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At last he can go through a judicial process.
How did they get him ?
Did he pop out for a smoke?
For a leak.
How did they get him ?
Ecuador withdrew his diplomatic immunity and invited the Met in to arrest him.
Tweet from Ecuadorian president:
In a sovereign decision Ecuador withdrew the asylum status to Julian Assange after his repeated violations to international conventions and daily-life protocols.
https://twitter.com/Lenin/status/1116271659512684544
Damn why didn't I think of that Wally
I'll bet the ecudarorians can't wait to be rid of him, I'll bet his room needs a good airing!
Violation of life-style protocols? 🤢
Double caps and exclamation mark wins over "Assange Arrested" one post wonder. That's what I've learned.
Has Trump tweeted yet?
Soon to be seen styling an orange jumpsuit, I imagine.
At last he can go through a judicial process.
Which one? I thought Swedish charges had lapsed, so it's extradition hearing for the US which involves the death penalty so long drawn out case, Australia just called an election so ministerial support from there just got interesting
From my now closed duplicate thread...
Makes you think, etc…
Here’s hoping they can finally clear away all that mess round the back of the Corner Shop now at least!
Bravo Wally.
Which one?
Jumping UK bail for a start, I guess?
Maybe he'll just be set free and wonder what he's spent 7 years evading. I think, for me, that would be the best solution - 'man lives in cupboard for 21000+days for no reason at all'.
point is he'll have been through a court and legal process.
Swedish charges are all dropped.
the only thing he can be charged with is breach of bail in the UK. gonna be some interesting legal arguments over that.
convention says he cannot be extradited to the US a) because what the US want to charge him with is not necessarily a crime here and B) because of the potential death penalty
I am sure the americans will try tho
Whats happening to the cat?
so it’s extradition hearing for the US which involves the death penalty so long drawn out case
Well there is the jumping bail to answer for in the UK. As for the US. Time to see if there are any facts behind the claims. Although what would the death penalty apply for?
just seen a pic.
Blimey he's not aged well has he?
Blimey he’s not aged well has he?
He had white or very fiar hair already, the unkempt beard and facial expression make him look a lot worse.
7 years ago:
Lawyer for his alleged victim:
The statue of limitations for the rape allegation against Assange expire in August 2020. Until then we will continue to fight for Assange to be extradited to Sweden and prosecuted for rape.
Although what would the death penalty apply for?
The leaks surrounding the Chelsea Manning case were the ones charges were severe enough to have it on the table, though the BBC has confirmed the only open charges are jumping bail which is what he is being processed for.
Will be interesting to see how his involvement in the Clinton/Democrats email release plays out
When were the Swedish charges dropped?
He will be charged in the UK with breaking bail. Hopefully he will be deported back to his homeland (Oz) where the US are more than happy to try to get him. I suspect that he will not be allowed into any other countries and airlines will be reluctant to transport him.
Ironically enough had he faced a rape trial in Sweden and be convicted he would have had far better conditions to live in and would have already been out. The US would have been unable to get at him in Sweden - since what the US have accused him is not a crime in Sweden (like the UK) and it has the potential of the death penalty hence they would have refused to send him (like the UK).
Too much of this has Assange believing in his own myth.
daily-life protocols.
used the communal butter one too many times and never bought one himself. Be warned students, if you don't play fair this could happen to you.
Blimey he’s not aged well has he?
That there is a walking talking advert to get out more - he is only 47!
Police officer’s expression says a 1000 words.
I loved him in Iron Man 3
My god! That beard is awful. I’d be ashamed to be arrested / extradited with that.
tjagain
Member
Swedish charges are all dropped.
only suspended apparently
https://twitter.com/davidallengreen/status/1116283406378205184
He looks like the hermit from Life of Brian.
the only thing he can be charged with is breach of bail in the UK
The US can charge people, but keep the charges secret until after they are arrested (and then close the court hearings and keep all the evidence secret too).
Damn.
The US can charge people, but keep the charges secret until after they are arrested (and then close the court hearings and keep all the evidence secret too).
But to physically charge him they will need him extradited. I'd be happy to see him face the crimes in Sweden but a trip to the US is a bit too much. The process there is now highly political - I would love to see any emails he has from Trump's friends though 😉
He's been further arrested on a US extradition warrant as well as breach of bail now.
