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Even decent folks tend to be thinking like them now.At least around here
So previously decent folk were not supporting far-right rioting but they are now ?
I would have thought that is unlikely since when the far-right were rioting last year they had so little public support.
Indeed in the end it was decent folk reclaiming the streets that put an end to the rioting which the police had been incapable of quelling.
And the very harsh sentences imposed by the courts on the rioters appeared to enjoy significant public support.
It turned out that decent folk weren't massively impressed with alcohol-fuelled racists smashing up their towns and going on violent rampages.
Very easy to just to dismiss people as racists and bigots rather than looking at the reasons why they may hold those views. Ask Gordon Brown how that worked out for him.
The reason they hold those views is because their money (and ours) is getting stolen by the mega-rich and almost all the media outlets and all the main political parties (to a greater or lesser extent) are telling them it's because brown people are stealing all the money.
For anyone who thinks about it for thirty seconds it's pretty obvious that it's not the brown people who are stealing all the money, it's the people who have all the money who are stealing all the money.
So why are so many people so quick to believe it's the brown people, I wonder...
Very easy to just to dismiss people as racists and bigots rather than looking at the reasons why they may hold those views.
They are concerned citizens worried about growing criminality in society and a lack of social cohesion?
https://youtube.com/shorts/PaitOHE1Z70?si=FMlG4xE3lYVp4cVM
They are concerned citizens worried about growing criminality in society and a lack of social cohesion?
That is not what I said and you know it. Quite easy in the STW bubble to just dismiss. The lies being pumped out by MSM and the 'othering' needs to change.
That is not what I said and you know it.
Hence the deliberate use of a question mark. I am clearly asking a question.
What do think are the reasons that the rather typical rioting thug in the clip that I posted holds whatever views he holds ?
What could be motivating him?
Edit : Sorry another question....."The lies being pumped out by MSM" which lies? I genuinely have no idea what lies you are referring to.
Edit : Sorry another question....."The lies being pumped out by MSM" which lies? I genuinely have no idea what lies you are referring to.
Spinning that round, do you think that MSM are presenting an accurate picture of the refugee situation?
It kicked off in Epping after an illegal migrant sexually assaulted a child.
Call it racism all you like but the people of Epping never asked for young men of unknown origin to be housed in their community, they clearly don't want it and why should they? The small boat people entered the country ILLEGALLY, their first act was to break our laws, they shouldn't be here in the first place. This situation was completely avoidable.
If there's one thing that's going to get people riled up it's feeling that their children aren't safe.
If there's one thing that's going to get people riled up it's feeling that their children aren't safe.
Well, that's kind of true and kind of not.
Brown person allegedly sexually assaults a child? Pitchforks (and bricks) out! Burn them all!
A white priest allegedly sexually assaults a child? Let's wait until we've gotten all the facts. If this happens a few more times then in few years we might have to take some action. Like move them to a different parish!
So yeah, racism.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c9qx2qedqllo
Just to make sure I'm reading the right thing, is this what has caused all the riots?
It kicked off in Epping after an illegal migrant sexually assaulted a child.
Call it racism all you like but the people of Epping never asked for young men of unknown origin to be housed in their community, they clearly don't want it and why should they? The small boat people entered the country ILLEGALLY, their first act was to break our laws, they shouldn't be here in the first place. This situation was completely avoidable.
If there's one thing that's going to get people riled up it's feeling that their children aren't safe.
Depends, do they attack police and terrorise innocent people (the guy that did the assault is currently locked up) that also get done for sexual assault if theyre not brown?
if the answer is no then they probably are racist
The people attacking police and the asylum hotel are also breaking our laws, I say deport them!
Edit : Sorry another question....."The lies being pumped out by MSM" which lies? I genuinely have no idea what lies you are referring to.
Spinning that round, do you think that MSM are presenting an accurate picture of the refugee situation?
Well I think the media generally exaggerates the problem that people claiming asylum allegedly causes the UK, but they are probably responding to the narrative provided by troublemakers like Nigel Farage.
Of all the issues affecting the day-to-day lives of ordinary working people in the UK, in a real and tangible way, the issue of desperate people seeking refuge doesn't actually figure very highly.
Although you wouldn't think that if you listened to some of the shite that the MSM comes out with.
