Best and Worst Airports?

What are really irritates me about CDG is you can buy a Gucci handbag but you can’t find a decent coffee for love nor money.

Anchorage airport in Alaska is just like every other USA airport. Apart from the enormous stuffed Kenai bear stood on its back legs that greets you when you arrive… At that point, having been awake for 24+ hours it can be tempting to get straight back onto the plane.

I don’t mind Amsterdam. Yeah it’s big and busy but it does largely work.

worst has to be Grenoble
just a large barn . if your flight is delayed you have the joys of the one shop and a few vending machines to keep you occupied.
And if another plane lands just in front of yours , be prepared for the huge and very slow moving passport control line.
Gothenburg was excellent, just efficient

Worst

Dubai by a country mile. The "quiet" areas are anything but, there's nowhere to pass the time overnight unless you pay an extortionate rate just to enter a bar and if you take migraines you just have to suffer. Grenoble would honestly be better. Even Prestwick.

Best

Changi. Swimming pool, cinema and just a generally nice place to be. I've spent hours there and not been bothered in the slightest.

Used to travel a lot with work 20 odd years ago.

Best - Zurich (efficient) / Dusseldorf (Pizza)

Worst - O'Hare (just bloody awful) and Manchester (was always a building site with added queues)

Lan Tao was pretty good as long as you didn't have to board at Gate 100+, which was over the horizon. Narita was an experience, but in a good way.

[EDIT] - Had a 9 hour transit in Dubai and had to doss down on the floor as I couldn't afford a hotel. Miserable.

Worst: [b]Prague[/b]. OK, it's a nice easy tram & bus ride from the centre of town, the public transport links are great. Get inside, check in, and then you get to the shops and some basic cafes. Then eventually you wander off to your gate...and they have security AT THE GATE. You are then forced to stand in a room designed for about 30 people with however many people Ryanair can cram onto a single 737 while the tiny security area deals with this sudden mad influx. Do it properly - put security after check-in, THEN have the shops.

Best: [b]Manchester[/b]. More specifically - the new Terminal 2. I agree that Terminal 3 is still a shithole of epic proportions. Terminal 2 is like a different world. Large without being gigantic, airy, decent shops and cafes, loads of charging points. It does get some marks knocked off cos it's full of Mancunians though.

Park in T2 multistory. Lift to the concourse and you're right there at check-in. First time I flew from there I was dreading it (based on my experiences at T3 with Ryanair) but I parked up, wheeled the bike box to the lifts, was through check-in, through oversize baggage drop off, through security and sitting in Costa within 20 minutes. That left me about 2.5hrs to kill! I'd been expecting the normal T3 chaos but all my journeys through there have been almost enjoyable! Very efficient.

Toronto Pearson can be pretty horrendous - classic "Canadian customer service", which generally involves small shrill women shouting at you that you should GO OVER THERE, even when you know damn well you're supposed to be over here. Compounded by huge numbers of non-locals looking cluelessly around about what they're supposed to do in this big official-looking building.

Heathrow is just vile. Once you've been to any other airport, you realise how long and badly handled the security queues are at Heathrow, how rude the staff are, and how crowded it all is. Plus if you ever have to change terminals airside, it's desparately unpleasant experience; and the fact that you can't make any kind of transfer in under 45 minutes (they literally won't allow your boarding pass through the security gate) shows what a shambles it is.

Another surprisingly bad one is Dublin. It's crowded; the Ryanair and Aer Lingus gates are miles away from security, the number of toilets is hugely inadequate and the food options are awful.

but you can’t find a decent coffee for love nor money.

This is true for the entire country though TBF

Do it properly – put security after check-in, THEN have the shops.

Pretty standard across many airports when the vast majority of flights leaving/arriving don't need the additional 'international' checks.

CDG is truly awful. Even as a European passport holder it’s awful. Somehow they’d regularly mix up Schengen flight arrrivaks and dump them out into international forcing everyone to go through passport control and security again.  Then there’s the useless busses that take you between terminals. You’d think they’d know about of their connections, particularly with Air France / KLM, are scheduled at 50mins. But seemingly delivering pax to their appropriate terminal as swiftly and efficiently as possible is beyond the job description of the gitanes-toking bus-driving stereotypical embodiment.

FRA is also bloody awful. But then anyone who’s had to work extensively in Germany will know “German Efficiency” is pretty much marketing and spin.

