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[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-surrey-18841395 ]People who drive like idiots are often nasty idiots...[/url]
One to remember when you're riding 😯
The offender was described as a white man, possibly with tanned skin, aged in his late 20s to early 30s, and between 5ft 10in and 6ft 2in tall.
I'm a person like that 🙁
Turn yourself in, yeti, and we can all get on with our lives
(Except you of course - you'll go dahn for this. Attacking someone who's not a cyclist. What were you thinking ?)
(how do we know the car was travelling at excess speed ?)
Do they have internet in gaol?
no, but you'll be off your face on crack so time'll fly by
I'm concerned I'll have my face in someone else's crack and I'm not down with that.
Ive had a threat to kill after someone overtook me at 60 over the brow of a hill, and I had the temerity to object.
Not that I'm defending the attack, wholly unacceptable in any case, but a couple of points made me go "huh?" here:
he gestured for a motorist to stop in Kings Road
So he's marched out into the middle of the road with his hand in the air in order to stop traffic, because his passage is far more important than anyone else's?
the vehicle, which had been travelling at excess speed,
... and he also happened to be carrying a speed gun?
So he's marched out into the middle of the road with his hand in the air in order to stop traffic, because his passage is far more important than anyone else's?
Hard to tell from the story. It could also have been: started crossing the road with his young child when no traffic was in sight. Car comes speeding round the corner. Getting a fright and worried for his child he waves for them to slow down.
A nasty man sais something nasty to me once, I wasn't offended and thought he was pretty silly for doing it. Be safe out there children there are some small minded silly people out there kiddies. (The adult version contains sweary words).
I hope the dude is OK.
knowing the area could well be similar to what Graham s said. Kings Road is a rat run to one of the main roads out of Guildford town centre with a nsty blind bend on it. The road would have been busy at that time anyway due to usual shopping traffic, made worse by loads of pedestrians going to and from Guilfest from town.
Irrespective of that, sounds like a pretty nasty *largely* unprovoked attack for a fairly minor reason. Another report says he asked the car to stop so his wife could get a pushchair across, and he is now in a critical condition in a London specialist head injuries hospital.
Hopefully the wife or someone else got a numberplate and car decription and the attacker can be found swiftly.
... and he also happened to be carrying a speed gun?
I love this quote and seem to hear it quite often nowadays.
Granted that most people couldn't state mph accurately, I reckon most folk of reasonable IQ may be able to notice when a car is travelling at a significantly higher speed than normal.
As an example my neighbour was hit coming out of her drive a few months back. Car that hit her was described by numerous witnesses as travelling at excessive speed (given he overtook some of them you'd think they would have some idea). He then went on to jump the red light (and the car in front of him who had already stopped for the light) near her house and hit her as she moved out.
Him and his insurance company were quick to point out that a) none of the witnesses were carrying speedguns and b) as regards the RLJ it was his word against that of the lone witness.
Police not particularly interested and did no investigation at the scene as they 'needed to get traffic flowing as soon as possible'.
Up shot is that he is claiming for his car and whiplash on her insurance and she will lose her full NCB.
Just do what I used to do- make to suddenly run out into the road. Not big or clever mind but it concentrates the reckless idiots mind suddenly. I've grown up now 🙂
... and he also happened to be carrying a speed gun?
Him and his insurance company were quick to point out that a) none of the witnesses were carrying speedguns
That's suggesting that one needs to know the exact speed of a car to know it's travelling at excessive speed which isn't true.
Also, to my mind at least, the phrase "excessive speed" doesn't mean they were necessarily over the posted limit, just too fast for conditions - which is subjective and doesn't require a speed gun.
Very often we get told in accidents of how the car was breaking the speed limit by the other party or witnesses. How they all agree they were speeding, when the reports come back more than often they were below the speed limit and it's people's perception that there was an accident so they must have been speeding. That's why the insurance companies ask for proof.
Fair enough Drac, but if their speed was a contributory cause of the accident then you could argue that it was "excessive", even if it was legal.
i.e. if all other traffic is only doing 20 then it's probably for a good reason. If someone cuts through at 40 in a 40 limit then bins it into another car then their speed relative to the other traffic should be considered.
if their speed was a contributory cause of the accident then you could argue that it was "excessive", even if it was legal.
