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I wonder why? Perhaps they want to be seen to be co-operative without actually being so.
Maybe but its certainly not in Tesla's interests for the legacy manufacturers to move too quickly to BEVs because selling them carbon credits is Tesla's biggest profit centre making Tesla billions
Tesla could easily fit contactless option for non Tesla uses but they choose not to. Other manufacturers have got together to setup up networks, Tesla haven’t.
Other manufacturers have got together to setup up networks, Tesla haven’t.
Tesla got their shit together early and realised that you don't sell cars without infrastructure in place.
Yet another area where the big manufacturers are having to play catch up. - and their solution to "setting up" a network as you put it mostly seems to be buying other people's infrastructure either by license or purchasing the company lockstock
I wouldn’t be buying one because they are actively trying to stop people repairing their own cars
Of course, nobody apart from Tesla can fix them.
Oh wait...
And what’s this, someone actually set up a business doing Tesla and EV repairs?
https://youtube.com/c/ElectrifiedGarage
Maybe in the UK as well?
https://www.cleevelyev.co.uk/electric-vehicle-servicing/
I love how in typical STW fashion this thread has gone well away from the original topic to be a thread about electric car charging.
On the original topic, I'm with Terry Smith -
‘Even if they are electric vehicles, they are still cars and the car industry in general isn’t one we ever have or ever would invest in.’
The whole auto industry is a car crash at the moment (see what I did there), no-one knows who'll succeed (probably the Chinese and S Koreans), and any bet on Tesla is just that, a bet, even though on the actual car front their technology lead means they are managing to sell cars designed for the US market in Europe (large expensive 4 door saloons with interiors you'd think were poor in a 1970s Datsun - would you buy that if it had a petrol engine?) which is quite some achievement. And the value in their other energy technology is definitely not worth the current share valuation.
In answer to the orignal question. I don't like the shares at any price but the cars I like at 15% below the current price.
So, whilst give the car a bit of a polish I thought I’d play with the sat nav, seems the e-Tron does give you the status of chargers including price. However, it is a bit iffy as it doesn’t show some chargers and not always able to report on the status. I’ll get the software updated once things open up a bit more.
Would I buy shares in Tesla? No, I think that’s a missed opportunity but I’d look at the battery companies who are planning production, there’s one in Blyth going through the final stages of planning.
Plus America they love them as you know it’s American.
Is that why it’s very difficult to buy a Tesla in many states, because they sell direct through their own dealers, rather than through franchises, and they’ve been stopped from opening dealerships?
Tesla could easily fit contactless option for non Tesla uses but they choose not to.
Even tho I have absolutely no idea (and I suspect neither do you) about the detail of tesla charger hardware and software (I use them. I have a Tesla), this just reads like absolute made up b0llx to me. Easily retro fitting contactless payment to what? thousands, tens of thousands of chargers worldwide. LOL
Is that why it’s very difficult to buy a Tesla in many states, because they sell direct through their own dealers, rather than through franchises, and they’ve been stopped from opening dealerships?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is that many states require you to sell through dealerships, but Tesla doesn't want to do that, they just want to sell online because it's cheaper. So the problem is that Tesla want to ignore the existing regulations that other companies are complying with.
yep sounds good to me, kick out the old boys club circle jerk. It will be interesting to see what happens.
Interesting to see that TSLA is back up 19% today. To be fair they may be riding a general wave of tech increases. My watch list is a sea of green today.
Easily retro fitting contactless payment to what? thousands, tens of thousands of chargers worldwide. LOL
Well yes, funnily enough others have managed it. Ok let’s say this task adding a RFID reader is way too much for one the electric car pioneers you’d think they could do it as they build new ones and upgrade old ones to higher output, no they’ve still not done it.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but my understanding is that many states require you to sell through dealerships, but Tesla doesn’t want to do that, they just want to sell online because it’s cheaper.
