[Closed] Bambi Pic - The Deer Hunter

That's good.

I love seeing deer when I'm riding - really feel like you've escaped the town.

Nice shot 🙂

Lovely piccy.

A deer stalker writes:

If you want to get close to deer remember:

1) Go out at dawn or dusk
2) Stay upwind
3) They are not good at resolving shapes only movement, so move slowly and carefully. I once was walking along the edge of a rolling field with big dips and rises, stopping every 5 paces and scanning with my bino's. I spotted a group of deer 300 metres away just over a rise, I was going down into a dip before the rise so I started to walk closer. Something made me stop, so I stopped raised my rifle to look through the scope and there was a pair of ears on the horizon coming towards me about 120 metres away. I held my rifle as this deer just walked straight towards me and I shot it at 30 metres when it stopped and turned sideways fro a nice chest shot. I swear I didn't move a millimetre and a human would have been aware of me straight away.I think he would have walked straight up to me.
4) When they spot you they will probably only run for 50-100 metres as they are programmed to get away from a predators sprint. I've also shot deer after surprising them as I emerged from a thicket, the deer ran only 40mtres away and stop to look back, my this stage you have raised the rifle and tried to sort your breathing out. You could at this stage stay very still and they may well lose awareness of you, and then sneak up on them slowly.

There is another bloke on here with much more experience than me who might rock up in min with better advice, cannot remember his name though.

I don't want to start a row but somebody posts a picture of some beautiful wild animals they saw on a ride and managed to photograph after years of trying and 3 posts down someone's regaling us with tales daring do from the world of fluffy creature shooting.

*sigh*

Lovely pic Red.

You have a fair point waswas. I guess someone wanted to share a method of getting close to them to shoot(whether through a cope or a lens. I used to do the same, now just through a lens, same patience and knowledge used.

The closet i've got to reds on the hills were just prior to the rut last year.
Just 10metres from a group of stag, thrashing antlers on the dead bracken and stamping..Amazing to be that close without camo gear.

Another time was during that next rut, i was in a combe watching two large stags lock antlers whilst kicking up the water from the spring,They were a good 30 metres off and the hinds had seen me.
So i just stood and watched, then another younger stag to my left walked right at me, whilst circling round to get near to the hinds. With him about 5 metres from me, i slowly raised my camera and he took off from that slightest movement.

I've had so many chances to get good shots. One day though, one day. And a cam without a wide angle lens, but that's just an excuse.

Some of my efforts over the past year or so.
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And a video, i was so close and they kept coming over to see what i was. Then another walked from behind me and joined them, that's when the filming goes really wonky..didn't set the cam to HD either..:(

My Missus got this out of the car window, on the way to Rhu near Arisaig,
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Just as well I didn't have me Steyr .243 with me at the time.

waswas are you a vegitarian/vegan?

Fantastic Roe Doe in the original picture, looks like another doe hidden behind... great photo 8)

Best advice for seeing deer is to spend twice as long standing still as you do moving...

sharki in your 2nd pic is that stag giving birth to a sheep?? 😯

sharki - your last pic is really brilliant. The OP pic is too - shows how well they can blend in with their surroundings.

toys19, you are indeed a brave and skilful hunter.

Toys - no but I wouldn't necessarily pitch into a thread about photographing sheep with information about how best to kill one.

I've no objection to you shooting stuff, it was whether this was the right time to go into detail on it that I was questioning.

well if you were a vegetarian/vegan you would of had my apolgies. So you are insinuating that killing them or talking about killing them is what? Unpalatable? Immoral? Or what, what exactly is wrong with what I said? What it is is pick and mix morality, you find the death of animals tastless and not somethign you want to face, but you are happy to eat them for your own pleasure whilst not considering how they die? Well blow me, pick and mix morality is the lamest thing in the world. I have total respect for vegans, but people that eat meat and yet think it's unacceptable to discuss how animals die are just delusional in their piety. Do you have any idea what goes on in an abbatoir? I was offering advice on how to get close, with examples of my own experience to help the OP understand my point. I can't see how discussing abbatoir practices might help wtih your sheep watching, so thats a poor analogy.

