[Closed] BBC Sports Personality!!!!

STEVEY PEAT!

fair point tootin

it's garbage in my opinion. steve should be there for the win and the amount he does for local charity and young up and coming riders. wiggins should be there for the best result an englishman has had for years, yes what's his face won some stages and there's no denying the incredible effort that that must have taken but........

Button to win and Murray runner up.
Valentino Rossi for overseas spoty.

i saw tootin post and thought peaty had made it!! 😥 i like tennis and wish murray well but he should not be on that list, and cavendish is dubious in my opinion he won a few stages not the whole thing, he didn't even get green albeit unfairly. Giggs well i guess his longevity gets it and he comes across as a nice chap.

But no peaty and almost a dead cert win for that smug **** button, hope haye takes it knocking down that giant was an amazing feat.

might get shown the door for this but i really do think that motorsport should have its own thing.how can you have no wiggins and no peat when you know full well it will go to a guy that drives a car.(i know dead fast and all that).

The "why no Steve Peat" or any other British world champion downhill Mtber's comes up every year. Outside of the sport how many people have heard of SP ? about two or three maybe. I'll be voting for Cav easly Britains most exciting cycling talent.

My vote goes to Beth Tweddle..

it still amazes me when I speak to non-MTBers (even some MTBers) who have never heard of Peaty. Thats why he won't win it.

Its even IN SHEFFIELD!!

Button will get my vote - by a long way

How sh!te is that! I was looking forward to Peaty at least getting nominated. He was never going to win but his career spans decades, half of that lot will be on i'm a celeb next year.

Too right tails Cav only has 16 grand tour wins and milan san remo in two years, **** all mate.You keep waiting till he ****ing wins one of them 🙂
And wiggo he'll be down the boozer[code].

Ryan Giggs get my vote.

Don't care if that goes against the prevailing STW opinion. 😛

When you look at what has been actually won this year by the ten personalities up there it's ridiculous.

Alistair Brownlee or Steve Peat have had more significant wins than the lot of them added up!

I'll not bother voting for that list.

Matt

It says personality not most worthy champion how can you expect people to vote for someone they haven't heard of.

jamie bestwick!

Jessica Ennis

[i]i really do think that motorsport should have its own thing.how can you have no wiggins and no peat when you know full well it will go to a guy that drives a car.(i know dead fast and all that). [/i]

Er... And what happened last year then?

Considering past winners have been such sporting luminaries as
Greg Rusedski, Princess Royal and Zara :evil:Phillips!!! I think it's not a bad list.

If it's for achievement, then Giggs is miles ahead of the others, especially when compared to most of the 'stars' in the P'ship. He's been at/near the top of his sport for nearly 20 yrs. I know everyone hates football and especially Man Utd, but Giggs will be remembered for decades.

It's criminal that Peaty isn't nominated!
Who gets my vote................Giggsy! One of very few modern footballers with an ounce of dignity. *Please note that this is from a Leeds fan* Well done, Ryan.

Lifetime Achievement - Steve Peat

And no doubt there are loads of other sportsmen/women who have excelled in their sport too but they aren't in the running for exactly the same reason as SP - because there isn't the mainstream interest.

Hardly unexpected I've been leading a lobby of the news papers and journos to get Peats name at least listed to little joy.

Because the show is in Sheffield the Beeb have indicated they are likely to have him on the show for the year review and at the recent South Yorkshire Sports Awards he won the top award whilst pitched against 4 other podium contending local world champions including the bobsleigh woman and the Heptathlete who is on for the vote for SPOTY. Yorkshire Post sports journos who were one of the regional selectors were hardly patriotic missing him of their list so I will not be wasting the opportunity to pee on one of their issues next time i am in Yorkshire

Yes Ed2001 I only think he should have been nominated if he had won green. Oh look whats that a green dummy.

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Button will win, though in fairness, Ross Brawn should be up there with him when he collects the prize!

Strauss second
Haye third

Agree with Matt-bl one of the most amazing sports successes this year has been Alistair Brownlee's total domination of the world triathlon winning all 5 of the races he entered including the Grand Final, and he's only 21!

Apart from that I think Jessica Ennis would be a worthy winner, but we all know that Jenson will get it.

ermmmm.....I once watched a MTB race on the TV which Steve Peat won. Was just about the most dreary bit of TV imaginable. Ours isnt a great spectator sport peoples.......

Why will Jenson Button get it? Hamilton didn't win it last year.

mcboo, tbh it's all about the funding the coverage gets that dictates how exciting it is to watch. And it isn't any more or less exciting then just about every other sport represented in the SPOTY top ten.

pfft, Peaty deserves it the most.

This year it might as well be the Button personality of the year

Hamilton would have won easily last year if it wasn't an olympic year

There is no way Cav will win it because road cycling is just not on the (BBC) radar.

Wiggo would have to win the TDF to get in. Thats not to say that his achievement is not just as good as the other candidates.

Steve Peat? who? Never heard of him.

Cav gets in because he is by far the best in the world at his discipline (which is not green jersey per se, but flat sprinting). Wiggins has not reached that point.