So does that mean his life is in the hands of this bloke?
Of so, I predict a massive backdown and some underhand “special relationship” drinks parties on Expenses (obvz)
7 years in a room and in the end you've achieved nothing? Its like most males adolescence.
I bet he's really good at Call of Duty are there are loads of crusty socks under his bed
I reckon that beard was part of a disappearance plan/disguise. Die that and his hair a dark shade and sneak out at night, (because IIRC the 5-0 stopped having a 24 hour watch on the place some years ago) just didn't do it soon enough.
Perhaps he was looking to make a run for it at Christmas in a red suit, but missed his moment?
there are loads of crusty socks under his bed
the Ecuadorian embassy just put a listing for these up on Ebay - 'found in storage cupboard, spares or repair':
the 5-0
U iZ well street, blud. Innit.
bikebouy
Subscriber
So does that mean his life is in the hands of this bloke?Of so, I predict a massive backdown and some underhand “special relationship” drinks parties on Expenses (obvz)
agreed, javid isnt too bothered about the rule of law (see begham case) when theres some political capital to be made
if hes being extradicted for simply publishing the leaks that is a very dangerous precednt to set
if the americans have more than that on him, then fair enough
Blimey he’s not aged well has he?
7 years on a turbo can do that. Just don't let him near a bike
There's an angle in the whole wikileaks saga that I'm surprised no one has investigated...
The role of Sweden's Foreign Minister Carl Bildt
and his time in Bosnia with Christopher Geidt, who went on to become Private Secretary to the head of state of 4 of the 5 Eyes countries...
Makes you think !!
Looks like he left Wilson behind
Wiiiilsonnnnn!!!
There’s an angle in the whole wikileaks saga that I’m surprised no one has investigated
I'd be surprised if there wasn't an angle you were surprised hadn't been investigated.
JUST IN: Julian Assange found guilty of skipping bail by UK judge. He will be sentenced in Crown Court, where the maximum sentence is 12 months
That woman is tiny. Wonder what she’s won 🧐
JUST IN: Julian Assange found guilty of skipping bail by UK judge. He will be sentenced in Crown Court, where the maximum sentence is 12 months
And is let off off due to self imposed prison sentence 🤷♂️
Ecuador serving revenge up cold - I really don't think Trump wants Assange getting extradited for a chat with the FBI.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/07/donald-trump-breastfeeding-tariffs
US conspiracy charge is very narrowly drawn.
I doubt UK gov will do much to block any extradition application.
Will Trump attempt to interfere in any possible extradition? 'I love wikileaks' was his mantra throughout 2016. Today? Wikileaks - don't know much about it.
Is Seumas Milne still boffing Assange's lawyer?
Wait, Seumas Milne is having his evil way with Geoffrey Robertson, who was recently acting on behalf (and what acting!) of another fair haired defendant?
https://twitter.com/ciabaudo/status/1103102580136312832
Maybe they can ask him about this little meeting. One of many that Nigel has conveniently not remembered... (along with other easy-to-forget things like who is paying for your private jets).
Glad it’s not just me that remembers that crazy-legs - thanks for posting the link.
Makes me think WTF is Corbyn thinking asking ministers to oppose extradition, hmmm...another example of Corbyn dancing to Vlads tune.
Makes me think WTF is Corbyn thinking asking ministers to oppose extradition, hmmm…another example of Corbyn dancing to Vlads tune.
Because it's not that straight forward? The US charges are politically motivated after they stupidly put a huge amount of classified and embarrassing material within reach of a huge number of people.
The current charge is that he helped/encouraged Manning to try and crack a password to unlock some files - it's not actually related to the massive dump of info.
Happy to have him deported to Oz, sending him to the US no matter how much of a fairly nasty narcissist he is would be a bad move. It would show the UK just does whatever the US wants in these matters.
Off to the US with him.
Happy to have him deported to Oz, sending him to the US no matter how much of a fairly nasty narcissist he is would be a bad move. It would show the UK just does whatever the US wants in these matters.
And of course deporting him to the US would prove him right.
Personally I am not sure what kind of person he is, or at least was, but a massive successful propaganda effort has definitely affected peoples view of him. The Farage/Trump links came after the establishment had turned the weight of propaganda against him, and he had already been holed up for years, desperate situations can create regrettable mistakes.
