[Closed] AVALANCHE!!

wow, that's ace

Decent slide that. Good to see the photos.

The guy in the red and blue top is clearly having none of it.

Bet he's still running now...

Ooh. Going that way Monday, thought I might ride up or down it at some point.

Cor. An actual honest-to-goodness avalanche in the Peak. Brilliant. 🙂

(Assuming there's not some poor bugger stuck under that lot, obviously.)

The sight of avalanche debris sends a shudder down my spine.

Cool!

Good job there's some many threads on trail conditions or someone might gone MTBing there.

My pooper would have gone that's for sure, but then again I'm a softie suv'ner so I feel barely qualified to even post.... 😉

Shall i put my arva bleeper in my CB for tomorrows ride?
You never can be too carefull you know.

You need bleepers just for road riding at the moment.
This is what Rivington looks like right now.
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[url= http://www.flickr.com/photos/53067724@N00/8600259878/ ]A little bit of snow[/url] by [url= http://www.flickr.com/people/53067724@N00/ ]Jon Wyatt[/url], on Flickr

Anyone know if this is clear yet? Thanks

My local hill

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Gosh, that picture doesn't show how steep Winnats is either.

Not too much snow here anymore, however there are still some whooper drifts on the footpaths up against walls.

Was lucky enough to see a little owl while mtbing out yesterday, was wondering how the wildlife is coping in these conditions.

Today on a hill near by, lazy council workers

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This is what Rivington looks like right now.

I turned back about 50m after climbing over the snow at the Rivington end. Wasn't so much the surface that made me pack it in, but the hundreds of people who'd decided to go for a stroll up the road.

Has it been ploughed all the way over the top?

I think it has now. The plough arrived shortly after I took that picture I think, probably to try and release the 7 or 8 cars that were trapped up there. On the Belmont side there was no snow at all anyway. There's still all that snow up from Rivington though, that goes almost all the way up to the junction with Belmont road.

Yep, it's clear - was over there this morning.
Did hear that it was closed again for a while this morning - no idea why. It's all a bit soft so am guessing some of the ploughed piles may have slumped but if I find out more I will post it up.

Fantastic riding on the tops though:

Top road on Bradwell Moor:
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Lots of snow but great fun.

cool, cheers guys.

there was a huge pile of snow just past the cafe at the bottom yesterday which everyone was clambouring over

was quite pleasant without the usual motorbike dickheads actually

No, av a Swisskit. (For those of a certain vintage).

I would risk it.

I rode up Winnats yesterday.

Eek 😐

Great that the roads are now clear but what about the cycle paths!

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Errr and the green lanes:

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And some people never made it out alive!
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Hi rogerthecat

Love the avalanche photos from Winnats Pass. Would you mind if we used them on the BBC News website?

Thanks

Gavin Bevis
BBC News (East Midlands)

Gavin - they were taken by Edale Mountain Rescue - I am sure they would be happy - link here for contact, perhaps a mention/credit for them would be good, they do a brilliant job: [url= http://www.edalemrt.co.uk/ ]http://www.edalemrt.co.uk/[/url]

Hi Roger

Thanks for that - I will give them a shout.

Cheers

Gavin

Ace pics, thanks folks.

The images above have come from the Facebook page of [url=

They are hotlinked images and the OP has not copied them and we are not hosting copies of these images.

I've just received an email from the owner of Safariquip that he intends to seek an injunction against us for copyright theft of these images. I have explained that hotlinking is not the same as copying. I have even explained how the appearance of the images above is entirely within his control and he can quite easily make them go away if they are that sensitive. But to no avail - he's still intending to take, not only legal action against us as publisher of this forum but also to bill us for the use of the images.

His first threat came through at 10am on Bank Holiday monday in the form of a veiled legal threat to remove the images 'by noon' - yes! he used the word 'noon' in a sentence outside of a western.

The OP of this thread has done nothing wrong - He's neither copied or passed off the images as his own. We (Singletrack) have similarly done nothing wrong and we will defend both ours and our users rights to be able to reference publicly available material on the internet without having to worry about silly people threatening us with legal action when we do.

*applauds Mark*

[edit] Not wanting to start a flame war but I've also let them know that there's a lot of stw posters who are in their target market and that the threats they've made are likely to backfire in terms of their reputation and sales.

Please feel free to spread the word.

There are some complete morons on the internet and he is obviously one of them.....

And they're not even that good as photos go, nor unique. Complete buffoon.

