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Has decided to lead an Orange march in Scotland. for those of you not following the minutiae of Scots politics the last few years the orange order have been trying to provoke the nationalists and the nationalist ( a much broader movement than just the SNP) made a concious decision to simply ignore them. The Orange order ran a unionist demo in Edinburgh and the word was: " No counter demo, just ignore them" Basically this has been working. Ignoring them and not organising counter demos has meant the orange order have not been getting the column inches as without a good scrap there is no story.
But now Foster is going to lead a march thru fife - ( fortunately not Glasgow)
I can only see this causing huge trouble - I am sure there will be counter demos. Is that playing into fosters hands? Does she realise how provocative it is? Large slice of religious bigotry anyone? Foster is rapidly becoming one of my most hated politicians.
I think its good how she demonstrates how out dated and out of step with reality her parties politics and attitudes are. This just cements it further
Horrible excuse of a human being...please keep her 😀
"I think its good how she demonstrates how out dated and out of step with reality her parties politics and attitudes are. This just cements it further"
Sadly it cements her into the hearts and minds of her core voters so so come voting time, she'll get back in. Her anti-abortion bollocks goes down very well with the serious church goers and this kind of crap gets the biggoted knuckle heads on board.
Nothing to be gained from a counter demo. Just let Arlene and the OO spout their bile and hatred . Hopefully they'll show themselves up as the narrow minded bigots they are and leave Cowdenbeath and Scotland in peace as soon as possible.
The independence movement should just continue with their own planned and peaceful marches
Horrible human being ....
Racist, bigot, ignorant, dark ages **** wit
You struggle to find anyone in the UK more unpleasant.
She does however reflect the true heart of the Tory swivel eyed including Rees Mogg
She's an arsehole of a man.
Being brought up in the West of Scotland, as a Rangers fan, I abhor these clowns and all their unionist, monarchist nonsense.
**** off back to the dark ages.
Are you equally upset about Sadiq Kahn attending the upcoming Eid celebrations TJ?
Or does your concept of religious tolerance only apply to brown people now?
Does she realise how provocative it is?
People walking down a road - how very dare they? Next thing you know they'll be playing music too - will nobody *please* stop this?
Dup against abortion single sex marriage, Darwinism, the wishes of NI to remain in EU, LGTB people, Muslims, same sex parents and the existence of climate change. Can see why they’d appeal to trolls
She is a kind of inverse Ruth Davidson. Watching May try and keep them both happy is highlighting her failing government and its politics of appeasement.
I wonder where it went wrong for her. She seemed so nice on Strictly.
Ninnie tries to play the man,not the ball,AGAIN.
Just a suggestion, maybe sponsor the march to raise funds for abortion clinics or LGBT rights rather than have a counter march. Raise banners and cheer them on, making sure they know the causes they are helping. Our German friends did similar....
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/nov/18/neo-nazis-tricked-into-raising-10000-for-charity
Are you equally upset about Sadiq Kahn attending the upcoming Eid celebrations TJ?
Or does your concept of religious tolerance only apply to brown people now?
Does she realise how provocative it is?
People walking down a road – how very dare they? Next thing you know they’ll be playing music too – will nobody *please* stop this?
As usual you have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about
Come up here during marching season
some of us actually live here and see the hatred it brings
comparing a Muslim politician celebrating Eid to the hate filled booze and crime fest that surrounds an orange walk
Dup against abortion single sex marriage, Darwinism, the wishes of NI to remain in EU, LGTB people, Muslims, same sex parents and the existence of climate change
Yep, I mean, I definitely can’t find any politicians, Islamic preachers or Roman Catholic priests with backwards views on any of those issues can I?
Napalm strike will solve the problem
She may well end up being the "darling" of the left when she sticks the knife in Mays back as she realises the Tories are about to go for the unitedish Ireland option to extricate themselves from the pickle they've got into.
If anyone was waiting for more evidence that Arlene Foster is a poor excuse for a human being - here it is.
If anyone was waiting for more evidence that Arlene Foster is a poor excuse for a human being – here it is.
Yip. The stamp of approval from the resident forum oddball is always the hallmark of quality
Deliberately provocative act to cement her position with the hardcore nutjobs as she's forced to compromise over brexit.
The eco corruption scandal she's neck deep in would have seen any normal MP booted out long ago, at least the DUPs bribe to prop up the Tories has shone a light on just how backward they are.
Brilliant effort by ninfan btw, just brilliant 😂
Especially as Kahn led the pride march last year, imagine foster doing that !