If he gets deported then the message is, expose the crimes of Governments and you will pay. The UK has already been compliant in this goal when raiding the Guardian a few years ago trying to seize the Snowdon leaked info.
Makes me think WTF is Corbyn thinking asking ministers to oppose extradition, hmmm…another example of Corbyn dancing to Vlads tune
Perhaps but only indirectly here
If all the Americans have is that he published stuff they didn't want in the open then they can do one.
Assange is a turd, he's been doing Putin's dirty work, would love to see his involvement with farage investigated & he should face any charges coming if the Swedes reopen his case
BUT
Extradition for publishing leaked/hacked information is an attack on free press and we should not be facilitating that
And of course deporting him to the US would prove him right.
It won't do that, and we won't be doing this:
Extradition for publishing leaked/hacked information is an attack on free press and we should not be facilitating that
Because the yanks are well aware of that danger. What they'll do is get him on relatively minor stuff that isn't directly related to journalism of freedom of speech.
That way there will be no controversy and Assange's claim that he'd serve a long sentence will be proved wrong.
Essentially he'll serve a shortish sentence in the US but when you add the 7 years he's been him hiding plus the months he'll spend in uk prison for ducking bail plus any time he spends in prison in Sweden for the rape charges will add up to the best part of 20 years. That plus the credibility loss will be more than enough punishment with little controversy or political fallout.
The last thing the USA want to do is give Assange credibility as a freedom of speech martyr or to prove anything he's said about his likely fat to be correct and they don't need to.
Because the yanks are well aware of that danger. What they’ll do is get him on relatively minor stuff that isn’t directly related to journalism of freedom of speech.
No need to speculate they have released the charge and it's been widely discussed.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-04-12/what-next-for-julian-assange-the-conversation/10999130
It raises questions over the uneven extradition agreement between the UK and US at the moment which is something that needs fixed ASAP.
As mentioned he can fight extradition to both the US and Sweeden, he can be easily deported to Aus. That options seems like the best one for the UK at the moment.
Makes me think WTF is Corbyn thinking asking ministers to oppose extradition, hmmm…another example of Corbyn dancing to Vlads tune.
Then there's Diane Abbot on the radio this morning trivialising the rape allegations. She has a point but voters find rape deeply uncool, it doesn't play well. All she had to do was to condemn the rape *if found to be true* and object to extradition, *if* that extradition is for anything 'freedom of speechy'.
They come across as nutters defending a petty criminal and alleged rapist and I don't think it's accidental. They don't want to win because then they'd be the people in the hot seat making the unpopular decisions that they've been complaining about for 30 years.
LOL @ Nico’s excellent photo comparison .
Are You Being Served (a subpoena )
Personally I am not sure what kind of person he is
If Pamela Anderson thinks that he is OK, then that's good enough for me 🙂
If he could have got the support of Yasmine Bleeth as well, that would have been a slam dunk...
What they’ll do is get him on relatively minor stuff that isn’t directly related to journalism of freedom of speech.
They are trying to get him on conspiring with Manning to hack,
The discussions also reflect Assange actively encouraging Manning to provide more information. During an exchange, Manning told Assange that “after this upload, that’s all I really have got left.” To which Assange replied,
“curious eyes never run dry in my experience.”
https://www.justice.gov/usao-edva/pr/wikileaks-founder-charged-computer-hacking-conspiracy
IANAL but that seems tenuous as fk!
As mentioned he can fight extradition to both the US and Sweeden, he can be easily deported to Aus. That options seems like the best one for the UK at the moment.
Speedy deportation to Oz would have been my favoured choice *but* I don't think he can reasonably avoid jail time in the uk for skipping bail. He must serve some time for that which means we'll end up having a extradite him.
They are trying to get him on conspiring with Manning to hack
Yup.
IANAL but that seems tenuous as fk!
That's the other possibility, maybe there is just nothing they can legally and politically get him for. The leaks themselves are too politically difficult to prosecute for and he's done nothing else illegal.
I think the US will still be fairly happy. 7 years in a room plus total loss of credibility, plus jail time in the UK, plus maybe jail time in Sweden for a crime the public have no sympathy for is plenty. The US has won and they won't do anything to turn Assange into a Martyr with credibility.
Then there’s Diane Abbot on the radio this morning trivialising the rape allegations.
