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I can understand most the the arguments, even though I don't agree with them personally.
I will absolutely not comply with any advice a tyranny government gives me.
What other rules and guidance imposed by governments in the interests of public safety do you disagree with and refuse to follow? Accepting that this is the most incompetent and corrupt UK government since maybe Georgian times?
And have you personally lost a close friend or family to Covid? That removed any doubts I may have had about the need for mass vaccination, when it took people I knew in Wave 2.
I will absolutely not comply with any advice a tyranny government gives me
So, you drive on any side of the road, at any speed you choose, and completely ignore things like stop signs? I’m guessing not.
This is the problem with ‘antis’ they are only ‘anti’ some things that they choose.
If you really don’t trust the government, then you absolutely must ignore any and all instructions from them.
So, you drive on any side of the road, at any speed you choose, and completely ignore things like stop signs?
Audi drivers.....makes you think eh?
@bliss,if you were travelling abroad to Africa for example would you have typhoid and yellow fever jabs, take malaria tablets or would you risk it?
So @bliss ...what would you do if you caught Covid, and ended up seriously ill in hospital? Would you refuse any drugs the doctors could use to save your life because you don't know what's in them?
I suspect he may be safe under his bridge.
@bliss As an MTB'er especially, I hope your tetanus is upto date. Even a sedately gardener needs them.
Have you had that jab or do you never cut yourself on dirty ground ?
Mate of mine refused to have it, fit and healthy 50 year old, postman. Walks miles.
Damn nearly killed him recently, high dependency unit. I've not seen him back on his rounds since catching it. It's a lottery. He was fit and healthy.
Guess what, he now want's the jab, but can't have it just yet.
Mate of mine refused to have it, fit and healthy 50 year old, postman. Walks miles.
Damn nearly killed him recently, high dependency unit.
Sadly, the internet seems to be filled with stories like that, many ending in death. If people want to risk their own lives, that's up to them, but why should they be given a hospital bed when it's down to their own stupidity?
I suspect he may be safe under his bridge.
this
but why should they be given a hospital bed when it’s down to their own stupidity?
It's a little unfair to class everyone in this position as "stupid". People have been misled or have been swamped with information good and bad and been unduly influenced by the bad. I know erudite STWers rely on fact checking, trusted sources, critical thinking etc. but vast swathes of the population get their 'news' from mates, facebook and youtube. Places where any opinion or idea no matter how ridiculous can get a platform and gain traction.
We have to watch the 'stupidity' thing - we ride bikes you know !
but why should they be given a hospital bed when it’s down to their own stupidity?
Because we live in a society that looks after people regardless of who or what they're doing or are. Otherwise it's a tricky road to start down.
Sadly, the internet seems to be filled with stories like that, many ending in death. If people want to risk their own lives, that’s up to them, but why should they be given a hospital bed when it’s down to their own stupidity?
There will be, and they will be the highly visible cases of regret. But the majority of the anti-vaxers are going to be saved from their own mouthbreathing incompetence by the majority who have taken the vaccine reducing the possibility of the unvaccinated coming into contact with high viral load strangers. There will be a lot of crowing anti-vaxxer 'I told you so's unable to comprehend that is was the acts of others that got them through this safe (medically and economically) despite their choice.
I think everyone with some concept of what a vaccine is will appreciate there is a small risk attached to taking it as there is with any medication. That's indisputable. But most people are competent enough to put that into context and appreciate the broader benefits to both themselves AND SOCIETY AT LARGE of them taking it.
Longer term when this is over (or normalised and minimised by annual vaccination of the vast majority) I truly would rather not have an anti vaxxer anywhere in my life. To me it is evidence of one of two things - either a pretty poor intellect (or I guess a mental illness that fantalises to a degree that makes them too hard to be around) or a supremely selfish, self-serving sociopathic personality type that is prepared to let others do the (small) risk taking to their personal benefit or the benefit of the most vulnerable. Either way it marks them out to me at least as wasters to be pushed out of my life. Not because of their potential to infect me and mine but because what their stance says about them as a human being.
