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Police authorities have the ability to set which ASCs operate and when. The presence of a camera does not mean it's turned on.
On a stretch of motorway with ASCs installed the driver does not know which ones are turned on - it could be none; it could be every third one; it could be all. Don't forget that the police are able to change which ones are turned on when it suits them so - on yesterday but off today or off yesterday etc; you get the message.
does seem like theyre everywhere here (bedford way).
though there were ave speed signs (and ridiculous 30mph signs) all down the road where I was today, could see no actual cameras, so had to stay in 3rd gear all day
Is it possible that theyre pulling our legs?
(I had the bike in the car, so was going for a ride. I dont want to ride on the road even though its just as quick)
There are definitely 30 average cameras coming into Bedford from cardington way
ridiculous 30mph signs
I want to see one of those! 🙂
'There are definitely 30 average cameras coming into Bedford from cardington way'
its so slow along the chicksands road with roadworks etc, I often take the scenic route home
I’m just going to cover my van in tin foil,
Just spray WD40 on your number plates, fools the cameras 🙂
it appears that these types of cameras only upset one set of people. those that like to make progress.
as much as i said it stops the nutters on the a9. I was overtaken on the long corner between blair atholl and house of Bruar by an artic truck on sunday night I was doing a GPS 60mph held on cruise control
I think he underestimated my length (7m) as it was clear that by the time he was level with my cab he was running out of steam and a car was coming the other way. the **** didnt brake i was forced to brake hard to give him space to complete his maneuver.
I may be a lot of things but I'm not going to cause a head on smash just because truck driver was a dick.
it appears that these types of cameras only upset one set of people. those that like to break the speed limit
FTFY 🙂
no no no ..... no one on STW breaks the speed limit . they just make progress . there was a huge thread explaining the difference about why its ok so long as your overtaking someone to speed as its safer to pass someone at 100 as your out there for less time etc .
it went on for pages and pages and pages and pages.*
*but yes your right .break the speed limit.
Locally its all those that took advantage of cheap property in dundee and did the daily commute to aberdeen that are up in arms. instead of them being able to commute (at speed) in an hour its now 2 hours.
Big fan of average speed cameras here! They improve safety and overall journey times.
And i've been done twice by them 🙁
it appears that these types of cameras only upset one set of people. those that like to make progress.
"Making progress" is a term used by a group of people that do not condone speeding, so you would be quite wrong. 🙂
it appears that these types of cameras only upset one set of people. those that like to break the speed limit
FTFY
Indeed.
Some of those who used to hammer it on that section of Old Dalkeith Road just changed where they do it. Sections of Dalkeith Road and Mayfield Gardens have got worse. First time I ever felt the need to report another driver to police recently for nearly running me off the road in his desperation to pass.
Nice to see some credit given to the higher speed limit for trucks on the A9. It definitely isn't just the ASCs - many of the crazy overtakes have disappeared because the trucks are doing nearly 60 instead of 40. A9 may be boring now, but I quite like that in a trunk road journey.
Seems like a sure-fire way of getting people to not use those apps
Several years back TomTom got into some problems in the Netherlands. They were selling aggregated data about number of vehicles and so on including what speed people were doing. The local cops coughed up and then placed speed traps using it.
"“Making progress” is a term used by a group of people that do not condone speeding, so you would be quite wrong."
indeed , quite hypocritical of them isnt it to not condone it but to then do it.
indeed, quite hypocritical of them isn't it to not condone it but to then do it.
They don't.
You're confusing a group of people who don't condone speeding with STW driving god fantasists.
Im not confusing anything , Im pretty sure Im on STW where the driving god fantasists live which is exactly why i used the term in the context i did.
My tongue is firmly in cheek when i say it mind but i realise that somefolk dont get humour.
My point was that it is entirely unhelpful to equate making progress with speeding.
No one who is taught to make progress is taught to break the speed limit.
Regarding the Bluetooth thing,
This is surely bobbins? Even if the Highways Agency / big brother / ASDA were setting up BT tracking, it'd require your device to be discoverable in order to work. And I haven't seen a phone which has BT discovery always-on by default in probably a decade.
I assume that SSID (equivalent) is still visible.as long as the Bluetooth radio is switched on. Or are you suggesting that Siemens etc are just making it all up?