Terminal 2 is like a different world.

I've had pretty much that same experience. Stumbled into the concourse after literally being herded through check-in and security like they were an Olympic qualifying event...and then had to find things to entertain myself. Very discombobulating

I haven't been to any that are really terrible, mostly just average. Singapore easily the best.

Warsaw Modlin airport.

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The London Luton of Poland, well over an hour to the city center  - That picture is the entire airport, in, out, baggage reclaim, passport control.

It's effin freezing in winter and boiling in summer.

Best , probably Cork. Always quiet reasonable facilities.

Worst, Marrakesh - absolute cluster trying to leave the country via it, repeatedly checking one’s passport and a terrible lounge. Will never go there again.

Worst, Atatürk, chaos, a free for all, disorganised and a bit of a shithole. Turkish airlines on the other hand are pretty damn good.

Best, Chubu Centrair (Japan), excellent, flown in and out of there a lot, like anything Japanese, it just works and everything is correct. First time flying there, came out of the terminal building, looked a bit lost, was approached by one of the staff who asked where I was going and proceeded to walk me to the right bus, explain to the driver where I needed to get off, don't get that anywhere else. At the right stop, driver calls me to the front.

Best, Barra. Go and chill on a beautiful beach before taking off from a sand runway.

Worst? All the others, everywhere, ever. Unless you're at the bar at a Virgin Clubhouse after a shower and massage, having ridden to the airport.

bit like asking best and worst dog shit you've stepped in 😕

Changi. Swimming pool, cinema and just a generally nice place to be. I’ve spent hours there and not been bothered in the slightest

Plus 1.

Worst for me given Moranbah isn't allowed probably either LAX or Heathrow.

Aside from crappy small ones, Geneva is the worst big one. Chaotic check-in and security. Eye wateringly expensive food and drink even by Swiss standards. Awful antiquated departure gates in those weird rotunda things they have

Singapore was nice. Free to use massage chairs was a highlight.

Heathrow is just vile

Heathrow is an easy target as an old-world sprawling mass of incremental development that's way over capacity. However, travel through Frankfurt and you'll quickly realise that as an old-world sprawling mass of incremental development that's way over capacity, Heathrow does a lot of things really well.

I'm never really sure why Singapore Changi is so widely regarded as brilliant. It always seem over-rated to me with the added joy of security being at the departure gate. If you want an airport with a swimming pool then the one in Doha is much more pleasant - in fact it's the best place in the airport. Of course, you're still (i) in Doha and (ii) probably flying with Qatar Airways, so you're not exactly winning at life.

Dubai is a throbbing sea of humanity queueing for a sh*t at 3am.

I've always liked Hong Kong, although with all of the development the terminal has lost some of its architectural purity and the airport as a whole is currently a bit of a mess.

Best: Samui
It’s changed a bit as it’s grown, but many of the buildings are made from bamboo. It has beautiful gardens with shady areas. The loos have fish tanks. Even in cattle class they give away free tea, coffee, fruit juice, pastries and sticky rice. The WiFi is good (not a given in that part of the world).
If I could put up a hammock I’d happily live there.

Worst: Dubai

Bucharest: people think it's ok to occupy seats with their luggage whilst you stand then they jump queues.

Hong Kong: efficient and seriously good eateries. The old one was freaky when you could see what was on the telly through peoiple's windows.

European airports as a Brit have got a lot worse post brexit. We get lumped in the non-Schengen area past passport control that usually has a vending machine and not much else.

Amsterdam and the Scandi airports use a one space model for departing and arriving traffic, meaning access to everything for everyone. Very nice.

JFK and ORD in the states are just 30 years out of date and massively lacking in space and infrastructure.

Italian airports are all a mess. Apart from Venice which flows really well.

Give me a small airport over a transfer monster any day.

Another +1 for Changi, what i remember most from it was just how quiet it felt compared to most noisy airports.

I do like it when i can fly out of tiny airports, like flying from Humberside to Esbjerg a year ago, think i saw around 20 people in total and there was 3 passengers on my flight, no surprise that route did not las long.

Worst: any small regional airport that is bloated by skiers in the winter. Chambery, Lyon, Innsbruck. They're all crap

Munich is really easy to get to, to navigate around and has helpful staff, ditto Zurich.

