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"He told me I should have a health warning because my backside was going to cause an accident," she said.
From the road.cc article this appears to have come from.
https://road.cc/content/news/female-cyclist-confronts-man-who-made-sexual-remarks-her-283899
“This was the second occasion of harassment I’d received that afternoon having had another man shout that he was going to ‘f*ck me in the arse’,” she continued.
Disgusting behaviour, just another example of the effects of the mainstream medias othering, in combination with knuckle dragging misogynistic bullshit
Hats off to her for confronting him. Shouldn’t have blurred his face out though. He deserves to be shamed.
I remember seeing a yt video of a woman cyclist being harassed by some men in a white van.
She had the last laugh as she punched off the wing mirror of their van,and the motorcyclist behind who had filmed the whole thing told them they deserved it.
It is a shame that this goes on but hopefully videos will shame the perps.
She had the last laugh as she punched off the wing mirror of their van,and the motorcyclist behind who had filmed the whole thing told them they deserved it.
I remember that one. Criminal damage is never the "right" answer but it was deserved
She had the last laugh as she punched off the wing mirror of their van,and the motorcyclist behind who had filmed the whole thing told them they deserved it.
Whilst I agree with the message, I think that video was staged.
Hats off to her for confronting him. Shouldn’t have blurred his face out though. He deserves to be shamed.
Absolutely. Sex pests should be publicly shamed.
If she got him on video, I wonder if the police would be interested in having a chat with him?
I once had a comment regarding “look at the arse on her” as I rode past. I think he was a little shocked at the beard when I turned my head. His mates seemed to laugh at him not me. To be fair, I may have let my hair go a little early Nader the helmet.
Still it’s just not acceptable behaviour.
"I wonder if the police would be interested in having a chat with him?"
If she smashed off his wing mirror it's more likely they'd want to talk to her too, and she could well be charged with criminal damage.
I meant the original one, not the wing mirror smashing.
I’m going for stages purely because I doubt there are many people who could smash a wing mirror off. They are quite well bolted on
The mirror one was staged. Iirc it was a social media company showing they could make something for viral
Wasn't it a forumite from here who smashed a Transit mirror off?
I’ve taken a wing mirror off in anger and it’s not that difficult. Don’t condone it but it’s all some understand. Criminal damage or not. In the heat of the moment it seemed preferable to gbh. Also been clipped by someone with no spacial awareness resulting in it happening. The second one was rather hurty and destroyed one of my grips.
Hit the mirror with a downward strike, not a sideways one. They cant fold and will often break.
Ignoring all the bullshit/fake video/wing mirror distractions on the thread (well done Alpin, really don't think that video was needed).. I'm sure female cyclists have had to put up with this kid of crap for decades. The only good thing about this is that the "me too" generation, for want of a better description now have to confidence to confront the sexist morons AND report it. That has to be a change for the good I reckon.
Im so glad this story has made the news and I hope the driver gets fined or something. I reported a driver recently who was forced to either gets points or attend a driver awareness course.
Putting a foot through a door mirror works, apparently...
But as DezB states I'm glad people are raising these issues and we need to stand with them and call this behaviour out.
I think we just need a wing mirror tax. It should apply to harassment, close passes (especially oncoming close passes), common ****tery at crossings, and parking on pavements.
Just "common ****tery" on it's own should be made an offence 👍
Common ****tery definitely needs to become a real offence. As per others I’m just glad this is getting attention.
Dezb +1.
Cardiff cyclist confronts driver who sexually harassed her
How about "Victim confronts sexual harasser", the fact that she is a cyclist is incidental to the story and while it is fine to mention what she was doing at the time in the article, it distracts from the story IMO to label her by her activity.
Unfortunately by attaching her to a "separate group" from most readers it creates barriers to understanding the problem. I wish the media would just give a little more thought to such labels and how it divides when what is needed is a bit of togetherness and understanding.
She deserves a pat on the bum for bravado 😉
I've taken a transit mirror off when it left hooked me. Not great when you are doing 25 mph on a road bike. One broken wrist and a broken bike, but I got his mirror. Driver legged it.
Unfortunately by attaching her to a “separate group” from most readers it creates barriers to understanding the problem. I wish the media would just give a little more thought to such labels and how it divides when what is needed is a bit of togetherness and understanding.