Yes, a very tricky road. I am not going to treat you because of your stupid diet choices, I am not going to treat you because you stupidly tried to jump a bike and crashed etc,.
Because we live in a society that looks after people regardless of who or what they’re doing or are. Otherwise it’s a tricky road to start down.
The logical extension is that cyclists, climbers etc who get hurt shouldn't be treated either, they agreed to take the risk etc.
It would be a very nasty society where your right to get treatment from the NHS which you have funded through your taxes (even if they aren't enough) is rationed due to someone deciding that your actions are "stupid "
Figures quoting 2m with long Covid in the UK. Many folk on here have it. That's something you want to avoid, never mind being rather ill for a couple of weeks.
but why should they be given a hospital bed when it’s down to their own stupidity?
by all means give them a bed and treat them, at a cost of course. The vaccine is free after all.
its going to end up being part of your ability to get a job i think.
I'm already seeing requests for either double jabbed engineers only in some locations or at others - their jab status has to be proven and recorded and if they are a close contact to a positive case they are sent home immediatel - where as a double jabbed close contact can quarantine and test to clear.
It wont take long of tracking the expense of sending folk home for that to progress to only double vax people.
* but then i work in an industry where engineers have elected to be sent home rather than shave their beard off for facefitting of life saving masks.....
I’ve a few rabid anti-V’s across the way. They really can’t be convinced otherwise. The virus was released on purpose. How do they know this? Because a vaccine was available in record breaking time. You really can’t argue with stupid..
Shame as they were a nice couple, but I cannot be arsed to be polite to someone as nuts as they are. Pair of pretty full on God botherer’s but never rammed it down your throat & always a very polite (as long as you didn’t mention anything to do with Islam - their faces would crinkle with disgust at the very mention. Something else I found out this year). The most insane thing is they’ve both had COVID very early on & been pretty bloody ill by all accounts.
Ultimately, it won't really matter that a few (and it really is a few) don't get vaccinated. The vast majority will, and that's pretty much all it takes to get rid of it (or reduce it enough to be background). Winding yourself up about anti vaxxers or folk who refuse to have it, is a pointless exercise, you're only going to give yourself an aneurism 🙂
I hope no one gets a bad dose of COVID, it's a shitty disease, I wouldn't wish it on anyone, whether they've had the vaccine or no
As someone who had/has severe post viral fatigue which sounds similar to long covid it's really no joke - seriously life-changing. There's no guarantee it will ever go away completely.
why should they be given a hospital bed when it’s down to their own stupidity?
Don't be daft.
its going to end up being part of your ability to get a job i think.
Except of course it is illegal to ask about a potential employees medical history in the UK.
Except of course it is illegal to ask about a potential employees medical history in the UK.
lots of things that are now legal pre covid have become illegal by exemption over the course of the last 17 months so i wouldnt bank my job on that.
and frankly there are many jobs in close confines environments where having unvax people mixing with vax people could be a high risk to your business.
Except of course it is illegal to ask about a potential employees medical history in the UK.
I wasn't allowed to work with bodily fluids/tissue samples in a forensic tox lab until I showed them proof of various vaccinations against blood-borne diseases. That was 25 years ago. Similarly a company I was working for about 12 years ago wouldn't book flights to Congo-Brazzaville until I could show my Yellow Fever vaccination certificate.
My current employer is in the process of removing all unvaccinated contractors from the facility after a recent covid outbreak.
If they're being the law they're doing it pretty brazenly.
I feel like this was a perfect microcosm of the whole debate here.
Anti-vax person makes their presence known, demonstrates their inability to really understand numbers/risk/how science works (standing on the shoulders of giants) and then disappears. Meanwhile, everyone else piles on with a load of questions / comments, some of which are equally distasteful (E.g. suggesting denying hospital beds).
I suspect he may be safe under his bridge.
and:
It's easier to fool people than it is to convince them that they have been fooled.
