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By not giving all the facts, hearsay and speculation starts.
There are good and proper reasons for this. What starts that which you have named is random idiots who feel entitled to privileged information who are wholly unconnected to the events and lack the EQ to manage their own emotions appropriately.
Arrogant, nosey mouth-breathers who could do well to learn some patience and actually put at the forefront of their minds those directly impacted instead of their own selfish wants.
They know who the 17 year old is in the area, the press have interviewed their old neighbours and so on, yes they cannot name the person, but nobody in that area believes it’s al araki who arrived on a dinghy last year
there’s an irony in the fact that if one of those neighbours leaked the name of the 17yo they would be commiting a crime; yet those who deliberately ‘named’ the fake forin-sounding attacker get away Scott free with what they have caused.
Poetry, karma dildo, epic, life changing, life affirming, godlike.
None if that even remotely sums up the elegance of this video.
It demands an oscar, I demand it gets an oscar. I want it mate into a mini series.
https://twitter.com/supertanskiii/status/1818403874513838295
I'm in what I hoped had been the latter stages of recovery from some broken ribs. That video has made me laugh, quite hard. Recovery may be set back a week or so.
Totally worth it. God I miss public order training.
Whatever happened to rule 1 eh.
Also don't they all have jobs to go to in the morning or did they book it off.
Also don’t they all have jobs to go to in the morning or did they book it off.
I reckon that fella in the grey might be self-certifying for a few days: rocks to the head & bollocks and soul crushing humiliation immortalised forever more is worth a few days rest.
I reckon that fella in the grey might be self-certifying for a few days: rocks to the head & bollocks and soul crushing humiliation immortalised forever more is worth a few days rest.
And enough facetime and sufficiently viral inducing that with luck there will be no job to go back to.
Those scenes could be enough to make you embarrassed to be white. How truly horrific for the families involved tonight. And for any member of the emergency services involved yesterday then finding themselves attacked today. I despair.
Edit : can't do the link
Try this
https://twitter.com/plinketyplink2/status/1818383624179470779
Yeah that works. Same guy ^^ earlier
In a couple of years it'll be 30 years since the Dunblane massacre. I am glad that legislation passed after Dunblane may have made it more difficult to get hold of a gun here, but Ì'm sad that we as a species seem to have learnt very little since 1996
And enough facetime and sufficiently viral inducing that with luck there will be no job to go back to.
I think you are completely right here. Icing on the hard hitting cake.
More tear gas, rubber bullets, water cannon and baton charges please. Oh, and release the hounds.
Thats not how the police do it. These days its all vid and photographing, which they spend the next few months going through identifying who is who and who did what. Then the main offenders get a 5am wake up call by their door going in.
Would’ve been nice for the first few posts to focus on the horrific attack and how we’ve got here, rather than some fringe mentalist in the US who wrote lies that was reposted by right wing nutters, those freaks will do the same nonsense day in, day out, this type of attack thankfully only happens every few years, and is much more important than internet fantasists.
That whooshing sound you hear? That’s the point you’re missing going straight over your pointy little head.
The horrific attack, and how and why it’s happened, (the details of which nobody actually knows), is largely amplified by the likes of QAnon, Extreme Right Wing factions in America, and I include current members of the US government in that, being devoured by people with a similar mindset in this country, who then go on to commit atrocities like this against innocent people and children.
Have a read of this, it might, possibly, lead to some enlightenment.
What a terrible terrible thing to happen. I can’t imagine losing a child, let alone losing one like this. I’m not sure it’s something I’d ever get over.
You don’t. The rawness may fade, but in reality the grief never really does. I read an interview with the singer/songwriter Alynda Lee Seguera, in which she said “Grief has no time frame”. I have that tattooed on my arm, underneath the date my partner died. I don’t think I’ll ever get over losing her; losing a child, under such circumstances, is a loss I can’t comprehend.
This whole tragedy has made me feel deeply saddened and angered, in equal measure. Saddened at the needless loss of innocent young lives. Angered at the fact there are people willing to organise themselves into hijacking this for their own twisted agenda, demonstrating a complete lack of any empathy, or even just sympathy, for those left to pick up the pieces of their lives.
If there was a way I could legally divorce myself from being classed as the same species as these vile people, I'd jump at the chance. I share none of their values.
I really hope we learn from this as a society. A lot of reflection is required.
Farage was one of the far right shysters happily peddling rumours and false information yesterday which led to all that disgusting thuggery last night. Chris Patten, a remnant from when the Tory party wasn’t so xenophobic, referred to him very accurately… Tommy Robinson in a cravat
Surely there are grounds for charging him with incitement?
