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Am looking at studying at Edinburgh University in scotland this year.
I'm south of the border which means, yes, 9000, over 4 years which is 36000 wonga!
However reading into it, under EU law, the Scottish cannot discriminate tehrefore have to offer all other EU residents free university aswell, other than the other countries on the British mainland, I.E England!
To be classed as a Scottish resident, one must live there for 3 years.
However to be classed as an Italian resident, one must be there for 3 months, after which you can request your residency.
So If i were to say, work in Italy for 3 months, and then apply to Edinburgh University as a foreign EU student, would my tuition fee's be free?
if anybody could shine any ight on this it would be much appreciated!
However reading into it, under EU law, the Scottish cannot discriminate tehrefore have to offer all other EU residents free university aswell, other than the other countries on the British mainland, I.E England!
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If that's the case then you shouldn't be discriminated against because you're English, so you should get a free Uni place.
the Scottish government contends that as tuition fee arrangements are based on ordinary domicile and not nationality, the current system is lawful.
European law means that the Scottish Government is obliged to pay the fees of students living in non-UK EU countries
Seems reasonable, but how long does it actually take for your Italian residency to come through?
You'll find that the young ladies will be far more interested in an Italian boyfriend too. Keeping the accent up will be a bit of a challenge though.
well it says the Italian residency can defer you for up to 6 months if they are doubtful of your residence, however as long as your in employment at the end of your 3 month residency, then you will receive your residency with immediate affect
well it says the Italian residency can defer you for up to 6 months if they are doubtful of your residence, however as long as your in employment at the end of your 3 month residency, then you will receive your residency with immediate affect
Nevermind.
nevermind?
Hahahaha! Straw Hat, Raybans and a vespa for 3 months, cant be bad!
Just study in Italy, not cheaper but probably more of an experience.
Italy will be bankrupt soon. With £'s in your pocket you should be able to snap up a bargain.
I've just bought a Greek Island on eBay. Lesbia, I think it was called.
Can't you study somewhere else?
Going from a lovely place like Italy to Scotland would be a shock to the system.
considering the quality of xc riding in the scottish highlands, and the beauty of it, as well as the respected quality of the scottish universities, i'll stick with scotland
considering the quality of xc riding in the scottish highlands, and the beauty of it, as well as the respected quality of the scottish universities, i'll stick with scotland
Lewis,
Bad news the SAAS rules for EU students are you need to have been ordinarily resident in the EU (non UK) country for the 3 years preceding the start of your course - its irrelevant what Italy thinks.
Also worth bearing in mind that the Scottish Government don't like this and are keen to find a way to avoid it (e.g. the Germans seem to have found a way round it, so they don't fund our students).
Does this mean that if Scotland gain independence and remain part of the EU, that it will have to pay for foreign students from England (and Wales and NI)?
£36,000 for 4 years, and then no guaranteed job.
Youre aving a laugh,
Does this mean that if Scotland gain independence and remain part of the EU, that it will have to pay for foreign students from England (and Wales and NI)?
Yes. Don't waste your vote!
considering the quality of xc riding in the scottish highlands, and the beauty of it, as well as the respected quality of the scottish universities, i'll stick with scotland
Have you considered Wrexham?
Have you considered Wrexham?
Bad choice, very bad choice. The riding around Wrexham is nowhere near as good as the Scottish Highlands.
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Personally I'm surprised that someone who can't use punctuation correctly is considering a university education.
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considering the quality of xc riding in the scottish highlands, and the beauty of it, as well as the respected quality of the scottish universities, i'll stick with scotland
Your choice, but there's plenty better universities than edinburgh around. You may not have got the results for these though.
Bad choice, very bad choice. The riding around Wrexham is nowhere near as good as the Scottish Highlands.
Shhhh... Don't let that get out
£36,000 for 4 years, and then no guaranteed job.
depends entirely on the course and the degree you get at the end of it.
I have AAA and am intending to study chemical engineering at edinburgh, I'm sorry about the fact i'm on a forum, not in an exam and really am not interested in ensuring perfect punctuality.
Edinburgh is one of the best uni's in the country and opposed to Cambridge and oxford (which i wouldn't want to go anyway) is probably one of the best i could go to! I think at the end of the day, it's the city not the ranking and Edinburgh>Oxford.
The morale of the story is, England is bankrupt and these tuition fee's are a huge money making scandle!