Napalm strike will solve the problem
C'mon....that's a bit harsh, ninfan is perfectly within his rights to take an opposing view
Of course ninny is right plenty of other MPs with ignorant & backward views on abortion, homosexuality etc
Does Mogg dye his eyebrows? They look suspect when comparing to his grey sides and mousey brown /greying hair.
Never trust a man so insecure he has to resort to dying his eyebrows.
Ninfan, you obviously have no bloody idea what you are talking about. The OO have as much to do with religion as Tommy Robinson does as a sex crime crusader. And if you can't work that out then I'm afraid I can't help you.
At least Jacob Rees Mogg as the right honourable member for the 18th century, has progressed a century from the orange order.
Agree that ninfan shows he has strayed too far towards the deep end. Back in the baby pool on this one ninfan.
At least the mainland is being introduced to the DUP hate machine. I guess that's one of the benefits of brexit, NI doesn't suffer on it's own anymore.
At least the mainland is being introduced to the DUP hate machine.
S’funny - all the abusive, intolerant and mysoginistic abuse on the thread so far seems to have been levelled against the daughter of a policeman who was herself blown up by the IRA as a child.
You might want to check who the ‘hate machine’ descriptor really fits... for example, I can’t see comments like
She’s an arsehole of a man.
being made on here about any left wing female politician or member of the LGBT or Trans community without the banhammer being swiftly wielded. (Oh, hang on, let me guess, “he was joking”, right mods?)
Politician (of whatever persuasion) in self-serving, power-grabbing, deliberately provocative action shock.
(admittedly there are a few exceptions)
Lol, ninfans back 🙂
I think the DUP stance on abortion is quite mysoginistic enough as it is, they don't appear to be needing any help. Lol!
Oh cripes, Zulu’s shitting his pants again. Lock up your mothers everyone.
S’funny – all the abusive, intolerant and mysoginistic abuse on the thread so far seems to have been levelled against the daughter of a policeman who was herself blown up by the IRA as a child.
You might want to check who the ‘hate machine’ descriptor really fits
Not really. Having lived through 40 years of the DUP I can firmly say that their tactics are fear, division and hate. Their long standing views on the catholic religion, republic of lreland, homosexuality and even how old the earth is, puts them in the hate machine category.
You make a good point about her past. Events have led to her politics being driven by her hate and anger. Stark contrast to peter Robinson whose politics was driven by ambition which lead to NI actually having a government.
I think the DUP stance on abortion is quite mysoginistic enough as it is,
Strange that theres been so little critisism of the ‘progressive’ SDLP’s pro-life stance, isn’t it?
Their long standing views on the catholic religion, republic of lreland, homosexuality and even how old the earth is, puts them in the hate machine category.
As pointed out above, plenty of other religious and political bodies with similar views that people like yourself never level anything like the same level of vitriolic and mysoginistic abuse against.
even more repulsive when you read the actual news story of the message she is there to convey:
““There is no place in 2018 for sectarianism or prejudice against any section of our community - that includes the Orange Order.”
How terribly “politics of hate” that is...
Ninfan - you make intelligent comments on topics you know about. You clearly know little about this vile person and her organisation.
She is a corrupt bigot.
Ninfan – you make intelligent comments.
Google has a lot to answer for in enabling the Dunning-Kruger effect.
(Oh, hang on, let me guess, “he was joking”, right mods?)
Nope, I wasn't joking.
Maybe we could set up a scheme to donate to the Labour party every time ninfan posts?
Ninfan – you make intelligent comments on topics you know about. You clearly know little about this vile person and her organisation.
I don't know why people are assuming Ninfan doesn't know anything about the Orange Order, Arlene Foster and the DUP. I'm pretty sure he's as well informed about them as anybody else on this thread and his comments should be judged with that in mind.
Abhorrent individual being nasty with her bigotted friends. Shocker!!!
You're all helping them. Publicity is their oxygen.
As pointed out above, plenty of other religious and political bodies with similar views that people like yourself never level anything like the same level of vitriolic and mysoginistic abuse against.
Who has the same views on -
Hating catholic religion,
Hating the republic of lreland,
homosexuality
how old the earth is
Genuinely keen to know.
@belfastflyer - plenty of equally bigotted people in Scotland!
My uncle's FiL was such a chap, he used to lead such marches (please don't call them parades). How ironic that his only daughter married a Catholic boy from Fermanagh. Ha ha!!!!!
Ah the DUP and its prehistoric followers. Arlene is quite the character , i live in N.I and i've yet to hear anybody say a good word about her,yet she is top power house. But at july time over here something weird happens. People you know and work with all year descend into a state of tribalism and devolution. Pre july you would all be mates, but once the bowler hats and sash comes out along with the mini union flags, the DUP poll rating goes through the roof as the bile that has been boiling inside all year finally spills over in the july heat.
