[Closed] Berlingo / Partner advice

They seem to hold their price well

Really ? What you looking at paying ?

I bought a 3 year old 2015 model 2 years ago. 7000 miles on the clock top spec outdoor model, Few extras ticked on the sheet , found the sales docket in the glovebox along with the previous owners Edinburgh parking pass and disability badge...... 22k

I paid 8900 for it from a dealer..... I wouldnt say that was holding its money.

How ever what I will say is that if your looking at a 2016 with 40ish k on the clock your in the no man's land where many people are fighting over those cars regardless of brand and car prices are strong right now.

It may be worth if you can stretch to something nearer new ex mobility you may get more value for your money and be able to capitalise on that mid market price(as I found them also quite rare on the 4-6 year old 5ish market. Ex motability is 3 yo so market is pretty well flooded at that age) if you so wish as one thing's sure..... The price plummets on the frenchies quite quickly after about 7 years. My last one was 10 years old when I got it with 80k and I paid 1400 for it and sold it after another 50k for 650.

Avoid the wheel chair modified ones. Rattly and too many specially modified parts (read expensive)

Oh and finally I have the 90bhp one. It is fine for family use. It isn't fast but then I don't need to be going fast in what is and handles like a van. Can hold pace with the traffic no bother and the power is well delivered no waiting on turbo. Could use a 6th gear but that's just being picky

My old one was 69 bhp and much lighter. It felt throttled by the engine. Would have been a much nicer car with the 2.0hdi but 1.9s are very cheap at time and very basic to work on.

Cheers for the reply Trail Rat.
Down here in South Devon, finding a 2015 one for less than £10,000 is a treat, while a 2012 still seems to go for nearly £7000 if it hasn't got silly mileage, avoiding the WAV models of course.
Anything under the 90,000 mark seems to fetch a good price, probably because most owners I've talked to, seem to be full of praise for them.

My 2017 Tucson might get £9000 px if I'm lucky, hence why I say that the Berlingos seem to retain value.

I've seen 3 that take my fancy
2016 Partner at 11,000 miles for £9500, but 230 miles up North
2017 Partner at 21,000 for £9990, 130 miles away, though I lose the cheap tax on this one
2016 Berlingo at 28,000 for £8000, but a 7 hour drive to view it.......

As they sell quite quickly, I would need to put a deposit down to reserve one, so hence the need to be fully up to speed with suitable specs before I throw money at something.

Avoid the wheel chair modified ones. Rattly and too many specially modified parts (read expensive)

Most of the newer ones have the driver aids removed before sale, and those with chair ramps are very popular with taxi drivers in Ireland, due to it being a requirement for getting a taxi licence for the vehicle to be suitable for disabled passengers.
Personally, having driven probably several hundred of the damned things over the last five years, I find them horribly uncomfortable to drive, the seat won’t move back very far, and the pedal position is cramped*. Far nicer to drive is the Fiat Doblo or the Transit Connect.
*It may be that I’m just too tall, at around 5’10”, an ideal driver would be about 5’4” with stumpy little legs. The company I work for repairs and refurbishes Motability vehicles, and I drove them for British Car Auctions logistics, so five years of experience of the horrid things - a 200+ mile drive back from Cornwall could reduce me to tears, with an arthritic knee, it was impossible to find any way of getting comfortable in them, even driving one 400 metres down the road makes me want to beat it to death with a crowbar.

*It may be that I’m just too tall, at around 5’10”, an ideal driver would be about 5’4” with stumpy little legs.

Nope. 6ft 3 here. As I've said before the issues with you not the car imafaid.

The wheel chair adapted ones have wierd specific side exit exhausts rerouted fuel pipes and brake lines spare wheel isn't under the back

The driver aids ones I've never seen .

2016 Partner at 11,000 miles for £9500, but 230 miles up North

Personally I'd avoid a modern diesel engine with that few miles relative to its age. High risk of the emissions control kit being well bunged up from lots of short journeys when the engine can't get up to, or maintain proper temperatures.