Don't know why anyone would think "driving a car" unworthy, other than ignorance of what F1 involves physically.

[i]Don't know why anyone would think "driving a car" unworthy, other than ignorance of what F1 involves physically. [/i]
I think the clue is in the title. '[b]Sports[/b] personality of the year'. I think a lot of people think that this means winners/people on the shortlist should participate in a [b]sport[/b], which the car drivers clearly don't.

which the car drivers clearly don't.

no physical effort or fitness required then?

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people on the shortlist should participate in a sport, which the car drivers clearly don't.

[i]no physical effort or fitness required then?[/i]

you're right, that should be the only criteria. Let's include Tesco shelf-stackers in SPOTY too.

Like I said, ignorance. If you think there is no physical dimension to F1 you are ignorant. Not a clue.

would you say that its the athletic performance that gets the win in f1?

How do they arrive at the shortlist, is it by public votes or BBC with there Non Biased impartial charter! Ha! yeah right! and what the **** is Ryan Giggs doing there, MU supporter need not reply. If Sky were doing the Sports personality of the year then a few more cyclists would make the shortlist.I have not studied who else did not make the shortlist but its obvious the most televised personalities get on there, unfair biased IMO.

How do they arrive at the shortlist, is it by public votes or BBC with there Non Biased impartial charter!

[b][i]SPORTS PERSONALITY OF THE YEAR - Main Award

Voting details and criteria are below.

Nomination process of contenders for final 10:

The nominations are provided by a panel of over 30 leading sporting experts from a selection of newspaper sports editors (national and regional) and magazines.

This process begins on Monday 2 November and ends on Friday 13 November. The sporting experts will be asked to name their 10 contenders in alphabetical order and not in any order of preference. [/i][/b]

F1 is not [i]exclusively[/i] a test of athletic performance, because there is all of the other sport skill too, such as coordination, tactics, aggression, technical understanding… all the stuff that adds up to world class driving. But without an extraordinary fitness level you can't drive an F1 car at all. Even to be a passenger in a two seater you need a medical.

Coulthard related this season how when he raced at Hungary once he crashed the car half way through the race purely because he was so tired he couldn't physically hold on to it any more. And that was an experienced, super-fit F1 driver.

Still waiting for AndyP to explain what makes cycling a sport and motorsport not a sport.

Lord Greenville - Member
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Who gets my vote................Giggsy! One of very few modern footballers with an ounce of dignity. *Please note that this is from a Leeds fan* Well done, Ryan.

Do people seem to forget that he used to beat up his girlfriends? (Davinia Taylor as I recall)

Are you putting domestic violence forward as a sport?

[i]Still waiting for AndyP to explain what makes cycling a sport and motorsport not a sport. [/i]

Why are you waiting? In your mind you've already dissmissed any reasoning that he would put forward.

F1 requires high fitness levels but also exceptional hand eye co-ordination, reaction times and mental skills. important elements in all 'proper' sports

In fairness, it strikes me that it is AndyP who has the dismissive attitude. I'd like to hear the reasoning, if there is any.

Are you putting domestic violence forward as a sport?

I think he may be referring the personality bit and role model credentials, if Giggs adoring fans new of his wife beating history would they still vote for him, mind you judging on the mentality of a lot of footballers and there fans then yes they would.

flippinheckler - Member

If Sky were doing the Sports personality of the year then a few more cyclists would make the shortlist.

Sky? Wait a minute, don't they sponsor British Cycling?

UNFAIR BIASED!!!

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ok fair do's i take my point back motorsport should be in then.
i know full well that no average jo should even think about going near those cars so go on then i'll go with yer.

Sky..cycling...cycling forum...me biased...the very thought! 😆

I think it's diabolical that Wiggins isn't there. Everyone is aware of the tour, it's almost certainly the hardest athletic endeavour known to man and he placed the (equal) highest place that any British rider has *ever* done in it overall. Brits win driving competitions all the time but Wiggins has stood out massively.

And he lives in Chorley.

its a hard sell to those that dont know though.but he came fourth for god's sake.just wont get it will they?

A lot of people think he was the first [i]clean[/i] rider…

[b][i]Voted for by the public live during the TV show, this prestigious award will be given to the sportsman or woman whose actions have most captured the public's imagination in 2009[/i][/b]

I'm not sure that Wiggins would fit that criteria

[i]Still waiting for AndyP to explain what makes cycling a sport and motorsport not a sport. [/i]

sorry, been working.

IMO: cycling performance based mostly on the athlete. F1 based mostly on the technology. Yes, you need someone highly skilled to use the technology. But you put the world's best driver in, say, a Ford Ka, and they'd not do so well as a not-quite-so-good driver in a F1 car.
It's a test of technology, R&D and a profile-raiser for manufacturers, not a sport IMO.

Still waiting for glenp to show me where I specified there was no physical dimension...

'But you put the world's best rider on, say, a Universal full-suss MTB, and they'd not do so well as a not-quite-so-good rider on a carbon Trek road bike'.........