– Mark Twain.
Three decades ago we were in the midst of an HIV/AIDS epidemic. Health Minister Norman Fowler launched a campaign to promote awareness and to educate people about safe sex - a campaign which was largely successful and had a lasting impact, in spite of some Sunday Times buffoonery at the time that asserted that HIV did not cause AIDS and that AIDS could not spread amongst heterosexuals. By and large, the AIDS awareness campaigns of the 1980s/1990s can be considered a success in spite of contrarian assertions made by journalists with terrible hair.
In the internet age however, we're seeing an overload of information - people aren't educated as to how to critically assess something they watch on YouTube. We have a growing problem of prominent people spreading falsehoods without being challenged - with such an abundance of information, people are selecting the facts that best fit their worldview. Just twelve influencers behind the majority of anti-vax propaganda
Sometimes, it's more than just being misguided - the "wellness" phenomenon has unleashed quackery - Joe Mercola has snake oil to sell you.
Wellness is lucrative business - sobbing Oscar recipient and flange candle flogging lifestyle gurus can make a mint selling stuff that's at best quackery and at worst dangerous “science is just one way of knowing”
It’s easier to fool people than it is to convince them that they have been fooled.
– Mark Twain.
Ironical 🤔 (Unless you have researched Mark Twain and have better evidence?)
Still agree with the sentiment. There’s an actual quote of Twain’s from ‘What Is Man’ which isn’t as snappy but cuts deep into the subject:
I understand why we can't deny them hospital beds, it was more of a rhetorical question than a literal one.
However, in many places there really is a shortage of hospital beds and the brute reality is that doctors have to make tough decisions about who to treat and who to deny a bed. If someone has deliberately refused a vaccine when it's available and then gets covid, I don't see any reason why they shouldn't be the one to be denied a bed when there is a shortage. This is not the same as refusing to treat sports injuries on the grounds that sports is an inherently risky endeavour. In the case of sports it's a matter of cost, in the case of covid, it's a situation where not everyone can be treated because there aren't enough hospital beds.
flange candle
Noice.
I don't think Bliss is trolling, FWIW. And not everyone takes these viewpoints simply to be contrarian.
Every vaccination campaign assumes a certain proportion of refuseniks - it's built into the modelling. And, looking overall at this one, uptake has been exceptionally good, and we need to focus on the positives of that.
PJM - Good post ^ to which I'd add that i'm sure in some cases at least, people think there's more to lose by admitting you were wrong than by doubling down again and again. No-one likes being fooled, they like admitting it even less.
Telling them they're stupid makes that worse. We need to provide a ladder to climb down, not kick it away.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/aug/09/convince-anti-vaxxers
I find it a bit ironic that you won't take a vaccine that protects both you and others because of concerns around your health, whilst at the same time you maintain a weight of 23 stone which is clearly not at all healthy.
I had COVID and was in a pretty bad way in hospital. I was very conscious of getting to a point where I had nothing left in reserve if I continued deteriorating. I'm no athlete, I am also overweight. However I am pretty sure that is I had been older, heavier, less fit then I would have crossed a point of no return. How can you be so confident that you will not be in that position given that you are clinically obese at 6’5 and 23 stone?
I was out for a beer with a mate last week who is an anaesthetist. His ITU is full just now with COVID patients. Every single one of them is un vaccinated. Every. Single. One. His staff are utterly broken.
I struggle to sympathise when I read about anti-vaxxers dying. I absolutely do not sympathise when vocal, influential anti vaxxers die.
Telling them they’re stupid makes that worse. We need to provide a ladder to climb down, not kick it away.
On one level I do agree, but the constant flow of utter dirge from sometimes inauthentic accounts on social media is exhausting - try responding to a tweet by Peter Hitchens that you've had loved ones die from covid and you'll get all kinds of responses that border on the psychopathic. It's exasperating and it requires a great deal of effort not to give the crazies short shift. Yesterday's protest in London which involved a number of anti-lockdown protesters attempting to overrun the former BBC television centre because of a lockdown that no longer exists is both baffling and like witnessing a modern day cargo-cult in the making.