Possibly its a deliberate act to appear to all sides, and raise contempt for cyclists, or cyclists against drivers as entitled. Papers do this all the time. More clicks and sod the actual point.
@plus-one that's a minus one from me, I guess you're being funny, but....
And Chrispo, that is sexual harassment. Wolf whistling has been called out so why would you think that was acceptable?
Why small mind blokes can't stop their brain farts from squeaking out is beyond me. I'll be honest I process similar sid james thoughts on occasion, but never do I verbalise them. It's not difficult..
Only this week my pal was cycling along a country road in Lincolnshire when he heard his wife , who was behind, squeal out. Yoofs in a hatchback roared past with one struggling to get back in the passenger window, he had slapped my mates wife on the backside , pretty hard apparently. he was so concerned at her outburst that he didn't get their number , unfortunately.
Yes I’m being totally silly !! But !! Sometimes the lines blur excessively 🙁
As a cyclist experiencing imaginary/fantasy OOBE, am often taken by the perverse and mildly corrective desire to slap my own fat cycling arse. Happily, I thinknto day that such errancy doesn’t translate into real life, and neither (gods forbid) towards acting upon any (even half-buried) impulse to smack a random pedaller’s lower cheeks.
This uncomfortably candid announcement was brought to you by Sunday & beer.
So on a sliding scale how bad does it have to be before it is sexual harassment? Do the comments have to be more sexualised? Mild touching never really hurts?
Unless you've had your head in a hole for the last few weeks - since the murder of Sarah Everard has brought into stark relief - our wives, girlfriends, daughters, sisters are being harassed routinely by idiots that think it's a compliment, a bit of banter. And people like you are facilitating it with comments like yours.
I suspected the same as rogermoore when you posted the story without comment, that you were aiming for clicks. I didn't respond but now see you've doubled down and confirmed it.
Misogyny, pure and simple. By them, and you.
Don’t talk shit Chrispo.
You’re hopeful. 😀
Yeah, sorry CZ. I should know better than to engage with the bellends.
he had slapped my mates wife on the backside , pretty hard apparently.
This happened to my other half too. Hard enough that by the time she got home, half an hour later, there was still a recognisable handprint with 5 fingers there.
Despite having the van reg and video evidence that it had followed her up the road from a village Derbyshire (mostly) and S. Yorks police managed to do sweet FA about it.
I remember seeing a yt video of a woman cyclist being harassed by some men in a white van.
She had the last laugh as she punched off the wing mirror of their van,and the motorcyclist behind who had filmed the whole thing told them they deserved it.
It is a shame that this goes on but hopefully videos will shame the perps.
That was a well known fake filmed for some marketing campiagn.
Damn good job the lady in question was a competent cyclist , the consequences of a rider going down under such an assault does not bear thinking about ne'er mind the unwarranted and unquestionable fact that it is sexual assault, no ifs no buts lads.
Despite having the van reg and video evidence that it had followed her up the road from a village Derbyshire (mostly) and S. Yorks police managed to do sweet FA about it.
you sound surprised. What did you think they would do? At best they could talk to the driver but that wouldn’t get them any closer to who hit her unfortunately
Some bloke that I used to teach guitar once called me on a Monday evening to cancel his lesson. He worked on sites so was often travelling a few hours away from home to work. Anyway, this one particular evening on the way home he'd got into a beef with a cyclist. He'd left his keys in the ignition, and the cyclist promptly grabbed them and lobbed them into the field they were pulled up next to 😂
Derbyshire (mostly) and S. Yorks police managed to do sweet FA about it.
To be fair to S Yorks police, they did all they could, but it was the wrong side of the county boundary.
They came and talked to me as soon as they could, traced the van etc, and then realised that due to the location of the assault they weren’t able to take it any further. They passed all the information to Derbyshire police, who gave the case to someone who was about to go on leave. When the Derbyshire guy finally got round to doing something about it almost 2 months later, the owner of the van said “I’ve only just bought it” and the police closed the case as the van was untaxed and uninsured at the time of the incident so they “couldn’t do any more”.
I don’t know if S Yorkshire police did anything about the untaxed / uninsured offence, but they came across as a lot more proactive about the assault than the Derbyshire lot.
Was just putting the other point of view, held by quite possibly the majority in the real world.
Turns out this mildly Clarksonian take was too offensive to remain on view.
Yet it is fine to call people and their spouses stupid ****s on here.