[i]'But you put the world's best rider on, say, a Universal full-suss MTB, and they'd not do so well as a not-quite-so-good rider on a carbon Trek road bike'.........[/i]
unfair comparison....OK, so put the world's best driver in, say, a pile of rust with no engine, steering wheel or other major components.. 😉

IMO: cycling performance based mostly on the athlete

So if you take road racing: the fittest rider on the day will usually win? or will it be the one who the team wants to win?

Not sure why I need to go back and find out where you said it - anyway, here it is:

[i]no physical effort or fitness required then?[/i]

you're right, that should be the only criteria.

Is cavendish or wiggins a world champion?
honest question.
Funny that Button never did well until he got a decent car, but I really don't care as long as Alonso doesn't win.

Neither Cav nor Wiggins are world champs, but Cav is acknowledged by all as the fastest sprinter.

No F1 driver can win without the car as well.

Bad luck - Alonso will win next year. Best driver without question, now in dream team.

Not a world champ? fastest sprinter or not, he doesn't deserve it.
It cannot be claimed that DH is too marginal and roadying isn't (in the UK at least).

Bad luck - Alonso will win next year. Best driver without question, now in dream team.

I can't say any more than has been said after AndyPs last post.

🙂

I wonder if good old 'Peaty' would have won the Worlds if he was riding on a Raleigh Shopper?

My vote goes to Chrissie Wellington, [b]three times world[/b] Ironman champ.....

My vote goes to Chrissie Wellington

good luck with trying to cast that vote then

Leaving aside the daftness of "it's got a lot of technology ergo it's not a sport", at least F1 is [i]sometimes[/i] entertaining to watch, whereas any cycling apart from BMX or trials is about as entertaining as watching a plate of mashed potato going cold.

I think DH biking could make good TV if the same budget and production as say DH skiing was applied; however it's not, so it's shit. Ho hum.

Bez, tell me where I can see a video of an exciting F1 race, oops, I'll have to dig out my betamax... F1 hasn't been exiting since Tyrell removed there extra two wheels!!

I love peaty as well but sadly no one, well not many, outside the sport knows him.

Personality AND achievement??? Surely Haye? Did you see the size of that Monster he fought????? close thing though actually with Button as he is a top fella (met him a couple years back) and kept his nerve to win the world title against better drivers in cars as good as his!

Still wont vote or watch it mind.... There is Night Riding to be done!

Downhilling on tv is a niche slot on eurosports along with bmx, it would never become popular as skiing because there are more than enough sloanes and well healed middle class executive family types who go skiing and lap up the atmosphere on tv whilst they dream of their winter week in Tignes or Gstaad.

Bez is quite right about being poor tv coverage. The freecaster coverage was good if you knew what was going on because Warner was not going to tell you and the few cameras on the hill, the gaps between cameras meant anything could and did happen making the next time you saw the rider rather irrelevant as he could have lost 30 or more places whilst out of sight.

Still wrong though the the Yorkshire Post did not put him forward especially as he stuffed the rest of yorkshire's greatest at their own local gong show, He clearly means something substantial to a lot more people than downhillers east of the Pennines.

problem with f1 car racing being a sport is that a poor kid can nick a bike or pair of running shoes and get racing and make the way to world champion if they have the desire, drive and ability and are not caught by the police. Yer average kid who steals a fiesta will never probably even get into Silverstone without ram raiding the fence. Motorsport is as much reliant on privilege through access to money as it is to a skill ability to roll a steering wheel one way or the other whilst knowing which foot to press down hard on.

I am sure Button's a fine chap but I know from Moto x and trials these days the next generation of world great riders are more likely to be sons or nephews of the last generation of champions than any new blood on the block. Take young Tomes or the Lampkins as an example

Sloaner,

spot on! I was brought up on a diet of motorsport and modern F1 has killed my interest.

Nothing finer than sportscar racing but to think that F1 is the pinnacle of motorsport is sad.

It's not even competitive! Not a good spectator sport and there is too much money in it which results in drivers who have no personality let alone the sports personality of the year!!

if the same budget and production as say DH skiing was applied

I was also thinking overnight - I wonder just what good old 'Peaty''s fitness levels are like compared to an F1 driver.

And still don't understand how sitting on a bike as gravity throws it down a hill is a sport when sitting in a car whilst an engine drives the wheels in order to push it around a track isn't a sport.

This is how they have selected the shortlist.

Special mention to the star on sunday for including that proud brit cristiano ronaldo.......

[url] http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/tv_and_radio/sports_personality_of_the_year/8386785.stm [/url]

[i]Still waiting for glenp to show me where I specified there was no physical dimension... [/i]

[i] glenp - Member

Not sure why I need to go back and find out where you said it - anyway, here it is:

no physical effort or fitness required then?

you're right, that should be the only criteria. [/i]

erm...now can you point out where I specified there was no physical dimension, as per my post?
ta
fair comment on the Richard Hammond stuff. I have no idea how good he is at driving any car let alone a F1 car so I'll take your word for that one.

oh - and [i]Neither Cav nor Wiggins are world champs[/i]
True dat. Just ex-world champs.

This is how they have selected the shortlist.

Interesting.

So Wiggins was twelth most popular with 8 votes.

And Tom Daley and Flintoff tied in tenth. I wonder how they decided who to pick?