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Isn’t there some evidence that a (non-vaccinated) person who catches the virus from a vaccinated person will develop a less-severe disease?
That sounds rather unlikely
surely an antibody certificate and a clear test would be much more useful
An antibody certificate would be no more use than vaccination certificate.
Ps. I have just yet again tested positive for antibodies 11 months now from my positive covid test fingers crossed on my next test ill have had them a full year, I get tested for covid twice a week at work and at the moment I have declined the vaccination, based on the fact that I already have natural antibodies
How many do you have? Enough to test for, or enough to be effective?
Booster shot??
It is incredulous though when we get an anti vaxxer who has caught the virus and is hit very hard with it, just missing out dying and being left with terrible side effects.
Then claiming how wrong they were and how people shouldnt listen to anti vaxxers that they were once a loud voice in. Its hard not to laugh at them.
They are the only examples that anti-vaxxers might listen to though. I don't care if it takes the infection to make them change their tone, just so long as they do.
Had a fun evening with one of the local anti-vaxxers who haunts the local council's Covid related posts. He insisted I go and read the gov.uk NOIDS report for Covid which would prove that he was right. I went and read it, and then quoted what it said, which funnily enough proved that what he was saying was actually wrong. He's not happy about it.
Whys that Rob? Surely antibodies are better than a proof of vaccine.
I have enough to be over a threshold that has been decided by someone who knows about these things, it says you can be told you don't have any if you don't have enough but if you reach the threshold you are classed as having them , but they aren't specific about numbers
Also, I love it when anti-vaxxers talk to you whilst smoking.
Oakley or those with a mask exemption but they can stand around outside tescos smoking tabs
Can one o you clever peeps please explain?
Why will vaccinated people be allowed to fly abroad get into bars, retaurants etc, as they still pose the same risk of catching and spreading the covid virus?
Oakley or those with a mask exemption but they can stand around outside tescos smoking tabs
I'm finding hard not to just be an outright abrasive **** these days. A friend of mine used to troll me a lot in the pub, in fact - I'm becoming distinctly aware that this friend has been a constant ****ing thorn in my side and I've mentioned her more than once on here - one time she decided to ask me loaded questions about MMR and Autism and I just responded gently at the time.
However, I'm apparently a judgmental prick who reminds her of Rick from Rick and Morty - because when she told me someone she knew nearly died from the Covid, I responded that at least she didn't get autism.
Anyway, we aren't talking now or something.
Why will vaccinated people be allowed to fly abroad get into bars, retaurants etc, as they still pose the same risk of catching and spreading the covid virus?
You mean the same as people with positive antibody tests?
Doesn't make any sense either way. For the foreseeable pcr tests will be the benchmark.
They say we’ve all ‘committed suicide’ (by having the vaccine) that we’re ‘wilfully **** stupid/dumb’ and that they won’t be seeing us again.
To which I would respond with: “Thank God for that, you’ve turned my desire to never want to see your sorry ass ever again into reality! Thank you, don’t let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.” 🤣
He insisted I go and read the gov.uk NOIDS report for Covid which would prove that he was right. I went and read it, and then quoted what it said, which funnily enough proved that what he was saying was actually wrong. He’s not happy about it.
I hope you pressed him relentlessly for a response to those findings. Although personally I'd have added hahahahahahahahahaha on each post directed at him
I hope you pressed him relentlessly for a response to those findings. Although personally I’d have added hahahahahahahahahaha on each post directed at him
He's gone quiet
Can one o you clever peeps please explain?
Why will vaccinated people be allowed to fly abroad get into bars, retaurants etc, as they still pose the same risk of catching and spreading the covid virus?
The anti-vaxxers won't be able to tie their own shoelaces to leave the house in the first place, so the threat to them is minimal in any case. That and trying to avoid being within 500m of a phone mast pretty much rules out contact.
He’s gone quiet
He's blocked you and is continuing to spout his bollocks to people he considers it safe* to do so.
*I.e. people who can't be arsed to check if he's talking bollocks.
Piers Corbyn just got pranked a corker. Oh dear.
In response to Piers Corbyn’s tee shirt, my reply to that is this:
^ Ironically I can well imagine Pier’s flock (unironically) singing that tune:
This time the bullet cold rocked ya
A rainbow instead of a swastika
Nothin' proper about ya propaganda
Fools follow rules when the set commands ya
…
That's how ya got a bullet blasted through ya arm
A bullet in the arm
A bullet in the arm
A bullet in the arm
*edit: beaten to it:
Anti vax friends of mine who weren't really public about there objections have now been jabbed. Unfortunately it took someone close to them sadly passing away for it to hit home. I am glad that they have taken some positive action to protect themselves to a degree.