Hats off to this woman who stood in the middle of those knuckle-draggers and expressed what the majority of people actually think
https://Twitter.com/drlygo/status/1818511707691425984?s=46&t=1lK7Dw1b6RqGJyvufO-trQ
So is this the second time in 2 weeks the Honourable Member for Clacton has spread racist falsehoods on social media?
So is this the second time in 2 weeks the Honourable Member for Clacton has spread racist falsehoods on social media?
There's nothing remotely honourable about the way that man acts.
There’s nothing remotely honourable about the way that man acts.
Definitely more Member than Honourable, but more seriously, spreading racially based falsehoods, shall we say, must get close to the law, let alone bringing Parliament into disrepute.
EDL needs to be made a proscribed organisation.
EDL needs to be made a proscribed organisation.
That was my first thought but they have done themselves so much damage in the eyes of the majority that I think these Farage loving thugs should remain as a constant reminder to everyone of just how unacceptable and stupid bigotry is.
Something which even the Daily Mail is loudly proclaiming
I notice that the Daily Mail appears to have disabled their comments section.
Despite having tried to exploit this truly tragic event for their own agenda the far-right has likely done themselves irreparable damage
At least the WPC who had her nose broken had it dun by inglish paytreerts this time.
the far-right has likely done themselves irreparable damage
I wish I shared your optimism.
The people who buy into the "are tommy" narrative really buy into it. The more extreme a viewpoint, the more entrenched it is likely to be. No-one chucking bricks at riot police is going to have a sudden flash of introspection and think "hm, maybe we went a bit far there." They are fanatics. I heard Robinson described as a "lone voice" the other day, he's a hero to these brainless shitgibbons.
I notice that the Daily Mail appears to have disabled their comments section.
They've all moved to the GB News and Talk TV chat forums. This seems to be the new business model for those channels, attract outraged patriots to your website (and serve them lots of ads I assume).
Looks like some video from last night.
2 absolutely cracking shots here
https://www.reddit.com/r/ukdrill/s/ViXF612wUX
Patriots:
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Not patriots
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The fact these people even think they're on the same level as people who have quite literally died in defence of this nation and its people astounds me.
^^ There are a few people on Twitter bemoaning the riots today that were happy to post that false name narrative yesterday.
Oh, you mentioned foreign involvement earlier in the thread RM, CNN are reporting that that fake perpetrator info was first posted on a Russian affiliated "news site".
The apocalyptic aftermath of those patriots protecting the community.
https://twitter.com/Parody_PM/status/1818545276187004964
I'm hoping that with Farage and Anderson and the rest of the suit-wearing Reform racists jumping on the bandwagon yesterday, along with Tommy Robinson, that the scales might fall from a few peoples eyes and they now see that they are just two cheeks of the same arse.
The only difference is one of them wears Tweed instead of Stone Island
Aren't these violent protesters in fact themselves, ironically, terrorists?
I have little words for the way these things happen
even if the perpetrator is some sort of recent immigrant turned terrorist (all unannounced or denied right now) , the rioting doesn't prevent anything, all it does is waste additional resources and cause greater problems.
Its horrible what has happened and i can't even try to think about it properly, but this kind of behaviour by what literally seems to be chavs at any opportunity needs to be treated appropriately. you're chucking bricks at police? surely that's attempted murder? Water cannon, plastic bullets and tazer's, handcuffed and prosecuted in full force. Don't want to get hurt? don't get involved in this sort of thing
The fact these people even think they’re on the same level as people who have quite literally died in defence of this nation and its people astounds me.
It shouldn't astound you. They're morbidly thick, unattractive, violent thugs who want to blame their poor quality of life on anyone else, so long as they don't have to face up to the reality that they are just useless.
I’m hoping that with Farage and Anderson and the rest of the suit-wearing Reform racists jumping on the bandwagon yesterday, along with Tommy Robinson, that the scales might fall from a few peoples eyes and they now see that they are just two cheeks of the same arse.
The only difference is one of them wears Tweed instead of Stone Island
Not a chance. There will be a handful of befuddled pensioners. But everyone else who voted Reform/UKIP/Leave etc and identifies with the likes of Farage knows what lies just underneath the surface. At best they made a decision to wilfully ignore the evidence and downplay it in their own minds. And that is being very charitable.
How the hell did we get here? An unsubstantiated rumour ends up in a riot….
Society going to hell in a handcart..
Hopefully the IT bods at the police, NCA, GCHQ or whoever does it, will be able to track down those responsible for organising it and hit them and those linked to them with the full force of the law.
This sort of thing does not just happen spontaneously, it is planned and prepared for. As mentioned above, this is organised terrorism in all but name.
When that 'news' website popped up yesterday with the false info, and all the links to it were all over X and Facebook, whois showed it as being registered near Boston, US. The organisation info was all redacted.