I was out for a beer with a mate last week who is an anaesthetist. His ITU is full just now with COVID patients. Every single one of them is un vaccinated. Every. Single. One. His staff are utterly broken.
One of the worst arguments (how to choose???) I’ve ever read from a Covidiot is ‘well, doctors are going to say that they are busy, because their livelihood depends on it. But so and so told me on Facebook that when they visited a hospital it was EMPTY aNd tHe NurSes ARe DoInG tHere NaiLs and daNcinG foR tiKToK aN eVeRyThiNG wHiCh pRovEs tHat ALL dOctOrs Are LiArs AND THeRe aLsO BeiNg KePt In The DarK by the GreaT ReSet ELiTeS OMG kEEp that POISOn aWay frOm Me ha ha I’m nOt A sTuPid ShEePle, ’
Even taken philosophically/at face value - for someone to display such unquestioning distrust of professional/highly-educated/healthcare-providers etc (and yet paradoxically also display such unquestioning trust in random, unverified, decontextualised, anecdotal, malignant rumours…) tends to point towards psychological-projection? Cognitive dissonance being a given…
And of course if ITU is full of COVID patients, it doesn't have room for people who desperately need elective surgery.
If you look at the U.S. statistics, states where Trump is popular have low vaccination and exploding covid numbers. Arkansas has a population of about 3 million and 8 ICU beds available.
https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1425048490888077345
for someone to display such unquestioning distrust of professional/highly-educated/healthcare-providers etc (and yet paradoxically also display such unquestioning trust in random, unverified, decontextualised, anecdotal, malignant rumours…) tends to point towards psychological-projection?
I read an article that was persuasive in that it argued that books like The Da Vinci code arose at the same time as rise in use of internet, and "taught" a group of new internet users; 30-40 year old people who read pot-boilers like the Da Vinci code. how to "look for" hidden codes.
You're familiar with the plot, right? The hero tells us (the readers) of all the hidden meanings behind otherwise plain or normal things...It teaches us that everything is hidden in plain site, and google comes along...and wow, some of the stuff that Dan put in his novel turns out to be true (or at least have a kernel of truth to them) there's now thousands of sites "investigating" the clues and codes, and it grows into a massive online industry...which a merely a short hop skip and a jump to any number of linked meta-conspiracies, all feeding into and from each other regurgitating and re-inventing the same old lies and nonsense, all globally superpowered by "research" on the internets-web. What used to be smaller individualized theories that you'd have to go to a library or subscribe to a hand written circular...linked (like QAnon has become) to everything from lizards to "Tyrannical" new world orders
Why believe anything offered to you at face value any more?
its going to end up being part of your ability to get a job i think
There's 1 lad at work, already had covid, who is refusing to get a vaccine, despite being a regular MDMA user, on safety grounds. The MD (74 yrs old, no intention of retiring) had words with him for the 2nd time last week, his response was that he 'can't make me get it' and was told by the factory foreman that 'yes, he can't make you get it, but he can make you unemployed'.
I understand why we can’t deny them hospital beds
A LOT of people with non covid related conditions HAVE been denied hospital beds since this pandemic began last year, people who may now have missed vital months of treatments and end up in a much worse state than if the NHS hadn't been overrun with covid patients. People reusing a vaccine and potentially extending this situation through ignorance/stupidity deserve no sympathy if and when they end up ill
A LOT of people with non covid related conditions HAVE been denied hospital beds since this pandemic began last year, people who may now have missed vital months of treatments and end up in a much worse state than if the NHS hadn’t been overrun with covid patients. People reusing a vaccine and potentially extending this situation through ignorance/stupidity deserve no sympathy if and when they end up ill
Yes, that was the point I was trying to make.
deserve no sympathy if and when they end up ill
But...They still deserve treatment.
