[Closed] BAN TRUMP FROM THE UK PETITION

Why, specifically?

Trump would love that.

Incitement to racial hatred, behaviour liable to cause a breach of the peace would probably do for starters.

I quote from The Times:

"A parliamentary petition calling on the government to ban Mr Trump from entering the UK under “hate speech” rules had reached more than 21,000 signatures last night."

It appears to me that he's as much a radical loon as any other hate preacher..

Quite exactly what under UK hate speech rules he's done I'm not entirely sure - but under the grounds of good taste alone that man should not be allowed entry to the UK!

Ban people for having different opinions, if he was a real threat to safety and lives yes, but people like him are better kept in the light where he can clearly be seen for what he is.

Mind you, people objected to Churchill for his Nazi scaremongering in the 30's...

Can we start a petition to ban petitions?

Did you see the Sky interview with the lady Muslim SNP MP ? Firstly she was rightly critical of Trump, secondly she repeatedly refused ro respond to the question "should Trumps Scottish golf course planning application be rejected as a result of his statements" - see the SNP support that investment and don't want to risk it.

The petition tries to make a point but is ultimately pointless. Just more PR for Trump.

I am fascinated by this story and to be honest the Tyson Fury thing too.

All the people and press are publicly bullying these guys for expressing an opinion. Yet those who are doing the bullying are preaching a message of tolerance whilst being intolerant of people expressing an opinion different to theirs.

More over those that are being critical appear to be preaching hatred toward Trump and Fury.

Just an observation and I don't expect to be bullied for it. I have simply made and observation and not expressed and opinion on who is right or wrong.

Ironic huh.

These are the words of the petition:

"The signatories believe Donald J Trump should be banned from UK entry for his continued, unrepentant hate speech and unacceptable behaviour. His unacceptable behaviour is well documented, and we feel it foments racial, religious and nationalistic intolerance which should not be welcome in the UK.

The UK has banned entry to many individuals for hate speech. This same principle should apply to Donald J Trump. We cannot see how the United Kingdom can condone his entry to the country when many people have been barred for less."

[url= http://i100.independent.co.uk/article/theres-a-petition-to-ban-donald-trump-from-the-uk-on-hate-speech-grounds--WyIIrWNhX5l ]LINK[/url]

Would be funny if the US follows suit and bans the signatories . 😉

Ironic huh.

The World is full of it...

Ironic huh.

Just a misuse or misunderstanding of freedom of speech

By who & in what context?

Certain hate preachers have been banned from the UK before on similar grounds as have others. There's common ground here with Trump - as much as I dislike the idea of clamping down on any kind of free speech, some things really shouldn't be said. Though, if someone here can explain why it's ok for him to make such inflammatory & blatantly false statements I'll happily listen to that argument & judge it on it's merits.

As I said I've signed because I find the man odious. He was repugnant prior to entering politics & he's not endeared himself to me since..

edit: he's sailing close to the wind & knows it I realise that but he's still a gimp!

The British government is not going to ban Donald Trump from the UK, if for no other reason than that there is a very real possibility that he is going to be the next president of the United States of America.

Allow him in - then scrutinise his nonsense properly. At least then, we may be doing the US population a favour!

I'd vote for him, for the comedy value alone.

...I find the man odious. He was repugnant prior to entering politics...

The British government is not going to ban Donald Trump from the UK

there is a very real possibility that he is going to be the next president of the United States of America

Hardly, the poll numbers are often quoted, but really they're just there at the minute to give the news something to talk about. Trump regularly gets 25-30% poll numbers, but that's from registered, or people who identify as Republican voters, so about 25% of the population overall, so in total Trump has support from about about 8% of the voting public...

And most of the US isn't paying attention, and won't until after Iowa.

Mr Woppit - Member
I'd vote for him, for the comedy value alone.
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I'm going to take a wild stab in the dark

Missed.

Why do I think of this when I picture Trump as President of the US???

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I wonder whether Trump actually wants to be president or just saw another opportunity to be in the limelight?

This kind of reminds me of the New Statesman episode where the Tories put B'stard in charge of the election as the want to lose and avoid having to deal with the economy, of course he wins by offering 4 cans of beer for every vote (or something like that).

