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No, not my outing today at F.O.D. - rather wet and slow today
Actually a bloke in the car park
It was quite wet and mucky today and I'm sure we all like to change into dry clothes for the drive home. I certainly do but I get in the car or use the facilities
But not this bloke. 30 odd, removes his top, shoes, socks and shorts. All normal enough - his modesty retained by his underwear. But then in open view in the car park (the one close to the café - mums and youngsters all around) he drops his keks and airs his loins then fishes around, stark bollock naked, for a fresh pair before proceeding to dress. Cool as you like.
My son was pissing himself and a few others not sure where to look
I'm no prude - but is this normal? Acceptable?
Personally I'm not bothered as such, but just thought it a bit odd
Not on imo. I used to see a chap at various TT's doing the same, general consensus is he's on the spectrum. There is no need, a towel protects your modesty.
No one wants to see Stephen and the twins.
Probably German. 😀
Think he was Welsh!
Of course it's unacceptable but then there is nothing you can do about it.
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Fairly standard practice if you're into watersports (no - not [i]that[/i] kind!!). It's a shame that so many folk [i]are[/i] so prudish about it.
[quote=flashinthepan ]I'm no prude
Yes, you are a bit. As scotroutes says, it's pretty standard practice for kayakers - those of all genders - though generally they try to keep away from members of the general public as they tend to be prudish and get upset. But when you've just come of a river and are cold, coordinating a towel to cover up tends to be too much trouble.
It seems to be mainly a British thing - or maybe an anglophone thing. I've been in unisex saunas in mainland Europe and the only people wearing clothes were other Brits. I also remember once having to tell a camera crew they might want to stop filming as I was getting changed between stages of an adventure race (another sport where all sense of modesty goes out of the window).
I'm not a naturalist or anything but I have always wondered why some groups of people are terrified that they might see someone naked or worse still a child might see.
There is nothing sexual about someone getting changed and to make a fuss or get upset probably makes things more interesting to a child. I wonder if the fact we hide our bodies away from the world contributes to people being so self conscious
Prude.
Are you professionally offended on behalf of everyone else?
mums and youngsters all around
Mums will have seen at least one willy before, so unlikely to be too bothered. Kids are unlikely to be troubled in the least.
Not surprised it's normal among watersports - if I've just come out of a Scottish river then there's not going to be anything dangling around down there 🙂
Prude. Are you professionally offended on behalf of everyone else?
Really? The OP didn't berate the person or move his son quickly away... seems a perfectly reasonable question given, as others have said, the UK is quite backwards when it comes to displays of nudity. And that's the thing, im fine with it as are many others but culturally other brits may not be and, although this maybe changing, it'll take time so a bit of discretion in a public car park seems reasonable to me but then it does depend on things like how busy the car park & how blatant the display
The Forest is different to the rest of the Shire
Should have tea-towel snapped him in the tabs!
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on the few times I've been canoeing or kayaking and fallen in a river, you'd have to stand pretty close to get a glimpse of wee jonny.
In fact, add the fact that I was full body shivering and it would have been vibrating sufficiently fast that to anyone passing it would have looked pixelated already.
I'm no prude
Yet you started a thread about someone getting naked, briefly, before getting dressed again.
Hmmmmmmm.
I saw a woman strip off totally whilst getting changed in Afan car park once 😯
Can't see the problem really, no one is parading around naked, or doing anything sexual.
is this normal? Acceptable?
No, just really rude and entitled. There's a place for nudity and in a car park in front of a cafe isn't it.
Clearly not real mtb-er. can't afford a van.
Entitled?
Ding ding! All about the prude bus! 
I'll usually wrap a towel around before dropping my troos. Unless it's a very quiet parking spot, even then I'll make sure everything is ready for a quick change.
Getting changed after a surf with a couple of mates in the back streets of Newquay.
We got properly heckled by a coach load of old grannies. They wanted it all on show....
I'm no prude
It appears that you are
Blimey, I didn't realise how blatantly inconsiderate I was
We got properly heckled by a coach load of old grannies. They wanted it all on show....
"...one had a stroke; the others couldn't reach."
(C) Bob Monkhouse.
I'll strip off to get changed in a carpark but admit I try to be discreet about it. It's not like you're parading around naked for more than a moment.
Or, are you...
the problem starts when you get one foot into your keks then snag the second foot in the material, fall over onto your back stark naked with a pair of pants hanging off one foot. Now, that is being discreet...
I regularly do it changing for an after work ride. Also ompletely normal in sailing and surfing circles.
