[Closed] Average speed cameras work. Are they even on ?

yep I got done in a set.

I like the people who slow down for the camera and then nail it up to the next one.

Bloke on my speed awareness course got done by one. He was complaining about a lack of signs 🙄

They should be on all roads.

They catch loads of folks with them. When the Forth Bridge works were going on on the M90 I think they were getting up to 100 per day. One guy got clocked three times....

One of my work colleagues did!! She's a bit of a stupid bovine!! Managed to get done somewher where you normally can't average half of the speed limit!!

He was complaining about a lack of signs

funnily enough the set I got done in went from 50 to 40 with no gateway sign on the 40, i appealed it, got rebuffed and then they installed 40 gateway signs a couple of days later...bless 'em

Is it the average speed across the total length of the section or between each camera?

I drop well below the limit for the first half then go over the limit for the rest, sometime syo can get someone to follow once you pass them.

This chap said that he stopped seeing 50 signs so floored it. Is asked him if he saw a NSL sign, he didnt reply.
I just pop the cruise control on at 54mph. I've been through average cameras at this speed most working days for over a year now.

My trick is to reset my average speed on the trip computer whilst doing the limit, this works best in a 70 like the A14. Try and keep it there between cameras and you just sail past everyone.

Is it the average speed across the total length of the section or between each camera?

they usually work in pairs but can be randomly set up so you don't which one is paired with which

assume they're on 🙁

[quote=BenHouldsworth ]Is it the average speed across the total length of the section or between each camera?

The average speed is between the two cameras (distance/time). You do get some anomalies where there are junctions in between the cameras.

Humdy ho hum..

You know those on the South of the M25, yup those that cover from almost the M23 to the exit of the bit of road that's not the M25 therein goes into darkest Kentish.

Well,

Well they work.

However, during rush (4) hour(s) you'd struggle to go over 15mph.
🙄

Bit pointless really. Ave speeds in that poxy section of congestion hell even without the Ave Speed Cameras is no greater than 65mph.

Makes you wonder why the hell they bothered.

I tend to hang back under a Truck, truckers know stuff.

They work. I used to install them.

they do work....

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the a14 between huntingdon & cambridge is so much nicer to drive on these days, the traffic flows better and a lot less hold ups.

I like the people who slow down for the camera and then nail it up to the next one.

This! Idiots.

I had 6 points that proved they worked.

In road works sometimes they work, sometimes they dont. They are very expensive so sometimes on a job where they want to slow down the speed but not pay for them they'll install dummy ones.

Wouldn't risk it though unless I knew they were dummies though!

(did I have a post deleted for some reason or did I just forget to write it ? 😐 )

Anyhow - interesting

(I'm in the "traffic's too heavy and they're all too scared of the cameras to get near the limit" demographic round here)

I presume you allowed to stop for a bit (for a pork pie, say) and then drive really, really fast?

One of our (ex) 'governors' at our prison got nabbed on the A1 a couple of years ago.

I thought my pants would never dry. 😆

I hate them. THey are doing some work on a road near me and the first thing they have done, before doing any work, is set up the bloody speed cameras. It will be nowt short of miraculous if you can ever go fast enough to trigger them on a normal day, let alone whilst the works are going to be on.

I drop well below the limit for the first half then go over the limit for the rest

So, on average, despite your erratic and pointless behaviour, your time taken to cover the distance is the same as if you had obeyed the limit.

Nice one. 😕

They should be on all roads.

Nope.

The average speed cameras have proved one thing to me, I use the same satnav in my Vito as I use in my Voyager. When the satnav says 50, the Vito shows 54 and the Voyager shows 50 and on the back of this I always drive to the satnav indicated speed and haven't had a ticket yet but I do overtake loads of people who must think they are doing 50 and their speedos are wrong.

tazzymtb - Member
yep I got done in a set

Which bike were you on...? 😀

Aye, with either satnav or an Etrex, when my speedo says 53/4 I'm actually doing 50.

Mate of mine who's a cop reckons the average cameras are a bit 'forgiving' anyway.

Friend got caught for doing 49 in a 40 on the M23 ones.

I reckon you'll get done for anything above limit+10%.

'Hide' along side an artic as you go past one.

esselgruntfuttock - Member
Aye, with either satnav or an Etrex, when my speedo says 53/4 I'm actually doing 50.

mrlebowski
Nope.