The strange thing is that many of the people who are taking this view were/are happy to neck all sorts of pills and powders at festivals, raves etc. But a vaccine is somehow a risk they will not take.
However, I’m apparently a judgmental prick who reminds her of Rick from Rick and Morty
I would love to be compared to Rick! You must be proud!
they have taken some positive action to protect themselves
... to protect everyone else.
The strange thing is that many of the people who are taking this view were/are happy to neck all sorts of pills and powders at festivals, raves etc. But a vaccine is somehow a risk they will not take.
It's bizarre, isn't it. "We don't know the long-term effects of the vaccine, it's new!" - sure, but do you have a much greater insight into the long-term effects of covid? Where's your 20 years of analysis on a disease that literally has the year 2019 in its name?
I think a big part of this shambles is that lots of people just want to be contrary.
I think a big part of this shambles is that lots of people just want to be contrary.
For some it seems to be about being edgy and "sticking it to the man". Article on the BBC yesterday about a woman who just didn't think it was right for her and didn't want it because the government were pushing it so hard.
Presumably she'll be OK if she ends up needing to go into intensive care and the government picks up the bill?
I have one covid antivaxxer friend, her reasoning is that she's fit and healthy (although statistically she's in the "Holy shit get vaccinated" risk group), her mate who got covid was fine and the vaccine is still experimental.
The contradiction in using a sample of her mate to determine covid was fine vs the mountains of rigorous testing on the vaccine was lost on her. Also not clear how she'd concluded there were no long term effects from covid.
I think in her case it's some sort of appeal to nature fallacy combined with exceptionalism. She's not particularly evangelical about it, it's an entirely self centred thing. Seems very irresponsible to me when you have kids and a family to make a choice which puts you at orders of magnitude higher risk of not being there for them with good health.
I currently have three family members with covid. A niece on my wife's side who caught in a pub, along with almost everyone else that night apparently, and a niece and nephew on my side. The niece claims to have caught it at work (she's a care worker) but at a random party is far more likely and the nephew caught it from her. All are unvaccinated because they "don't believe in it". At that point I lose all sympathy for them and don't bother engaging them any further as there's no cure for stupid.
You think the Covid antivaxxers are dimwits, just have a read of this, it’s rather terrifying!
https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/08/deep-dive-into-stupid-meet-the-growing-group-that-rejects-germ-theory/
Wow.
Rightwing radio host and anti-vaxxer dies of Covid. Dick Farrel was a vociferous critic of Dr Anthony Fauci and urged people not to get vaccinated.
That's an interesting article ^^^
I've been feeling for some time that the (repeated!) gleeful celebration (schadenfreude, I suppose) when an anti-vax / Covid-denying sod dies due to Covid is very distasteful. But I'm also coming to realise it's probably counter-productive. The good guys need to be accepting of former anti-vaxxers and deniers and welcome them back into reasonable society - not castigate them (and others like them) further.
Another anti-lockdown protest is happening now - you'd think the fact that there is no lockdown might deter them, but no....
Are they expecting trouble? There's quite a few people wearing what appear to be bump caps. The big lad seems keen to keep his gloves on too.
I've a cousin who describes herself as a "sceptic", she's adamant that she's not getting the vaccine because she's got a friend who is an "ecologist" who she trusts who has advised against it. I did suggest that perhaps a virologist or an epidemiologist would be better placed to advise but that one fell on deaf ears. Another friend is a nurse in Brisbane who got laid off just before the pandemic, who has asserted that a) The virus is a hoax, b) The virus is a symptom of 5g internet, c) The virus isn't a hoax but only kills 0.001% of infected people etc...what's interesting is that the scepticism with this one seems to evolve over the months and is anything else but a lethal respiratory virus that's killed members of my own family.
I'm seeing a large overlap on twitter and IRL with Brexiteers, anti-vaxxers, flat-Earthers, climate change sceptics and pro-Trumpers who believe in QANON and conspiracy theorists in general. Some people seem to be especially vulnerable to the guff that's being amplified by graduates of the University of YouTube. After five years of having to sympathetically endure the lowest common denominator I'm so done with these people to the point that if they're intent upon jeopardising their own health I just wish that they'd get on with it and leave everyone else alone.
Funny earlier in that video Piers Corbyn getting lots of hassle for taking supposed AZ hush money in that sting video, oops!
I’m seeing a large overlap on twitter and IRL with Brexiteers, anti-vaxxers, flat-Earthers, climate change sceptics and pro-Trumpers who believe in QANON and conspiracy theorists in general.