It’s PC gone mad, I tell you.
I don't mind saying, I reported the post.
I asked it not be taken down, but instead maybe a response from one of STW lady staffers might be appropriate whether they think it's just bantz, however the mods said that many on here had already responded appropriately.
I don't care whether others think it's acceptable, it's not. As I said before how bad does it have to be before it is sexual harassment? Do the comments have to be more sexualised? Mild touching never really hurts? C'mon, where's your line?
Your views are misogynist, simple as. Like Clarkson, FWIW.
Was just putting the other point of view, held by quite possibly the majority in the real world.
Given there are more women than men in the UK, by almost a million, I reckon you’re on shakey ground there. That’s without counting men who aren’t trapped in the 70’s.
It’s PC gone mad, I tell you.
As my comment was also deleted as I quoted your offensive text, I’ll say it again. You are part of the problem.
.. I said before how bad does it have to be before it is sexual harassment? Do the comments have to be more sexualised? Mild touching never really hurts? C’mon, where’s your line?
Discussed this with my partner, after I'd told her about the OP incident, she yelled "That's sexual harrassment!!" before I could finish. Mainly we discussed this because of how brave a woman would have to be to confront an offender like that. She's often told me about fear she has driving when gestured at by men, fear just walking the street, things that we just can't imagine as it NEVER happens to us.
But... there's also the "private" jokes, like plus-one's on the other page (which made me smile), which can certainly be acceptable, if they don't have a victim. We are still allowed to have a sense of humour! Talked about this cos during the UCI Women's race I'd joked about one of the rider's bottoms having a mud stripe down it. I was reassured that I am indeed, hilarious and not (very) sexist 😀
I’ve no idea what was deleted but this line is always a great shibboleth of an Olympic-grade bellend. See also, “triggered” and “snowflake” and any other pissant whining when someone gets called out for being a fin du cloche.
How anyone could take that line at face value I really do not know.
If you find STW too PC then I suggest you **** off to Pistonheads where you’ll fit right in.
This is my point. You’re all falling over yourselves to be wokest of opinion, yet consider it acceptable to abuse actual people on this site.
I don’t mind saying, I reported the post.
Fair play. I’m not sure why it needed reporting or moderating though. It’s a common viewpoint that can’t really be suppressed and is easily countered.
I don’t care whether others think it’s acceptable, it’s not.
That’s not very democratic. Is it right to deny them a voice? Wouldn’t it be better to persuade?
As I said before how bad does it have to be before it is sexual harassment? Do the comments have to be more sexualised? Mild touching never really hurts? C’mon, where’s your line?
Legalising rape? Why did the straw man cross the road?
This is a big part of the debate. Where DO you draw the line? The lower (higher?) you draw it, the fewer people you will have onside. And the more the big things will be drowned out by the little things.
Your views are misogynist, simple as.
I haven’t expressed my views. And before you or someone else leaps on that, I can do that if I want. Did you never have debates at school where you had to argue the unpopular side?
The suppression/cancellation/abuse of dissenting views on this site irritates me sometimes and that’s why I chip in. Call me a **** for that if you want but it’s who I am.
I'm going to remember that next time I say something stupid.
"I was arguing an unpopular opinion, you know...like at school"
Yay, it's gonna turn into a typie-typie-embedded-quotey-fest! Haven't had one of those for ...oooh, a good week.
Chrispo - as I said, I asked for it to be left up so your point could be debated. Not my choice to take it down, but if you post comments like those without condemning them then you have to expect to be considered as aligning with them.
Where the line is, is not a straw man. It's a question; when ladies absolutely say it's not acceptable I'm interested in YOUR opinion about what is and isn't. Do you really think it's just bantz? Or are they all being woke as well? They love it really they just pretend to be offended?
I’m going to remember that next time I say something stupid.
“I was arguing an unpopular opinion, you know…like at school”
Henceforth known as 'The Welsh Defence'
oh, and FWIW
yet consider it acceptable to abuse actual people on this site.
It's not, I side with you absolutely on this. Whatever we think of racists and sexists and..... and however abhorrent their views, we should remain civil while calling them out on their views.
Was just putting the other point of view, held by quite possibly the majority in the real world.
Could people refer to my post second one I think. Prior to this slightly less revolting comment someone said the would "**** her up the arse" it wasn't reported on the been article but it helps add context and if you manage to open your eyes it helps highlight the slow drip, drip of sexual harassment and also how seemingly less "serious" bangs shite needs stamping out.