The small boat people entered the country ILLEGALLY, their first act was to break our laws, they shouldn't be here in the first place.
Well if you are going to start banging on about complying with legal requirements you better start focusing on the UK government.
One of the reasons that refugees pose such a "problem" for UK governments is precisely because they have legal rights under both UK and international law.
Understanding Your Right to International Protection
Your right to seek asylum and protection in the UK is grounded in the 1951 Refugee Convention, a key international treaty that outlines the rights of refugees and the obligations of nations to protect them. This Convention is enshrined in UK law, which means the UK authorities are legally required to offer protection and must not return you to a country where you would face persecution—a principle known as ‘non-refoulement.’ Non-refoulement ensures that you cannot be forcibly sent back to a place where your life or freedom would be threatened.
Never being one to miss an opportunity, the man-frog is presently giving a speech about deporting people or locking them up.
According to him, the UK is now ‘lawless’
I’m sure the knuckle-draggers will lap it up, as always 🙄
Well I think the media generally exaggerates the problem that people claiming asylum allegedly causes the UK, but they are probably responding to the narrative provided by troublemakers like Nigel Farage.
Of all the issues affecting the day-to-day lives of ordinary working people in the UK, in a real and tangible way, the issue of desperate people seeking refuge doesn't actually figure very highly.
I think Farage and his like generate stories which the Press run with. Successive governments have either allowed it to happen or just failed to provide alternative stories for the press to focus on.
It's the basis of Farage's success.
We already lock people up if they are breaking the law while here ... and already deport those whose applications ultimately fail. What's he suggesting, arbitrarily locking up or deporting random people waiting for their claims to be processed?
I think he’s just looking longingly across the Atlantic and fancies himself at the head of some ICE style operation
I live in Epping and know that the roads around the hotel were closed because of the protests, this is the main access road to Epping. These are the people that probably complained the most about roads being closed for Just Stop Oil and other similar protests.
And looking at the arrest reports, none of those arrested were from Epping.
Let’s hope they end up sharing a cell with those arrested for supporting Palestine action
Far-right rioters tend not to hold placards up so it is difficult to identify them as terrorists.
Hardly surprising as most of them are illiterate ****wits.
Even decent folks tend to be thinking like them now.At least around here
My condolences to you on where you have ended up living.
Spinning that round, do you think that MSM are presenting an accurate picture of the refugee situation?
Seeing as how they quote verifiable figures that tally with Home Office actuals and estimates, yes.
Or do you think the organs of state are also involved in some kind of cover up?
In which case, welcome to the Trumpian view of the world. 🙄
Quick Google brought up this article.... It's a depressing read obviously.
But they're all white, 24 yr old males. So let's kick all 24yr old males out the country for a start.
They were driving a white van..... Let's burn all the white vans! Surely if you've got a white van you're a sexual predator. Must be, there's no other explanation.
They're from Chorley. Let's all get down there and start a protest. Everyone from Chorley must be a danger to children. We should probably set fire to the place to be sure.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cd78v8nv942o
I think now is also a fitting moment to remember that Brexit gave many of these small boat migrants the added incentive to cross one more border now that the UK is outside of the EU and without that institution's returns agreements.
Whatever horrible shite Farage comes out with, it is important to remember this.
We already lock people up if they are breaking the law while here ... and already deport those whose applications ultimately fail. What's he suggesting, arbitrarily locking up or deporting random people waiting for their claims to be processed?
A big part of the problem is we don't deport those who fail. We only deport a third of them.
Thankfully, the government are accepting all 12 recommendations of Louise Casey’s rapid review, including collecting ethnicity data.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/jun/16/police-ethnicity-nationality-data-grooming-gangs
If there's one thing that's going to get people riled up it's feeling that their children aren't safe.
Hold on - surely you're not saying that ordinary people would do something dangerous or illegal to get their kids out of danger?
If there's one thing that's going to get people riled up it's feeling that their children aren't safe.
Hold on - surely you're not saying that ordinary people would do something dangerous or illegal to get their kids out of danger?
If the situation called for it as a last resort I'd like to think that I'd put my children's safety over others. Wouldn't you?