Interest is 6% on the loan!
The morale of the story is, England is bankrupt and these tuition fee's are a huge money making scandle!
Strangely the government on behalf of the tax payers and those who elected them will be paying the tuition fees to the uni,s when the student starts their course, and when and only when does a student get a paid job over a set amount, are they required to pay the money back.
If britain is bankrupt , so will scotlanshire be when it goes it alone with no oil or gas to sell, as its uk oil nad gas.
over 21,000
if i planned to go to uni for four years and get a job under 21000 it would all be a bit of a joke.
The government might pay on our behalf, but at the end of the day, they make profit from it!
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no idea what that means haha
Lewis, my dear chap, it will all become clear when [i][b]HE[/b][/i] gets here! 😉
Lewis,
If you went to Heriot Watt, also in Edinburgh, you'd only be paying £27k. The campuses are completely different, but I think Chem Eng at HWU has a very good rep too.
The other option would be to find a job for three yrs in Scotland then, assuming the rules haven't changed, you would be eligible for free education. That may not be such a bad idea as the number of people who change their mind what they want to do with their life in the 3 yrs from 18-21 is quite high... ...and you could build up a little cash to support yourself with.
I've applied to Herriot Watt for Chem Eng as well, it had a fantastic feel to it and its my second choice! I think it had strong oil and gas links. When went i took my bike and it was only a 20 minute ride from the centre too!
That was something i considered, but in 3 years, how much knowledge will i forget! And also there's every possibility of the SAAS changing the fee's
It's certainly a consideration though!
lewis the TJ poster is the font of all knowledge,and a lot say a realy nice cycling chappie from edinburgershire
really am not interested in ensuring perfect punctuality.
A bit late to make that comment now.
please stop spamming the thread
In the end of the day if you have to pay then pay
you don't pay anything back until you start earning a certain amount
and even then, the repayments are tiny.
lewis, let's assume that you'll end up with a good degree, and walk straight into a well paid graduate position.
you'll be lucky to get £25k...
your loan repayments will be 10% of £4k = £400/year = £33/month.
you'll probably have a £2k overdraft, and about the same on a credit card. You'll naturally want to clear these in a couple of years.
£4k in 2 years will be £167/month.
the student loan will be the least of your worries.
there's truth in this, but with such a large sum of money it's worth exploiting every option possible.
Again the threshold is £21,000. If I intended to leave uni with a salary less than this then really and truly, it would be a complete waste of time me going to uni.
Why should I, as a Scottish tax payer, have to subsidise folk to go to university from south of the border? You've got your own universities and your own rulez!
Why should I, as a Scottish tax payer, have to subsidise folk to go to university from south of the border?
Oh dear......
Oh Dear Oh Dear,
ever wondered how your government can afford all these freebies that you get?
Have you tried apply in Wales I believe they get zero fees.
1. we might not be in Europe next Sept/Oct, so the EU Law you mention might no longer apply
2. student debt is unlikely ever to be paid back by the masses, my gf and I both have degrees, graduated several years ago and have jobs well under the average salary, the interest on our loans per year is more than what little we pay off,
the loans are more likely to be written off before they are ever paid off,
the english add value to scotland, thats why geoff
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Hahaha I'd love to see the Scottish cope independantly, they'd be bankrupt in months and begging for money
Where [i]is[/i] he? 😕
Seriously Lewis
Hahaha I'd love to see the Scottish cope independantly, they'd be bankrupt in months and begging for money
with that attitude, you'd be better not moving to Scotland.
with that attitude, you'd be better not moving to Scotland.
Indeed. Many people in Scotland, thanks to the well funded education they have, can spell the word "independent".
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Hahaha I'd love to see the Scottish cope independantly, they'd be bankrupt in months and begging for money
Just like the EU then?
The following is from the SAAS website regarding residence eligibility. It would appear that the 3 month suggestion is out.
Ordinarily resident has been defined in the courts as 'habitual and normal residence in one place'. It basically means that you, your parents or your husband, wife or civil partner live in a country year after year by choice throughout a set period, apart from temporary or occasional absences such as holidays or business trips. Living in a place totally or mainly for the purpose of receiving full-time education does not count as being ordinarily resident.