So let me ask you this: What information would you like about the vaccine in order to feel comfortable getting it? This is not a rhetorical question – what do you want to know?
I would like to know what the chemical make up is, with proof. Again this will never happen because I suspect what is in it is very dangerous and life threatening, all by design and I do believe this.
I may end up regretting asking this, but @bliss, there's more than one vaccine produced by the likes of AstraZeneca, Johnson & Johnson, Pfizer and Moderna to name but four. Do you believe that these are all harmful by design? Why would you believe that a vaccine intended to boost an immune response to a virus is harmful given that you've probably been immunized against Polio, Tetanus, Chickenpox and Measles via a vaccine?
I would like to know what the chemical make up is, with proof. Again this will never happen because I suspect what is in it is very dangerous and life threatening, all by design and I do believe this.
If this is genuinely how you feel (and not just a light hearted trolling) getting through day to day life for you must be a struggle. As has been previously asked of you, do you reject all medication? How about getting on a plane without intimate knowledge of the workings of a turbine engine? I'm assuming you are not a trained chemist - if someone gave you a list of compounds included in a vaccine, what would you do with that information? Personally I'd be clueless.
I would like to know what the chemical make up is, with proof
Not sure if this is available due to patents and IP protection.
Though can you confirm what knowledge and experience you have that would enable you to analyse the chemical composition and confirm or deny your theory that its all very dangerous and life threatening? You've done the same for paracetamol already I presume. That shit can kill you.
Your argument of ‘I don’t know what’s in it’ just doesn’t stack up. I would suggest the real reason you don’t want to take it is something else. You may not even understand this yourself.
2) Are you happy to endanger other people?
Correct.. I don't want to take it because I believe it's a death sentence, I do care about other people, I pleaded with my mother not to get the vaccine and I explained my worries to her, but ultimately it was her choice to get X2 of the vaccine and I respect that. But I wanted her to hear me out. If I didn't care I wouldn't have spoken to her various times about my concerns with the vaccine.
would like to know what the chemical make up is
Which vacinne. How about this for Pfizer?
The active substance is BNT162b2 RNA.
After dilution, the vial contains 6 doses, of 0.3 mL with 30 micrograms mRNA each.This vaccine contains polyethylene glycol/macrogol (PEG) as part of ALC-0159
The other ingredients are:ALC-0315 = (4-hydroxybutyl)azanediyl)bis(hexane-6,1-diyl)bis(2-hexyldecanoate)
ALC-0159 = 2[(polyethylene glycol)-2000]-N,N-ditetradecylacetamide
1,2-Distearoyl-sn-glycero-3-phosphocholine
cholesterol
potassium chloride
potassium dihydrogen phosphate
sodium chloride
disodium hydrogen phosphate dihydrate
sucrose
water for injections
1. Children have not been vaccinated. I don’t appreciate people putting my child, or anyone else’s child, through ignorance
Then concerned parents need to make sure their children are not in contact with anyone. This is a parents duty if this is how they feel.
I pleaded with my mother not to get the vaccine
Trying to be nice about this, but what makes you think you are qualified/have the right to do that?
don’t want to take it because I believe it’s a death sentence
Do realise that is it PROVEN that lots of people die from getting COVID?
Do you realise that there is NO PROOF that people die form COVID vaccines?
I don't think you should take up gambling.
The more unvaccinated people there are, the more the virus will continue to circulate and kill people.
I don't believe this in the slightest.
I would like to know what the chemical make up is, with proof
Mostly water, with Pfizer it's a modified nucleoside mRNA encoding the protien of Sars-COVID-19. Some salts so that it's sits comfy in your blood stream (also salty), some fats to give it some protection and some sugar to preserve it and make it stable in transportation. There's nothing really that requires much in the way of "proof" really
I would like to know what the chemical make up is, with proof. Again this will never happen because I suspect what is in it is very dangerous and life threatening, all by design and I do believe this.
As a sentence in itself this doesn't make sense.