Deleted because I cba seeing if my post passes the moderation criteria that it was stated it was under consideration for - it was a pic of the dump of the hotel when I stayed there a few years ago
If the situation called for it as a last resort I'd like to think that I'd put my children's safety over others. Wouldn't you?
I'm not sure diverting Police resource to deal with protests at an asylum hotel when the alleged offender has been remanded already helps keep anyone's kids safe.
Epping Forest voted Leave 62.7%.
Makes you think...
I wouldn't disagree with that but I was replying as an individual, not a member of a lynch mob.If the situation called for it as a last resort I'd like to think that I'd put my children's safety over others. Wouldn't you?
I'm not sure diverting Police resource to deal with protests at an asylum hotel when the alleged offender has been remanded already helps keep anyone's kids safe.
Tonnes of Afghan military/admin staff/translators etc, been rehoused around us (former TA base reassigned). Not one incident. One lone bloke taking a walk photographed and presented as a weirdo by (shock horror) Hindu local shopkeepers (who are forefront in the local struggle against a Sikh landowner and openly racist about it).
Funny thing. The less ****ish you are as a society, the less problems you have with assimilation. It's almost as if some Christian teachings have some worth.
I'd take fifty Afghan pluralist citizens over one white van driving, cash in hand, corner cutting, rogue trading arsehole in a heartbeat.
When push comes to shove. Under all of it, there are people who try and people who don't. And it's got **** all to do with skin colour/ race / religion / ethnicity.
Hold on - surely you're not saying that ordinary people would do something dangerous or illegal to get their kids out of danger?
ISWYDT
As a Southport resident I can only hope that this next week shows our communities coming together to remember the tragic loss this town suffered, for the 3 girls and the multiple other children and adults affected. I hate that the name of my town is now synonymous with the riots. In the aftermath of the 'bussed in' troublemakers people of this town came together to clean the streets up and rebuild the walls around the mosque. I drive past that mosque, that was under completely unprovoked attack by mindless racist thugs, probably 3-4 times a week. They have had volunteer 'security guards' from the mosque stand outside at all times ever since. It breaks my heart to see this and for them to think that that is what they need to feel safe.
They have had volunteer 'security guards' from the mosque stand outside at all times ever since. It breaks my heart to see this and for them to think that that is what they need to feel safe.
Which is a good juncture to make the point that the Southport attacker was a Christian brought up in Wales. Not a Muslim brought up in Lancashire.
If anyone wants to try to draw a line from the attack itself to the local mosque needing protection a year on, I'd like to see them try.
The answer is more simple than that, though. Racism plain and simple.
This Convention is enshrined in UK law, which means the UK authorities are legally required to offer protection and must not return you to a country where you would face persecution—a principle known as ‘non-refoulement.’
I have no problem with that. How many though have any thing to substantiate their claim that they would face persecution at home or in one of the other countries they have chosen to travel through. Given that many don’t have any documentation to even substantiate where home is I’m struggling to see how such a claim can be proven
This Convention is enshrined in UK law, which means the UK authorities are legally required to offer protection and must not return you to a country where you would face persecution—a principle known as ‘non-refoulement.’
I have no problem with that.
That's great!
The point is that the UK authorities are legally required to consider applications for asylum, it was suggested that those who arrive by irregular means such as small boats had automatically no legal status.
I’m struggling to see how such a claim can be proven
Well that's not something for you to concern yourself with, it is for the courts and the legal process to deal with that issue.
You just have to accept that asylum seekers have legal rights in the UK under both international and UK laws.
It's also a manufactured problem - people arrive and don't seem to be processed in a fair or timley manner, they just seem to be sent to languish in hotels or social housing in perpetuity.
Then the public, or should I say large swathes of the public get angry at the assylum seekers, rather then the lack of any real long term government plan to deal with them quickly and fairly....
It’s a shame the convention isn’t as strongly worded on what happens with those who have been through due process and not demonstrated they are asylum seekers. If as part of the legal process the claimant has to be able to demonstrate the country then those who fail should be automatically deported back to that country.
Many countries aren't very keen on or refuse point blank the return of asylum seekers. So short of parachute training the whole legal process is pointless. Handing out short-term work visas from day one is my suggestion so they can make themselves useful whilst in the UK and have some cash to go back with if asylum is ultimately refused and they are expelled.
