Congress for Cultural Freedom, a CIA-funded agency that financed publications around the world, including Encounter magazine in Britain.
In 1966, with the help of CIA funds, he set up a British-based agency, [b]Forum World Features[/b], and later founded the Institute for the Study of Conflict. He also contributed to the Foreign and Commonwealth Office's Information Research Department (IRD), a shady organisation whose unattributable reports distributed to susceptible journalists and MPs were designed to highlight the dangers of communist subversion. The IRD was disbanded by David Owen soon after he was appointed foreign secretary in 1977.

That year, continuing in his role of what British intelligence agencies call "an alongsider", Crozier set up a new group, "The 61".

and his work at [url= https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Forum_World_Features ]Forum World Features[/url] and [url= https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Le_Cercle ]Le Cercle[/url]:

Forum World Features was a London based CIA propaganda operation which operated as a professional news service from 1965 to 1975. It was run by the anti-communist crusader, later European Chair of Le Cercle, Brian Crozier.

Forum World Features was part of a world wide CIA propaganda operation overseen by Kermit Roosevelt, the CIA agent who had engineered the overthrow of the democratic government of Iran in 1953.

The Australian born journalist Brian Crozier was appointed chairman of the company. He was a fervant anti-communist who had worked for the Economist and the BBC. [b]Crozier was assisted by John Tusa - later to be the main presenter of BBC Newsnight, then go on to become head of the BBC's World Service[/b]. Tusa, who was reportedly unaware of the CIA connection, resigned after an argument over editorial policy.

Among many other achievements in the shadows, Crozier via the global network of Le Cercle, with extensive support in MI6 and the CIA, was said to be instrumental in getting both Thatcher and Reagan elected...

The Langemann Papers (November 1979) quote a planning paper by Brian Crozier about a Cercle complex operation "to affect a change of government in the United Kingdom (accomplished)".

This may be a reference to the success of the "Shield" group which Crozier set up in 1976, probably with the express purpose of getting Margaret Thatcher elected, a year after she was invited to the Bilderberg meeting by Labour's Dennis Healey.

Excluded the Leave campaign from having access to civil service thus making it difficult to obrain facts/data

Given that all the facts support remain, the leave campaign and making sure they don't use them anyway and just making shit up on the fly...

Just about every Leave poster is factually incorrect.

BBC are probably one of the more balanced news outlets

And TBH their obsession with allowing balance means that often for the sake of "fairness" lies are allowed to be repeated as facts : look at climate change "debates" as proof

Nickc - possibly, possibly

Oh just an egging I should think.

Or a custard pie 😀

Given that all the facts support remain

Could not agree less. Detailed data on immigration including short term seasonal work average wages. A breakdown of immigrants by income and nationality so we can see clearly contributions made to the taxman. Detailed breakdown of benefits inc in-work (we already know immigrants are twice as likley to claim income support). Detailed information about numbers arriving to seek work. Detailed numbers about housing cost provision.

I used to trust the BBC now I don't trust any single news source . Channel 4 is probably the best one.

BBC are probably one of the more balanced news outlets, just on the basis that everyone thinks the BBC are biased against them.

Unlike newspapers.

Or American news - have you seen American TV news?

This. I think American TV news reflects the country, even the Democrats are far to the right of the Tories.

I used to trust the BBC now I don't trust any single news source . Channel 4 is probably the best one.

Agreed agin. i watch BBC, Channel 4, Sky plus online outlets like ViceNews

P-Jay - Member
... the 'facts' the Leave camp use are often somewhere between Opinon, Guess, Misleading or just Lies...

you forgot 'hate-fueling [s]Nazi[/s] propaganda'.

whoops, nearly Godwin'ed myself there.

All wrong i tell you.....

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we already know immigrants are twice as likley to claim income support

I'll stick this in the same column as the claim about £350 million. There are some very low paid immigrants claiming extra support, that's not the same as saying "immigrants" . But then that's what the leave campaign do isn't it?

I'm not sure where this idea of balance comes from that necessitates it coming down to each presenter. Surely if one presenter or sow balances another it achieves the same thing?

Is that Gove again Perchy?

Is that Gove again Perchy?

Sorry, one post only on political threads - pithy remark and an exit, that's the rules.....DOH!"

I'm not sure where this idea of balance comes from that necessitates it coming down to each presenter. Surely if one presenter or sow balances another it achieves the same thing?

Guess the problem often lies with the top of the hierarchy, such as the editors...

for example:

Head of BBC News:

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Editor BBC's Daily & Sunday Politics, Exec Editor Andrew Marr Show and This Week. Head of BBC Westminster:

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Be interested to see if anyone can identify if there are any people in similar positions from the other side of the political spectrum?

What effect would such placements have on damage limitation or outright suppression in the event of a massive scandal?

There are some very low paid [i]people[/i] claiming extra support, [i]some of whom happen not to have been born where they now live[/i], that's not the same as saying "immigrants"

FTFY

"we already know immigrants are twice as likley to claim income support"

Hmm; twisting, distorting and selectively quoting facts, playing on xenophobic paranoia, and making up shit to suit your argument. I can see why the Leave campaign appeals to you so much Jambalaya.

A hard slap is all that he needs.

With a bit of step in to it mind..

Biased Broadcasting Company

What, biased news? Like Fox, News International, the Daily Mail, the Daily Express...?

Part of the reason why we've seen such a cynical and dirty referendum campaign is because some sectors of the news are allowed to confuse opinion with fact and aren't challenged when they invariably misrepresent.

I should apologise by the way nickc, that sounded like a criticism of your point much more than it should when really I mean to question jambalaya...

we already know immigrants are twice as likley to claim income support

I personally don't know any such thing but if you do I'd be interested to know what you actually mean, as I read your statement it could be one of the following:

A )Non UK nationals are twice as likely to be employed in a job which [has a salary that] qualifies for income support.
B ) Non UK nationals in a qualifying job are twice as likely to be claiming the in work benefits to which they're entitled than UK nationals in the same employment
C ) Non UK nationals are twice as likely to be claiming in work benefits than out of work benefits.

I'm working on the assumption that the comparison is with UK nationals in all cases.

Feel free to add a D if its none of the above.

In any case I'm not sure how it's a bad thing.

Could not agree less.

No surprise there. However, ever fact you have presented, so far, hasn't stood up to any scrutiny whatsoever; you just make up random statements on the fly to support your rather extreme beliefs.