Understood and it's the reason I moved away from diesel for my current car. I did speak to a local independent citroen mechanic and he gave the opinion that on the Berlingo, it's not appeared to be a problem.
I will still bear it in mind though.

On my second Berlingo now. The first one was the 95? bhp one, and now I'm running the 115? bhp. Both have been great apart from niggles with both with the fuel system. With age the lines can lose pressure.

If/ when an electric version with a decent range is released I'll be very interested indeed.

I have no complaints about my Berlingo. I am 6'4“ with a buggered hip and dodgy foot and will happily drive it on journeys of 200 miles plus. A day trip to London for me is a round trip of approx. 400ish miles, and I'm more than happy to go in the Bingobongo.

No idea which power our Berlingo is to be honest.
I know it’s a euro 6 diesel with a semi auto gearbox. It’s not a track car and the gear change takes some getting used to but it keeps up with traffic just fine and is quick enough for slipways, roundabout joining etc.

Am 6’2” and I find it fine to drive, easy to get a comfortable position.

Ours was ex-motability with 2300 (yes, that low!) miles on the clock, 3years old at time of purchase and cost 11k.

Ours is outdoor spec, 115hp, 18000 miles. Ex motability but un modified. Anout £9000 from a dealer. I was worried about the short journey thing but it hasn't been a problem for us. When my wife useses it its all stop start

The extra power is nice on cornish dual carriage ways. But i'm sure 75 hp would be fine in normal use

I wonder if demand is up as they sort of fit the covid world view get out and do stuff. I I genuinely think mine is cool but that's just me i think

Its probably worth spending a little bit more and getting the new shape berlingo for that money? Its also available in lwb for even more space. The grand tourneo connect and vauxhall version of the berlingo are also available for similar cash..

I’ve got a 2014, picked it up as a three year old ex motability. Only clue to previous owners situation was a couple of small scuffs in the roof lining where I think they must of had a cradle for a wheel chair. It’s the 115hp one and stock and has been really good for bike duties - well until yesterday when an injector went on the M25. Wondering what that’s gonna cost me!?
Oh, over 6 feet tall and no problems with comfort. Pedals are fairly close if you have big feet which surprised me given it based on a van and I would have thought they would have allowed for traders wearing work boots.

Mine was a 1.6 90hp. Did 100k miles over 4 years and still miss the practicality. It did not hold its value and was technically written off by my employer when it went in to be made ready to give back.
Most of the panels had small dents an scratches from it being used as a camping/canoeing/biking vehicle and the cost of bringing back the standard it needed to be was more than a 4yr old berlingo was worth 😐

I would try and get more than the 75hp if you can but I guess you could always get it remapped if you got one and felt it was under powered.

It did not hold its value and was technically written off by my employer when it went in to be made ready to give back.

But presumably it was then owned by some one who sold. Presumably it wasnt scrap

I have a new shape Peugeot Rifter (Rodger the Rifter) XL which is exactly the same as a Bingobongo. Huge amount of space and the Petrol 1.2 110 bhp Petrol is perky enough for 3 bikes on ball carrier (very long vehicle now) plus occupants to Cornwall. I would suggest a new shape if you can. I moved from a Mk2 Partner 2.0 HDI with 170K to a year old Rodger the Rifter and don't regret it. Much less stressful to drive and cavernous boot.

@ampthill, agree, the company just said it was uneconomical for them to pay to repair it hence wrote it off. I guess Lex who owned would have just stuck it an auction and got what they could for it.

I bought a 16 plate 2016 Peugeot Partner Tepee Active B-Hdi with 9000 miles on it for £10500 , im not sure if thats good or not tbh. That said its a great wee motor , obviously it drives like a van because thats what it is. can get 3 bikes and 3 people in as well and get about 52 mpg.

When I bought my 2009 (so the generation you’re looking at when it was nearly new) I drove the 90 petrol, 75 and 90 diesel.

The 90 petrol and 75 diesel are ok with just you in it and a bit of stuff, add any serious load or extra people at you want at least the 90 diesel IMO.