Been to most of the above when work travelling, used to like Stuttgart and Vienna

Best: Kerry airport. 10 miles from home.

Worst: Luton - if Ryanair made airports...

Worst for me given Moranbah isn’t allowed probably either LAX or Heathrow.

My flight from Heathrow to LAX was amazingly smooth and the transfer through LAX (onward to Sydney) was so quick and easy I was genuinely worried that something had gone wrong. It was one of those "it cannot be this simple" moments.

Even US Border Control was polite and efficient.

Toronto Pearson can be pretty horrendous – classic “Canadian customer service”, which generally involves small shrill women shouting at you that you should GO OVER THERE, even when you know damn well you’re supposed to be over here. Compounded by huge numbers of non-locals looking cluelessly around about what they’re supposed to do in this big official-looking building.

Interesting - I flew via toronto and despite it being huge and only having 2 hours for a connection for a domestic flight from an international one I got thru it all in 1/2 an hour and found everyone helpful and friendly

I haven't gone thru London airports for years following bad experiences.  I will pay extra to avoid going theru London

Clement Ferrand was great

Worst Heathrow by a country mile. Best Manchester or Birmingham. Overseas worst Marrakesh and Kathmandu. Best Vancouver and Turin

Worst - almost every airport on the US East coast.  And Schiphol.  It's just too big and there seems to be no order to where flights and connections are gated.  On any given day, in the whole world, there is nowhere where more people are running pell mell than than in Schiphol on an ordinary day.

Best - I'm going to go against the grain here and say Heathrow.  Given the incremental development, it's amazing how well it all works.  There're plenty of shops, bars, restaurants at each terminal, security is usually very fast, movement between terminals is easy and you can walk almost everywhere and there's plenty of information.  I'll admit when it goes wrong, due to the above 98% utilisation at LHR, it quickly unspools.

I think Stansted deserves a mention for how it has deliberately been made worse.

European airports as a Brit have got a lot worse post brexit. We get lumped in the non-Schengen area past passport control that usually has a vending machine and not much else.

I'm pretty sure that pre-Brexit we were non-Schengen and departed from gates past passport control... What has got worse is having to queue in the non-EU passport control lanes on departure - seems particularly slow and painful in Germany.

It’s probably against the OP rules but I only came here to say Inverness is wonderful and by far the nicest airport I use. Security takes 2 minutes, and the views are lovely.

Changi is ok but a bit dull. Nice is badly laid out and full of awful entitled man-child-skiers. Plus they carried out a controlled explosion about 15 metres from me without any warning.

Also hated LAX, but paranoia and jet lag may have had something to do with that.

I think Stansted deserves a mention for how it has deliberately been made worse.

...from a pretty low starting point. In the middle of nowhere.

Best Vancouver

Every airport should have a giant aquarium IMO

bit like asking best and worst dog shit you’ve stepped in 😕

I'm with @Klunk.

I'm amazed by how much more pleasant I find travelling by train than air, even in places where it's not great - Amsterdam Eurostar terminal.

I'm glad I don't travel much any more, it was only the alcohol that made it bearable

Worst experience for a major airport is Ben Gurion, there is no contest.

Luton takes some beating but I think Santiago Chile has managed. Queues to queues to queues. But it’s on the way to Patagonia so it’s ok. In the “humble brag” theme, Lukla is pretty bad but it’s cos you’re looking at the likely end of your life and all you can think about is how bad your guts feel

Best? Hmmm.  CPH? AMS used to be ok but it’s got much bigger and busier lately.

Agree with CDG absolutely awful place. I met an American there recently and when we finally found each other his first words were 'nice building but where's the ****ing exit'.

Amsterdam security is great. Manchester T3 is a shithole, I pick loads of people up from there and I feel embarrassed

I really like Edinburgh but I am only in there for a short time. Park on the second floor of the multi story, walk through fast pass ten minutes in total and you are through security.

I loved Lukla. Being able to go for a walk on the runway after hours ... with the local herd is pretty cool. Pretty safe compared to some of the PNG runways my uncle used to fly too I believe.

It’s probably against the OP rules but I only came here to say Inverness is wonderful and by far the nicest airport I use. Security takes 2 minutes, and the views are lovely.

I once asked security at Hobart airport why they were so damn fastidious (shoes off etc, etc) and they said it's because they're so quiet they have more time to do that kind of thing!