If you think Obama looks powerless in the face of intransigence from Senate and Congress, imagine what Chump would look like sitting in the White House like Hitler moving non-existent armies about on a map of Europe in 1945, with nobody taking the slightest bit of notice...

"...and tonight live on Fox! The President shouts at the wall!"

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Not a week goes by without him spouting some other nonsense or other, even fellow Republican Dick Cheney has denounced him.

What really shocked me though was the fact that he's the republican FRONT RUNNER! I thought he was some kind of circus show for the tea party types, and either Jeb Bush or Ben Carson would win it...

Jeeeeeus.

shortcut - Member

All the people and press are publicly bullying these guys for expressing an opinion.

Yes poor Trump, all he's ever done is innocently incited racial hatred and repeatedly attacked people for their faith, (and mexicans for being mexican, and women for being women, and Obama for being black, and facts for being true) and now nasty people are telling him off for it, I feel sorry for the poor defenceless waif.

Calling out a bully isn't bullying.

Allow him in - then scrutinise his nonsense properly

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what "is" actually going on with his hair? Is it just a comb over? Or is there something else? It seems to go both forwards and backwards at the same time!

Hasn't anyone ever told him that he looks like a ****?

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Would be a perfectly legitimate ban IMO. All for it.

If theres one thing in this world that gets results, its petitions! Strikes fear into the heart of those in power, it does.

The best thing to do with idiots is laugh at them. Welcome him in, with open arms, to give us all the benefit of his 'wisdom'. Give him enough rope...

Then just point at him and laugh at his ridiculous rug

The worst thing to do is to start all this nonsense and actually give them credibility.

All the people and press are publicly bullying these guys for expressing an opinion.

Sorry, but bullying? Am I bullying you for disagreeing with you? there's a lot of sensitive souls about, who scream "bullying" whenever anyone disagrees with them.

The idea that a billionaire presidential candidate - or a very rich person who gets paid to hit people - can be bullied by some people on the internet politely but forcefully disagreeing with them is ridiculous.

The best thing to do with idiots is laugh at them.

We do. We are. Doesn't have much effect, does it? The Trump thing was a joke to start with, it's not so funny any more, now that it looks like he has a serious chance of becoming president.

Never sure how much good these things actually manage to achieve...

I think they achieve the sense of doing [i]something[/i] whilst actually doing nothing. Because you're actually doing nothing but 'I clicked a thing' you can then get all indignant about politics because nobody listens to you when you shout your opinion into a paper bag and start a petition about that, to join all the petitions that people have already started about about pretty much the same thing and then you can all click and sign each others petitions without actually bothering anyone, it doesn't even waste paper.

Its great, you don't even have to get off the sofa. 🙂

The best thing to do with idiots is laugh at them.

We do. We are. Doesn't have much effect, does it? The Trump thing was a joke to start with, it's not so funny any more, now that it looks like he has a serious chance of becoming president.

He hasn't got the remotest chance of becoming president. And as pointed out above, even in the infintesimaly slim chance he did, he'd get none of this insane nonsense passed as legislation

I really wouldn't worry about it, and just carry on laughing at him 😆

see the SNP support that investment and don't want to risk it.

Lacked humour and hyperbole therefore 4/10

All the people and press are publicly bullying these guys for expressing an opinion. Yet those who are doing the bullying are preaching a message of tolerance whilst being intolerant of people expressing an opinion different to theirs.

Yeah we should all keep letting all muslims in without being properly vetted, what's the problem? What could possibly go wrong? One world peace..

Yeah we should all keep letting all muslims in without being properly vetted, what's the problem? What could possibly go wrong?

Good straw man there, well done.

Laughing at Trump was good for a while but it's not so funny any more. How funny would you find it, as an american muslim or mexican (or better still immigrant)? Lots of people have isms but tend to keep them inside, until they feel they can get away with it and now you've got a presidential candidate bellowing intolerance from the rooftops, in the news, on the internet, and not everyone's saying "lol, he's nuts, look at his hair". It's bad juju.

And sure, this particular thing is about muslims. But look at how it's fuelled general anti-immigration sentiment. And again the thing about isms is once you tell people it's OK to be anti-islamic specifically, you're also telling them that it's OK to be intolerant generally.