An open reply to Julian McIntosh

REF: http://singletrackmag.com/forum/topic/avalanche

Hi Julian,

It's clear from your Facebook posts that you really haven't understood what Hotlinking is. It's absolutely NOT copying of images. The images have not been downloaded from your pages and stored elsewhere, a fact that can simply be demonstrated by you removing the images from your Facebook page, as I advised, and watching all the places on the internet where they are displayed simply disappear and be replaced with an error message or a little blue square. If they had been copied as you seem convinced they have been, then you removing them from your Facebook page would have no effect on their appearance elsewhere.

Also, I should point out that the reply that you have posted on your own personal Facebook page is from me. I'm a Director here at Singletrack. That reply was not from one of our team of volunteer moderators.

And for the record, had you not shrouded your original email in the misjudged pretence of a legal threat (Who uses the word 'noon' anyway?) at 10am on a bank holiday, then you would likely have received a much more sympathetic response that may have included such helpful dialogue as, 'If it's simply an issue of credit then why don't we just add a credit and link to the OP's post to clear things up?'.

While we, as a publisher are very sympathetic to the misuse of anyone's images and would never deliberately breach anyone's claim to copyright (we also appreciate that the misuse of hotlinking and copyright is a controversial issue) we are also prepared to stand up against anyone who's opening gambit to any dialogue consists of veiled legal threats against either us or our registered forum users.

And finally, having had hotlinking explained to you several times now and how the control of your own hotlinked images is within your control, why are the images still visible on our forum?

And in case there's any doubt, the above can simply be summed up as - Don't start throwing veiled legal threats and setting deadlines as an opening volley when you could have simply been polite and asked us to look at it. On a Bank holiday FFS!

Cheers
Mark

Heh. Oops.

Should I find myself in the market for "travel accessories" or "adventure gear" I now have a good reason to eliminate one supplier from my list of possibles on the grounds of their being a) greedy muppets and b) mardy sods.

Wow, that avalanch must have been quite awesome to watch.

We (Singletrack) have similarly done nothing wrong and we will defend both ours and our users rights to be able to reference publicly available material on the internet without having to worry about silly people threatening us with legal action when we do.

Really great to hear, this. Good work Mark.

or c) complete moron

Never heard of them but they are definitely on the avoid like the plague list.

It's certainly not always practiced on forums but I think ideally the OP should have credited where he got the photos from in his first post.

I don't see why it should be STW's responsibility though.

love it Mark!

Lordy, it's not as if the original thread wasn't interesting enough without this!
I'd not heard about Safariquip before but I will go out of my way to avoid them now.

FWIW they've also published one of the images via twitter

https://twitter.com/SafariQuip/status/319160362236780544/photo/1

...to all of their 51 followers 😉

If the owner was really that fussed he would have embedded his name / weblink etc in the photo. But as he doesn't seem to know what a hotlink is, I suspect he has no idea how to add text to photos.

I googled for an image. Copied it,sent it to photo bucket and stuck it on here. Is that naughty?

When will this appear on the front page when you google Safariquip Ltd?

I wouldn't Google Safariquip, from all accounts the owner likes to bully internet forums in his spare time, esp MTB ones. Sounds like the sort of place you should avoid at all costs.....

quite quickly if singletrack is in your browser history.

So there'll be a huge number of lurkers on here who get to see this thread if they search for the company name.

Struth, someone there is even giving advice on how to attract customers over the internet:

http://www.webmaster-talk.com/relevant-link-exchange-forum/1099-attracting-new-visitors.html

He fails to mention suing MTB forums, or maybe this is a new strategy!

EDIT can't see what he's moaning about "get people to link to you, build a reputation, and the net is yours for the taking"

He'll soon have a reputation, just might not be the one he wanted....

Which Safariquip do you mean, Safariquip - The Travel Equipment and Adventure Gear shop?

Which Safariquip do you mean, Safariquip - The Travel Equipment and Adventure Gear shop?

I meant the one who threatens to sue MTB forums and doesn't understand what a hotlink is, does that clear it up?

Noon is my most best word. I think I might sue Mark for using it several times in his letter without my permission.

I think you'll find he hot linked the word noon and if you remove permission to read you mind, it will disappear from his letter instantly....

I think you'll find he hot linked the word noon and if you remove permission to read you mind, it will disappear from his letter instantly....

I'm so confused, it is [u]my[/u] word. What are these hotlinks you speak of? I must sue!!!

Sue will be along in a minute and have a go at the lot of you for using her name without permission.