You want to know the chemical makeup of the vaccine, but you don't think that will happen because you suspect it is dangerous. How does your suspicion about its safety affect whether or not you are able to know what the chemical make up is?
I pleaded with my mother not to get the vaccine
Genuine question, how do you think you would have felt if your Mum had refused it then died from COVID, that is a realistic scenario, would you have regret?
I don’t believe this in the slightest.
Why do you think rates/hospitalisations/deaths are down despite reopening pretty much entirely? Or are all the figures fake too in your conspiracy?
The more unvaccinated people there are, the more the virus will continue to circulate and kill people.
I don’t believe this in the slightest.
Okay, I'm calling it, Troll.
I'm ooot.
Do realise that is it PROVEN that lots of people die from getting COVID?
Do you realise that there is NO PROOF that people die form COVID vaccines?
People do die or become seriously ill from vaccines. Just a very tiny number compared to the number of doses given, and in situations where the risk of death or serious illness from the pathogen you're protecting them from is far, far higher.
TBH though, while I can understand the reasoning behind vaccine refusal up to a point, Bliss' posts imply that sinister forces have designed the vaccine to kill us. When they get to that level on the delusion/conspiracy chart, there is no point engaging with them.
If you genuinely believe that the vaccine is dangerous by design, i.e. the majority of governments around the world are intentionally trying to kill vast swathes of citizens, the question is why? Why do it? And why do it this massively complicated way? It would take far fewer people in on the conspiracy to kill vast numbers of the population by poisoning water supplies, with the added bonus that you would eradicate all the questioning types like yourself in one fell swoop? Why would governments be trying to kill the easily led sheeple and keep the free thinking rebels alive to threaten the new world order? I can't see the motivation behind this on a global scale
The more unvaccinated people there are, the more the virus will continue to circulate and kill people.
I don’t believe this in the slightest.
The CDC article contains links to the data to support the claim, which will have been put to peer review prior to publication.
In context pockets of unvaccinated people = higher prevalence of a virus spreading. In the case of Covid, there's also a greater chance of mutation. Since the start of the outbreak we've seen new variants appear (CDC again, with notes).
I don’t want to take it because I believe it’s a death sentence
You said you weren't going to explain why you weren't going to take it and then drop this?
Please - how is this vaccine going to kill me? It's not done a good job so far.
The more unvaccinated people there are, the more the virus will continue to circulate and kill people.
I don’t believe this in the slightest.
At the risk of being a little unkind, I don't think the phrase "ignorance is bliss' has ever been more fitting.
What other rules and guidance imposed by governments in the interests of public safety do you disagree with and refuse to follow? Accepting that this is the most incompetent and corrupt UK government since maybe Georgian times?
And have you personally lost a close friend or family to Covid? That removed any doubts I may have had about the need for mass vaccination, when it took people I knew in Wave 2.
I refuse to follow guidance and disagree with hate speech laws. It's something that goes against free speech and the liberty of expression based on other people's behavior, feelings etc. I also refuse to pay for a TV license, granted I don't watch TV but I would if I didn't have to pay for such a terrible propaganda set up.
I haven't lost anyone to covid no. Although I have had a cousin and family supposedly got it (all be vaccinated) and turned out fine.
I don't actually know anyone who even knows anyone who knows of someone who has died of covid. I don't think covid is even a big deal to catch.
if you were travelling abroad to Africa for example would you have typhoid and yellow fever jabs, take malaria tablets or would you risk it?
No..
You would never find me wanting to go to such a place.
Sweet Jesus. Fingers crossed that this is weapons grade trolling, as the alternative is deeply troubling.
don’t want to take it because I believe it’s a death sentence
You're either off in fantasy land or just trolling. You joined the forum a week ago and you're posting garbage like this? You'll be heading home crying before the month is up at this rate.
I don’t actually know anyone who even knows anyone who knows of someone who has died of covid. I don’t think covid is even a big deal to catch.
