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So I have been driving up the a9 dualcarriage way the past few weeks with average cameras on them, my work wanted me to use the van to take materials up, but I have now found out that the limit drops to 60 for a van,
Not had a fine through but assume I will, and possibly on multiple days
Anything I can do? Or just wait and see?
Which type of van is it?
Ford Transit swb
It is simply the most outdated road law ever! I know that's no help but I hope you don't get fined.
Assuming you were an indicated 70 then you might just be lucky depending on how much the Speedo overeads. Anything above that you may need to be very lucky.
I sometimes set Strava running in a new vehicle to see how an indicated speed relates to strava's speed.
Assuming you were an indicated 70 then you might just be lucky depending on how much the Speedo overeads.
Almost certainly this, if your average indicated was 70 or less you'll be fine.
When the cameras came in the then Transport Minister said that the aim was to calculate the average on the single carriageway bits only. Cars have been happily doing indicated 80+ on the dual carriageway bits without tickets since, so your van should be fine.
Average speed cameras are only active on the single carriageway parts.
Single carriageway limit for a van is 50mph though.
It is simply the most outdated road law ever! I know that’s no help but I hope you don’t get fined.
Agree.
Most vans get driven flat out as it is 🤣
Average speed cameras are only active on the single carriageway parts.
The dualled section between Perth and Dunblane also has ASCs
The dualled section between Perth and Dunblane also has ASCs
As will the new duelled bits from Perth to Inverness eventually, although Its going to take 2 years to get to the bridge of Birnam from Inveralmond, so it will be a fair while yet!
I don't know about the average speed cameras but the mobile camera vans know when you are driving a van
Keeping up with the traffic on the a483 in near Wrexham got a ticket for doing 70mph on national limit dual carrageway
because there is a man in the back of the Scamera van that can clearly see from 1/2 mile away that you are also in a van.
The grey area is car derived vans , like the Berlingo
Not sure if every plate is read , then checked for vehicle type before a NIP is issued though with ASC's
Pistonheads would know
All linked to the ANPR system these days.
Berlingos are vans not car derived. Car derived stops at Fiesta size things or the old Astra vans, IIRC vans start at 2500kg gross weight but your V5 states if it's a van or not. Berlingo's with all the seats are cars and registered/taxed and speed limited as such.
Car derived vans aren't a grey area - anything recent will say car derived van on the V5.
The real grey area is non car derived vans that also comply with the Dual Purpose Vehicle requirements (which qualify for car speed limits) Dvla don't / won't identify the dpv bit on the V5, so it comes down to arguing individual cases if you get an incorrect ticket.
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Wow. I had no idea vans were subject to a lower limit. I know anything articulated or pulling a trailer is, but not vans.
Why's that then? (The rule, not the fact I wasn't aware of it).
Light goods vehicle is anything N1 on the V5 and plated gvw over 2 tonnes. Speed limits are 50mph single carriageway NSL and 60mph dual. Mway is still 70.
N1 and under 2 tonnes may qualify as car derived van. Not always on V5 as dvla used to be a bit hit and miss.
Dual purpose vehicle you can Google yourself as it is complicated and I can't be bothered typing it 🙂
Anything M1 on the V5 is car speed limits (Berlingo Multispaces, VW Caravelles, Caddy Life etc etc).
Lgv N1 converted properly to a camper can be updated to motor caravan on V5 = car speed limits.
Dual purpose vehicle you can Google yourself as it is complicated and I can’t be bothered typing it
Proper LOLs here.
I looked at vehicle classification a couple of years ago. It involved windows and %age of vehicle length as load length. I then converted my van to a camper and it's now magically able to travel faster in safety...
Dpv compliant windows are proper lol - portholes the size of a washing machine door would qualify 🙂
ACPO guidelines for speeding prosecution is 10%+2, so in a 60 zone you'd need to be doing > 68mph (assuming the local force follows guidelines) to get your collar felt. If you were doing an indicated 70mph then your actual speed was probably around 65mph.
In any case, they have 14 days to issue a NIP so if you've been doing it for "a few weeks" then either you'd have known about it before now or it'd be unenforceable anyway.
TL;DR: You'll be reet, don't do it again.
ACPO guidelines
FWIW ACPO no longer exists and didn't cover Scotland 🏴 in any case. Various "threats* to tighten up on limits have appeared over the years, though technical limitations make them largely meaningless
Again I refer to my earlier comment regarding it being a ridiculous and outdated law.
A couple of guys at work got done by mobile cameras using anpr tech. They hadn’t realised about the lower limits for that size of vehicle
Why’s that then? (The rule, not the fact I wasn’t aware of it).
Because no van driver has ever secured a load......ever
My missus got caught doing 70 in a 70 because she was in her Vito. I laughed, apparently not helpful
FWIW ACPO no longer exists
I believe so, though I expect plenty of forces just rolled over the procedures and policies anyway.
and didn’t cover Scotland
That, I didn't know. What does Scotland do?
ACPO was replaced in 2015 by the NPCC,
https://www.npcc.police.uk/About/NPCCMembership.aspx
Odly the only forces not mentioned as being members are Scotland and Northern Ireland, even the MOD plod, transport police, Gibraltar and channel islands are members. Is it some result of devolution and who they nominally report to.?
No Scottish and NI have always been separate, different legal system and processes therefore different forces. BTP have always been a bit of an oddity as they are "British".