Even if they don't qualify for asylum it might be worth considering how useful they could be to the country and granting a visa on merit.
Many countries aren't very keen on or refuse point blank the return of asylum seekers. So short of parachute training the whole legal process is pointless.
But if the uk is expected to honour the treaty to assess then those countries should be under the same level of obligation to take back failed asylum seekers. They can’t have it both ways. We either all play by the treaty on no one does
It's also a manufactured problem - people arrive and don't seem to be processed in a fair or timley manner, they just seem to be sent to languish in hotels or social housing in perpetuity.
Well yes, and a rather useful manufactured problem. How else can governments distract attention away from their own failings in housing, health care, crime, rising utility costs, etc etc ?
Get the issue of "the small boats" on the front pages whilst relegating real issues onto the more obscure pages and you've got yourself a result.
The only problem with that tactic of course is that if you do manage to convince voters that asylum seekers are a real issue and a threat to them they then expect you to resolve the "problem".
Invariably it ends up being completely counter-productive and the consequences are totally predictable, as the last Tory government discovered to their cost when they put the issue of small boats at the forefront of their voter charm offensive.
History repeats itself, first as a tragedy and then as a farce.
Many countries aren't very keen on or refuse point blank the return of asylum seekers. So short of parachute training the whole legal process is pointless.
But if the uk is expected to honour the treaty to assess then those countries should be under the same level of obligation to take back failed asylum seekers. They can’t have it both ways. We either all play by the treaty on no one does
I am not sure what "refuse point blank the return of asylum seekers" means, I suspect that it is a typo, but what I am sure of is anti-asylum seeker racism and bigotry is widespread across much of Europe and the the West, which is ironic as asylum seekers are often fleeing appalling conditions created by Western inference.
But the fact that there are widespread anti-asylum seeker sentiments in many countries is hardly a justification for having them in the UK.
Victor Orban might be popular in Hungary, or Donald Trump in the USA, but that is no reason to assume that it is therefore acceptable for Nigel Farage to be popular in the UK.
So applying that same logic, this comment :
We either all play by the treaty or no one does
has no traction.
As usual Ernie you've missed the point or more likely deliberately ignored it. chrismac and Edukator were referring to failed asylum seekers so most of your post isn't relevant when replying. Many countries won't take back failed asylum seekers (who by their very nature have failed to show they deserve ayslum) so we end up stuck with them. We're in a no win situation although I do agree it's not the biggest problem the UK faces despite all the right wing biggotted frothing. We have much bigger issues with our ever increasing numbers of home grown drains on society who are often ironically the ones shouting loudest about the immigrants stealing their benefits.
As my plain English isn't working for you, Ernie, try it in French: 😉
You simply can't return people to some places, they are refused entry.
That's not racist of me it's a simple obervation. What I'm suggesting is that all of these people whatever their immigration status are given temporay visas that allow them to work which will benefit them and society as a whole. Keeping them in detention centers (prisons) is counter productive unless there's reason to believe they're a danger to society which the vast majority aren't. They're people who've fled violence/persecution, undertaken dangerous joruneys and would like to make their lives in a safe place.
IMO it's a serious error not allowing them to work legally as history tells us immigrants who can't work very often work illegally and tend to set up criminal organisations.
As usual Ernie you've missed the point or more likely deliberately ignored it.
Oh wow, an ad hominem attack from you, how unusual! 😃
No I didn't understand what was meant by "Many countries aren't very keen on or refuse point blank the return of asylum seekers" because we were discussing the attitude of other countries towards asylum seekers, now it has been explained further I understand.
However I don't understand why that is a particular problem, what sort of of country refuses entry to its own citizens? Surely the answer to that is the sort of country with a repressive regime which as you point out yourself kind of justifies the asylum claim.
So it is only really a problem where the asylum process has come to the wrong conclusion I would have thought.
so most of your post isn't relevant
I beg to differ, most of my post is perfectly relevant imo. The UK government has legal obligations under both international law and UK law, the suggestion that because other countries don't necessarily comply with their obligations is neither here nor there.
We have much bigger issues with our ever increasing numbers of home grown drains on society who are often ironically the ones shouting loudest about the immigrants stealing their benefits.