She did say that if sweden bring charges he should face them though, did she not?
generally she made humphries look cpmpetent tho, which is impressive
and as the victims lawyer has requested that it be reopened it seems likely they will
I think assange is already a martyr, conspiracy theorists love him, his alleged victims coming in for some horrible abuse on social media, any extradition to america will prove him right
Transcript from outside the Embassy
Mister, you just assured me that I could speak. Look, i'm under what? Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest. Have a look at the headlock here, see that chap over there? he- GET YOUR HAND OFF MY PENIS! This is the bloke who got me on the penis people. Why did you do this to me, for what reason, what is the charge? eating a meal? a succulent Chinese meal. Oh, that's a nice headlock sir, oh, ah yes, I see that you know your judo well. Good one. And you sir, are you waiting to receive my limp penis? How dare - get your hands off me! Ta-ta, and farewell.
Assange is a turd, he’s been doing Putin’s dirty work, would love to see his involvement with farage investigated & he should face any charges coming if the Swedes reopen his case
He's always been an obnoxious narcissist but nevertheless WikiLeaks (which was not originally the Assange vanity project it later became) was instrumental in dragging some very dubious behaviour by Western governments into the open. It's notable however that so little was done to expose the more nefarious goings on of Russia. And also that the GOP has somehow been spared the attention given to the Democratic Party.
I'm not a fan of Assange but it's a bit tenuous the US going after him based on him providing a file dumping ground and saying that directly assisted with the exfil of classified data.
A nation state hack would exfil data via compromised 3rd party external systems to make it difficult to trace but a whistle-blower would likely not have that mechanism at their disposal. There's a grey area when leaking that data really is in the wider public good that an anonymous way to exfil data (e.g. via a wikileaks provided dump location) is needed - although I'm not saying what was leaked was warranted in this case...
@Kimbers which certainly proves that this case should be treated as the separate cases that it is and not trying to punish one offence with the other trial.
The UK has to consider requests from the US and if Sweden ask them too.
These need to be considered for what they are and which is more important.
WikiLeaks (which was not originally the Assange vanity project it later became) was instrumental in dragging some very dubious behaviour by Western governments into the open.
And in its totally scattergun aproach to doing so, exposed sources who's lives were then put at risk. Not that he gave a shit about that.
Plenty of investigative journalists manage to expose dodgy government behavior without potentially getting people killed in the process. Investigative journalists have been jailed for refusing to expose their sources, Assange as good as published their names, left them to be hung out to dry, then moved on to his next act of self-promotion
, exposed sources who’s lives were then put at risk. Not that he gave a shit about that.
https://twitter.com/michaeldweiss/status/1116410686630875136?s=19
Regardless of what you think of Assange, the footage of USA military joyfully murdering civilians and journalists had to be exposed.
And as always with whistleblowers a massive negative PR campaign was launched. It's certainly been successful.
It is always a crime to turn over the unsavoury rock that a government hides its misdeeds under. He should not be extradited to the USA for that IMO.
The Swedish allegations are another issue. I'm not familiar with the detail - is it the same as here?
Regardless of what you think of Assange, the footage of USA military joyfully murdering civilians and journalists had to be exposed.
Despite the way that was done leading to people being killed? If you're a journalist then you have a responsibility to protect your sources. The slapdash manner of what Assange did - just throwing everything into the public domain, unedited - put peoples lives at risk. Something that by all accounts he couldn't care less about
Nice to see Corbyn and Dianne Abbot continue their puerile, sixth form level of political debate by ignoring the blood he has on his hands and rushing to defend him.
He's exposed the American government, therefore he's the good guy, right? Well... no. Its a bit more complicated and nuanced than that.
I think assange is already a martyr,
On this we will just have to disagree. I think he was, and then going into hiding over the rape allegations made him look really dodge is most people's eyes.
conspiracy theorists love him, his alleged victims coming in for some horrible abuse on social media,
No of this does him any credit at all and certainly doesn't support a any kind of martyr status.
any extradition to america will prove him right
IMHO it depends what it's for. As I say the USA will be picking charges carefully to avoid charges that will gain him public support.
IMHO it depends what it’s for. As I say the USA will be picking charges carefully to avoid charges that will gain him public support.
and as I said the charge has been picked already...