If not then it's isn't, we can do ifs all day. There are many causes to accidents, speed is one of them and a one the media love to use. There's a small campaign trying to start up here to get one of the few stretches of dual we have reduced to 50mph as there's been some accidents at a couple of junctions. They'd better sorting the junctions out and stop people pulling out in front of cars, just always seems the easy option to blanket a speed limit.
Edit: This is what we had to keep quoting when doing our blue light driving training. It reflects well what you mean.
Quiet efficiency is the hallmark of the expert. Although alert they give the impression of being completely relaxed. They drive in a calm, controlled style without fuss or flourish, progressing smoothly and unobtrusively. They will always be in the right place on the road, travelling at the right speed with the right gear engaged and they achieve this desirable state by concentrating all the time, planning ahead and driving systematically”.
As ever it seems the STW driving experts have focussed on a side issue the accurate estimation (or otherwise) of "excessive" speed for a motor vehicle. And sort of missed the main point which is of course some road rage nutter having hospitalised a stranger for daring to object to his (and/or his associates) driving...
Too many nutters about these days ready to get disproportionate about anything.
Hope the fella gets well soon and its not upset his family too much.
And the rozzers catch the scumbag too...
And sort of missed the main point which is of course some road rage nutter having hospitalised a stranger for daring to object to his (and/or his associates) driving...
No, you're right, innit awful, we're all going to hell in a handbasket, look at how upset I am about it etc etc...
I'm just saying in this particular instance speed really isn't the issue.
People headbutting strangers is.
But lets not worry about that when theres a nice circular argument about how fast cars should be driven on the cards...
speed is always an issue as only moving objects collide.
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What "accident"?
I read an article about an assault carried out by someone who had been riding in a car....
Not that I'm defending the attack, wholly unacceptable in any case, but a couple of points made me go "huh?" here:[i]he gestured for a motorist to stop in Kings Road[/i]
So he's marched out into the middle of the road with his hand in the air in order to stop traffic, because his passage is far more important than anyone else's?
[i]the vehicle, which had been travelling at excess speed,[/i]
... and he also happened to be carrying a speed gun?
Yeah, what a low life. Pity they didn't kill him, his wife and child.
Surrey Police have asked for the driver to come forward, along with four or five male passengers who were also travelling in the vehicle.
Yeah, good luck with that, hows about the police do their job and go find the useless bumwipes rather than putting out some pathetic appeal. The bloke was speeding and his mate assaulted someone so obviously they'll hand there selves in if the police ask nicely. I cannot believe the idiocy of some of the people who are meant to protect us.
Yeah, good luck with that, hows about the police do their job and go find the useless bumwipes rather than putting out some pathetic appeal. The bloke was speeding and his mate assaulted someone so obviously they'll hand there selves in if the police ask nicely. I cannot believe the idiocy of some of the people who are meant to protect us.
They wil be looking for him too, they do these appeals to give the person a chance to do the decent thing. Almost like an amnesty for handing in guns.
Surrey Police have asked for the driver to come forward, along with four or five male passengers who were also travelling in the vehicle.
Doesn't this mean that plod have a good idea who it is and that it'd be better to hand themselves in?
If he doesn't fess up, or his mates don't do the decent thing, then I'd hope they all get done for accessory to ABH or whatever else could be thrown at them.
Doesn't this mean that plod have a good idea who it is and that it'd be better to hand themselves in?
If that is the case the police should go get the guy if they've a good idea of who he is, he had the oppurtunity to stop and convene with the police when his pal decided to 'butt someone in the middle of the road, why dint he just hang around till the police came then? Surely that would have been better.
why would Police ask someone to come in when they can go round and get them?
why would Police ask someone to come in when they can go round and get them?
Maybe they're hiding? Some of these crims are damned clever [s]buggers[/s] fellows.
Maybe they're still gathering evidence to who it was.
Maybe they're full of folk just there for a pay day and not people who want to catch criminals and do something to help society. Unless its on a plate for em they aren't bothered.
These are generalisations and no doubt bear no resemblance to how the police work, i'm just not their biggest fan at the minute so venting my spleen here.