Had a 15 hour stop over in Dubai. When I landed I forgot I had insect spray in my jacket pocket, I'd gone through security at Mumbai with it & it has been in there for days.

They took my passport and I had a very uncomfortable 20 minutes in a little room trying to look calm.

Mumbai was surprisingly good.

Moscow Domodedovo is actual Hell made real on Earth

Not sure if that's where I flew into 20+ years ago but it was scary. Dirty, dark and full of semi-uniformed thugs sporting big guns!  Riyadh (same timeframe) also horrible but mostly because passport control appeared to be shake down central. Getting through there had my HR spiking near the max.

Think you need to separate airport and staff. Bristol - for example - is not a great airport but the staff seem to be missing that 'passengers are to be treated as stupid cattle' gene most busy airports seem to spawn.

My fav is Perpignan. But probably because I'm going to be riding in the pyrenees. Although I'll never tire of 'which carousel are the bags coming out on? Oh yes number 1 as that's the only one they have' 🙂

We should do a worse bike bag airport.  Sadly Bristol scores highly here as well. Bags must go round the perimeter at least three times as they inevitably turn up an hour after the rest of your luggage!

Oh and whichever Hawaii  Island we flew into. Four huts you just randomly wander between. I remember that being a very relaxed experience even with young kids!

All those wee airports on the southern French coast, Carcassonne, Perpignan, Girona (OK, in Spain, but same gig)  Montpellier etcetc, are all just very twee, they're like Playmobil made real, but super-useful in a land-security-luggage-out into the blinding sunshine - 20 mins flat way...that has you wondering why all airports aren't like that.

We should do a worse bike bag airport.

Malaga used to be terrible for that. Someone had to escort you down to the cargo screening because the normal oversize baggage area wasn't big enough to take bike bags (back in those days they were very used to golf bags but not bikes). So there'd be loads of hanging around before some grumpy security person appeared to escort you down seedy service elevators to the XL cargo baggage area.

It's completely the opposite experience now, their new (new-ish) departures area is amazing.

Think you need to separate airport and staff. Bristol – for example – is not a great airport but the staff seem to be missing that ‘passengers are to be treated as stupid cattle’ gene most busy airports seem to spawn.

Really? Never met a bigger bunch of miserable jobsworths. Bag drop empty, take a shortcut through speedy boarding GO BACK ROUND! Go to security, empty, nip under the tape because I don't need an extra 2000 steps to walk up and down and up and down and up and down the line, GET BACK!!

TBF they have chilled out in the last couple of weeks since they put the new machines in (and even started opening the tape to let folk through) but jeezo. Also a crap place to wait with no phone signal (3) and horrifically slow WiFi (if it even connects), they've shut the patio as well so you can't even escape there for a waft of unburnt kerosene.

Worst by a long shot is Jeddah north, old, dirty, too small for the traffic it gets/got and had a fairly intimidating atmosphere (drive in past emplaced armoured cars, air defence systems scattered about and sullen staff). The new south airport is likely to be far better but was barely open when I went through so there was nothing there and then the flight got badly delayed.

Best depends I liked Sälen but mostly because it's small and modern so has the new scanners so you don't have to do any unpacking of carry on. Abu Dhabi looked nice and was good with time to spare but was a bitch to get round on a hot transfer.

Ohh yes i had forgotten about Moscow, that was awfull 25 years ago, wonder what its like today

@squirrelking - maybe it's the new scanners that have biased my opinion. I had to go to Dublin last week and both ends were really chilled out (hand baggage only) except for the poor elderly lady in front of me at Dublin who fell while removing a shoe and knocked herself out!

@crazy-legs - oooh I remember that. First trip after lockdown I think to Ciclo. Massive queue as all package holidays seem to be leaving the same day then an lift down to a strange glass room with the bike bags. Then back up and only 2 passport gates open (malaga used to be permanently on strike!) which made our 3 hour pre-plane arrival only just long enough.

Went through in March and it was great. Still a bit of a hike with bags from EJ checkin to oversize baggage but at least it's all on the same floor!

Used to work and fly out of Farnborough - 10 minutes from home, painless.

Undoubtedly there are going to be worse, but Heathrow takes some beating - I once few into T3 one evening to find it was physically impossible for me + bike box + luggage on trolley to escape the automatic exit doors as they’re only a person wide and there are no airport or security staff.