Thanks to all for the excellent info.
The 75 BHP I was looking at was a 2016 Bluehdi model, but as I dithered, that's now gone.
I have seen an older 90bhp model that would fit the bill nicely, if the seller reads his emails.
I would love to stretch to a new shape Rifter / Berlingo, but that may be a few years down the line, when the cost drops a little.
An engineer on the Briskoda forums rates the 3 cylinder 1.2 very highly indeed and I would love to have the EAT8 gearbox as well.
The long haired segeant major keeps a tight rein on the funds though.

Does anyone know what year and model the oil pickup pipe was officially changed to solve the previous hdi-turbo oil blockage problems?

I bought a 2016 Berlingo XTR BlueHdi 90bhp with 50k miles last week. Private sale £7100 (thou that was after negotiating 900 off as it was overpriced). As you say, the (good) ones that came up seem to go quickly.

I don't think I got an great a deal, but it was close and available that evening and I trusted the seller (as much as you can). And its got all the extra's we wanted... Cruise, Tailgate hatch and parking sensors.

I wanted to buy a pre-facelift 90bhp diesel XTR as those can be had for 3-4k but in the ended up deciding a BlueHdi was probably best being that we're inside the ULEZ zone coming into play next Oct.

Got a 2014 Partner Tepee Outdoor - has been brilliant, about 59k on the clock, had 12k when we bought it at 3 years old. About 4 months after getting it, the engine management light came on. Garage diagnosed a bunged up engine and gave it a good clean and it hasn't skipped anything since.

With bikes on the outside, I can get kit for camping (5-man tent - overkill but someone wanted space!), inflatable kayak and gear, 3 bikes (externally) and riding gear plus clothing for the 2 weeks away. Plenty space around the 3 passengers and a comfy place to be driving (I'm 6' 1") for a good few hours.

Time to move it on though and I'm keen for another, partner isn't too bothered as we don't keep the bikes inside it anymore - car needs a constant clean as it gets used for 'my' stuff (biking, trailbuilding, outdoorsy stuff that generally never involves a clean return to the vehicle!).

I'd be happy with the new shape but I'd heard that the rear seat arrangement has been changed and you no longer have a flat rear with seats out - that would make sleeping in it a bit less comfy...I probably need to do some more research but would probably be looking for an almost 3 year old version again - but will get a towball fitted as soon as bought as I can't see bikes going back in the next one if the better half has any sway (which she will as she now knows what I use the car (just a tool for me) for!).

So I'm going to start looking for 2017 year models, but not quite sure what I'm looking for there - want the same (or whatever the equivalent is) as the Partner Tepee Outdoor, but not quite sure if it is the new model or old model. Also not bothered if there is a lion or 2 stripes on the bonnet badge.

It did not hold its value and was technically written off by my employer when it went in to be made ready to give back.

My memory is that when they changed to cat 4 they upgraded the pipes.

Berlingo is Flair XTR and the Puggy is Rifter GT Line for a replacement to the Tepee Outdoor. Saying that the Rifter is sounding rather fancy so isn't going to be as affordabe to buy...but I'll start looking for 2017/18 second hands models and see what is there.

Maybe see if the Vauxhall equivalent is available, pretty sure all of them are built in the same factory, just badged differently...Combo Life - but none of the trim levels confirm the rear seats can be removed independently.

We've got a 2019 Berlingo XL - great so far for lugging bikes and boats. Middle row of seats all fold individually, which is great. Ours is auto with the optional Grip Control. Never thought I'd buy an auto but it's great to drive, particularly loaded up on steep country roads.

How long is the load area in the rifter/flair with the rear seats folded flat?

1930 for the xl, 1755 for the m. The grand tourneo connect is 2175, so usefully larger

Is it a flat load area with seats out? Going by the pictures online it looks like there is a 3-4" lip, which isn't going to be ideal...

Go for the highest powered one you can find.
If buying higher miles then make sure the oil is changed frequently. Mine is done every 6k.
Great thing about the engine and car is that you don't even need to jack it up to change the oil.