I assume that SSID (equivalent) is still visible.as long as the Bluetooth radio is switched on. Or are you suggesting that Siemens etc are just making it all up?
I guess I'm just thinking out loud really. You might be right, I don't fully understand the intricacies of Bluetooth (I worded that last post quite badly). As far as I know the BT MAC isn't visible to other devices unless a device is discoverable, but I could be wrong. (And I really hope I'm not...!)
Surely it'd make more sense to track Wi-Fi MAC addresses, in any case? Longer range aside from anything else.
They can detect the ping from Bluetooth, after the whole point of Bluetooth is to link two devices together, therefore they’ll look for a ping and then the pairing thereafter won’t take place because no user would allow pairing would they ?
The SSID is viewable, that’s how they can view the ping... thereafter what they do with that data (the device, owner/user) is not understood yet hence the questions.
But it has been trialling in Walmart where offers and discounts have been pinged to the users device whilst in store.. but that does suggest that the user has paired with the instore Bluetooth doesn’t it (??)
Seimans are trailing the A9 initiative, it’s on thier website..
Bobbins.
This is surely bobbins? Even if the Highways Agency / big brother / ASDA were setting up BT tracking, it’d require your device to be discoverable in order to work. And I haven’t seen a phone which has BT discovery always-on by default in probably a decade.
Bluetooth radio is generally always on even when switched off in software or in aeroplane mode. BLE different from traditional bluetooth. Much information on Google under BLE beacons.
Bobbins
Which bit?
Please enhance your comment user.
Really ? The A9 is now tedious and boring with people doing dangerous overtakes.
Back in the day you could easily drive at 70+ mph without it being dangerous
Not sure if trolling...
Lived just off the A9 for nearly 30 years now - the Ave Speed cameras are the best thing that has happened to it and the people who use it. Tedious and Boring = safe. Driven past far too many accidents and know people who have died because they or others thought of it as a personal raceway.
Google suggests plenty of interested parties and companies using Bluetooth in that area for traffic management.
Have a look ...
Please enhance your comment user.
My apologies, I'd quoted something from the Siemens website but the piece of shit forum spaffed all over it so I simply replaced the post with the word bobbins.
It made no reference to the content of your post, which I'm sure was not bobbins. 🙂
They can detect the ping from Bluetooth, after the whole point of Bluetooth is to link two devices together, therefore they’ll look for a ping and then the pairing thereafter won’t take place because no user would allow pairing would they ?
Well, yes, but. In order to pair, one end needs to be searching and the other end needs to be discoverable. This is not the default state on any modern device I've seen. Far as I'm aware, unless a device is listening then it'll ignore any BT traffic from unpaired devices.
The SSID is viewable, that’s how they can view the ping… thereafter what they do with that data (the device, owner/user) is not understood yet hence the questions.
BT doesn't have an SSID, that's Wi-Fi you're thinking of.
(All "as I understand it")
BLE different from traditional bluetooth. Much information on Google under BLE beacons.
Hmm. That's some further reading. Ta.
BLE different from traditional bluetooth. Much information on Google under BLE beacons.
So, seemingly BLE beacons transmit a basic signal that is picked up by an app on your phone. It tells your phone where the beacon is, not the other way around.
So other than the cost to implement, is there a compelling argument against having ASC on the entire motorway network with gantry mounted cameras on entry/exit of all junctions and some in between?
it would be expensive but I can’t think of any downside, despite being a bit big-brother It’s not like it’s actually curtailing any liberties, and would default enforce speed limits. Actual on-road police could focus on ‘bad’ driving and inappropriate speed even when under the limit, all it would do is stop the nobbers and over time generally mean people stopped excessive speeding as you simply wouldn’t be able to get away with it.
whats the downside I’m missing other than cost and logistics of managing such a system?
whats the downside I’m missing other than cost and logistics of managing such a system?
It would force all the nobbers who like to drive too fast onto much more dangerous A roads.
Are they not there already?
I don’t think displacing the nobbery is a convincing argument against it. It’s an argument, I’m just not convinced by it...
I think that, over time, it would get people used to staying within the speed limit.
either that or make them use false plates or somesuch.
no no no ….. no one on STW breaks the speed limit . they just make progress .