Why not?

funnily enough the set I got done in went from 50 to 40 with no gateway sign on the 40, i appealed it, got rebuffed

You appealed by not accepting the fixed penalty and going to court? Or is there some other method of appeal I'm missing?

I'd like to pinch a pair of these and set therm up at each end of our street to stop the idiots who race through to beat the traffic lights up on the main road.

deadlydarcy - Member

mrlebowski
Nope.

Why not?

Because we live in the UK (a free country), not the former USSR. Driving would turn into a dull, frustrating, monotonous and stressful chore with no one being able to develop the necessary driving skills to judge what is a safe speed for the conditions. Plus I'd never be able to have any fun on a deserted motorway or quiet country B road.

Have i logged on to pistonheads by mistake? Those B roads are generally hiding a couple of roadies out for a Sunday jaunt just round the corner.

You've only got to look at the standard of driving on the UKs roads to realise that "develop the necessary driving skills to judge what is a safe speed for the conditions." is just code for deciding when the speed limit/other laws of the road apply to you.

My record is 123mph through them on a motorbike 🙂 you have to love front facing cameras 🙂

rebel12 - Member

Because we live in the UK (a free country), not the former USSR. Driving would turn into a dull, frustrating, monotonous and stressful chore with no one being able to develop the necessary driving skills to judge what is a safe speed for the conditions. Plus I'd never be able to have any fun on a deserted motorway or quiet country B road.

So you want to be able to break the speed limit when you want.

Have i logged on to pistonheads by mistake?

nope just selfish****world.

My record is 123mph through them on a motorbike

You chimp. The reduced limit is there because of limitations due to roadworks and the like. The reduced limit is there for safety reasons. I suppose naming some bikers 'organ donors' isn't that far from the truth,

Well, yeah! I thought it was common knowledge that car speedos read 10% fast, so at 55 indicated you're doing 50, etc.

Some do, some don't. Car speedos used to over-read more, nowadays many are almost exact with a fresh set of tyres at the right pressure, only over-reading as the tyres get worn, and then by much less than 10%.

Average speed cameras? I love 'em. They can't catch motorbikes, see? 😈

deadlydarcy - Member

rebel12 - Member

Because we live in the UK (a free country), not the former USSR. Driving would turn into a dull, frustrating, monotonous and stressful chore with no one being able to develop the necessary driving skills to judge what is a safe speed for the conditions. Plus I'd never be able to have any fun on a deserted motorway or quiet country B road.

So you want to be able to break the speed limit when you want.

If road and traffic conditions outside of built up areas mean that it's perfectly safe to do so then yes. And before you say 'but what about the unexpected' or 'what about the group of cyclists around the blind corner' - well that's part of the skill of driving, to be able to anticipate this sort of thing and to slow right down to walking pace if necessary.

TooTall - Member

My record is 123mph through them on a motorbike

You chimp. The reduced limit is there because of limitations due to roadworks and the like. The reduced limit is there for safety reasons. I suppose naming some bikers 'organ donors' isn't that far from the truth,

Miracle i'm still here typing really isn't it 😛

Miracle i'm still here typing really isn't it

[s]We[/s] YOU should be ashamed of yourself! 8)

Miracle i'm still here typing really isn't it

Not really. STW seems to have a few mouth-breathing, self-centred chaps (as is evident by this thread).

I like 'em

Set the cruise control, sit back and relax.

"My turn on the ipad kids" 😯 😆

Well, yeah! I thought it was common knowledge that car speedos read 10% fast, so at 55 indicated you're doing 50, etc.

No it isn't.

At most 10% fast, and not at all slow is the actual thing. How much fast it is varies per car, it's 72 = 70 on my Golf (less than 3% over-reading).

Anyone know how 2 cameras can cover 3 lanes?

Or, indeed if they're effective at night? I'd have guessed the glare from headlights might prevent the reg plate being read. Maybe.

Because we live in the UK (a free country), not the former USSR.

The UK isn't a free country. We have all sorts of restrictions on what we can and cannot do, including how fast we drive.

Not really. STW seems to have a few mouth-breathing, self-centred chaps (as is evident by this thread).