In my view this is a deliberate attempt to stir up trouble. the sad thing is it will probably succeed
In my view this is a deliberate attempt to stir up trouble. the sad thing is it will probably succeed
Ninny or Arlene?
ElShalimo - scotlands sectarian problem is well known. I'm talking about political parties and he knows that (and prob why he's gone silent)
I wonder how it would be received if a Muslim militant group dressed up in quasi military uniforms and marched through the city centres playing their music and proclaimed their hatred of Christians while celebrating past massacres.
I used to quite like her on that dancing show.
I wonder how it would be received if a Muslim militant group dressed up in quasi military uniforms and marched through the city centres playing their music and proclaimed their hatred of Christians while celebrating past massacres.
Yeah, imagine
List of people Ninfan loves
Donald Trump
Arlene Foster
Anyone else?
Yeah, imagine
LOL i think zulu is suggesting making the orange order a banned organization !
On one hand it is pointless prevarication on the other it gets a group of idiots together in one place to have their photos taken and logged for future reference.
Tell me the last time you saw those banners in the UK, Ninfan.
You are right on the money klunk. Not often I am agreeing with epic, however the marches ninfan displays do appear unpleasant, so I ask him why does he stick up for orange marches but not what appear to be radical Islam marches. Both seem reprehensible to me, with ordinary people across the UK repulsed by both. Religious bigotry in Scotland from all sides is pretty toxic, and ninfans first sentence on the thread displayed his ignorance, however one is more British in his eyes, so that is ok!
And btw. how many people in those pics ninfan received £1.2bn to help push through government policy? Probably the guy with the ginger beard.
Honestly, Ninfan....might actually have a point to a degree. Plenty of sectarian idiots about, the vitriol aimed at her is probably a bit below the belt - I don't see why people have to stoop to using prejudiced language. I guess it kind of fits with the hilarity of one set of nationalists killing and winding up another set of nationalists though.
Honestly, Ninfan….might actually have a point to a degree.
Come on Tom... What exactly is HRH Princess of blackmailed power doing to make things any better in the UK?
foster - lets see.
Runs a party of bigots
corruptly stole a million pounds
Refuses any compromise politically
deliberately stirs up hatred and violence
so I ask him why does he stick up for orange marches but not what appear to be radical Islam marches.
A good question. Let's wait for the answer.
so I ask him why does he stick up for orange marches but not what appear to be radical Islam marches.
The very point I’m making is that the ‘progressive’ people on here spouting bile against the DUP would be the first to call you racist for seeking to ban muslim marches. I also think the more interesting question is why it’s deemed as acceptable to use the type of abusive and mysoginistic language witnessed on page one of this thread about Arlene Foster when if you posted the same about, say, a prominent Muslim female spokesperson (or pretty much any other woman in the world) you would be castigated, your posts would be moderated and the banhammer would be wielded.
The very point you are making ninfan is that you are wary of Muslim marches, and appear not too keen on them, so you draw equivalence with support for Orange order marches. This does defeat the point of your argument. Two wrongs don't make a right. I agree regarding points made about Fosters appearance. People using that on their reasoning also do themselves no favours.
I am no expert on the type of march you posted in your pics ninfan, as they tend not to happen in Scotland, however some of the placards do look abhorrent and I think many including Muslims would not agree with the sentiment.
You may now be getting an impression of what reasonable people think of the Orange Order, and I struggle to draw comparison between Arlene Foster at a parade with backward looking bigots, and Sadiq Khan at an event celebrating the end of Ramadan. Do the Eid events have an unsavoury tone, or do you find the thought of a celebration of Muslim culture unsettling?
The very point I’m making is that the ‘progressive’ people on here spouting bile against the DUP would be the first to call you racist for seeking to ban muslim marches.
As Orange men are not orange how can they be a race - so it can't possibly be racist...
I also think the more interesting question is why it’s deemed as acceptable to use the type of abusive and mysoginistic language witnessed on page one of this thread about Arlene Foster when if you posted the same about,
Are you reading a different thread? Arsehole of a man was possibly the strangest thing there - Did you just decide to drop that in for no real reason?
do you find the thought of a celebration of Muslim culture unsettling?
I think we know the real answer to that even if he won't publicly admit it...
Arseholes.
As a churchgoing Protestant living in the West of Scotland I had a choice of nine different marches I could have attended yesterday all within a ten mile radius of my house.
This is just a typical Saturday in the summer.
I was woken yesterday morning by the sounds of drums and flutes and was still listening to them when I had my dinner at 5 pm.
