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Can anyone explain what the basis for the arrest is?
I can understand that the US government have the right to arrest one of your own nationals for breaking sanctions you have imposed but I can’t understand how they can arrest a foreign national when the sanctions haven’t been agreed by their country. Surely the more appropriate action would be to sanction sales of Huawei goods in the US.
What am I missing?
And worldwide this morning a number of major mobile phone providers experience massive outages.
Running on Huawei kit?
"Makes you think"
If said CFO is alleged to be actively conspiring with others within the US to subvert sanctions, then I'm sure that would be covered by some part of the US criminal code, regardless of the nationality of the person involved. What has changed is that the lady concerned has stepped into a jurisdiction which has an extradition agreement with the US.
And worldwide this morning a number of major mobile phone providers experience massive outages.
And Huawei tech is stripped out of UK telecoms architecture...
My lad has one of their phones. I'm sure the Chinese security services are fascinated by all the youtubers he's been following.
The daughter of the founder of the Chinese telecoms giant was arrested in Vancouver on 1 December and could face extradition to the US.
Details of the arrest have not been released but the US has been investigating Huawei over possible violation of sanctions against Iran.
It really is about time the world stood up to American bullying. And to think the idiotic brexiters think they will be our saviors, the EU will seem like a gentle and caring lover once the states start to rape us.
I'd be shitting myself if I was a US / Canadian megacorp exec in China right now. Assuming they weren't all instructed to foxtrot-oscar sharpish earlier this week...
USA law is one of the few that claims to cover the whole world. Most countries the law stops at the border!
The thing is, most of the EU falls afoul of the US sanctions as they're not in line with the EU ones so if you're a senior staff member of any big company that has significant trade with Iran you'd have to be worried.
That said, it's obviously about the trade war not about Iran.
Apparently her arrest is a “violation of her human rights” according to China. How have they the gall to say that?
USA law is one of the few that claims to cover the whole world. Most countries the law stops at the border!
Err, does it? Or do you mean that they apply their regulations to manufacturers/products from other countries if they are destined for the US market? If it's the latter, then you'll find lots other countries/blocs do the same!
Apparently her arrest is a “human rights abuse” according to China. How have they the gall to say that?
Because, Gitmo? Or have we forgotten that already?
How often does China nab white western execs and have them extradited? Chinas quite good at only treating what it sees as lesser people, like shit. Just like the states.
Err, does it? Or do you mean that they apply their regulations to manufacturers/products from other countries if they are destined for the US market? If it’s the latter, then you’ll find lots other countries/blocs do the same!
No I mean they mean really do expect people of the world to obey USA law! Crazy as that concept is!
The accusation is that Meng’s company sold HP products to Iran, which violated US sanctions. It’s beyond the scope of discussion whether or not arresting a foreign individual according to US sanction is justifiable. But compared to the treatment ZTE got earlier, this arrest most definitely has ulterior motive than just sanction violation
So it's not about violating regulations destined for the US market. The HP products were printers LOL!
The yanks will use this against any European company selling to Iran as well.
USA law is one of the few that claims to cover the whole world. Most countries the law stops at the border!
IANAL but I'm fairly sure you can be prosecuted in the UK for offences committed abroad - bribery and corruption and kiddie fiddling rings a bell from news reports?
That usually applies to British residents or nationals.
How often does China nab white western execs and have them extradited? Chinas quite good at only treating what it sees as lesser people, like shit. Just like the states.
China kidnapped and has now 'vanished' (I heard executed but it seems unlikely) the head of Interpol very recently. It has also kidnapped several people from Hong Kong and within the last year nabbed a Swedish citizen *who was being accompanied by Swedish security services* while they were travelling across China. Oh, and it has locked up for 're-education' more than a million people whose only crime is to be Muslim.
So, uh, yeah.
China kidnapped and has now ‘vanished’
A Chinese national.
It has also kidnapped several people from Hong Kong
Chinese nationals.
Oh, and it has locked up for ‘re-education’ more than a million people whose only crime is to be Muslim.
It's better than bombing them for the crime of being Muslim though? Yes?
Swedish citizen *who was being accompanied by Swedish security services*
A Swedish bookseller who gave up his Chinese nationality. It's still not like going and disappearing Bill Gates is it, in terms of realpolitik who gives a damn about Sweden? China views the Americans as equals, not the Swedish. So this is an escalation on the Americans part, arresting yank officials and execs was off limits before - it won't be now.
If said CFO is alleged to be actively <span style="text-decoration: underline;">conspiring with others within the US to subvert sanctions</span>, then I’m sure that would be covered by some part of the US criminal code, regardless of the nationality of the person involved.
If that’s the case I get it but as far as I could see it was for selling there products to Iran. Unless their products include US made components I can’t see the jurisdiction
in terms of realpolitik who gives a damn about Sweden?
The Swedes? The EU?
The EU?
They haven't made that much fuss about it, because China has more economic power than the EU and the EU views China as an important market and investor.
It really is quite simple, China will have kept the gloves on with the Americans because they saw America as equals. Now the Americans are according them the same respect that they gave to various small shit countries around the globe, China will do the same in kind.
Of course China have an awful record, so are we having another race to the bottom now?
America bring war and financial ruin to countries in the name of peace, freedom and "democracy" often because democracy hasn't achieved the result the US wants, and it expects everyone else to go along with them like little puppets.
guess that'l stop the emui 9/Pie rollout on my new P20 Pro then 😉
They need to get Huwaei and other Chinese firm kit out of critical national infrastructure. It's a joke the UK government hasn't yet mandated it (I'm smelling some giant backhander to someone).