But yes, an investigation should be able to uncover who was behind it. Someone paid for the domain and hosting.
If I can post a picture, I just want to post something a little more positive.
No-one chucking bricks at riot police is going to have a sudden flash of introspection and think “hm, maybe we went a bit far there.” They are fanatics.
Of course, which is why I suggested that they are probably doing irreparable damage to the EDL in particular and the far-right cause generally. A point which you appear to challenge
Hopefully the IT bods at the police, NCA, GCHQ or whoever does it, will be able to track down those responsible for organising it and hit them and those linked to them with the full force of the law.
I really, really hope that brick-in-the-bollocks-bloke gets a knock on the door, just to cement his place as the biggest nobhead who ever walked the earth. Lets just take a moment to once again appreciate the true majesty of his stupidity....
https://Twitter.com/GusTheFox/status/1818422209020354954
How the hell did we get here?
Social media. These people have always existed, but they had no real idea of realising how many people shared their views. Previously it was just their mates down the pub. Felt pretty isolated. Now they can see solidarity on social media and feel emboldened by it, fed lies by the right wing poster boys like Farage and Robinson.
Social media.
I completely agree 100%.
They are quite small in numbers which is presumably why mosques across the UK haven't been attacked and it is just the one in Southport.
Stephen Lennon/the EDL is not popular with the UK public, which is why the gobshite lost his deposit when he stood in the European elections in a seat which probably provided him with his best chances. I think he managed to get 2%
which is why the gobshite lost his deposit
Shame he hasn't lost his liberty yet. But that would probably then make him a martyr to some.
Of course, which is why I suggested that they are probably doing irreparable damage to the EDL in particular and the far-right cause generally. A point which you appear to challenge
But ernie you are missing the point here, the kind of person who likes the EDL, or goes on their marches, will think that yesterday was great and it might even give them a boost. They showed the powers that be that they are a force to reckon with etc. etc.
I think this will embolden many of them, seeing the coverage and the outcry from the people they despise (or have been told to despise). Most of them will literally get away with civic unrest and rioting.
I'd throw the lot of them in a rock grinder and have zero compunction.
Thanks to Ernie for this.
https://twitter.com/plinketyplink2/status/1818383624179470779
Just in case anyone had any sympathy for the "brick guy", which I highly doubt, here he is expressing his remorse in regard to the children that were murdered. He's in other videos too, at least 4 I've seen
It's fair to say that, all in all, it's just another brick in the ball.
https://twitter.com/jasemonkey/status/1818422518207651868
Social media
This and wider. We have an unprecedented level of access to information. This can be a great thing. What we can see is the other side of that.
Sometimes we're not as far away from chimps as we'd like to believe.
Comment on X about the brick idiot
"I was half expecting him to step on a rake on the way out"
We’re all chimps, but some of us are chumps
Brickidiot is the funniest thing I’ve seen all year
I appreciate that in the duration of the vieo, the 5m x 2m target of the police line only gets hit by 5 bricks.. Three's 3 complete misses over the top, but Brickidiot takes 2 perfect shots in the head and crotch.
Surely too good for random chance?
But ernie you are missing the point here, the kind of person who likes the EDL, or goes on their marches, will think that yesterday was great and it might even give them a boost.
Be that as it may it does not contradict the point I am making ie the EDL are probably doing themselves irreparable damage.
Yes they are likely to be too thick to figure out that fighting and injuring police officers and smashing property won't win them over public opinion. Although more likely they don't even care.
Surely too good for random chance?
Even racists hate racists. 😉
Be that as it may it does not contradict the point I am making ie the EDL are probably doing themselves irreparable damage.
They're just like organised football hooligans, they thrive off this nonsense. They don't care and there is clearly a lot of morons who will simply replace the ones that do get prosecuted. I advise not holding your breath whilst the allure of the EDL to these racist idiots wanes
^^I suppose we now know what happened to the Star Wars Kid.
It's only watching that video in slow motion that I fully realised he had been hit by three bricks. First one to the chest, the second one to the back of the head, and the third one to the bollocks.
It's how he quickly moves his hand from the back of his head to his crotch that cracks me up - pure comedy
Of course, which is why I suggested that they are probably doing irreparable damage to the EDL in particular and the far-right cause generally. A point which you appear to challenge
Only in so far as anyone sufficiently invested in "the far right cause" will see this as a positive.
Elsewhere on the Internet a couple of days ago, someone was asking if anyone could take their dad to a Tommy Robinson rally in London. I offered to take him so long as I could leave him there. To wit the poster launched into a tirade about how his family were the Suicide Squad (I assume a reference to the Burnley football hooligans from the 1980s and not Harley Quinn) and that I should 'watch out.'