Simply don't see an issue with it. There's nothing impressive to see but if someone wants to have an ogle the fair enough.
tinybits - Member
I regularly do it changing for an after work ride. Also ompletely normal in sailing and surfing circles.
Simply don't see an issue with it. There's nothing impressive to see but if someone wants to have an ogle the fair enough.
It's alright for you, what about someone with bigger bits though?
Somebody cold and wet got changed nearby and you got flustered?
Done this for many years but try to be discrete, use a towel and have everything ready. I usually try and position myself beside the car/van so as to mask the view. As an ex kayaker I can confirm stripping after being in the water in winter tends to involve less discretion!
If there's lots of people/kids about I'd probably try and do it behind the car door.
I've got one of these to spare the blushes of prudes in the car park
https://www.thebooicorestore.com/
Mrs Whitehouse is it in the dark and in the privacy of your own bedroom?No, just really rude and entitled. There's a place for nudity and in a car park in front of a cafe isn't it
Never ceases to maze me how uptight some British folk get just because an actual human being was naked somewhere in their vague vicinity
Like others I try to be discreet when I get changed but really its about getting out of cold wet clothes as fast as possible to get warm and dry
Runnerist just tend to get on with it after races, but to be fair that's around other a bunch of runnerists who are expecting it.
I wasn't expecting it on the beach last week, minding my own business on a Greek deck chair, turn around to be faced by a hairy arse and plumbs as the man next to me changed in to his speedo's
I've got one of these to spare the blushes of prudes in the car park
> https://www.thebooicorestore.com/
I imagine Point Break might have been a whole different story if Johnny Utah had turned up in one of them.
Are you talking bollocks?
really its about getting out of cold wet clothes as fast as possible to get warm and dry
To me it's about having a bit of consideration for the people around me. If someone's in a cafe/car park they've a reasonable expectation of not having to see strangers [i]sans pants[/i].
Oddly, I have no issue with nudity in an outdoors context - love skinny dipping in rivers and lakes, washing under waterfalls etc - but really wish blokes wouldn't swing their dicks in my face in changing rooms. Too much, far too much..
My son was pissing himself
How old is he? I'd be more concerned about this than someone getting changed?
Too much, far too much..
Jealous muchly?
Some people need to get over themselves....
If he was standing there with his tackle pointing skyward then you might have cause for concern. A flaccid penis is nothing to be upset about.
Maybe I should use this opportunity to apologise to everyone that saw the GF and I showering at the back of our van in the Betws y Coed car park a few months back. In our defence the van has German plates. 😉
this maybe changing, it'll take time so a bit of discretion
When I was a kid in the 70s swimming pools etc had communal changing rooms for each sex. Now there are cubicles for each person. Perhaps things are changing but we are becoming more prudish about public nudity.
When I was a kid in the 70s swimming pools etc had communal changing rooms for each sex. Now there are cubicles for each person.
In the 70s, our local pool had cubicles in the women's changing rooms but not the men's.
Probably the case for me too Cougar but since my ma can't swim....
Now there are cubicles for each person
Are there? Not in any pool or gym changing room I've been in (that I can recall) other than Bath Spa which has unisex changing rooms with cubicles.
huckleberryfatt - MemberTo me it's about having a bit of consideration for the people around me. If someone's in a cafe/car park they've a reasonable expectation of not having to see strangers sans pants.
If it was, let's say, Hugh Fearnley-Whittingstall's River Café car park you'd probably be right. A car park for outdoor enthusiasts who are likely to get extremely muddy and wet is a little different.
(Edit - my wife who isn't a biker or a naturist has just read the post and said 'You lot strip off don't you? Some people are strange')
The prices he charges I'd demand to see Hugh's nuts, especially if he wanted a tip
:(It really is a good job that the OP doesn't live in Germany. Where ever there is a bit of water in the summer it's usually surrounded by naked elderly Germans reading books, having a stroll or my personal favourite nude badminton. 😯
I always get changed after a long awayday ride as I sweat profusely and want to be as comfortable as possible driving home. Many of the car parks I/we use are not appointed with changing facilities. Occasionally they are in town centres. I try to be as discrete as possible (if nothing else available I will open both doors on one side of the car and stand between), but I'm going to have to be undercracker-less for a few seconds. I'm not 'Oh so British and bothered' about it, but at the same time I'm not strutting around in the bollocky either.
All boils down to standard life rules. Don't be a dick, and don't wave it around in public either.
my personal favourite nude badminton.
Well now I'm giggling to myself thinking of nude Germans and their shuttlecocks.