Worst - Lisbon.  Gave a preview of the results of Stupidity with all traffic mixed up and massive queues for everybody. Only place I have lost luggage.  Then there is the long bus ride (feels like all the way t0 Sintra) to get on or off an Azores flight.

Best Santa Cruz, Flores.  In town and it is Flores!  Fun watching the dairy cows clinging to the roof pitch pastures above.   +1 for those wee French provincial ones

Worst: Stanstead - It just sucks, soooooo much. I hate it. I HATE IT.

Best: Arlanda (Terminal5) - so easy to get into and out of when travelling around Europe.

Honorable mentions:

Alderney (Good because they did an excellent bacon butty and because they never minded me rolling up 10 minutes before a flight)

HKIA (Good because queuing was minimal, but bad because luggage collection meant finding _your_ black bag on hard-standing packed with a couple of hundred other, IDENTICAL black bags)

Worst, Marrakesh – absolute cluster trying to leave the country via it, repeatedly checking one’s passport and a terrible lounge. Will never go there again.

Arrivals is just a huge melee, a giant crush of humanity slowly edging towards security to get their passports stamped. It's just awful.

I would love to go back to Marakkech, and even take my wife (who I think would love it) but I just can't put her through that.

Arrivals is just a huge melee, a giant crush of humanity slowly edging towards security to get their passports stamped.

When we were leaving the country last month we had our passports stamped at passport control after nearly an hour of queuing in the fast track lane (and in this queue the passports had already been looked at by three people). Thirty feet later a bloke was checking the passports had been stamped, an absolutely ****in pointless measure- I presume he was the mayor’s brother or some other sinecure.

Humble brag thread contender 😉

Most of my favourites are based around exterior or transport links:

• London City. Reasonably small which obviously helps, but stepping off the DLR to being passed security in 10 minutes is great
• Hong Kong: Great connections to the city, so it's pretty easy to get out even on a relatively short changeover. Extra points for being able to check your bags in at central station and have them transported onto your flight
• Pisa: the only place I've ever walked from the airport to my accommodation

The worst that I have visited was Boston in 1995. Might have had something to do with being absolutely knackered after two internal flights from the west coast ( it was the cheapest way then) and having a ‘discussion’ with a security guard regarding the sign above the scanners saying you could ask for exposed film canisters to be passed round which I asked for him to do. He was really rather rude and perhaps stupidly I argued… I think that may have been the closest that I ever got to being arrested in my round the world trip. It was cramped, dirty and soullless

The best is St. Mary’s on the Isles of Scilly, but that may be because it isn’t actually an international airport so there are no security checks and they are keen that no one stays there for more than about three quarters of an hour before the flight * and the view from the cafe veranda is amazing

* although bit can be a tad crowded if the flights are delayed by bad weather which is not unusual

I quite like CDG.

Worst I've experienced... Terminal 3 at Manchester is a contender with Leeds Bradford a worthy rival. Some airports are awful but have character.

Brize Norton. Rats place. 😂

I used CDG a fair bit a couple of years ago. I got used to it, but my first experiences were painful.

Manchester is the airport I would travel further to avoid.

I was in Stanstead very early morning, connecting for another flight,  got to the gate early just to chill out and read, nobody else there, and just after i sat down I saw that someone had done a shit on the carpet. So I vote Stanstead.

Best: Brunei International Airport (before refurbishment) - I am biased because the airport security just let me walked out/in of the airport security zone to eat proper traditional food and had a fag (without security check etc).   The airport was like desert with no one around, LOL!  They trusted me.

Best: Dubai International Airport - because it is efficient and easy to stock up tobacco.

Moderate: Changi Singapore, Thailand (few of them), Malaysia Subang and the old airport (this one feels like a busy wet market but interesting).  Newcastle International Airport (because they are Geordie).

Worst: Heathrow ... the lot and Stanstead.  Rude and treat everyone as hijacker.

Of the ones worth mentioning

Moab - tiny and weirdly cool

Zurich - just works

Calgary - been a while but when I went through regularly it seemed like a good place to spend a few hours

Oslo - no where near Oslo

Exeter is best.

Can't believe people dissing Manchester T3. It was always the best terminal for making progress.