Its easy to say that when you haven't caught it (yet)
You still haven't addressed the large elephant in the room here. Your clinical obesity is a far, far greater risk to your health than any number of vaccines. Perhaps you need to redirect your energy.
I don’t actually know anyone who even knows anyone who knows of someone who has died of covid.
I do. I lost my uncle in May 2020 and my mother just before xmas. My mum spent a week on CPAP and I got to speak to her the evening before she died.
Two of my colleagues were hospitalized due to Covid, one has no underlying health problems and is under 40. One of my best mates is in charge of a high dependency unit in the midlands too, he's had some harrowing experiences treating Covid patients.
You’ll be heading home crying before the month is up at this rate.
I'll suspect they'll just be back at school with something else to entertain them.
Move along people, nothing to see here.
As an MTB’er especially, I hope your tetanus is upto date. Even a sedately gardener needs them.
Nope.. no recent tetanus shots, no recent shots of any kind. I've obviously had the shots given to children but as an adult I've chosen not to take any, I don't even take medication when I get the flu!
I don’t believe this in the slightest.
How do you argue with that? It's the functional equivalent of someone pronouncing that they don't believe in gravity, and refusing to acknowledge the fact that they're attached to the ground.
Maybe it's too punitive, but I'm not totally against the idea that you have to either prove vaccination (or have a medically valid reason not to be vaccinated) to partake in various aspects of society, such as to attend mass events or similar. Opting out for no good reason strikes me as fundamentally breaking the social contract we have with each other.
Bliss - I have had Covid. It developed into Pneumonia and then Sepsis. I was in ITU for 4 days (not ventilated but for Sepsis treatment). So I know someone who has had it.
My neighbour caught Covid and has died from it. He leaves a wife and 3 daughters.
Currently 2 members of my extended family have Covid (not too ill thankfully).
I really hope you are a weapons grade troll. If not then please stay off the internet. It won't do you any good.
Definitely a Troll.
it’s a situation where not everyone can be treated because there aren’t enough hospital beds.
But that's just not true is it? Hospitals have never been so quiet and empty during this pandemic. I also don't know of any undertakers who have expressed an increase of workload.
but as an adult I’ve chosen not to take any, I don’t even take medication when I get the flu!
so, sort of hopeful exceptionalism then?
Genuine question, how do you think you would have felt if your Mum had refused it then died from COVID, that is a realistic scenario, would you have regret?
Genuine question, did you think they were going to answer that?
Yes, troll for sure. But let’s test my theory:
Bliss, you say:
I also don’t know of any undertakers who have expressed an increase of workload.
Ok so what is the ‘normal’ average annual death rate of the UK? Around 500K?
There were over 600k deaths last year. About 130k of them recorded due to Covid-19. If you divide that figure between all of the funeral providers in the UK - how many ‘extra’ funerals will that be in a year per provider?
How many undertakers do you know? In my area we have had 17 deaths since the beginning of the outbreak. I don’t know how many the deceased had local funerals in this side of the county
But let’s say 12 have had funerals fairly locally. There are around 8 funeral providers locally. So thats maybe 0.6 burials a year up per provider compared to most years.
ymmv what have you?
I also don’t know of any undertakers who have expressed an increase of workload.
me neither.
but then I don't know any undertakers. makes you think eh...
I don’t think covid is even a big deal to catch.
everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face. m tyson.
Has to be a troll..
But that’s just not true is it? Hospitals have never been so quiet and empty during this pandemic.
Evidence?
If you'd like I'd be happy to get you and my mate Matt (the chap who runs an HDU at Leicester) on a Zoom call to discuss?
I also don’t know of any undertakers who have expressed an increase of workload.
personally I don't know any astronauts, I do know men have been in space though...
I think you're just trolling now though.
I find it a bit ironic that you won’t take a vaccine that protects both you and others because of concerns around your health, whilst at the same time you maintain a weight of 23 stone which is clearly not at all healthy.
That's just not true, I am not maintaining my unhealthy weight.