[Closed] BAN TRUMP FROM THE UK PETITION

Let me get this right.......you are quoting Chewwy to back you up?!

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Well it really speaks volumes if you failed to understand that quoting Chewwy's approving posts doesn't strengthen your case ninfan!

Btw it amuses greatly how both you and Chewwy like to portray any criticism of Donald Trump's bigoted incendiary comments as the sole reserve of "lefties" when David Cameron has described Trump's comments as "divisive, stupid and wrong", and Boris Johnson as betraying "stupefying ignorance" which according to Johnson proves that he is "unfit to be US President".

While the Met Police, after pointing out that they "would not normally dignify such comments with a response", claim that "Mr Trump could not be more wrong".

Now of course most people wouldn't consider David Cameron nor Boris Johnson of being "lefties" (nor indeed the Met Police of being a cabal of hand-wringing lefties) but I am perfectly prepared to accept that both you and Chewwy see them as lefties - immersed as you both are in your bizarre extreme right-wing world.

After all the US Republican Tea Party activists see Barack Obama as a communist/socialist Muslim and I can't imagine that much more than a fag paper separates you and Chewwy from the Republican Tea Party activists, if that.

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Are you unable to form your own opinions Ernie? Is that why you just parrot what you hear in Socialist Worker?

Go on, how many Trump speeches have you watched in full to form your own opinion?

Are you unable to form your own opinions Ernie?

You've got me there ninfan........'Tis true.

I think you've just delivered the knockout blow. Well done.

LOLing at this thread.

Both Ernie and Ninfan have made some decent points - but the pair of you are so utterly offended by each others positions that this has turned into a chimps shit hurling competition.

Really commendable guys, you can do better than that.

Tom_W1987 - Member

LOLing at this thread.

Both Ernie and Ninfan have made some decent points - but the pair of you are so utterly offended by each others positions that this has turned into a[b] chimps shit hurling competition[/b].

Careful ... someone might interpret that differently taking it out of context totally. 😆

Really commendable guys, you can do better than that.

Me! Me! Me! How about me! I Cameron & Boris are just riding the opportunities presented to them. I don't see them lefties nor righties ... just Tories.

I ain't no extreme righties nor lefties but I just know that the machine of bureaucracy is slowly turning people into ZMs. That I am sure of! 😯

Tom_W1987 - Member

Both Ernie and Ninfan have made some decent points

I wasn't aware that Ninfan had made any points.

What were they?

I said no such thing

Much like Farage, he has set the agenda for a large portion of the contest, taking it places that the 'established' politicians would never have gone. like immigration, free trade and the balance of trade (especially with China, Mexico and the Middle East)

If he's taken it there with some gimmicky stuff that trolls and undermines the established order, but ultimately gets people talking about the some of the subjects that otherwise wouldn't have been, but actually connect with voters, then it's a clear win for him.

Well Ernie, he's spot on with his analysis of Trumps tactics.

Trump's tactics are pretty self-evident.

I said a day ago [i]"Trump has helped significantly in spreading division and hatred"[/i]

And the whole point of me resurrecting the thread after it had laid dormant for a week was precisely to draw attention to how successful Trump had been. Ninfan actually claimed that the poll findings couldn't be trusted :

ninfan - Member

Ah, ridiculous polls!

It's like jumping up and down saying that a quarter of British Muslims supported the Charlie Hebdo massacre - you can make a poll say just about whatever you want if you try hard enough.

I also said that [i]"I expect those figures to continue to grow".[/i]

And I said that Trump [i]"knows exactly what he's doing"[/i] while Ninfan says that he "suspects" Trump knows what he is doing.

If you think that Ninfan has made some "decent points" then fair enough. I don't agree.

Without looking into how the polls were sampled, he could have a valid point in regards to those. I cant be arsed to read further back right now.

So he could have a valid point if only you could be arsed to find out. Well that's convinced me.

What about this other "point" he made :

ninfan - Member

Funny - the lefties jump up and down complaining how the press don't give Corbyn fair representation, yet remain oblivious to the possibility that the press representation of Trump might just be p, shock horror, unrepresentative and biased

There is no doubt that many people, and not just Corbyn supporters btw, have expressed dismay how Corbyn's views have been deliberately misrepresented in certain sections of the media.

I am not aware however that Trump's supporters, or even indeed Trump himself, have ever claimed that he has been misrepresented by the media, in fact they seem to relish the furore which his comments create.