That's true actually. There's nearly as many of those as there are perfect, self righteous people riding around on high horses taking themselves too seriously...... 🙂

Or, indeed if they're effective at night? I'd have guessed the glare from headlights might prevent the reg plate being read. Maybe.

http://www.speedcamerasuk.com/specs.htm

That's true actually

I know. The only time I met you, you sashayed into the building, declared everyone present knew you (when introductions were offered), waved your arm like a fading actor, then sat down and didn't listen to most of the advice you asked for.
I thought it was how an unusually-pierced Danny LaRue would hold court.

The 'only joking' defence is up there with the Edinburgh Defence. I've dealt with too many deaths and injuries caused by people riding and driving beyond limits (external and internal) for me to give a toss about hurting the feelings of idiots who brag about that sort of thing on an internet forum.

I can't imagine PP sashaying FWIW.

I've dealt with too many deaths and injuries caused by people riding and driving beyond limits (external and internal) for me to give a toss about hurting the feelings of idiots who brag about that sort of thing on an internet forum.

I'm too skilled and too well trained to listen to idiots who think they know it all on an internet forum.

Just because you think 150mph is 'fast' and 'dangerous' doesn't mean we all do.

Stop trolling 🙄

I'm too skilled and too well trained to listen to idiots who think they know it all on an internet forum.

If you won't listen to him, why should he listen to you?

Ah I forgot this is STW where we are all experts in everything & have never made a mistake.......

"Pot calling kettle..."

If you won't listen to him, why should he listen to you?

That was kind of my point really. He's coming over as a know it all because someone was killed/injured etc...

Damn, i know someone who was killed by a toaster, doesn't mean i'm never using a toaster again. People die, people get hurt, it happens.

Does that mean just because i/we ride motorbikes we should give them up ? How about bicycles, plenty of people die doing that too.

My point is... just because his perception is that 'people were driving beyond their limits' doesnt necessarily mean that just because someone is going quickly they're beyond their limits. Many many hours of riding motorbikes on racetracks mean that IMO my 'limits' are different to a bloke who drives to the shops on a wet Wednesday afternoon once a week.

And before you say 'but what about the unexpected' or 'what about the group of cyclists around the blind corner' - well that's part of the skill of driving,

Wouldn't you have to still anticipate these things driving within the speed limit, by speeding aren't you just reducing the chance of negotiating these things safely? I've heard all the 'i thought it was safe' stuff, from the mouths of folk whose speeding has contributed to the death of their child/ parents/ spouse/ friends/ strangers, and i wonder if people like yourself can understand what a dick it makes you sound spouting it off because you want to speed.
Even if folk didn't speed people would die on the roads, but a few less. I would just rather folk that want to speed just be honest and say 'I'll speed if i want and don't give a **** about the consequences to others', all this I'm a highly skilled driver Clarkson bollix is just that. It's no different than saying i only use my phone driving when i know it's safe, or i know about that assault shite, but I'm not having the government tell me who i can or can't slap around a bit.

Edit - oh, i see the tolling has started, just ignore me.

Duh, everyone knows that breaking the speed limit gets you straight into MAN territory. If you were lacking in that area to begin with, anyhows.

Because we live in the UK (a free country), not the former USSR. Driving would turn into a dull, frustrating, monotonous and stressful chore with no one being able to develop the necessary driving skills to judge what is a safe speed for the conditions.

What was your point again?

konabunny - Member
What was your point again?

I think it was something about a pissing contest.

Anybody for a bloke with a red flag?

with no one being able to develop the necessary driving skills to judge what is a safe speed for the conditions

Lol, what a load of total garbage.

Just because you think 150mph is 'fast' and 'dangerous' doesn't mean we all do.

It is more dangerous than 70mph. Fact of physics I'm afraid. Just ask Ayrton Senna.

Oh and drive to the speedo not the satnav. Traffic flows better if everyone goes at the SAME speed not some people doing 10% more than others.

Re the average speed cameras - they need to install some on the M4 around Newport. They took several years and annoyed everyone installing variable speed limits to ease congestion, and everyone totally ignores it. What a bloody waste of effort. The people of South Wales are apparently too retarded to realise why the signs are there.

It's no different than saying i only use my phone driving when i know it's safe, or i know about that assault shite, but I'm not having the government tell me who i can or can't slap around a bit.