If you find STW too PC then I suggest you **** off to Pistonheads where you’ll fit right in.
Ah, is that where they've all gone...... political variants of concern?
Autocorrect is shite isn't it.
Bangs = bants and been = beeb
someone said woke blah blah blahshit
I can't believe we are having to have a discussion about whether or not it is acceptable for a larger stronger person to intimidate a weaker person, because that is what this is and made worse by the sexual context. What kind of society do we want?!
Did you never have debates at school where you had to argue the unpopular side?
This isn’t a school debate though. What made you choose the offensive position in this case, among a group of strangers?
Either you have offensive views, or you are pretending to have offensive views in order to offend. Which makes you a troll.
To then constantly, deliberately take the difficult/offensive position, then complain when people call you/yours a ****, seems like you are aiming for that in the first place, trying to bait others.
Fair play. I’m not sure why it needed reporting or moderating though. It’s a common viewpoint that can’t really be suppressed and is easily countered.
Oh sure. And 50 million Elvis fans can't be wrong.
yet consider it acceptable to abuse actual people on this site.
It’s not, I side with you absolutely on this. Whatever we think of racists and sexists and….. and however abhorrent their views, we should remain civil while calling them out on their views.
An unpopular view on here sadly, as I found out earlier today
I typed out a long post but got tied up in knots. It's so much easier to go full woke than to navigate the minefield and look for nuance (shades of grey, who defines offence, where is the line, role of context, absolute vs relative, crowding out more serious stuff).
Some good points made above though. If I did offend anyone, I do apologise. Not my intention. Seems it's easy to do.
I don't know where you draw the line. I'd never say anything like that. But I know people who would, and I also know people who would take it as it was intended.
and I also know people who would take it as it was intended.
How was it intended and how do you know this?
Seems it’s easy to do.
Of course, yes…
It’s so much easier to go full woke than to navigate the minefield ......
Still can't work out if this is clumsy or you just can't help barbing every comment, but standing up against people who comment on women in the street is not 'going full woke'. I've got to be honest, I don't think it's a very grey area at all, commenting on people in this way is just not acceptable. It's not banter, and it's not harmless / victimless.
I don’t know where you draw the line. I’d never say anything like that. But I know people who would and I also know people who would take it as it was intended.
If you aren't part of the solution you're part of the problem. Call it out for what it is. Don't tolerate it.
This is my point. You’re all falling over yourselves to be wokest of opinion, yet consider it acceptable to abuse actual people on this site.
Oh yeah, you can add "woke" to the list of shitbag flags too. Just another right-wing fascist bullshit pseudo-insult designed to cancel people who dare to suggest that we might want to be nice to each other.
consider it acceptable to abuse actual people on this site.
You think me suggesting an alternative forum which might be more receptive to your views is 'abuse'?
****ing Snowflake.
Corollary,
If you don't want to be called names and then run and cry "abuse," don't throw around terms that you freely admit yourself you think are abusive. Because you're gonna get it back with bells on if you do, this isn't Facebook.
STW is highly effective at self-policing, with a little steering and an occasional dash of chlorine in the gene pool we've finely tuned it over a decade or two to not give *-ists an uncontested platform. Be nice and everyone else will be nice back to you. Be nasty and you must accept that people will call you out for it. Be nasty and then go whining to teacher and you'll get laughed out of the room.
You will rarely be officially censored, but you can choose to make a positive contribution or a negative one. Something about making beds or reaping what you sow or getting out what you put in, or something.
Woke
Alert, aware of what is going on, or well-informed, especially in racial and other social justice issues
If somebody called me woke I would consider that a compliment. For those that are using woke in a way they think is an insult (on this thread) can they explain what is wrong with being aware or well informed?
Just to point out the " abuse" crispo suffered was me calling out his other halfs anti vax views somewhat harshly - for which I was warned and the post removed. so you are not free to abuse folk on here. Moderation does work
Agree, I have had a warning and post removed for crossing the line in the past.
You think me suggesting an alternative forum which might be more receptive to your views is ‘abuse’?
**** Snowflake.
I suspect that the reference was to other stuff. Such as you referring to people who use the term "woke" of being "right-wing fascist".