So does Ninfan have a "valid point" in your opinion?

And btw note how Ninfan uses his favourite tactic of presenting this as "lefties" ganging up when in fact condemnation of Trump's incendiary comments and lies have come from across the political spectrum, including as I have pointed out from very senior Tory politicians, and the Met Police.

I am not aware however that Trump's supporters, or even indeed Trump himself, have ever claimed that he has been misrepresented by the media, in fact they seem to relish the furore which his comments create.

Thats odd - Ann coulter said exactly the on the video I linked to at 3:28 onwards

I wasted a few seconds of my life listening to that. I repeat, I am not aware that Trump's supporters, or even indeed Trump himself, have ever claimed that he has been misrepresented by the media. Even if you managed to find a clip of some woman claiming how funny Trump apparently is.

Lies such as that the British police are scared of Muslim areas of London and that New Jersey Muslims celebrated 9/11 can be directed attributed to Trump and no attempt has been made by him to claim that he has been misrepresented.

And he stands by his claims that Mexicans have a tendency to be rapists and that Muslims should be banned from the US.

He has not been misrepresented.

I repeat, I am not aware that Trump's supporters, or even indeed Trump himself, have ever claimed that he has been misrepresented by the media.

[i]"That's a typical case of the press with misinterpretation...they take a half a sentence, then they take a quarter of a sentence, they put it all together. It's a typical thing"[/i]

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Ok fair enough you've found a genuine example of Trump claiming that he's been misrepresented rather than your previous pointless example, I said I wasn't aware of any.

So is his claim correct? Contrary to you assertion I would be more than happy to consider the possibility that Trump has been deliberately misrepresented and that he hasn't called for Muslims to be banned from the US, or claimed that the British police are scared of Muslim areas of London, or that Mexicans are more likely to rape.

In fact I would be very happy indeed to be told that he doesn't hold those views, why wouldn't I be ffs?

The evidence doesn't bode well though.

[url= http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jul/02/donald-trump-racist-claims-mexico-rapes ]Donald Trump doubles down on Mexico 'rapists' comments despite outrage[/url]

So go on Ninfan.....set the record straight. What didn't he say that people including senior Tories claim he said?

EDIT : Btw much of Trump's comments and views have also been condemned by very senior Republican politicians, despite your ridiculous claim that it's all the work of "lefties jumping up and down".

I read Trump's tweets, perhaps he's been misrepresented on there by himself.

He does refer to himself in the third person. Think about it people....

Who said that !?!

And now the consequences of the Islamophobia which Trump's divisive and bigoted outbursts helps to fuel - British Muslims are banned from visiting Disneyland :

[url= http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/david-cameron/12065608/David-Cameron-urged-to-intervene-as-US-bans-Muslim-family.html ]David Cameron urged to intervene as US bans Muslim family[/url]

[i]"Just a week ago, parliamentarians were united in agreement that Trump's views were abhorrent. Now we should do more than shrug our shoulders at secretive American security policies that leave our constituents in such limbo"[/i]

ernie_lynch - Member

And now the consequences of the Islamophobia which Trump's divisive and bigoted outbursts helps to fuel - British Muslims are banned from visiting Disneyland :

Do people still go to Disneyland? Yeap, they should be banned alright not because they are Muslims but because they have bad taste. 🙄

British Muslims are banned from visiting Disneyland :

How did the US department of homeland security work out their religion?

As above, I do think it's interesting that anyone critical of him is seen as a member of the loony left.

At worst he's bigoted and ignorant, at best he's either really badly informed or coldly manipulative. Either way those are hardly desirable traits for a future world leader.

Oh, and on terrorism, he's a hypocrite (apologies if already posted):

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/donald-trump/12042955/Donald-Trump-attended-New-York-Sinn-Fein-dinner-before-IRA-London-terror-attack.html

..and don't get me started on his support for the NRA (yes, I know he's not unique in that)...twelve thousand gunshot homicides in the US compared to 40 from domestic terrorism, three hundred mass shooting a year (only one allegedly by Islamic extremists) and he tells the country Muslims are the main problem for national security... if ISIS really want to kill Americans in industrial quantities then they could do worse than throwing a wedge of money into the NRA campaign coffers.

He makes me really angry. Can you tell?

ninfan - Member

How did the US department of homeland security work out their religion?