It really is a good job that the OP doesn't live in Germany. Where ever there is a bit of water in the summer it's usually surrounded by naked elderly Germans reading books, having a stroll or my personal favourite nude badminton.
Years ago I encountered the Munich Nude Association yearly bike ride along the river. That was a sight for sore eyes.
However, as Roter Stern says, there are generally lots of nudies running about in summer so not that unusual.
OP here
Seems a few of you jumping to conclusions. I made no mention of being offended by it. I just thought it was a little unusual.
And yes, a little bit 'entitled' by the guy. Not unreasonable for him to understand that some people present may have been offended and there are facilities (shower rooms and toilets) 50 metres away (or he could have used his car).
TBH, I'd agree that if there's facilities then there's little reason not to use them other than idleness.
However, I'm also in mind of Steve Hughes:
Why were you watching a man changing for long enough and with enough attention to recall the exact sequence of events? Generally if I see someone changing I look away to give them some privacy, rather than sit and watch the whole event unfold.
I can see why the OP was surprised if the gentleman had to unfold it.
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Was it Orlando Bloom? 🙂
Probably German.
Indeed. It sounds very much like a German at the seaside.
[quote=flashinthepan ]I made no mention of being offended by it.
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And yes, a little bit 'entitled' by the guy.
Well now I'm properly confused - you're not at all bothered by it, but you think it was entitled. Can I just check - what other things do people do which you're not at all bothered by which you think makes them entitled? Just want to make sure I don't do anything which [s]offends[/s] [s]bothers[/s] you think is entitled.
Not unreasonable for him to understand that some people present may have been offended
Ah, so it's offence by proxy? That explains everything.
and there are facilities (shower rooms and toilets) 50 metres away (or he could have used his car).
I have to admit I've visited there quite a lot, and never realised there were showers. Though if he wasn't planning on having a shower then there's no real benefit to him in walking over to them to get changed - and it's therefore only a problem at all because people are prudish.
The fundamental point here is that there's nothing inherently offensive about the human body. As pointed out above, mums ought to have already seen male bits, and children certainly aren't at all worried about seeing people naked (not until they get British prudishness brainwashed into them). He's just getting changed with no particular intention of showing off his body to other people, that's accidental - people don't seem to understand the difference between that and blokes deliberately showing off their bits.
There are laws - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indecent_exposure
Bloke sounds like a bit of a winker.
Laws which explicitly don't apply in this situation, as I just explained.
From your link:
indecent exposure is the deliberate exposure in public or in view of the general public by a person of a portion or portions of his or her body
It is generally accepted, at least in western countries, that a naked human body is not in itself indecent.
In England and Wales, the offence of "indecent exposure" and other sexual offences were replaced by the more specific and explicit Sexual Offences Act 2003, section 66. Current laws apply only to genital exposure with intent to shock those who do not want to see them.
teamhurtmore - Memberreally wish blokes wouldn't swing their dicks in my face in changing rooms.
Always thought you'd be taller tbh
Always thought you'd be taller tbh
Or needs to get up off his knees.
It's quite nice being naked in the open air... i reckon it's fine to whip the chap out when getting changed near the back of your car after a muddy ride...
And as has been said..if he was gesticulating towards other riders about 'how much fun he had' then that's not on, but a quick 'breeze of the twins and the big one' whilst fishing for pants is fine....
Nakedness is cool, I reckon..
(Though, that programme on naturism on CH4 the other day was not that nice to look at...more naked fit people needed there i reckon...)
DrP
the problem starts when you get one foot into your keks then snag the second foot in the material, fall over onto your back stark naked with a pair of pants hanging off one foot. Now, that is being discreet...
It's because of this, not having the best sense of balance in the world, that I sit down on the edge of my car seat to pull my cycling kit off, then pull on my clean dry gear, just standing up to get everything back into place.
Cougar - Moderator
Always thought you'd be taller tbh
Or needs to get up off his knees.
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indecent exposure is the deliberate exposure in public or in view of the general public by a person of a portion or portions of his or her body
Current laws apply only to genital exposure with intent to shock those who do not want to see them.
And your point is?
Isn't it funny how it's always those with tiny bits who seem to want to get them out in public.
Had the dude waxed?
[quote=DezB ]And your point is?
Did you miss this bit: "Laws which explicitly don't apply in this situation"?
Isn't it funny how it's always those with tiny bits who seem to want to get them out in public.
I'm surprised - I thought from your post you weren't into that sort of thing 😈
Last time I was at Symonds Yat after a cold session this guy does the naked car park change. Pretty normal practice, however he had the most gigantic penis I've ever seen! Like some sort of leviathan he'd picked up. It needed its own lengthy drying routine, and this is straight out of the freezing Wye!