If this thread was better placed (while everyone was on company time), it'd be a classic. It's got it all; young whippersnapper with a bit of lip, the Scotch versus the English (with token Welsh folk trying to talk their place up), punctuation pedantry, massive potential for a political left v right tangent, and an Edinburgh theme holding it all together. Brilliant stuff.
Project - it's "uni's" not "uni,s" 😀
Considering I've had offers from Edinburgh university, I don't think it's down to you to doubt my ability really is it?
And I've nothing against the Scottish, but when they think they can fund there own education and free prescriptions and all there nice new roads, I'm awaiting the day they realise there leaching off the English
Brycey, needs an aeroplane on a treadmill, some tubeless sealant and perhaps a gay, muslim fundamentalist swan to really cap it all!
Agreed CF.
What would top it off would be if Lewis was looking for an "economical biking estate car for about £20k".
Lewis - it's "they're", they,ll not stand for that in Edinburgh!
Muslim swan? let's enough of these comments straight away, there not on.
or what tyres for the university of edinburgh..... 😀
slicks? always good weather up there 😉
As someone who has graded undergraduate and postgraduate essays at Edinburgh University, my wife says confusing 'their', 'they're' and 'there' does not go down too well.
I've met some of the students who have been accepted by Edinburgh University. I doubt their abilities 😀
brycey it's "They'll"
I think you mean,
What tyres for the correct use of the apostrophe while a passenger in an economical economical biking estate car worth about £20k which is in the cargo hold of an aeroplane on a treadmill, alongside a cage containing a rather angry antelope. Of course, said aeroplane is in the hands of a gay, muslim fundamentalist swan with a penchant for the sexy, sexy nature of cephalopods.
I struggle with long sentences, but, this doesn't work- it doesn't matter when Italy consider you resident, SAAS require 3 years. Sorry.
It's a bloody ridiculous situation tbh. What annoys me is that even though there's "no fees for scottish students", that doesn't stop the scottish government from putting the squeeze on funding- which means less places. Now that doesn't sound too bad, except that when the number of places got reduced, the policy was announced after the year's admissions were set, so we ended up with a load of unfunded students that we had to pay for ourselves! Just bonkers.
On the other hand, check with the University as they have a load of extra bursaries available- most RUK students won't pay the full £36000 apparently. They've done badly at getting this across though, which we're finding pretty hilarious... (we're charging £9000, but you get 4 years for the price of 3 with most degrees)
And I've nothing against the Scottish, but when they think they can fund there own education and free prescriptions and all there nice new roads, I'm awaiting the day they realise there leaching off the English
Im sure they're/there/their are delighted to hear that 😆
edit: too slow
well it is a good job i'm not studying english then
Eh, yes I know*. I was taking the pi55.
*That's Paisley Uni for you!
captainF, what about the antelope?? 😛
If you want to go to University to help yourself in getting a better job/quality of life then you suck it up and pay the fee's IMO.
At the moment you get free education between 4-17 after this you pay.
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oh really,
You know what would make this all the better?
Yeah I discovered that Northwinds, they mentioned this on a lot of the open days, the whole thing seems barmy to me! But hey ho, completely agee with you!
Captain FlashHeart, enough of the racism mate, it's not impressive and it's not clever, outright wrong
Again the threshold is £21,000. If I intended to leave uni with a salary less than this then really and truly, it would be a complete waste of time me going to uni.
good luck with that. there's not many people coming out of uni earning that. i can think of one person i know who graduated last year with me from a better scottish uni (if you care about rankings) who earns that. he's busting his balls in london working 12-15 hour days for goldman sachs. tough out there, mebbe it'll be better once you've graduated...
Northwind, The media were reporting that UoE were not doing a 3 for 4 deal. Now Im not saying that the media are entirely correct all of the time...
I'm not sure of Edinburgh, I know Herriot Watt are
Racism?
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a gay muslim swan? You really are a racist tosser
Och this has lost it's spark.
This thread keeps on giving! 🙂
Im "pretty" sure that UoE are playing hardball on the 4 years fees, one of the few taking that stance north of the border. Presumably because of the number of students that attend are not from Scotland
Be careful Lewis, or CF might get out his muslamic ray gun.
Regardless, whatever subject you end up studying, they won't like you using words completely incorrectly. Poor [s]punctuality[/s] punctuation will annoy examiners.well it is a good job i'm not studying english then
On a lighter note, Edinburgh is an awesome place, with plenty of riding nearby. Lots of mountain bikers there, with an active club at the University.