The people responsible for this shit and their hangers-on, they aren't ashamed, they're proud. Really stuck it to the ****s yesterday, that'll learn 'em with their coming over here and existing.
Shitehawks one and all.
Hopefully "brick meet nuts" guy has taking such a whack that his balls popped and he's unable to father any more children.
£10 says random brick guy is on Strictly, Celebrity BB, or similar.
£10 says random brick guy is on Strictly
Surely he's already been punished enough? 😉
dissonance
That or is was a cunning attempt to make the police line collapse.
Laughing?
Shame they couldn't see it as he was turned away from them.
I appreciate that in the duration of the vieo, the 5m x 2m target of the police line only gets hit by 5 bricks.. Three’s 3 complete misses over the top, but Brickidiot takes 2 perfect shots in the head and crotch.
Surely too good for random chance?
Proof that there is a God and he hates racists.
Be that as it may it does not contradict the point I am making ie the EDL are probably doing themselves irreparable damage.
In the face of whom?
Genuine question, I don't know where you're going with this. People who support the EDL will be cheering all the way, I wouldn't be surprised if there's a GoFundMe set up for Dick-A-Brick. The rest of the country already knew they were c**ts. Who is going to watch this footage and think "wow, I had them all wrong, I had no idea"?
Even if you're right, it'll change nothing. They'll just rise again under a different name. NF > BNP > EDL > [insert acronym here]. It's the same brand of neo-nazi thuggery that we grew up with in the 1970s who simply don't like brown people. If the name "leaked" had been Justin Smith, this riot wouldn't have happened.
just had to put my (half)sister on take a break
My half siblings (and I) are all Protestant NI, but i don't live there.. they seem more right wing in general over there for some reason... reposting protest organisation...... :S with no context it seems...
Cougar, what Daz said on the first page
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Whatever. Can’t be arsed having an argument off the back of this and you’re clearly looking for one.
Find another topic
“I was half expecting him to step on a rake on the way out”
I was surprised a man carrying a scaff plank past the scene didn't make a sudden 180 turn!
He does have blood on his hand from the headshot. So he must have been in alot of pain before the hole shot to the knackers.
Don't know if I feel any sympathy though tbh.
hoping that one of the twitter wags will put some 'to me, to you' sfx over that video
Social media. These people have always existed, but they had no real idea of realising how many people shared their views. Previously it was just their mates down the pub. Felt pretty isolated. Now they can see solidarity on social media and feel emboldened by it, fed lies by the right wing poster boys like Farage and Robinson.
Bollox.
How did we get here? Farage, mainly, and Cameron.
The far right has existed in the UK for donkey's years. During the war it was Mosley and his crew gathering crowds. Once the Windrush generation started landing it boiled down to simple racism - those people don't look like us, so let's blame them for everything that's wrong in our lives. And there were riots, people charging police, burning down buildings both in support of and fighting racism.
20 years ago Nick Griffin was still seen on TV, as the not-quite-acceptable-but-let's-show-him-anyway face of "alternative views". Then we stopped seeing him and his ilk for a while.
Then Farage started getting airtime, David Cameron decided the best way to avoid losing voters to Farage's (not actually electable) crew was to legitimise his views on immigration, racism and so on, and the rest is history. Overlay that on top of an economy and country that has been absolutely driven to the wall by the Tories over the last 14 years and we have a lot of people feeling much worse off than they were, with fewer opportunities than they had, seeing others getting richer and richer; being told that it's down to people "coming over here stealing what's yours".
To be clear, nobody has stolen NHS beds - the government just didn't invest in them. Nobody's stolen your job (unless you clean toilets for cash with no job protection), companies have just taken the money and given it to shareholders. And although events like this are absolutely shocking and appalling and horrendous to see, as we saw in Southport, it's less about immigrants than lunatics of any background/ colour/ beliefs.
But the people whose opportunities and feelings of agency have been taken away from them have been told for the last decade that it's OK - nay, right - to blame it all on immigrants, and that the best way to show their disapproval is take to the streets. Social media is a channel; but it's the Daily Hatemail, the Express, GB News, Farage, Yaxley-Lennon, Suella Braverman that have the recognition and voices to make this acceptable.
"We would appeal to anyone who has information or video footage of those involved in this shocking behaviour to come forward so we can identify and arrest those responsible. Anyone with information can DM @MerPolCC or contact Crimestoppers on 0800 555 111.”
I suspect that his pain might not have concluded yet, well the nonphysical pain that is.
What I find particularly strange is how he simply stands there with bricks flying around, he must have been completely out of his head.
I have been in similar situations with missiles from protesters raining down, no way did I stroll around as if walking along a promenade on a sunny afternoon