Yes that's the case. The law was brought in to protect car dealerships from the predatory practices of the auto manufacturers back in the 1920s. What would happen is that someone would set up a car dealership and Ford, say, would agree to supply them with cars. If its was a popular site and the dealership was successful then Ford would open up a dealership often across the road from them, undercut them on price and restrict their supply forcing them out of business so the law was introduced forcing the auto makers to sell through franchised dealerships. The situation with Tesla is a bit different because they don't want to open their own dealerships but the law is now being used to protect the legacy auto makers it was set up to control.
Well yes, funnily enough others have managed it. Ok let’s say this task adding a RFID reader is way too much for one the electric car pioneers you’d think they could do it as they build new ones and upgrade old ones to higher output, no they’ve still not done it.
TBF. .... Why should they . The others want access.... Tesla don't particularly want your business or hell if you don't own a Tesla even care about your opinion.
Interesting to see that TSLA is back up 19% today.
Yeah, bit of a shame, I was waiting for them to fall a bit further before buying - doh!
TBF. …. Why should they . The others want access…. Tesla don’t particularly want your business or hell if you don’t own a Tesla even care about your opinion.
Of course they have no obligation to but for such a pioneer let’s save the planet company it would good for them to allow non Tesla drivers to pay for using them. It would maybe allow them to go back to providing free charging for all Tesla owners.
On the charger contactless issue. It’s more about the software integration as the hardware. Your Tesla tells you when it’s charged at a Supercharger and you have to collect it so that you don’t block the chargers for other people. There is a pretty stiff penalty overstay fee.
If any other cars were allowed to use the chargers they would need to have decent comms software that worked with the Tesla network.
I need to see some more of the new EVs out there but prepandemic there was nothing comparable to Tesla in terms of software or over the air upgrades.
I would buy but I think the whole tech stock thing is overheated and they track that.
I could see Tesla doing a deal with a third party whereby the third party do it the Tesla way i.e. plug and charge and the charger reads your car API and its all done electronically (no messing around with card readers). But whilst they're manufacturing cars I don't really see Tesla retro fitting to accommodate everyone else at the risk of shooting themselves in the foot, on the 2 occasions I used the Leeds chargers, they were full.
I don't pretend to know much about Tesla's plans, but I can't help but think they're going to struggle. As someone else said they've just made a profit for the first time, but they're deeply indebted and their value seems to be based on expectation of future greatness.
The motoring press, who in fairness, don't really represent car buyers anymore, are resistant to change and largely dislike Tesla have usually said that Tesla won't be able to grow quick enough to compete with the sort of economies of scale the established brands will have when they shift to EVs, they were more likely to survive by owning a lot of IP / Patents that other makers will license from them, but it doesn't seem to have gone that way.
I've been looking at an EV for my next car, I'm only window shopping, but I'm on the mailing list for the new Skoda Enyaq, there's a load of different models, with different trim and batteries, but their top of the range, large battery, top spec model is a few grand short of where the Tesla 3 starts, they offer a PCP package that's £200 a month less and it's got more range and toys than the standard Tesla. Of course being Skoda by the time they're a few months old and you speak to a dealer, you'll end up paying a lot less and they'll take my Superb in part-ex as well.
Now, the Skoda won't do 0-60 in 2s or whatever, it will largely have performance stats akin to their Petrol and Diesel models, but as above the likes of Topgear and Evo don't really represent car buyers anymore, the market for performance cars is tiny and shrinking.
Being a VW product, if I don't like the Skoda there will be a VW version, a Seat version plus fancier ones from Porsche and Audi. VW will likely offer 10 different cars that cover the same market as the 3 and the X within a year or two, plus Porsche and Bentley will have models that will cover the S and that's just VW.
I think the rate of change over the next few years will be incredible, yes Tesla has their Supercharger network, but if they stay the size they are and Ford, VW, Toyota, Mercedes etc etc etc etc start selling more EVs then their will be enough of a market to create what was always going to be - charging stations owned and operated independent of car makers, when anyone with any EV can charge their car at faster and faster rates.