How about through stereotyping and prejudice, in this particular case the names of the individuals?

After all isn't that what bigotry relies on, ie, stereotyping and prejudice?

In fact it would be brilliant if the individuals weren't even Muslims let alone potential terrorists.

@ernie, the US are entitled to issue or not a visa to anyone as they see fit. None of us have any idea of the real background of the two men leading the holiday party. Nigella Lawson was denied a US VISA as she admitted to taking cocaine a few times in the past. We have no idea of the reason for their refusal, specilating it is because of their name or religion is jist that speculation. I am sorry their holiday has been ruined and the flights are non refunadable but thats the US right to issue a visa undsr their waiver programme or not and to revoke it if they wish

^This. Hopefully the conclusion that everybody's jumping to is wrong! There was some interesting chat about it on PM on R4 just now.

How about through stereotyping and prejudice, in this particular case the names of the individuals?

There could be a thousand reasons - from their previous travel history flagging up as a risk (wildly hypothesising here that there may be a history of multiple visits to ****stan for example) through to previous convictions (sometimes as little as a caution for cannabis posession)

All we have here is 'refused entry' and 'Muslim' and a huge leap to one driving the other.

By the way - have we done Trump saying that we should never have gone into Iraq, and spent the three trillion wasted dollars on our hospitals instead:

Trump comes on @ about 18 min, Iraq discussion at about 24.30 - go on, watch the whole interview, I dare you.

No one is questioning the right of the US jamby just their motive and their reason- not sure why this needed to be stated.
Have you another suggestion as to why the Muslims who were granted a visa had it revoked or do you just want to say we dont know because they have not said

Surely if one refuses a person entry its not unreasonable to be given an reason for this. If none is given we have to guess and we will go for the obvious until informed otherwise.

There could be a thousand reasons - from their previous travel history flagging up as a risk (wildly hypothesising here that there may be a history of multiple visits to ****stan for example) through to previous convictions (sometimes as little as a caution for cannabis posession)

You do know they issued visas and then withdrew them?

WHy am i engaging with the troll bot

Forgive me

Chap on R4 was saying that checks are ongoing between your visa issuance and your flight. I don't know why they were refused, and there might be good reasons for withholding the reason. It's hard to imagine it's anything to do with a tubthumping loony-right would-be presidential candidate though!

Has he pitched in for mayor of London yet we love a comedy character we do.

About time we had film and porn stars TBH.

£700 million then.

Likely a price worth paying!

There isn't a snowballs chance in hell he will be banned. The Tories have already said as much and its Tera May's decision.

Of course he won't be banned, just nice it's being raised in parliament as it shows we as a nation don't approve of shite pedalling uber trolls, like Trump , (hope farrige would get the message to the wheels have obviously fallen off his ego wagon recently)

I say give all the BritLand tourists to Merica full cavity search upon arrival at Merican airports especially those that signed the petition.

Hope the fingers up their cavity will give them the message and wake them up a bit ... oh look the names on the list ... give it to airport security coz they could be potential trouble makers to incite ...

Where's the rubber gloves ...

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Because everyone loves a bit of sexual assault.

Or is it just reserved for those who talk out of their arse.

There isn't a snowballs chance in hell he will [s]be banned[/s] [b]invest £700M into Scotland[/b]

thisisnotaspoon - Member
Because everyone loves a bit of sexual assault.
Or is it just reserved for those who talk out of their arse.

Coz they could be potential minority that want to influence Merican's way of life so better have full cavity search just in case ... just like their accusation that Trump would influence their way of life in BritLand.

Or is it just a group bias minority that refuse to realise the UK is heaven for doggy investors from other countries worst than Trump?

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surroundedbyhills - Member
His business interests in Scotland are shyte. He won't be President of YooEssA anytime. Ever.

If not him then Clinton (female) will invest? ... eewwwee ... That woman should not be allowed to speak! (in male Clinton voice when he denied affairs with another female).

the UK is heaven for doggy investors

Because we Winalot?

Trump's previous promises of massive investment and job creation have turned out to be rubbish - the £700M is rubbish too.

Of course he won't be banned, just nice it's being raised in parliament as it shows we as a nation don't approve of shite pedalling uber trolls, like Trump

I think some of the thrust of the original petition has been lost in the spin though - as I read it, it wasn't purely a juvenile "we don't want Trump" petition, instead it pointed out the hypocrisy in banning lots of people from entry into the UK on the grounds of "hate speech" and "inciting racial hatred" but then allowing Trump in.