Every time Trump's come out with some "funny" comment about immigration or women or Barack Obama not being a proper american or whatever else, and we've lolled, it's brought him closer to this. And ever time, some ****'s gone "You tell 'em Don!" then gone off and felt justified in being a **** to someone else.

Americas love affair with him may be over

has anyone told him his name is the polite way of saying fart in the UK?
Trump = smelly unwanted discharge. Seems about right.

Hardly, the poll numbers are often quoted, but really they're just there at the minute to give the news something to talk about. Trump regularly gets 25-30% poll numbers, but that's from registered, or people who identify as Republican voters, so about 25% of the population overall, so in total Trump has support from about about 8% of the voting public...

And most of the US isn't paying attention, and won't until after Iowa.

Mere words.

Meanwhile, we welcome our Saudi overlords and turn a blind eye to their human rights abuses.

the danger is he really does win the nomination

Indeed. [url= http://www.paddypower.com/bet/politics/other-politics/us-politics?ev_oc_grp_ids=481890 ]Paddy Power[/url] have him at 9/4 to take the nomination today. I'm entirely conscious that the GOP has had frontrunning loony candidates who have faded to nothing before, and I rather hope he does (Paddy Power have Rubio at 11/8), but he doesn't seem to be getting knocked back so far.

There was a poll floating around a little while ago suggesting that he (currently) polled ahead of any of the Democratic nominees. It's possible to imagine him solidifying that lead if (say) some islamist nutjob shoots up Manhattan (or even London).

Point is, at the odds of getting the nomination that you can currently get, there is no way the UK Home Office are going to put him on the We Don't Want Your Sort Here list - massive diplomatic hostage to fortune. I'm not 100% sure Bashar Assad is on it...

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It's possible to imagine him solidifying that lead if (say) some islamist nutjob shoots up Manhattan (or even London).

Then you have the actual election and very many people will not vote Democrat. I don't think Trump can win but he very well might.

Ya can't ban someone from travelling to a country who has different opinions to yours.

Right, so not signed then.

I think we need him to come over here, make your own opinion based on his speeches and actions after that.

...it looks like he has a serious chance of becoming president.

Should this line be in the "rubbish that get repeated so often everyone thinks they are true" thread ?

Ya can't ban someone from travelling to a country who has different opinions to yours.

Sure you can, the UK does it all the time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_banned_from_entering_the_United_Kingdom

He hasn't broken any Laws though.

Bring him in, listen to him, then make your own mind up.

Yeah we should all keep letting all muslims in without being properly vetted, what's the problem? What could possibly go wrong?

Ahem:

He hasn't broken any Laws though.

Bring him in, listen to him, then ...

.. arrest him for inciting racial hatred and have him deported. 😀

Signed.

He hasn't broken any Laws though.

Bring him in, listen to him, then make your own mind up.

Neither have lots of people on that list.

We can already listen to him, via the internet and TV.

the danger is he really does win the nomination which is only vited for by Republicans

I think what those poll numbers really reflect is that Republican voters haven't made up their minds yet. A couple of things that I would hold in mind. 1. no one remotely like Trump* has ever won a nomination by any major US party in the modern era. 2. In the run up to elections/nominations, is that in reality there too few data points, so I'd give his chances as more than NIL but no more that 20%, and while other people's mileage will vary on that second number, taking polls at face value is dangerous, and it's still too early.

* what I mean is that he openly defies his Party, and most of the party are openly against his nomination in the press and so on, much like Sarah Palin

Invite him on the basis that he has to see Paxman and nothing will be off limits. The Paxman interview is to be first item on his itinerary.

I would pay good money to watch that.

He comes here all the time, flies into Aberdeen on his suitable subtle plane.

I'm of the opinion you let these idiots come and then show them that their views are just wrong.

He won't be US President, no chance.

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sandwich:

The Paxman interview is to be first item on his itinerary.

Rachel

Well [url= https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/114003 ]the petition[/url] now has the 100,000 signatures required to be considered for debate in parliament.

It took less than 24 hours! 😯

considered for debate in parliament.

They do have to give a reason why it is rejected and that will be interesting to see in itself. It might actually be better for the gov to let this run its course.

Rachel

Attack the words, not the man.