Indeed
Many countries aren't very keen on or refuse point blank the return of asylum seekers.
Have you data to back that up? I don't think that's a substantial part of the "problem".
IMO it's a serious error not allowing them to work legally as history tells us immigrants who can't work very often work illegally and tend to set up criminal organisations.
Again, you have evidence that "very often" they "set up" criminal organisations? I think it's much more likely they are exploited by criminals, which is a subtly different thing, with quite different culpability.
FWIW I agree with you that not allowing those with pending applications to work is absolutely stupid. But then its also pretty stupid not to allow a person to make an application before they arrive in the UK - perhaps with different criteria (e.g. showing family links to people who are here). You probably need some sort of "buffer" period to prevent it being easier to get an pending case permit to work than a legitimate visa, but if your application has been stuck in the system for months, you've provided everything that's expected of you then moving you from a cost to an income generator seems a logical approach.
the vast majority of applicants are not in detention centres - they are in temporary accommodation.Keeping them in detention centers (prisons) is counter productive unless there's reason to believe they're a danger to society which the vast majority aren't.
This is one of the groups actively involved in the Epping "protests". They are a far-right white supremacist group originating from Scotland which Hope not Hate has described as the largest fascist organisation currently in the UK.
https://twitter.com/Homeland_Party/status/1947016005760541139
Poly, there was a documentary on my local TV which outlined what happened when Roumania and Bulgaria joined the EU. There was a transition in which nationals of those countries could travel through Europe but not work. The mafias of those countries profitted from the situation to provide illegal work very often in illegal sectors of the economy for people wishing to move to/work in France/Germany/Belgium etc. The programme argued that if the people had been able to work legally they wouldn't have fallen prey to the mafia and increased its wealth and power base. The fact the victims were working illegally in France made them highly unlikely to denounce their situation to the authorities. Strategies such as withholding passports and threats to relatives made them virtual prisoners of their exploiters.
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mafia_bulgare
The programme went on to convincingly develop the theme using examples of communities from Magreb, the Sahel and other places to demonstrate how idle hands had been put to work by criminal gangs.
Us French generally get chucked in detention centers rather than hotels:
But then you never believe a word I say... .
Was notable on a TV news piece yesterday that while Epping locals aren't happy with the hotel and it's residents, none of the protesters arrested are local.
This goes into more details concerning those behind the rioting in Epping
https://standuptoracism.org.uk/exclusive-neo-nazi-group-behind-organising-epping-riots/
Too slow to find to add in an edit:
https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/immigration-detention-in-the-uk/
This goes into more details concerning those behind the rioting in Epping
Just concerned parents looking out for their kids, right?
People who marked Sir Keir Starmer's words like he told them to do
https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1922564643433627824
Funnily enough, based on this story the kids are probably safer out of the house. The mum definitely is. For comparison the British Army has a domestic abuse rate of just over 1 in 10.
This says to me that “Protecting Are Children” has much more to do with possession than protection. It always the ones you most expect.
It always the ones you most expect.
Yup. 95% of the time you know the exact type before you've seen their mugshot or read anything about them. Petty neighbourhood thugs who've lived their lives relying on the fact that most people don't want a gob full of abuse or a punch in the face for challenging their loutish behaviour.
Then, when they do end up in court it is all about being 'misunderstood' etc.
Just watched C4 news and I see they interviewed a couple of folk from the protests, I'll be fair to both sides.
The reporter interviewed the most thick as shit ignorant as **** brain cell deprived 60yr old disguised as a 200yr old living corpse who wants all the asylum seekers/migrants to go back from where they came.
On the other side they appeared to be normal.
The protesters are doing a wonderful job reinforcing my beliefs as to what sort of person acts like that
as well as being immortalised on the tinternet.
And well deserved it is too. No matter how many times I watch it I still chuckle every time I see the bricks making contact.
I think it's the fact that the bricks are being lobbed by ****wits like himself which adds to the comedy value.
Plus how he is mockingly gyrating his hips in front of the coppers when the first brick makes contact,. although it isn't clear in that particular clip.
A year ago today.
With commemorations happening in Southport, the local MP strikes the right tone by saying the town will not be defined by the attack.
Let's hope the Carling and trackie bottoms brigade stay away.