As a long term STW reader and also a reader of Autocar etc. I think that STW has once again got the wrong end of the stick here. The term that motoring mags use is "press on" when they mean driving at high speed, not "make progress". You might make progress as a result of "pressing on" but that is another matter, "pressing on" is the standard motoring term when they've got bored with talking about driving a car using normal phrases. See also "north of", "loud pedal", "£n a corner", "well-sorted", "driving like Miss Daisy" etc.
This is not the default state on any modern device I’ve seen. Far as I’m aware, unless a device is listening then it’ll ignore any BT traffic from unpaired devices.
But if you "search for nearby devices" on your phone, almost always something will come up. As a starter for 10 my phone finds the OBDII port on the car.
It only needs to find one device, then find it again a while down the road. It doesn't then need to communicate with it just recognize the ID. Presumably things like car radios or bluetooth-FM adapters must always be discoverable otherwise you'd have to keep poking buttons every time you got in the car with your phone?
TBH I just presumed it was done with the ANPR cameras.
But if you “search for nearby devices” on your phone, almost always something will come up. As a starter for 10 my phone finds the OBDII port on the car.
That's a point actually, I wasn't thinking beyond phones.
Presumably things like car radios or bluetooth-FM adapters must always be discoverable otherwise you’d have to keep poking buttons every time you got in the car with your phone?
Well, no, that's what pairing is for.
TBH I just presumed it was done with the ANPR cameras.
Would seem more sensible really, wouldn't it.
Sorry for my stupidity, but are we saying the cameras use the Bluetooth in your car to measure your speed? That sounds pretty unreliable given how... Unreliable Bluetooth tends to be! Or is it additional evidence that your car was at the point of the alleged speeding at the time?
are we saying the cameras use the Bluetooth in your car to measure your speed?
No, there's 2 discussions going on here... one about ASC and one about the roadside traffic info signs.
From what I've seen here, the systems just use the time taken to do a specific distance on a given route (I know that equates to speed, but they're displaying it as a time) and then display it on the roadside sign.
e.g. if your car is picked up taking 30 minutes to drive from Edinburgh to Stirling, the signs in Edinburgh will then say "Journey time to Stirling - 30 mins"
I think that STW has once again got the wrong end of the stick here. The term that motoring mags use is “press on” when they mean driving at high speed, not “make progress”. You might make progress as a result of “pressing on” but that is another matter,
Well, I make progress ..Unless conditions make it unwise to do so that means I drive the speed limit somewhere between my indicated speed and the GPS speed. Just in case, if I did exceed the GPS speed then it beeps annoyingly and flashes red....
This would be a whole lot more pleasant to do however was it not for the self appointed lane police... who it seems want to prevent road accidents, end world hunger and provide world peace by going at 69 mph indicated sat in the wrong lane for the entire motorway excluding their getting on and off.... the only time they vary from their 62-63 mph is when someone is behind them, in which case they slow down to teach them a damned valuable lesson and save kids in Africa who have no access to medicines...Usually they don't need to use a mirror at all as obviously they are not changing lanes so everyone else can just go around them one way or another but it always looks like they are shocked that the HUGE truck that has been gaining at 1/2 mph for the last 10 miles has suddenly appeared from nowhere.
At no time in the last 10 minutes did they consider using the empty inside lane... because as everyone knows god kills a kitten every time someone uses the inside lane who isn't driving a artic.
The only other time they change speed is if someone doing 70mph who is in the correct lane appears behind them. Here the first thing they do is slow down to prevent the car pulling out and force it alongside.... their goal then seems to be to match the speed until the car comes up against a speed restricted 56mph vehicle or has to hit the brakes.
When the car then passes them at 80 mph (wishing to be away from them as fast as possible) they tut and confirm that this driver was a "tear-arse who doesn't know how to drive and breaks the rules for fun".
Theirs is a world full of lorry drivers who sneak up on them and tear arses whizzing past at 90 mph...
Mysteriously when they do leave the motorway they switch their lane enforcement... they look like they are incapable of squeezing the micra sized car round roundabouts whilst sticking inside the white lines for the lanes... however this is not the case, it's another cunning ploy as they know much better than the planners and unless they use two lanes there is a danger a car might pass them when they are going quite fast enough thank you even if they are doing 30 in a 50... whereon god presumably kills more kittens.