If these views are proving popular, it's nothing to do with Trump. It's because society has continued to let these feelings fester unchecked (or perhaps even promoted).

He's already said in responce to the coevrage that he will run as an idependent if necessary as 68% of his supprters have said they will continue to back him.

68% of the 25-30% of the republicans that have already backed him, is an even smaller percentage of the US voting public. He'd have to run as an Independent, as he's unlikely to win the nomination for the Republican party if he keeps on talking about them like he does.

but he would importantly take voters from the nominated Republican candidate (who might well turn out to be worse than Trump!) leaving an advantage to Sanders. Excellent.

Rachel

He has threatened to run as an independent.

This will split the GOP vote and ensure Hills gets it.

I see there's a bit of a campaign afoot to strip him of his honorary degree from RGU. That seems like a good idea to me

(did make me go back through our honorary grads to see if we had anyone embarassing; I have no idea who practically all of them are, except we seem to have given one to Turok: Dinosaur Hunter)

If these views are proving popular, it's nothing to do with Trump.

Indeed that Hitler fella and the stalin fella and the fella Mao were insignificant bit part players in the annals of history where we all agree it had nothing to do with them.

Its a bit of both re whether it is him or these views actually exist but he cannot abdicate all responsibility from what he says by claiming it has nothing to do with him I think Putin does that and pretends to just "follow" the people rather than "lead/Manipulate" them

Don't worry the Film Actors Guild is on it:
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/donald-trump-president-matt-damon-822866

Isn't the scary question (apol if covered above), why does Trump and his views hold appeal. What has happened to the segment of voters who swallow and love this stuff?

Scary...

It's good that it's passed the 100,000 mark as the gov will now have to make a more substantial response than if it had only made 10,000.

What exactly the response will entail remains to be seen.

What has happened to the segment of voters who swallow and love this stuff?

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at best, the segment of voters that have said they'll vote for Trump is about 19 million out of total voter population of 235 million. (8% of total)

'Bout the same percentage* who think the moon landings were faked. 🙂

* The venn of these two groups probably overlaps quite a bit...

Say he gets banned from entering the UK, and then ends up as the US president. What then?

Isn't the scary question (apol if covered above), why does Trump and his views hold appeal. What has happened to the segment of voters who swallow and love this stuff?

All these so called 'Mavericks' in any political system do is shine a light on the failure of mainsteam politics, and disillusionment with the establishment. Same as Farage over here. People feel unrepresented by an aloof elite, which looks after its own, and ignores the people. So they get enthusiastic about someone in an 'anyone but the usual lot' sort of way, and they ride high in the polls.

This rarely translates to actual electoral votes. Ask Nigel. Certainly not enough to give them even a sniff of power anyway. Thankfully

People feel unrepresented by an aloof elite, which looks after its own, and ignores the people. So they get enthusiastic about someone in an 'anyone but the usual lot' sort of way, and they ride high in the polls.

How interesting the mavericks are so establishment and not at all outsiders or radical. Basically some folk are thick gobby racists and they like thick gobby racists as they are "telling it like it is"

I dont think they have mass appeal at all and I think a higher % are revulsed by them than attracted - even within the GOP in his case

Say he gets banned from entering the UK, and then ends up as the US president. What then?

I wouldn't worry about it too much.

That chain of events is about as likely as him getting banned from the US and becoming UK Prime Minister.

People feel unrepresented by an aloof elite, which looks after its own, and ignores the people.

I don't entirely understand why such people would vote Republican in the first place.

Must be an odd position to be condemning Obama for trying to set up basic social healthcare whilst complaining the government does nothing for the people.

Perhaps Trump is more clever than we are giving him credit for....

Instead of the debate being about US gun law which is surely the nub of the problem?

We are talking about 2 almost surely hypothetical situations....

binners - Member

People feel unrepresented by an aloof elite

So they're going to vote for multi-millionaire lucky sperm who based his success on a "small loan" of a million dollars from daddy? That's getting back to the grass roots, right enough.

no we are going to vote for the privately educated ex broker millionaire who has been a politician for the last 22 years who has a foreign EU wife and he will save us from the westminster elite establishment...he is such an outsider he even goes to the pub and he hates PC.

Bingo 😀