Most of our crew are usually impersonating an almond hiding in wire wool on days like this.
almond hiding in wire wool
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[i]Did you miss this bit: "Laws which explicitly don't apply in this situation"?[/i]
Yep.
[i]I'm surprised - I thought from your post you weren't into that sort of thing[/i]
Nope.
flashinthepan » I made no mention of being offended by it.
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And yes, a little bit 'entitled' by the guy.Well now I'm properly confused - you're not at all bothered by it, but you think it was entitled. Can I just check - what other things do people do which you're not at all bothered by which you think makes them entitled? Just want to make sure I don't do anything which offends bothers you think is entitled.
Not unreasonable for him to understand that some people present may have been offended
Ah, so it's offence by proxy? That explains everything.
You seem 'hard of thinking' so I'll try my best to explain.
Yes there are other things which are not 'inherently offensive' but that can cause offence or irritation in the wrong context. For example I enjoy music of many types and am absolutely not offended by it. However somebody playing music loudly from their car stereo in a car park is offensive as it is them 'inflicting' their 'wants' on the many whether they want it or not. It's selfish, inconsiderate, impolite and well, behaving like a dick.
Offence by proxy? Well, as I've said I'm not offended by the nudity. However there may well have been others there who were or would have been if they'd seen it. I'd call that, at best, impolite from the guy as his actions had the potential to make somebody else uncomfortable in a public space. A potential that he should have reasonably been able to recognize. So although I'm not offended by his nudity, his thoughtless actions do irritate me
Geez you Brits really are prudes
aracer - but the naked rambler was prosecuted despite doing nothing more than walking around naked.
The bloke the OP saw was probably Bill the Spaniard.
He's well known round there.
Next time, just shout to him and wave.......
"Señor Willy!"
Had mine out today at Cannop pond , pouring with rain at end of a sweaty ride - very invigorating . 😀
[quote=flashinthepan ]You seem 'hard of thinking' so I'll try my best to explain.
Classy start to your post, which enhances your point immensely.
Yes there are other things which are not 'inherently offensive' but that can cause offence or irritation in the wrong context. For example I enjoy music of many types and am absolutely not offended by it. However somebody playing music loudly from their car stereo in a car park is offensive as it is them 'inflicting' their 'wants' on the many whether they want it or not. It's selfish, inconsiderate, impolite and well, behaving like a dick.
So were you personally bothered by the chap "inflicting" his getting changed on other people or not? If you weren't personally bothered at all then your analogy fails, if you were then it's not really surprising that people are "jumping to conclusions", because those are accurate conclusions (though IDSWYDT with your final word 😉 )
Offence by proxy? Well, as I've said I'm not offended by the nudity. However there may well have been others there who were or would have been if they'd seen it. I'd call that, at best, impolite from the guy as his actions had the potential to make somebody else uncomfortable in a public space. A potential that he should have reasonably been able to recognize. So although I'm not offended by his nudity, his thoughtless actions do irritate me
QED - and given as pointed out what he was doing wasn't illegal and that the naked human body isn't inherently offensive, then so what if prudes get offended?
Good that we have another thing to add to the super-benevolent-not-bothered-by-anything-happy-with-the-world-stwer list of things we're all cool with... someone getting their kit off and displaying their wares to the wife & kids.
Forgotten most of the list, but there was leaving shoes on in a shared hallway, blowing dope smoke into the windows, cutting down your bushes... many more! 😆
[quote=tjagain ]aracer - but the naked rambler was prosecuted despite doing nothing more than walking around naked.
Arguably it was dodgy use of the law (and a lot of his arrests were in Scotland where the law is different from the FoD [some might argue the FoD has it's own law 😉 ]), though in any case AFAIK none of his convictions were under the Sexual Offences Act - I also note a case where he was cleared http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/edinburgh_and_east/6542329.stm (as always the very idea that incidental nudity might distress children is a bizarre one).
Certainly getting changed in a car park wouldn't result in any of the prosecutions he got.
I haven't read all the posts so apologies if this has been done: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8235959.stm
Reminds me of the time I went to a nudist camp in Austria by mistake whilst cycle touring round Slovenia!
[quote=DezB ]displaying their wares to the wife & kids.
and right there we have where some people seem to be making a completely different interpretation of this blokes actions - from my understanding he wasn't even wandering around in the buff, let alone waggling it about on display.
FWIW all of your other examples seem reasonable things to be bothered about.