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Just been listening to the BBC’s ingratiating, sycophantic and obsequious coverage of Jorge Bergoglio’s visit to Ireland. Completely sickening. The national broadcaster is continuing it’s unquestioning propaganda campaign on behalf of the contemptible superstitious drivel and anti-human repression that is religion. Where is the voice of secular reason in this ludicrous Atrocity Exhibition?
Two things I did hear that made me smile. One, that a priest being interviewed said that the pope was only human and made mistakes and that without a central role to play in Irish life, the catholic church would now have to consider how to operate in it’s reduced capacity.
Excellent to hear an admission, finally, that the pope is not infallible and also that the waves on Dover Beach continue to drag back from the shingle of reality...
As ever, religion sees it’s power recede whilst being dragged, kicking and screaming along, by advances in secular morality and ethics.
Don’t let the door hit you on the way out, Jorge.
I know, the bastards cover all manner of things which are an important part of people's lives, from football, politics and culture, without any concession of just how worthless, pointless and false they are.
As I (begrudgingly) listen to ‘Good Morning Sunday’ on R2, knowing that a flick of the dial to R4 will have ‘Sunday Worship’ coming from the pipes, I can’t help but agree that this entirely intentional increased religiosity we are now experiencing from the Beeb is depressingly regressive. I support people’s right to believe whatever they want, but when it impacts on my Sunday morning, I dream of a secular UK.
Only one thing worse than religion, intolerance.....
"Down with that kinda ting "
You know what I do when something comes on the radio I don't like? I change the channel and get on with my life.
Only one thing worse than religion, intolerance…..
The positive correlation between piety and intolerance is pretty irrefutable. But can you be a pious atheist?
I had to google
Jorge Bergoglio
to find out who he was/is and what you were referring to in your opening para.
Now I know it’s religion based argument I predict a)a riot b) 11 pages c) a flounce d) clips from Father Ted
"The solemn declaration of papal infallibility by Vatican I took place on 18 July 1870."
@woppit - so which bit annoys you the most?
The Pope, Catholics, Christians, the Irish, religion, people different to you, the BBC, Radio2, Radio 4???
Why my GIFy no worky?
Have another one, go on, go on, go
On.
“The solemn declaration of papal infallibility by Vatican I took place on 18 July 1870.”
Right that's it, I'm boycotting PayPal again.
Well, the pope thing has been visiting the, now no longer completely grovelling, Republic Of Ireland and has been saying sorry for years of child torture and sexual debasement of minors. A bit. Still no handing over to the police of his paedophile friends for prosecution and imprisonment. How vile.
What else, though, can one expect from an organisation run and officered by “a bunch of sinister, hysterical virgins”?
Right that’s it, I’m boycotting PayPal again.
You can't boycott Paypal. It is omnipresent.
an organisation run and officered by “a bunch of sinister, hysterical virgins”?
Sounds like the local Wargaming club.
You may find that your local WG club doesn’t collude with it’s members so they can get away Scot-free with child rape.
Whilst expecting, of course, that the matter can be left to the intercession of whatever imaginary deity they grovel to...
Father Ted references, you say?
^^ 😜👌👌👌👏👏👏🤣
I’m a left-footer of Oirish descent and I can assure you that the best way to make someone completely reject organised religion is to give them a catholic education. And I was never personally subjected to ‘the choirboys lament’
Woppit = Father Dougal.
Father Dougal:
God Ted, I've heard about those cults. Everyone dressing in black and saying our Lord's going to come back and judge us all.
Father Ted:
No...no Dougal, that's us. That's Catholicism you're talking about there.Father Dougal:
Whole of this Catholic thing is a bit of a puzzler, isn't it Ted?
Good thread this...
for some reason, it reminds me of the Supreme Governor of the Church of England...
it reminds me of the Supreme Governor of the Church of England…
SPOILER ALERT!
Steady on, we'll be going off topic in no time at this rate...
Apparently, the whole showbiz gig is to “celebrate the place of ‘the family’ in the catholic church”. Which you can have. Unless you’re one of the sinister hysterical virgins that run it. Oh, the irony.
