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Seems he's on the way out for being a dick. Shame. I'll miss his comedy performances at PMQ's.
"The hon member really is getting much too excited."
"Oordyerrrrr. Or-orrrrrrdyyaeerrrrrrrrrr".
Who's next?
I saw something flash across the news last night ,but I wasn't paying attention.
What's the bones of it then?
He's pretty slippery and has managed to dodge the axe before, still a fair chance he will get away with this, unless things have moved on since yesterdays news...
He's a narcissistic sociopath with delusions of adequacy.
Bring back Bettie, she's only 88.
Bit too shouty and throwing-things-aroundy to his staff.
Bit like Gordon Bruin used to be...
I suspect the reason this has all been made such an issue now is that his rulings have gone against the tories too many times recently.
Having said that I bet the allegations are true just that if you are useful to the tories they don't make a fuss
Well I never... turns out it was Harvey Proctor who launched John Bercow's political career...
(funnily enough, Keith Vaz is mentioned on the next page)
For some reason, that's not trending though *innocent face*
Quite right jhj. You never.
Now do p1zz off, there's a good chap.😙
Beyond his days in the Monday club with Proctor, Bercow certainly has an interesting history...
Aside from Lambeth Council and his role with the Saudi favourite Jonathan Aitken, there's the several years he spent training over 600 Tory activists (many of whom are now MPs) with Julian Lewis (who went on to be his best man).
Probably best not to probe too deeply in these matters though, never know what you might find...
JHJ , I find all your links intriguing.
Keep them coming , even if no one else likes them , I do.
Well, I’ve got no basis for this other than intuition, but the accusations sound credible to me. He just seems the type (angry shortarse!) As to where the line is between being bullied and “forcibly directed”, that’s another question entirely.
Bit of Monday Club style 'ethnocentrism' come back to bite him on the arse?
Well, I’ve got no basis for this other than intuition
Uh oh. No smoke without fire.
JHJ , I find all your links intriguing.
Keep them coming , even if no one else likes them , I do.
There are people that don't like them? I thought everyone did.
I'm at at a loss as to what I'm supposed to discern from JHJ's link to Berrow's BBC bio up there.
Seems all pretty dull, not the "interesting history" it's been advertised as
I’m at at a loss as to what I’m supposed to discern from JHJ’s link to Berrow’s BBC bio up there.
Suspicion, confusion, innuendo etc. certainly no answers
Oh come on, surely you guys know about the whole John Bercow Keith Vaz thing...
The donations?
Where every report in every newspaper is riddled with "Could have" and "it is alleged" and "reported to have" ? I know you don't pay attention to those sorts of things, and you infer what you want to suit your world view, but meanwhile in the real world there the annoying thing of actual proof rather than the hearsay and gossip that you peddle.
If the man's a bully, and MPs feel he should go, then he'll be gone (as speaker), if they decide they still want him as Speaker, then he'll stay, and that's pretty much the start, middle and end of it, really.
Ignorance is bliss...
he seems like a dick, but then his job is to shout at a load of braying, self serving arseholes we call MPs so Im not sure that hes out of place.
must be crap to work in that environment though
Love Bercow. It takes one of their own to be able to PROPERLY wind in an über privileged, arrogant, self entitled Tory. Legend. Actually seems to have a sense of fairness, too.
Is it not that the Torys hate him?
A liberal Tory and not even a Gammer School boy... Strange that the right wing press have it in for him.
Strange that the right wing press have it in for him.
because he went from Thatcher loving Tory toy-boy, to something slightly approaching an actual human.
Especially love the second one; seems very relevant given the accusations.
Have to give him his due, seems pretty good at covering his mates backs...
His best man for the occasion was Dr Julian Lewis, a long time friend and colleague of his since way back in the 80s.
From 1989, Julian Lewis and John Bercow spent several years working together running advanced speaking and campaigning courses for Conservative activists the world over, bestowing wily political skills upon over 600 Conservatives (including many current MPs) by the time they wound up their operation in the early 2000s
It was in 1994, during the time that Bercow and Lewis were nigh on inseparable that Julian Lewis helped cover up organized child abuse…
He even brags about it on his website:
Thanks to Julian Lewis, in 1994 North Wales Police Superintendent Gordon Anglesea managed to rake in £375,000 from libel cases relating to allegations of his involvement in organized abuse of children from North Wales Care Homes.
Care homes run by a certain John Allen:
Though its welcome that a degree of justice was served in the end, there is much more to this story than it 1st appears.
And both Julian Lewis and John Bercow are right in the thick of it…
Its not strange at all the right wing press have it in for him. He has made rulings recently that have been very uncomfortable for the tories several times. Thats why so much fuss is being made. Same behavuiour but loyal tory - no fuss in the papers.
IIRC 18 tory councillors have been suspended in the last couple of months for racism and a number of tory MPs - did you see that in the news?
Oh come on, surely you guys know about the whole John Bercow Keith Vaz thing…
No, and furthermore, I really couldn’t give a shit. I have far more important things in my life to worry about.
I was under the impression that it was the BBC that had driven the recent reporting on Bercow. R4 for the last few days plus the Newsnight interviews the last couple of nights. Am I to believe that the BBC are the right wing media?
The BBC simply follow the median of the press - so once the tory press pick up a story they do as well
Well, it does get a bit tricky when we talk of the BBC... for example, one time head of the BBC Trust, Chris Patten, was Chairman of the Conservative Party in the early 90s, (at the time, John Bercow's best man Julian Lewis was deputy Director of the Conservative Reasearch Department... Patten himself had been Director of the Conservative Research Department in the 70s, during the period Margaret Thatcher was leader of the opposition)
Of course, further questions remain about the recruitment of Rona Fairhead to chair the BBC Trust, which involved the new Home Secretary, Sajid Javid, but that is probably a bit outside the scope of this thread.
That said, strange as it may seem, the 1987 firing of BBC Director General, Alasdair Milne (father of Jeremy Corbyn's Director of Strategy and Communications, Seumas Milne) is actually relevant here.
Well jhj what makes it a real conspiracy is that all those names you mention are people, makes you think. Next you'll be telling us that they mostly live in Britain and they eat, drink and breath to stay alive, again makes you think!
But presumably without jhj to make them, they wouldn't be doing any thinking.
Well I never... today is the anniversary of the election of Margaret Thatcher as the UK's first female Prime Minister.
How wonderful!
Chris Patten must still be proud of his role in all that to this day, safe in the knowledge that Cambridge Analytica and all their dodgy data mining (not to mention honeytraps and hidden cameras) weren't about back then
That said, questions still remain as to what role Julian Lewis' mentor, Guinness World Record holder, Brian Crozier played in such a historic result...
always questions, never any answers. Unless this is a means of making an allegation without actually saying something that could be libellous / slanderous?
Makes me think.