A year ago today.
With commemorations happening in Southport, the local MP strikes the right tone by saying the town will not be defined by the attack.
Let's hope the Carling and trackie bottoms brigade stay away.
I sometimes wonder whether "commemorating" tragedies like this are a good thing or not. I guess only the families can truly make the call on that.
A year ago today.
With commemorations happening in Southport, the local MP strikes the right tone by saying the town will not be defined by the attack.
Let's hope the Carling and trackie bottoms brigade stay away.
I sometimes wonder whether "commemorating" tragedies like this are a good thing or not. I guess only the families can truly make the call on that.
Aye, I'm pretty sure those directly impacted will be commemorating every day for the rest of their lives. I'd like to think they would be given the opportunity to steer such a thing.
Aye, I'm pretty sure those directly impacted will be commemorating every day for the rest of their lives. I'd like to think they would be given the opportunity to steer such a thing.
Officially, of course, they will be given that opportunity.
But that's no guarantee that a bunch of lagered-up thugs, egged on by the likes of Farage, can't set the news agenda by showing up and acting like the louts they are.
But that's no guarantee that a bunch of lagered-up thugs, egged on by the likes of Farage, can't set the news agenda by showing up and acting like the louts they are.
Well no, but you do seem to be doom wishing, unless there's been some right wing chatter I've not seen reported.
you do seem to be doom wishing
Nope. I just wouldn't be surprised if it happened is all. 'Seem' is doing all the heavy lifting in that lazy accusation.
🤷♂️
Nope. I just wouldn't be surprised if it happened is all.
The suggestion that Nigel Farage might 'egg on', as you call it, his supporters to turn up drunk and disrespect commemorations at Southport is just daft.
Nigel Farage might be a lot of things but stupid isn't one of them.
Anyway it seems that the commemoration was really quite special and very fitting :
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c201g7w9377o
I’d imagine that any trouble is now far less likely now that the main instigator, Little Tommy, has just left the country after what I’m sure is just a perfectly innocent misunderstanding
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/tommy-robinson-says-had-fight-083121597.html
I would expect every inch of the concourse of St Pancras International to be covered by CCTV, in multiple directions, so why the hell is he running away and not helping the police with their enquiries?
Blimey, if you expand that photo it looks like he's got a touch of herpes.
I wonder if he caught that whilst residing at His Majesty's pleasure ?
The bloke Robinson hit had to be given CPR.
Hopefully this will see him put away for a long time once he returns to the UK.
Yes, he's already flown (fled) abroad for his "post fight holibobs"...
I’d imagine that any trouble is now far less likely now that the main instigator, Little Tommy, has just left the country
This (slightly meandering) article seems to suggest that Tommy Robinson had a peripheral role in Epping events. I thought it was a bunch of Scotch Nazis that were much more heavily involved?
https://standuptoracism.org.uk/exclusive-neo-nazi-group-behind-organising-epping-riots/
https://hopenothate.org.uk/case-files-homeland-party/
Hopefully this will see him put away for a long time once he returns to the UK.
I blame the Labour government for releasing criminals from jail early.
Daily Mail readers and GB News viewers were outraged at Labour's soft touch with criminals, releasing them into law-abiding communities early, now I understand the point they were trying to make.
The suggestion that Nigel Farage might 'egg on', as you call it, his supporters to turn up drunk and disrespect commemorations at Southport is just daft.
Nigel Farage might be a lot of things but stupid isn't one of them.
Well that's the real trick, isn't it?
The egginess is dialled up and down according to how distant Nige feels it expedient to appear at any given moment.
This is his real gift - a good nose for when to be the figurehead and when to get someone else to be at the forefront.
In any case, his activities of the last decade have let enough of the racist genie out of the bottle that he doesn't really need to stick his head out too much. He can now, more often than not, play the voice of 'reason' who can represent bigotry through parliament. He just needs to remember to throw the masses a bone or two with bigoted comments every so often.
You give Nigel Farage far too much credit. He didn't invent racism.
Has Little Tommy started the gofundme page to pay for his legal fees to right this great injustice?
He normally has it up and running within minutes of his latest arrestable offence. the gullible halfwits who follow him are usually more than happy to hand over their cash, despite it then being spent on coke and holidays