Now from an exterior view it looks like chaos occurs around these people but that's just perception.
All that is really needed is a way to get on and off the motorway without going through the nearside lane and someone to paint over those distracting lines on the road .... and the world would be perfect ...
You probably need to stop driving, it seems to be getting to you...
Cool post stevextc.
You win.
one about ASC and one about the roadside traffic info signs
Ah that makes more sense. Cheers
The A9 is a total ballache now – admittedly their were complete idiots before, but now is almost as bad as everyone is constantly watching speed and not Road (unless they have cruise control, but even that appears to be constantly checked).
Awful Road to drive now, I’m not a fast driver but I do think the danger has been moved from fast idiots to the constant eye on the speedo and not the road.
They do work between 2 cameras, don’t they, so 4 cameras…between cam 1 and 2, then 3 and 4 or between 1 and 2, 2 and 3 and 3 and 4 or between 1 and 4?
must have been a different A9 I drove on saturday then,
Well we have found Ronnie Pickering.
Who?
If the roadworks haven't started yet, but the speed limits have been introduced i.e. the A14 section heading into Cambridge from Huntingdon, then should you sit in the right-hand lane and dump on the brakes with a open road ahead of you?
What is the worse crime, right-lane hogging or not applying to a prepatory section of speed reduction.
I'm pretty sure the A14 average cams in the expansion work don't work, if they do there should be a LOT of people forking out for fines.
I'm sure they are using us as source material
Saw this on a FB thread on average speed cameras:
mutant **** stain I actually speed every time I'm on the road in the two million odd miles I've drivin I especially love to buzz at speed gay lycra wearing cyclists who think they should be on the road. Ps cameras don't bother me just slow down till passed.
Do the police monitor that sort of stuff?
I'm curious because someone I know was deliberately driven at recently, and I had a punishment pass on the road a few months back.
What happens if/when he kills someone?
Should it be reported, and if so, to which authority?
Are the average speed cameras on the A9 (between Inverness and Perth) active? They're supposed to read your registration, and look up the maximum speed permitted for your vehicle. For lorries, that's 50mph, but many lorries seem to be travelling closer to 60mph. The lorry drivers must be using that route all the time, so presumably they'll know what they can get away with. I'm not sure if the system actually does differentiate between classes of vehicle.
I drive a Land Rover hard top, and being allowed to average 60mph rather than 50mph would make the A9 slightly less wearisome.
The HGVs are restricted to 56mph and whilke they'll exceed that downhill, they won't average much more.
Throw in the usual 10%×2mph leeway and you can see that they're unlikely to be caught(almost as if it was designed...)
Your LR is probably doing around 55mph at an indicated 60mph. So likely you could afford to put the foot down a little.
Also - check your speed limit. Some dual-use (4wd) vehicles are 60mph on single carraigeways.
Unless the land rovers running 205/16 tires it's highly likely that the land rover indicated speed is it's actual speed .(given most folk run 265/75 or 285/70s ) - mines on 235/85 and the Speedo is the same as the GPS at anything above 30
.*Some dual-use (4wd) vehicles are 60mph on single carraigeways.*
Generally if taxed as commercial (cheaper than paying on emissions based) your on the lower limits. If taxed as the emissions based then generally you'll be on the higher ones.
It's not simply the fact that having a dciv or a double cab pick up means your ok to do the upper limit.
Oh and many HGV on euro runs are not restricted to 56 due to the fact they are not limited to 56 continent wide.
****ed if they get their tachometer read mind......
Thanks. Some of the lorries do seem to be going a fair bit faster than 56mph, and they often speed up to around 70mph on the downhill sections of dual carriageways. In a way, the faster lorries seem to cause less stress than the 40mph Tesco lorries of yore, but I've now become one of the slower vehicles on the road!
I haven't been able to get a definitive answer on the speed limit on my Land Rover, so I've played it safe and stuck to a 50-ish mph average since the A9 cameras came into effect. It's a 2004 Td5 90 Hard Top. I think it's classed as a commercial, and the road tax is £240, but the law, or some people's interpretation of it, is a bit ambiguous with regard to the Land Rovers.
I’m pretty sure the A14 average cams in the expansion work don’t work
They do.
Housemate got caught very recently.