They do all of this in the name of religion but, in my entire adult lifetime of attending a good Protestant church, I’ve never met an Orangemen when I was there. Funny that.
Its just an excuse for blatant hatred and tribalism and I’d ban the bloody lot of them.
The very point I’m making is that the ‘progressive’ people on here spouting bile against the DUP would be the first to call you racist for seeking to ban muslim marches
While i agree somewhat, the DUP and the jesters are no different from any alt left/right , islamic /jew( insert religion/ beliefs views) group. Some do it for peace, some for hate. We know what criteria the dup and mime artists come under. There will always be a pro and con , a follower and a rival.
muslim marches
Onve again, seeing as you struggle with this, there's a world of difference between celebrating the end of Eid Vs the jihadi supporting marches you posted up there.
Orange order marches have one purpose only: to wind up Catholics. the only thing worse than the orange order are the knuckle dragging luddites that line the parade route to show their support. You'd probably feel right at home.
As Orange men are not orange how can they be a race – so it can’t possibly be racist…
And what colour are muslims, Einstein?
do you find the thought of a celebration of Muslim culture unsettling?
no more unsettling than you appear to find the celebration of Protestant culture
But I’ll bet you a fiver that if anyone came on here calling Muslims areseholes for holding one, they would be banned.
Orange order marches have one purpose only: to wind up Catholics.
Quick, cancel bonfire night.
Well done ninfan
Was just getting in with your usual defence first....
Still not sure which quotes on page one you are objecting to though
no more unsettling that you appear to find the celebration of Protestant culture
It’s not Protestant culture though.
I’m a Protestant. It’s not my culture.
It’s arsehole culture. I’m beginning to understand why you’re defending it.
It’s not Protestant culture though.
I’m a Protestant. It’s not my culture.
And not all muslims wear the hijab or eat halal meat, Doesn’t mean that it’s not part of their culture though.
Like how eating a bacon buttie doesn’t mean that kosher, bagels and matzos aren’t quintessentially Jewish either.
Good God ninfan, give it up, you're ruining what could be an enlightened<span style="font-size: 0.8rem;"> thread. What the DUP want is not Protestant culture.</span>
ninfan, I bet the people in the photo with placards saying "Islam will dominate the world", and "Jihad to defend Muslims" are arseholes. I dont think I will be banned for saying so. Right then, back to the Orange Order.
What about
what about
what about
Orange order marches have one purpose only: to wind up Catholics.
Na, excuse for a piss up too, and to get the suit on, only other time they wear it is on court dates....
As PP rightly says, it is bugger all to do with the church.
There was a load of those "good muslims" jailed for incitement to murder. **** them and **** the DUP.
You should probably make the eid comparison with Easter egg hunts.
It's a shame to see Ninfan reduced to this as he used to be quite an effective troll.
What the DUP want is not Protestant culture.
You want to read up on your four schools of the reformation more, sonny.
what could be an enlightened thread
“She’s an arsehole of a man.”
How very enlightened...
I am no expert on the type of march you posted in your pics ninfan, as they tend not to happen in Scotland, however some of the placards do look abhorrent and I think many including Muslims would not agree with the sentiment.
I recognise that second photo. It wasn't a "Muslim march," it was a bunch of extremists staging a protest after Bin Laden was killed.
You might as well hold up photos of the EDL as being representative of the English, rather recognising (both of) them for what they are - a hate-filled extremist minority.
I'm all for freedom of speech so this is a difficult one for me. I'd cheerfully see both groups booted out of the country, maybe send them to a remote island and let them sort out their differences Battle Royale style. (-: Maybe the solution is to allow these marches but ban face-coverings at them; anyone who needs to wear a mask clearly knows that they're up to no good.
anyone who needs to wear a mask clearly knows that they’re up to no good
Yep. Those surgeons are a dodgy bunch. 😷😉
😛 Do you get many surgical marches?
Do you get many surgical marches?
Nah. Too risky.
They might cut across a main arterial route.
Maybe the solution is to allow these marches but ban face-coverings at them; anyone who needs to wear a mask clearly knows that they’re up to no good.
Brilliant, looks like we’re both agreed that orange marches are a perfectly acceptable expression of religious freedom then. Cheers.
They might cut across a main arterial route.
Beautifully done, sir.
looks like we’re both agreed that orange marches are a perfectly acceptable expression of religious freedom then.
You can twist anything anyone says to suit your own ends, can't you.
I wasn't talking about the OO, I don't know the first thing about them / NI politics beyond what's been written here. The impression I'm getting is that it's acceptable but probably unwise. But like I say, I've no idea.