Allowing the on-going abuse of BGP routing by Chinese ISPs based in other countries is a complete farce to, they are currently collecting vast quantities of Internet traffic that should never even go close to China. No I'm not a conspiracy nut.
So we're saying that Huwaei and/or the chinese government have switched off (demonstration of power?) part of several nations mobile networks in retrobution for the arrest of one of their execs and because some nations have instucted commercial organisations to cease using Huwaei tech in their infastructure?
So we’re saying that Huwaei and/or the chinese government have switched off (demonstration of power?)
No. why would they turn off UK based systems opposed North American?
But its far to early to show the hand.
Not sure why the confusion. She is charged with breaking US laws and landed in a country with an extradition agreement with the US. The US obviously had her passport flagged and she was arrested.
The same reason de Beers execs couldn't visit the US or places with extradition agreements for 60 years.
O2 fail is Ericsson, not Huawei. It's pronounced "Wah-Way"!
"They need to get Huwaei and other Chinese firm kit out of critical national infrastructure. It’s a joke the UK government hasn’t yet mandated it (I’m smelling some giant backhander to someone).
Allowing the on-going abuse of BGP routing by Chinese ISPs based in other countries is a complete farce to, they are currently collecting vast quantities of Internet traffic that should never even go close to China. No I’m not a conspiracy nut."
It's not like the yanks aren't doing it - from reddit. Scroll down for the hyperlinks to the articles.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/a3hhyj/canada_arrests_huaweis_global_chief_financial/
"And yet the UK's GCHQ (intelligence agency) found nothing in their cleanroom examination of Huawei hardware.
Right now it seems more like the US is retaliating for Huawei's LACK of cooperation in letting the US create back doors in their hardware to target other countries. From your own link:
The NSA allegedly launched an operation code-named "Shotgiant" in 2007 aimed at uncovering any possible ties between Huawei—a company that likes to boast of how its routers and switches connect a third of the world's population—and China's military, known as the People's Liberation Army, according to the New York Times and Der Spiegel. Operation Shotgiant also aimed to compromise and exploit Huawei's technology so that the NSA could infiltrate the computer networks of Huawei customers in "high-priority target" countries such as Iran, Afghanistan, ****stan, Kenya, and Cuba.
The success allowed the agency [NSA] to spy on email communications for Huawei employees, including Ren Zhengfei, founder of Huawei, as well as steal the source code for specific Huawei products that could be used to exploit those products for espionage or cyberwarfare purposes."
Another -
"The German Telekom is investigating the Huawei 5G networks with a cybersecurity task force for quite some time now and they couldn't find anything, neither could other government and spy agencies.
The US govt. also couldn't show any proof to the German govt. regarding their claims.
https://www.golem.de/news/5g-telekom-haelt-spionagevorwuerfe-gegen-huawei-fuer-unbegruendet-1812-138049.html
Telekom considers allegations of espionage against Huawei unfounded
The call by the USA to its allies to exclude Huawei is objectively unfounded for Telekom. In addition, the US secret services cannot provide any evidence to Germany's government.
Deutsche Telekom considers the US government's allegations of espionage against the Chinese telecommunications supplier Huawei to be unfounded. "Thomas Tschersich, Head of Cyber Security at Deutsche Telekom, told the daily Die Welt in an interview: "All network elements are intensively checked before use as part of a privacy and security assessment and their behavior is analyzed during ongoing operations.
To be completely secure, outgoing data streams are constantly monitored. "If we detect any anomalies, we remove the devices in question from the network until an investigation has been completed," continued Tschersich. Against this background, it is at least unlikely that network components would be able to divert data to China unnoticed.
For the 5G network expansion, Deutsche Telekom does not want to rely on a single manufacturer, but to build a mixed infrastructure. In addition to Huawei, Ericsson, Nokia and Cisco are also participating. However, this is common practice with all network operators, and not only since 5G. Huawei is the only of the three major suppliers to supply all three mobile operators in Germany.
Telekom warns against banning Huawei from network expansion in Germany. "With a view to prompt expansion and investment requirements, it will be difficult to afford to exclude high-performing suppliers in Germany," said Tschersich. The company had no knowledge of the Federal Office for Information Security (BSI) or the security authorities against Huawei.
The Süddeutsche Zeitung reported last week that the USA could not provide the German government with any evidence for its accusations: "All requests to the USA to share the available information about possible security gaps would remain unsuccessful. This suggests that there is no evidence but that the US wants to further escalate its trade war against China."
Some have suggested the yanks have a NOBUS security vulnerability in Huawei hardware which they don't want to let China know about - other than that I can't see how this is not politically motivated, HP printers to Iran is just silly and bound to deepen divisions between the two countries.
BT have been quietly removing Huawei kit from their core network and that of EE who they recently bought out. They’ve only just admitted this after they were asked by the FT.
It’s not like the yanks aren’t doing it – from reddit. Scroll down for the hyperlinks to the articles.
Ofc nation state cyber attacks are happening in all directions (and the UK is actually very good at it) but knowing it's going on would you really want critical national infrastructure relying on kit produced by a Chinese company with strong links to their government/military? Fox in the hen house comes to mind.
Whether or not suspicious code/functions have been found isn't really the point, a clean room test isn't perfect by any means and once the kit's in place it's too late if you missed something. I'm also not convinced the NSA or GCHQ/NCSC would actually be open about what they'd really found, politically it's in their interests but operationally it's not.
I highly doubt Chinese critical national infrastructure is reliant on US/UK manufactured equipment
All good points.
I guess my opinion is that we just get a bit too emotive about China, when in reality the western nations act like scumbags as well.