Is she hot, if so I could link with her

Well I posted a hotlink to a picture I took without crediting myself. Should I sue?

I think you should sue STW, everyone else is so best get in with the trend before it goes out of fashion....

To be fair he does now suggest that people should beware what they post on Facebook - that if nothing else is good advice (as this exchange will amply demonstrate I'm sure).

Well I posted a hotlink to a picture I took without crediting myself. Should I sue?

That's funny cos I've just linked a hot picture of you.
But that was on a more "specialist" forum... 😉

grum - Member
It's certainly not always practiced on forums but I think ideally the OP should have credited where he got the photos from in his first post.
I don't see why it should be STW's responsibility though.

There's an irony! They were linked from the Edale MR Facebook page as I mentioned when the TV bloke asked, even said that they were not mine. Never even knew they were owned by a third party, perhaps they should speak to EMR and ask them not to make pics available on a public social media platform.

That's very interesting. Do you have a direct link to their facebook page?

Just seen Marks original reply to Julian on facebook. Good work fella!

Here's the hotlinks from above minus the IMG tags..

It's not clear where they are from. Does anyone know how to decipher facebook image urls?

er, let me Facebook that for you, Mark

(I typed "Edale Mountain Rescue" into the search box on FB)

yes, that I know how to do thanks 🙂

I was trying to pin those specific facebook image tags to an account.
As it happens my good friend Julian has already been over to the Edale MR Facebook page to investigate for himself.

No sign of the images on their page, although it's a moot point anyway as NO ONE HAS DONE ANYTHING WRONG!

🙂

I don't think there is a way to decipher a FB image URL. I'm getting

as the URL for the first one from the SafariQuip FB page, which is presumably the same source as the ones hotlinked on here given the last bit of the URL is the same, though I don't understand why the first bit is different (I've tried and can't get a URL looking like the ones you're giving for a FB image).

Edit: you asked for a direct link to the FB page - I did wonder why that was so difficult! I can confirm that I can't see the images there either.

Just scoured Edale MR FB Page and they are not there, but they most certainly were 'cos that's where I saw them. Or I could not have linked to them. Weird!!

Maybe Julian made Edale take them down upon threat of legal action for legal stuff.

On the SafariQuip photo comment "Copyright Safariquip Ltd - Share, don't copy!" Good job it is being shared, not copied. It seems they haven't read

If they were there it looks like Edale MR didn't know about it - maybe they were linked in a comment or a now deleted post from EMR who have buckled under the might of SafariQuips legal heavyweights...

BBC Derby ?@BBCDerby 31 Mar

@edalemrt Hi. We were told these avalanche pics were yours: http://bit.ly/10mbXic . Do you mind if we use them on the BBC News website?
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@BBCDerby Sorry can't get the pic to open but not aware we have any avalanche pictures.
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Interesting to see who's browsing the STW forum 😉

Luke Burstow
Shame that you've chosen to threaten Singletrackworld with legal action because forum users have been hotlinking.

I for one will be buying nothing from you and I can imagine there's a lot of posters on Europes largest MTB website (and thus a lot of people who enjoy exactly the sort of activities that you seel equipment for) that will feel the same.
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Julian's not going to be happy with [edited]another publication[edited] either...

Edited to make it harder for Julian and his crack team of internet legal experts to track down people who are actually doing what he incorrectly accused rogerthecat of doing. If some unemployed bike riding numpty can find it then I'm sure his top team will be onto them in no time.

Now that is copying...

from the comments;

[i]this article was on Buxton Mountain Rescue Team's website on Saturday, with the same photo....[/i]

All I can find from [url= http://www.buxtonmountainrescue.org.uk/ ]Buxton MRT[/url] is a link to this thread on their Twitter feed posted on the 30th...

https://twitter.com/BxtnMRT/status/317944166229364736

Looks like Glossop MRT have some pix that are strikingly similar to 'old Julies.

I have some good friends in Edale MRT if the mods want to find out from them.

I'm sure there are many varied and esoteric arguments to be derived from this, but I'm having trouble getting past 'Some snow slid down a hill, Look!'

Well, I just googled my name and it led me to this page, where I find multiple uses of my name without my permission!!!

Oh, and I also find that apparently I might be a 'hot link' 🙂 🙂

Sue

I use noon a lot 🙁

I was scratching my head wondering who SafariQuip were, since it sounded so familiar. They're the outdoor shop in Castleton that i bought some batteries from on Saturday. Must have been a quiet Bank Holiday Monday in the shop to want to stir up trouble