If they allow Trump in (and obviously they will) then they are sending a message that hate speech is acceptable from crazy white Christian guys but not crazy brownish Muslamic guys.

bencooper - Member

the UK is heaven for doggy investors

Because we Winalot?

No, it's in the nature ... it's business.

They are just being stealth rather than speaking loudly like Trump and are considered as the cash "angles" by the BritLand Govt.

These people don't get scrutinise and will never as they are not that stoopid to want to let you know. Low profile better for business.

Trump's previous promises of massive investment and job creation have turned out to be rubbish - the £700M is rubbish too.

Nahhh ... not sure what to invest in Scotland to be honest but Freedoommm! 😆

GrahamS - Member
If they allow Trump in (and obviously they will) then they are sending a message that hate speech is acceptable from crazy white Christian guys but not crazy brownish Muslamic guys.

You're a bit late to the game aren't you? They are already here ... 🙄

No, it's in the nature ... it's business.

That's what you think, Chum.

You're a bit late to the game aren't you? They are already here ... 🙄

And we chuck them out and/or ban them from entry to the UK if they are found to be inciting racial hatred.

Here is a handy list:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_banned_from_entering_the_United_Kingdom

(pleasingly, and contrary to media coverage, not everyone on that list is a muslamic hate preacher. In fact the majority are Americans)

That's what you think, Chum.

The £700m is a wha whaaa baby cry from him.

Bit like kids if you take their toys away.

I personally would like to see him come over here again. Suspect his trip will be heavily protected at our great expense, a golden handshake in Daves pad in ruralshire, and a swift half down the heavily barricaded local Pub.

Then a trip along the A/M4 in a convey of 400 military grade vehicles, back to his fuelled up jet, Airforce 2.0

Are you suggesting that the UK has not got the pedigree?

IAMSure we do in some respects, pal.

Pretty sure its owned by Mars these days!

Pretty sure Trumps £700 million is much like his chances of actually being president.

Pretty much none existent.

Just to put some numbers to it, 10 years ago Trump claimed he'd be investing $1.5bn to create 6,000 jobs in Scotland.

Total amount invested: £6.4m
Jobs created: Less than 200

bencooper - Member

Just to put some numbers to it, 10 years ago Trump claimed he'd be investing $1.5bn to create 6,000 jobs in Scotland.

Total amount invested: £6.4m
Jobs created: Less than 200

^This. I heard he bought Turnberry for about £35 millions. His talk of hundreds of millions of pounds seems well off the mark. He could singlehandedly bankroll dualling of the A9 with that.

How many times has he gone bankrupt/restructured in the last 10 years?

Only yin way to sort that eejit,the next time Donnie boy is in a bar,in Scotland,he gets called oot fir a "square go".

How many times has he gone bankrupt/restructured in the last 10 years?

Apparently if he'd just taken his huge inheritance and put it in a savings account, he'd be 3x richer now. He's that bad at business.

Pretty sure its owned by Mars these days!

Must be feeling a bit of a chub now...

Did anyone else who signed this get the results of the debate through today?

I scanned the transcript of the debate (which was massive).

It seems that whilst, on the whole most people agreed with the premise of the request, no one was really taking it seriously.

I didn't see anyone really address the fact that the request was for consistency in application of the law. We have banned something like 80 other people for preaching similar things.

I might be wrong that it wasn't addressed, as couldn't read it all (would have taken me all day).

Also, it seems that there was no real objective to the debate. Nothing got decided and the decision of whether to ban him doesn't fall within the remit of this house. Or am I missing something?

Watch the debate: [url= http://parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/83208344-218d-4c43-9300-ca78c374b875 ]
Read the transcript: [url= https://hansard.digiminster.com/commons/2016-01-18/debates/1601186000001/DonaldTrump ][/url]

The Mad World of Donald Trump staring at 2100, C4. Should be a giggle (or an evening fap opportunity for STW's right wing nutjobs).

I hope Trump wins the Presidency then get ban from entering UK ... 😆

That will learn the tiny Brit islanders ...

Clinton wins ... we quicken our doom woohoo!

Blimey some mild contrition from Salmond. What next???

NEVER thought I'd ever agree with Alex Salmond