Cheers ernie. 🙂

Showerman silly ewe.

Like i said, advising on technique and backing up with evidence..Rather than say do it like this because it works, i know bestest.. Meh!

toys19, your response to wwaswas is ridiculous. What he said was

I wouldn't necessarily pitch into a thread about photographing sheep with information about how best to kill one.

I've no objection to you shooting stuff, it was whether this was the right time to go into detail on it that I was questioning.

and I agree. I'm no vegetarian, and would love to have had the chance to at least accompany a hunt in Canada, but...

I wouldn't think of jumping into a thread for really nice pictures of animals and describing the best techniques for taking them down. wwaswas' comments are entirely reasonable, and his sheep analogy fits perfectly.

Vegetarian here. I see nothing worth boasting about in your killing of a deer.

i would call you a ****, but I'd probably get a ban.

well Saxonrider you and wwaswas have failed to actually give a reason as to why you wouldn't and both have failed to see the point of my post, to try and help the OP get closer so he can take more pics. I couldn't give a shit if you don't like it, it's a free country and shooting deer is perfectly legal. You would also come under the banner of lame pick and mix moralist. Quite frankly blow me.

sc-xc, I respect your choices, I admire it, I've often considered veganism myself, but why single me out, surely any of the meat eaters on here is just as guilty. I think stalking deer is more humane than what goes on in agriculture, the deer has no idea its coming, and we all pride ourselves on a quick clean kill, for humane reasons and to stop the meat from being spoiled. So anyway I wasn't boasting, I was merely illuminating. I'm not a particulary good deer stalker, and I was modest about my skills in my post. But I have been given some excellent knowledge by some very succeful deer stalkers. Tell me are you a veggy or a vegan?

As Sister Sledge nearly sang..."Oh what wow, he's the greatest hunter"

DD 😆 You can save your breath, I already know I'm amazing, thanks.

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@toys - 1/10

Thanks for comments.

There was three of them. A doe and two young ones.

Your right about waiting, I was there for ages. But glad to get the piccy.

Roe stag picture next time 🙂 .... in the next 5 years probably or longer.

Got a roe stag skull though 🙂

If you've got hope pro2 hubs forget any chance of seeing any..

The art of stalking whether to shoot or take a photo is the same practice, toys post unfortunately for some mentioned about shooting it, however, in my opinion not in a graphic or offensive way. I totally agree with his point about those that say it is cruel to shoot animals but are quite happy to eat cheap/foreign meat which is treated poorly and is bred to be killed. Game on the other hand has a greater freedom and a better chance of survival (unless it is shot!) meaning it will have had a better life, something that the do gooders just cannot get their head round, some peoples opinions are based on the fact that shooting is 'posh' and for the rich - utter bollox.

Yes this thread isn't about shooting but the original comment by toys was merely to offer a professional stalkers advice - just change the shot at 30m to took a photo at 30m.

I don't want to start a row

this is STW

well said Mr Smith

The stalking technique would have come across just as well without the shooting description. No issues with hunting per se but it doeasn't add to the post and instead has detracted from the discussion.

3) They are not good at resolving shapes only movement, so move slowly and carefully. I once was walking along the edge of a rolling field with big dips and rises, stopping every 5 paces and scanning with my bino's. I spotted a group of deer 300 metres away just over a rise, I was going down into a dip before the rise so I started to walk closer. Something made me stop, so I stopped [s]raised my rifle[/s] to look [s]through the scope[/s] and there was a pair of ears on the horizon coming towards me about 120 metres away. I held my [s]rifle[/s] [i]position[/i] as this deer just walked straight towards me [s]and I shot it at[/s] [i]until about[/i] 30 metres when it stopped and turned sideways [s]fro a nice chest shot[/s]. I swear I didn't move a millimetre and a human would have been aware of me straight away.I think he would have walked straight up to me.