It used to be an absolute dream. My record from my front door to departure gate is 12 minutes, including taxi, check in , security and the walk.

Mind you, that was 17 years ago....

It was about 20 years ago but I remember Kos airport being horrific. IIRC the security scanners were at the entrance to the airport so you queued up outside to get your bags scanned before you even got in the building. That was a joy at the height of summer

Reus is my current worst experience. I suspect in summer you get slowly roasted whilst waiting to get through check-in and security.

Best is Graz, quiet the best Strudel for km and the restaurant is an eating destination for the locals!

Worst - Chambery - hundreds of staff running around confused in big white puffy jackets acting genuinely surprised every time a plane lands.

Best - Orkney - some seats, a cafe, a wee shop. Only downside is when the plane is overweight and it's too wet and windy they leave the trolley with the Tunnocks Caramel Wafers behind.

gatwick is becomming quite nice since the monopoly were made to sell it off. Fast queues, lots of space in the lounges, generally easy.

Lyon's easyjet terminal used to be a tent for years, which was a bit of a psss take. We took our kid who couldn't walk properly at the time on a flight from stansted and they didn't have any wheelchairs he could use.

The ones I can remember being notable for good and bad reasons.

Tampa is lovely.  Much quieter and less chaotic both for arrivals and departures.

Orlando - over excited and over tired kids and overwrought kids going to Disney, incredibly badly organised.

Budapest - somewhat chaotic pre-security but a sea of relative calm afterwards.

Birmingham - an absolute shitshow when we flew to and from Barca earlier this year.

Singapore - had a very long layover here a long time ago and I recall it was very pleasant.

Oh yeah - Dinard in Normandy, effectively a sportshall with a cafe - very french and very pleasant.

Cancun - crap and everything costs $50.

I've done my best to forget about it, but Port Harcourt, Nigeria deserves a special mention. Arriving after little sleep to be aggressively asked for a bribe by a large man with a gun is never a good way to start a trip. The return was not much better, driving into oncoming traffic on a "motorway" was hair-raising even with a military escort. The "executive lounge" was grimmer than the general waiting area apart from the provision of G&T poured from some dubious-looking bottles. WAWA - West Africa Wins Again.

I was with a rather naive friend in Casablanca airport, transiting from Western Sahara to Heathrow. I thought it was a very good efficient airport. He returned with a couple of coffees saying "it's like bloody Africa!".

Best - Shannon. Worst - Stansted.

I’ve currently got a massive downer on Bristol for being ridiculous about charging for absolutely everything even trolleys. Trolleys should always be free.

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I loved Lukla.

The only airport where I’m looking at the pilot muttering ‘you can do it, c’mon, you can do it!’ for take off and landing.

I'm always glad when the bus to the car hire at Bristol eventually turns up, I'm usually on a late flight in and being Greasyjet it's probably delayed.  At least you can just walk at Birmingham. Also a complete arse of a place to get to or from, you're 30 minutes from the M5 whichever way you cut it (across the fields to Portishead, round the centre to Avon Dock or through the centre with its insane roundabouts with random traffic islands scattered across them) to the M32 and M4. I'd take a bus or train but I'd never arrive in Gloucester the same day!

Sorry for being so down on Bristol, it's an otherwise nice place but the transport infrastructure is ****ing dire.

Marrakesh sounds hilarious and not much worse than I'd honestly expect. Probably isn't much fun in the heat mind...

Worst. Luton, LaGuardia, Geneva, Brussels. All depressing hovels. Terrible security queues in Geneva and Brussels. Luton and LaGuardia like they didnt finish building them. Dublin is pretty grim too.

Lots of good ones. I’m just 20mins from landing in Doha now, which is pretty nice. Detroit Metro - so well organised for a US airport. Copenhagen - scandi cool. Just simply the coolest one. Palm Springs. Glass walls and no buildings means you can sit in the sunshine waiting for your plane at the gate.

The most impressive worst to best transformation. The terrible old New Orleans terminal to the fab new one

This is such a STW humble-brag thread. 😂

LGA Terminal B is brilliant now. Ataturk Airport has been closed for almost 5 years, its been replaced by a massive new Airport that is fine. (Avoid the extortionate and shitty kebab place, ironicallt).

STN isn't that bad, stop moaning. Neither was DME. LHR is a lot better now.

TLV was bad...especially the cheapo terminal...