Nicely put. He won't listen though because he knows better than you.

Oh and drive to the speedo not the satnav. Traffic flows better if everyone goes at the SAME speed not some people doing 10% more than others.

That would assume that everybody's speedo overreads by the same amount. Should I go a few mph slower now I've got a car where the speedo overreads a bit more?

Oh, and it also ignores that you can generally go a few mph more than the limit without any danger (of either killing somebody by doing 52mph on a straight but of motorway or getting points on your licence).

...well that's part of the skill of driving...
...no one being able to develop the necessary driving skills to judge what is a safe speed for the conditions...

Average speed cameras with changeable speed limits would be a good idea for busy roads, I presume I'm not the only one to witness loads of people doing 70+ in driving rain and bugger all visibility but still tailgating the guy in front?

*&or pay the fine

Sorry but using a mobile phone whilst driving is nothing like speeding. Using a mobile is a big distraction, whereas when I'm driving fast my full attention is on the road. Before anyone criticises people who speed, perhaps you should look at your own driving. If you can hold your hands up and say with honesty that you've newer strayed over the limit then fair enough. I doubt whether that's the case though, and clearly if you've just strayed over the limit by accident rather than deliberately then you're not paying enough attention when you drive.

Average speed cameras with changeable speed limits would be a good idea for busy roads, I presume I'm not the only one to witness loads of people doing 70+ in driving rain and bugger all visibility but still tailgating the guy in front?

Though the most dangerous bit of that is the tailgating - we really need tailgating cameras (not that I disagree about enforcing lower speed limits in bad conditions).

The people of South Wales are apparently too retarded to realise why the signs are there.

This is kindof the point isn't it?

[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales-21829522 ]M4 shut for 6 hours, 1 dead man[/url]

Ah I forgot this is STW where we are all experts in everything & have never made a mistake

But the consequences of getting it wrong are so vastly different, If my souffle fails to rise or my photograph is out of focus it doesnt kill or injure somebody and change other people's lives forever because of my misplaced sell belief in my own skills.

I've cadged plenty of advanced training on the motorbike, and the approach to out of town driving is about creating space and time for yourself. You do this in order to give yourself a situation within which you can make progress. If you're doing it right you shouldn't actually know if you're speeding, the number on the dial can't tell you anything more useful than the view in front.

I've never been a racing driver, but I suspect there is zero overlap between racing driving and advanced IAM style driving. Advanced driving is not that heroic really, it's not about "rarr I'm on the limit", it's about being in the right place, taking in all the information, and making a good plan.

This is a forum which regularly sees huge swathes of cyclists insist that jumping a red light, when done with care, is safe. I'd like to see the venn diagram of those who defend "RLJ"-ing and those who condemn speeding.

2,000 dead people every year on the roads.
Over 5 people every single day...
Don't see the point of joining them or contributing to it by speeding...

Before ASCs were used in motorway road works, a few miles of 50mph works would nearly always cause tailbacks for miles as folk drove at 70/80/90 and slammed on the anchors for the one or two Gatsos, then went back to whatever speed they'd been doing before. Now, unless the weight of traffic is so much that a reduction in speed is going to cause delays anyway, traffic generally flows much better through the works. They've been a fantastic idea. I can't see any reason why all motorways and say, dual carriageways shouldn't have ASCs all the way along. Anyone who's happy to drive at the limit doesn't need to worry. Anyone who wants to speed with get themselves a ban. So, reduce congestion and remove idiots from the road at the same time. Yay! 🙂

(If donorbikers, by their actions, didn't affect so many others by getting themselves killed, I'd happily let them do as they please. However, technology will catch them eventually. It's only a matter of time till the ASCs can catch the back of the vehicle too.)

Perhaps we need a two stage driving test, so that all the experts who can read the road perfectly and never make mistakes get a different coloured numberplate to exempt them from speed limits?

Perhaps we need a two stage driving test, so that all the experts who can read the road perfectly and never make mistakes get a different coloured numberplate to exempt them from speed limits?

I thought they just bought an Audi with S in the model number?

Perhaps we need a two stage driving test, so that all the experts who can read the road perfectly and never make mistakes get a different coloured numberplate to exempt them from speed limits?

Great idea, maybe give the plate an EGO prefix so it's easy to spot?