I think that's true but I am acquainted with quite a lot of alternative/festival type people who would traditionally be on the kind of left/anarchist part of the political spectrum are buying into it too. Partly aligned with the whole 'wellness' type anti-vax movement etc as well - 'you don't need vaccines just these crystals and this turmeric tea'.
‘you don’t need vaccines just these crystals and this turmeric tea’.
... which we're selling.
Another anti-lockdown protest is happening now
Jesus that's nauseating.
Hang on. Something didn't sit right with that and it's just hit me.
They're protesting against the BBC. Outside the BBC Television Centre. Which closed like a decade ago?
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Also they don’t see the irony in protesting about the “MSM” but get their info from YouTube one of the biggest media sources on the planet
Still there, it's a contract production company place now. The studios, etc., are available for companies to hire and produce their own output. ITV now broadcast live from BBC TV centre (although they only call it Television Centre now)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Television_Centre,_London
If you want to argue with conspiracy theorists, give this forum a shot for a change of topic
https://doppels.proboards.com/board/1/celebrity-doppelgangers
Yes, the url tells you what you need to know
Still there, it’s a contract production company place now. The studios, etc., are available for companies to hire and produce their own output. ITV now broadcast live from BBC TV centre (although they only call it Television Centre now)
But...who's looking after the Blue Peter Garden?
Les Ferdinand
If you want to argue with conspiracy theorists, give this forum a shot for a change of topic
Jesus H Corbett, who chose that colour scheme? My eyes! Come back Geocities, all is forgiven.
Les Ferdinand
I used to work with a guy who had played a couple of first team games for West Ham in his teens before a leg injury ended his career. He reckoned he'd been there as well, but I didn't believe him, till we were in a pub one night and Les Ferdinand rang him on his mobile for a proper matey chat.
To the anti-vaxxers, you're welcome to your views but keep them to yourselves.
Stop spreading your ignorant, uninformed, dangerous lies; for those who continue I hope you catch covid, curl up in a corner and well y'know.
Stop spreading your ignorant, uninformed, dangerous lies
I’m kinda with you on this
If you were foolish enough not to get the vaccine as you believed some nonsense on the internet then I actually have a fair bit of sympathy for you. The stories of dying Americans begging for the vaccine only to be told it’s now too late is heartbreaking
People who actively promote anti vax sentiment however, the people like that aforementioned radio host who has cost lives with their ill informed views, well tbh I don’t really have a lot of sympathy for them.
Yes - While I agree that, in order to "convert" more anti-vaxxers, we need to leave the door open by not pointing and laughing when they finally (FINALLY) see sense........ I also think it's possible to discern between people being victims of disinformation/scaremongering/conspiracy theories, and those who are responsible for it.
The former will receive my sympathy (actually I think pity is probably a better word) - whereas I would love to see the latter be confronted with the consequences of their actions. How many covid deaths are the altright trumpist mouthpieces each directly responsible for?
5,000 deaths? 10,000? At the point you go on TV and tell people not to have their vaccine - surely its in the tens of thousands? Hearing these people's deathbed covid vaccine regrets is absolutely heartbreaking - but I would love to hear one of them say: "I didn't have the vaccine because Tucker Carlson told me not to"
Agree with the sentiments above. There's the gullible and the sociopaths.
I've not yet seen an anti-vaxxer or anti-lockdown proponent make a deathbed statement that their ultimate sacrifice was worth it to avoid vaccine side effects or keep the economy open. I may be doing someone a disservice.
To the anti-vaxxers, you’re welcome to your views but keep them to yourselves.
Stop spreading your ignorant, uninformed, dangerous lies; for those who continue I hope you catch covid, curl up in a corner and well y’know.
Well obviously it does happen, and there are some newspaper storis of anti vaxx who really really wished they'd taken the vaccine, usually as they are croaking out their final days.
They blame all and sundry, the anti vaxx mob themselves, even though they were an integral part of it.
I expect though that the anti vaxx groups reading this will put these individuals as some sort of government plants, offered a nice funeral and compensation to loved ones if they go on record of being anti vaxx and saying how wrong they were.
The darwin awards arent just for people who think its a fab idea to strap a rocket to the back of their pick up.
And even that was an urban myth.
I do wonder about darwinism here - I was going to post words to this effect on the Trump thread.
Certainly in the US there is an almost perfect correlation between being a Trumpist and being an antivaxxer/covid denier. I wonder if deaths/serious illness is going to leave a mark in the polls in some counties/states?
^ the amazing irony is that in the "I am legend" book (which, unlike the film, is fantastic) the vampirism is actually caused by a global pandemic.
No one argues with covidiots quite as eloquently as this guy.