Interesting that you should make the "chlorine" comment because stw has indeed been politically sterilised in recent years, there is little chance of seeing a comment in support of Boris Johnson, the Tories, Brexit, or anything else that offends middle-class liberal sensitivities.
And yes as you say stw is highly effective in self-policing, or in stifling debate depending on your point of view. I did consider posting my opinion that the lady in the story probably made a mistake catching up with the catcaller and telling him he was disgusting as a reaction was surely what he was after, indeed he apparently laughed and drove off.
But yet despite caring little about upsetting the sensitivities of middle-class liberals I frankly couldn't be arsed with the likely the likely reaction....."you're blaming the victim, you right-wing fascist, next you'll be claiming that rape is acceptable, blah, blah, blah"
Cougar
It’s PC gone mad
If you find STW too PC then I suggest you **** off to Pistonheads where you’ll fit right in.
Sorry for the messy quoting, but I found this hilarious....because....
I work with a bloke who is a red-faced closet racist, sexist, misogynistic bloke who will whine on to anyone who listens about 'PC gone mad', 'Health & Safety gone mad', Big Pharma conspiracies etc. and he is an ardent fan of & contributor on Pistonheads.
He has these big opinions that he thinks make him sound big & clever which he will loudly bleat around the office but when you call him up on the things he says, he has no real viewpoint or opinion on it of any substance. I'm not very good at arguing/discussion and getting an objective viewpoint across, but it's fairly easy to tear this bloke to shreds with a few reasoned points of debate.
yet consider it acceptable to abuse actual people on this site.
dont talk rot. If there was a forum member seriously posting about how "they went for a ride with another forum member and she had a cracking arse" or "have you seen that post on the front page about Emily Batty, phwoar", i think the admins would be having words. Calling someone out for being a **** is totally different.
@ernielynch - STW isn't sterilized, it's robust: if you make a claim and can't back it up then you will be called out on it. See the various Brexit threads as an example, someone turns up, makes a statement and is asked to back it up with *facts*, they can't so leave. Just how many flat earther threads are there?
None of the above justifies personal abuse (either here or in real life) which is what this thread is about: personal verbal abuse of a sexual nature. Exposing it and calling it out isn't "wokism" it's a mark of personal integrity.
Forgive me for turning up to the forum in a short skirt. I must be asking for it.
Forgive me for turning up to the forum in a short skirt. I must be asking for it.
There's plenty of support here for trans people. Less support for those trolling for a reaction.
blah, blah, blah
Although it didn't seem to stop you suggesting that women become nurses just so they could marry doctors the other week.
https://time.com/4772182/sexual-harassment-workplace-women-men/
I've had this from both men and women 🙁
Nothing happened to me on these occasions, but very comfortable.
All those little inner Sid James or the female equivelant needs to be kicked into touch. ASAP.
Forgive me for turning up to the forum in a short skirt. I must be asking for it.
As I've nailed my colours firmly to the "no need to be insulting " mast, can I just say that I am surprised that you thought posting that was a good idea. 🤦♂️
I must be asking for it.
For attention? Quite clearly.
If there was a forum member seriously posting about how “they went for a ride with another forum member and she had a cracking arse” or “have you seen that post on the front page about Emily Batty, phwoar”, i think the admins would be having words.
The late SimonFBarnes was a proponent of this and was rebuked on occasion, I seem to recall
Interesting that you should make the “chlorine” comment because stw has indeed been politically sterilised in recent years, there is little chance of seeing a comment in support of Boris Johnson, the Tories, Brexit, or anything else that offends middle-class liberal sensitivities.
And were the commenters who expressed themselves in support of Boris Johnson, the Tories, Brexit, or anything else that offends middle-class liberal sensitivities banned, or were their posts removed, or is it that they no longer post here as their views are robustly challenged? It's the membership who listen to what you are saying and challenge it, and that is a good thing for me
and yes, sign me up to the whole "I am proud to be woke" movement. Be Nice, even when the other person isn't
And were the commenters who expressed themselves in support of Boris Johnson, the Tories, Brexit, or anything else that offends middle-class liberal sensitivities banned, or were their posts removed, or is it that they no longer post here as their views are robustly challenged?
I think he probably just misses arguing with Jamba and that other Tory fantasist who used to endlessly troll here.
I have strong political views myself, but debating them here seems a bit pointless. Not to mention that the main political threads are often dominated by a few tiresome individuals.