@Woppit - you're alleging that they aren't all virgins. Make your mind up!
that run it
Perhaps you missed that bit. 😒
So, errr, just what kind of love does the pope have in mind...
Was in Ireland last week for a family wedding.
Seems to be a lot of debate about the role of the Catholic Church in the future and a lot of issues and anger around it.
Having had a look at some of the church newspapers though I can't see anything changing anytime soon. Was interesting to see the average age of priests is now 70 and only 20 odd people joined the seminary in Ireland last year so ultimately unless they change they will die out soon anyway
Imprison the lot of them, I say. Including their stupid enabler-in-chief.
So I I’ve just seen the pope on telly begging forgiveness from his imagined deity and this Mary the Magic Fairy or whatever it’s supposed to be, for decades of horrific child abuse. So, that’s it?
Seems the fiction of the “catholic see” being a separate country in it’s own right, allows it to get away with offences that in the real world where there is law, would have offenders and their colluding friends stranded inside with the rest of the bastards of their own kind.
What does the bishop of Rome regard as a suitable punishment? You’ll never guess...
You may find that your local WG club doesn’t collude with it’s members so they can get away Scot-free with child rape.
Whilst expecting, of course, that the matter can be left to the intercession of whatever imaginary deity they grovel to…
Other than the word ‘imaginary’, Woppit, I pretty much agree with everything you are saying. All the apologies in the world are utterly worthless unless the person/people issuing them do something radical to make sure the thing doesn’t happen again.
The RC Church has, for too long, been appallingly self-protecting, even when that has meant that abusers get away with their grotesque crimes.
ALL those accused should be investigated by the civil authorities and, if warranted, tried in the courts and imprisoned. I’m the meantime, the Church should take a long, hard look at itself, and do everything in its power to make sure this kind of hideousness can’t happen again.
As I (begrudgingly) listen to ‘Good Morning Sunday’ on R2, knowing that a flick of the dial to R4 will have ‘Sunday Worship’
If you pause between R2 & R4 at R3 they have sounds of nature with music just after 0800am. If you close your eyes its just like being out in the countryside unless they are using a watering hole in the Serengeti or up the Amazon somewhere.
As I (begrudgingly) listen to ‘Good Morning Sunday’ on R2, knowing that a flick of the dial to R4 will have ‘Sunday Worship’
If you pause between R2 & R4 at R3 they have sounds of nature with music just after 0800am. If you close your eyes its just like being out in the countryside unless they are using a watering hole in the Serengeti or up the Amazon somewhere.
And if you keep going there is entertainment on lots of other channels - #DABnostics
What else, though, can one expect from an organisation run and officered by “a bunch of sinister, hysterical virgins”?
If they are all rapists, how can they be virgins?
I like Pope Francis, he's making great strides in trying to fix a lot of the problems of his church within an organisation that's not exactly known for moving quickly.
But, despite this, I've heard almost nothing about his trip to Ireland, it's almost as if the OP has an axe to grind and goes out of his way to get upset about it.
It's the age old conflict.
An old man, out of touch with reality, tries to impose his belief system on the masses - vs- the Pope 😉
😏
Steven Fry from Intelligence ^2 debate
...they for example thought that slavery was perfectly fine, absolutely okay, and then they didn’t. And what is the point of the Catholic church if it says ‘oh, well we couldn’t know better because nobody else did,’ then what are you for?
The last bit is the important point.
The churches claim to authority is based on their personal connection to an all seeing all knowing loving being (who is the same yesterday today and forever).
If thats true (?) how do they get to apologise for the past by saying "we didn't know" or "things have changed"?
How do you say "I like him because he's changing things" without the doublethink making your head explode?
Its BS all the way down, and the only way it makes even the barest sense, is if:
a) there is no god, and
b) its a human organisation (collectively guilty of horrendous crimes) who make a lot of stuff up.
Thats why they make me angry. And probably why me (and possibly Mr Woppit) bang on about it (on occasion).
It's like being the boy in the crowd watching the emperor walking around in the nuddy, and listening to the rest of the crowd talk about how "things have improved now that he no longer has a child impaled on his twig and berries. Truly he is a moral giant!"
If you don't think its weird you haven't thought about it enough.