"If you push us too far, you gonna have to attend this ass-whipping." Brilliant.
^ that guy is amazing, and should be in charge of the entire pandemic response. In fact everything, just put him in charge of everything.
Step away from Facebook. That's the problem.
I am an anti-vaxxer and I believe everybody should be entitled to their opinion, especially on a forum
Thank you for stepping forward with your view.
Do you mind if I ask whether you are against all vaccines..... or just the covid ones?
I ask because maybe I can provide you some specific info on the safety/effectiveness of the covid ones - I work in drug development. If it's all vaccines, then I'm probably fighting a losing battle from the outset, and probably shan't bother (sorry - no offence)
Whether you believe that what the government is doing is "coercion" or "encouraging people to do the right thing to prevent people dying" is fundamentally linked to whether you believe that the vaccine (or vaccines generally) work - so unless you are prepared to share your view on that, then there's not much to discuss here really.
I’m not going into why I’m not getting vaxxed because that’s my choice not to
Fine, but people who are vaccinated have the right to not associate with you. That means that pubs, restaurants, etc. have the right to ban anti-vaxxers and schools have the right to refuse to enroll the children of anti-vaxxers. So, sure, enjoy your choice, but do it without imposing your choice on people who have made a different choice. Also, if you do develop a serious case of covid, die at home instead of taking a hospital bed from someone who isn't dying of something they could have avoided by getting a vaccine.
Fine, but people who are vaccinated have the right to not associate with you. That means that pubs, restaurants, etc. have the right to ban anti-vaxxers and schools have the right to refuse to enroll the children of anti-vaxxers. So, sure, enjoy your choice, but do it without imposing your choice on people who have made a different choice. Also, if you do develop a serious case of covid, die at home instead of taking a hospital bed from someone who isn’t dying of something they could have avoided by getting a vaccine
That's absolutely fine, I agree.. segregate us all. segregation, we all know how that turned out. But I agree with you & segregation. vaxxed and unvaxxed should get their own schools, pubs, restaurants that's a great idea. Let's even have an anti vaccined hospitals. Would you agree with this?
If not.. then I still agree but with just one basis, you all pay for it yourselves. If the anti vaxxed are banned from such places then you/government shouldn't get our taxes.
Thank you for stepping forward with your view.
Do you mind if I ask whether you are against all vaccines….. or just the covid ones?
Thanks. 'all vaccines' is such a broad term but I guess you could say I am against it all yes. The fact that it just isn't natural concerns me. If you work in drug development then you are the perfect person for me to ask a question to.
Just two examples, and I don't even want to know the detailed answers. Do you know the chemical make up of the covid vaccines? And also the flu vaccines? Because I am in agreement on the view that of people don't know what's in a vaccine, why on earth are they having them? I do not know the chemical make up of any vaccines and I'm pretty sure 99% of society doesn't either.. including doctors.
If not.. then I still agree but with just one basis, you all pay for it yourselves.
Yep, exactly. Let anti-vaxxers pay to build their own hospitals and try to find enough ant-vax doctors and nurses to staff them. Let them pay to build their own schools and staff them with ant-vax teachers and admin staff, if they can find enough. And let them build their own supermarkets and restaurants and everything else. If they want to pay for it all, good for them. Just don't force any doctors, nurses, supermarket workers, bus drivers, or anyone else who believes in science to interact with them if they don't want to.
But that's not what anti-vaxxers actually want. They want to make their choice but not pay the costs of it. They want their kids to be allowed to attend regular school and they want to be allowed to go to the same bars and restaurants as everyone else.
Do you know the chemical make up of the covid vaccines? And also the flu vaccines?
Do you know the chemical make up of most of the things you eat and drink, and the clothes you wear, and the soaps and detergents you use, and so on? No, of course you don't, that would be utterly impossible to do. What we do know is that there are regulatory agencies who test products for safety. No, of course it's not absolutely 100% foolproof, but modern products are very, very safe compared to even a century ago. I have a general idea about how medicines are developed and tested and I trust that process well enough that I don't have to research the chemical make-up of every medicine I take.
I also think it’s possible to discern between people being victims of disinformation/scaremongering/conspiracy theories, and those who are responsible for it.
For me there needs to be legal consequences for those influencing others to take decisions that provably then causes harm.
Free speech has never been a true free for all, it should have a caveat that you take responsibility for your actions.
But that’s not what anti-vaxxers actually want. They want to make their choice but not pay the costs of it. They want their kids to be allowed to attend regular school and they want to be allowed to go to the same bars and restaurants as everyone else.