 

Well I'm not about to modify my behaviour for a bunch of head in the sand pious moralists who cannot face reality. It's woolly headed thinkers like you who are ruining the countryside, you want it all nice and fluffy and romantic and can't taste the reality. If I posted a video of a Lion taking down a Gazelle you wouldn't complain, it's natural, well I'm a human being and my instinct is to go out and get my food. It's just a normal hobby and where I come from you can talk about this without people getting all uppity and offended, this is a form of oppression, you cannot even create a moral or legal argument against what I say you just can't stomach it, you are essentially discriminating against me because it doesn't suit your world view.

Not getting uppity, just saying it wasn't relevant to an otherwise highly informed post.

supposed to be a pic there,bugger

this is a form of oppression

no its not, its people objecting to you being a cock

It is relevent because it described how to stalk - either with a camera or with a rifle, your choice - some of the anti shooting ****s have managed to misintepret.

vassarian just joined the **** crew

yeah baby

Did you daub yourself in some of the deer's blood toys19? I think you should have. It must have been well scary stalking that vicious deer.

It is relevent because it described how to stalk - either with a camera or with a rifle, your choice - some of the anti shooting ****s have managed to misintepret.

This.

Toys was offering good advice from his own experience, Some people really need to chill a little.

no its not, its people objecting to you being a cock

Yes it is. You can call me what you like I like a good insult, but you haven't even tried here. Kak oudelic shoon!

Hmmmm, venison....yum.

Did you daub yourself in some of the deer's blood toys19? I think you should have. It must have been well scary stalking that vicious deer.

DD I think you are someone I know, how do you get such incredible insights into my psyche!

you are right, i haven't tried.

your inital post was ok, your subsequent ones have been pathetic.

You should've known what you'd get on here toys19!

Can't stand hunting myself, but I'm sure a few people remember the abuse I got when my innocent little doggy had some fun with a deer.

Nice pics btw! 🙂

I'm not sure we know one another. But I have great admiration for those skilled and courageous enough to do your thing. So, it's not insightful...I just think it's quite clear what kind of a guy you are.

"Well I'm not about to modify my behaviour for a bunch of head in the sand pious moralists"

I stalk, I'm not being a pious moralist, it's nothing to do with "stomaching it" your langauge and description of the kill(s) were simply a little emotive and not really required to make your point and did come across as a little gloaty on a forum largely populated by people who don't shoot things, regardless of the rights or wrongs of field sports. 🙂

CaptainFlashheart - Member
Hmmmm, venison....yum.

Just remember, you can't say Muntjac without saying Mmmmmm...

PS. - Schroedingers Cat's comments +1, and thats from another stalker... no need Toys 😐

Here's how to decide if it was relevant.

Has the description of approaching from downwind, moving slowly, and keeping still and allowing them to approach you been enhanced in any way by the inclusion of the subsequent shooting?

Would you respond to a post 'I'm too shy with girls, any tips for approaching and making conversation with them' with a description of your bedroom technique as well? 😉

I stalk, I'm not being a pious moralist, it's nothing to do with "stomaching it" your langauge and description of the kill(s) were simply a little emotive and not really required to make your point and did come across as a little gloaty on a forum largely populated by people who don't shoot things, regardless of the rights or wrongs of field sports.

Well that might be how you read it, but it's not how I wrote it. I don't give a damn if you are a stalker or not. If illustrating a point by a successful action is gloaty than how the hell is anyone supposed to believe that the method will work? If I said "use these techniques and here is an example of how they work, except I failed" then you would say "obviously not a good method". The truth is you could say I was not being aware of how people might feel, but the reality is I don't give their feelings a second thought, apart from the vegans who I apologise whole heartedly to. I care an awful lot about animal welfare I'm very choosy about where my meat comes from. I was brought up in an agricultural environment so I am fully aware of what farming and the countryside is really about.

toys19 I disagree completely, this is a thread about the beauty and majesty of the great british dear.

Members are capturing them on camera, to save the moment, they are not going to be interested in hearing about sick, twisted, souless fools, that hunt merely for sport.