I'm driving a 90bhp b9 and when I want to over take I have to choose wisely.

The only thing that spoils the whole Berlingo experience for me is the lack of power, I'm not after a driver's car but I do like to get places.

I'd love another 40 bhp and remap it but at 130k I'm scared of my turbo.

Mine hovers a 41 mpg because it's driven hard.

Thanks 5lab

We bought a 2017 Partner with 13K on the clock for £9500 just before lockdown. The gearing feels odd when it's unloaded, as if you are never in the right gear, stick half a tonne of cement in the back and it's fine.

The driving position is OK but if you keep your foot over the clutch then it can get a bit tiresome. I drove back from mid-Wales yesterday - four hours or so of driving - and had no problem.

Why rest your foot above the clutch? Just stick it on the footrest to the left of the pedal?

This is a question to the general masses - had a friend who drove like that and I could never work out why as they complained of a sore leg after a half hour in the car. Wouldn't believe the wee lip next to the pedal was a foot rest...all for remaining alert and ready to react but this was Driving Miss Daisy speeds, so didn't need lightening reactions for vast majority of emergencies.

so didn’t need lightening reactions for vast majority of emergencies.

in 15 years of driving I don't think I've ever needed an emergency (unexpected) gear change anyway..

Is it a flat load area with seats out? Going by the pictures online it looks like there is a 3-4″ lip, which isn’t going to be ideal…

Not really a lip, but slopes up slightly.

I don't unless I'm doing lots of manoeuvering and subsequent gear changes. I probably did mean the footrest but it is too awkward for me because it is the same height as the clutch itself - I need my foot on the floor. It's just the angle it forces my knee to be at for extended periods.

I just sit with my left foot flat on the floor.

My seating position is pretty upright anyway as sitting layed back as per many cars(at my height as the roofs in the way) is bad for your/my back anyway.

Tbh if on long trips I sit with both feet flat on the floor as if I was sitting on a chair. (Cruise)

Never been. Comfort issue for me

Is it a flat load area with seats out?

I looked at a regular one, before the XL came out. Looked like it went flat, but that was worse for me. You lose the drop into the footwell, which due to my stature and size of bikes, need to get my bikes to fit (i turn the bars nearly 90 and drop the front wheels into the rear footwell). If you turn the bars on a flat floor, with big 29ers the bars hit the roof, so it doesn't work. I think bikes would fit with no/less turning in an XL so that would be ok, but you couldn't get XLs when I was car shopping.

Very disappointed citroen salesman, think he thought he had a sure sale as I asked him to call me soon as he had the new shape in. He did, i came in, took a look in the back and went "nope, no good. Call me back when you have the XL." - sad faced salesman. Called me back when they eventually did, but by then I'd bought a BMW - he sounded pretty dejected!

That said, the XLs do look good, one might have been a contender. But then you're also looking at Caddys and the like. Though I don't like their driving position for a tall person, clout my ankles on the seat rails and feel like I'm sat behind the B pillar.

We picked up an 18 month old XL Berlingo on Monday, first impressions are that it is a lovely thing. Not sized up the back for bikes yet, but with the rear row removed and middle row flat it easily swallowed a 1.8m long set of shelves I collected. 130 diesel with EAT8 auto is like wafting along in a comfy armchair.

Thanks to everyone for the helpful info.

I previously mentioned that these seem to hold their prices.
Just spotted a 2015 outdoor at a great price locally.

I then stumbled across a video from a Peugeot main dealer, showing the same model and milage car being sold for only £900 more back in 2017.

then stumbled across a video from a Peugeot main dealer, showing the same model and milage car being sold for only £900 more back in 2017.

The price of everything vehicles wise has risen since about February.

As I said earlier I paid 8900 for a 2015 outdoor model with around 7000miles in 2018 .

Seeing similar vehicles with 40k on the clock going for 9500

That's not the Peugeot holding its value. That's market dictating value.

It's across the board on all cars.