If this was a thread about pictures of foxes, I do not doubt that you would be telling us all about, fox hunting with your chums.

You are well known for provoking other members of this forum, using immature underhanded tactics, including name calling, talking gibberish and intentionally taking a stance that is opposed to the very spirit that threads are started in.

Here's how to decide if it was relevant.

Has the description of approaching from downwind, moving slowly, and keeping still and allowing them to approach you been enhanced in any way by the inclusion of the subsequent shooting?

it's relevant because that's what he was doing.
delete the fact and you are just pandering to others sensibilities.
i would rather have the truth than others Utopian blinkered views.

Theother Jonv - don't necessarily agree there, just that he could have worded it better - maybe something like

They are not good at resolving shapes only movement, so move slowly and carefully. I was once walking along the edge of a rolling field with big dips and rises, stopping every 5 paces and scanning with my bino's. I spotted a group of deer about 300 metres away just over a rise, I was going down into a dip before the rise so I slowly started to walk closer. Something made me stop, so I stopped, had a good look and there was a pair of ears on the horizon coming towards me about 120 metres out. The deer slowly walked straight towards me to about 30 metres away when it stopped and turned sideways . I swear I didn't move a millimetre and a human would have been aware of me straight away. I think he would have walked straight up to me, well, he would have if I hadn't dropped him with 105 grains of .243, but thats bye the bye

See deer all the time about a mile from Maryhill, along the Kelvin, at dusk they seem to go down to the river for a drink, beautiful sight seeing the mas and pas with their young.
Being a veggie feel no need to shoot them, just enjoy the beauty of nature.
No issue with people eating meat, used to eat it myself, but who's the big man shooting a defenceless deer at close range?

Here's how to decide if it was relevant.

Here's how decide if I give a shit or even think what you said stands up to logical analysis. I don't. It doesn't. What you have posted isn't relevant either is it? The thread was about deer. I posted about deer, wwaswas started the row because he didn't like what I think about deer, was that relevant No it wasn't. You are weak, fool.

Members are capturing them on camera,to save the moment, they are not going to be interested in hearing about sick, twisted, souless fools, that hunt merely for sport.

are you for real? there's a big deer problem in this country (especially in scotland) as they have no natural predators apart from man. what's your solution to this problem? take one in as a pet? chemical neutering?

****less gaurdian reading townie bedwetter.*

*well you did call me a "sick twisted souless fool"

"I was brought up in an agricultural environment so I am fully aware of what farming and the countryside is really about."

Hmmm...so was I, However I can be bothered to give other peoples feelings a second thought, And I stand by my original comments 🙂 It's not my fault you have poorly developed empathic and social skills.:)

You are weak, fool

big gun = small dick

He is almost as brave in his retorts as he is when approaching killer deer.

OP - sorry, I should have bitten my tongue.

I think the point I was trying to make was that the act of shooting was irrelevant to Toys post - the stalking bit was fine but what he did when he got within spitting distance wasn't and was written in what felt like 'gloating' terms.

I've already said - people can take pot shots at anything that moves if it makes them happy, I don't but I eat meat and have no illusions about how it arrives on my plate.

It just seemd a shame that it went to 'aren't these magnificent creatures' to 'here's how I turn one into a corpse' in 3 posts.

[edit] [i]wwaswas started the row because he didn't like what I think about deer[/i]

I repeat I don't care what you do to deer my only concern was with expressing it in the context of the OP's original post. [b]Please understand before one of us expires.[/b]

who's the big man shooting a defenceless deer at close range?

What as opposed to the big man herding calves into a truck using a bit of polythene pipe to beat them in as they are shitting themselves with fear, then driving them to an abattoir where the stench of death is eye watering, then herded (more beating) into a pen corralled into a run, electrocuted to stun them, then hung up and cut open?

I don't have any illusions about being a big man I'm 5ft 5. The deer is not viscous it's really stupid, I'm not trying to prove anything. You have proved that you are a bit dumb by raising such a weak argument. Try harder.

delete the fact and you are just pandering to others sensibilities.

I disagree, you don't need to know why Toys was stalking deer to still be able to follow the technique. In response to Toys suggesting he needs to include it to prove it works; actually nothing's proven by an internet description. I'm just as happy to accept his explanation that he got within 30m without having to know he then killed it. Don't take that as a reason to post pics of the result, BTW.

But sadly; the more I read, the more inclined I am to think that its inclusion was designed to provoke sensibilities.

[edit: and you'll really have to talk me through the last bit. What did I say that deserved that?]

Viscous?

How's your forehead wwaswas?

big gun = small dick

it's illegal to shoot deer with a rifle of less than .24 caliber or below a 1700 ft/lbs muzzle energy (lower limits for muntjack)

so penis size has nothing to do with the size of your gun legally required.

who's the big man shooting a defenceless deer at close range?

Would he have been a bigger man taking it at long range, with a greater chance of not hitting the target area and resulting in a less humane shot? 🙄

MrSmith there is a rather large difference between population control and killing for the sake of killing.

If you read what I said without lettng your emotions get involved you will see the

that hunt merely for sport

I do not have any problem with killing anything, including pest!

However this is a thread about deer and I happen to like them, are they a nuisance, yes they are, they for some idiotic reason cannot understand that man needs all of the land, to build golf courses and other crap on!

intentionally taking a stance that is opposed to the very spirit that threads are started in.

Umm wrong. The OP called the thread Bambi Pic [b]The Deer Hunter"[/b] and he said

I bagged this one today

You wish toys, your level of delusionment is astonomical. The only person who believes the rubbish you come out with, is you!

LEGEND IN HIS OWN MIND!

he would have if I hadn't dropped him with 105 grains of .243, but thats bye the bye

MrSmith there is a rather large difference between population control and killing for the sake of killing.

Really? personally I wouldn't have thought that the deer was really that bothered about the motivation behind the person who pulled the trigger, you also exclude the possibility that someone could gain enjoyment or a sense of satisfaction from killing for population control reasons as part of an evidence based cull plan...

I'm 5ft 5

Short, skilled and courageous. The picture is painting itself. This brave hunter walks tall (metaphorically) amongst our tribe.

[i]How's your forehead wwaswas? [/i]

Sore.

On the plus side I've nearly got a new alcove in the wall next to my desk 😉

DD are you from from furry stock? If you are you will know what I am talking about? I've rumbled you. 🙂

Zulu-Eleven ?

I would have been more impressed if you wrestled it to the ground and punched it in the face and beat it to death with your fists, seems like a fairer fight, but that would be too hard, better use a gun.
Dont use the abattoir cruelty arguement thats a different case.
Personally if people want to kill animals for food, fair do's as long as its done in a humane way.
Can't see any justification for shooting an animal and bragging about it.

Yeah I didn't brag about it, I just told you about it. I wasn't trying to impress you, and given your comments if I impressed you I would be disappointed with myself. Frankly your pillock like the rest of them with your mediocre sensibilities. Lame ass.

Can't see any justification for shooting an animal and bragging about it.

don't do it then.
get your meat from the supermarket instead.

A brave, courageous hunter who walks (metaphorically) tall amongst us should not lower (again, metaphorically...like) himself to the level of petty insults. You are better than this brave one.

DD I love you, thanks for the advice. XX

Can't see any justification for shooting an animal and bragging about it.

i can't see any justification for photographing an animal and bragging about it.

toys19 you speak of logical analysis, so here is something for you to contemplate.

Is it logical or illogical to be involved in behaviour that does nothing but waste time?

You have not contributed anything of any worth, to this thread and have therefore been acting in an illogical way.

It was not necessary for you to mention the shooting and subsequent killing of the dear, it served no real purpose and was not relevant to a thread about photographing dear.

Is it logical or illogical to be involved in actions that are not necessary?

Further more, before you start in with your useless utterly deluded self justifications or insults, bear one thing in mind. I'm not coming back to this thread and you just read this.

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