If the vaccines work, and do its job then why would anybody who has had the vaccine be worried about any person who hasn't been vaccinated? Makes absolutely no sense to me what the problem is.
Do you know the chemical make up of most of the things you eat and drink, and the clothes you wear, and the soaps and detergents you use, and so on? No, of course you don’t, that would be utterly impossible to do. What we do know is that there are regulatory agencies who test products for safety. No, of course it’s not absolutely 100% foolproof, but modern products are very, very safe compared to even a century ago. I have a general idea about how medicines are developed and tested and I trust that process well enough that I don’t have to research the chemical make-up of every medicine I take.
Thanks for answering my question. So the answer is no. No you don't know the chemical make up of the vaccines you willingly take, yet you expect other people to do the same as you, take things only a very small minority of people know what it truly is.
If you put your life, trust in government agencies great, but how dare anybody moan and criticize other people who have real doubts over their life and safety and decide they don't want to be injected with unknown substances by agencies the government give jobs to.
I do not know the chemical make up of any vaccines and I’m pretty sure 99% of society doesn’t either.. including doctors.
Yeh, a not too dissimilar similar % also do t understand the full composition of a potato either.
Of the many thousands of varieties, all with varying quantities of amylose, amylopectin, phytochemicals, polyphenols, etc etc. The chances of meeting someone with a full grasp of the composition of what they're eating is going to be infitessimally small.
For me there needs to be legal consequences for those influencing others to take decisions that provably then causes harm.
This will never happen, which is unfortunate. As the ones who would have to debate and put this to law and order would be the very people who spend their lives doing it for a living!
What is your objection bliss?
Are you happy to be refused service as a result?
you have the choice to refuse the vaccine. We have the choice to shun your plague ridden arse
If the vaccines work, and do its job then why would anybody who has had the vaccine be worried about any person who hasn’t been vaccinated?
No vaccine for Covid is 100% whether that protection against death or serious illness. The results from trials and studies of vaccinated populations are freely available. Very surprised you would even think the risk would be zero for a subject matter you have an interest in.
This will never happen, which is unfortunate. As the ones who would have to debate and put this to law and order would be the very people who spend their lives doing it for a living!
There is a difference between scientific debate and deliberate spread of provably false information.
If the vaccines work, and do its job then why would anybody who has had the vaccine be worried about any person who hasn’t been vaccinated?
This is a fundamental misunderstanding of how vaccines work.
We can add not waiting for a bus I to this as well.
How many understand the chemical composition of the air they breath waiting for the X57 into town? Which at least has some robust evidence around it.
No vaccine for Covid is 100% whether that protection against death or serious illness. The results from trials and studies of vaccinated populations are freely available. Very surprised you would even think the risk would be zero for a subject matter you have an interest in.
Absolutely agree, so at what percentage wise are you thinking the covid vaccine does it's intented job? And at what percentage of success rate would be acceptable enough to warrant taking the vaccine?
If for example it's 80% effective.. and you have the vaccine and I don't. There would be around the 20 percentage chance I could give you covid right? (If I had it & coughed at you)
But let's say we both had the vaccine, ok? So now we're both at around 80% protected against each other and you are happy I'm vaccinated. Let's just say for example I coughed at you now remembering we both have our vaccines.. there is still a 20 percent chance I could give you covid 😂 your effectiveness doesn't increase just because someone else has been vaccinated or not, the only change is the the vaccinated person/s have an 80% effective vaccine the same as you, instead of the 0
But in our example if we still both had our vaccines we still are 20 percent vulnerable and in your viewpoint we both could catch covid and die from it. So my question is, what's the bloody point?
And to quote your agreement of no vaccine being 100% effective. why bother going outside at all if you vaccinated people are worried so much about catching it? You could still all catch it from each other being vaccinated people in your own pubs and other venues. So it makes absolutely no sense who you come in contact with there is still going to be a risk.
How many understand the chemical composition of the air they breath waiting for the X57 into town? Which at least has some robust evidence around it.
What's that got to do with anything? we need to breathe to survive.. there isn't any other option. But there is an option to not get the vaccine even if the result is death from catching it, bit that's still a choice.
But if you really want to go deep and silly about it, I could say I want all you motor vehicle drivers banned because you are affecting my air pollution..
your effectiveness doesn’t increase just because someone else has been vaccinated or not
It absolutely does increase. You have not accounted for (actually you appear to purposely disregard this) the reduced probability of getting it in the first place. That is one of the most fundamental elements of vaccinating when choosing to vaccinate a population.
But in our example if we still both had our vaccines we still are 20 percent vulnerable and in your viewpoint we both could catch covid and die from it. So my question is, what’s the bloody point?
Same again. By reducing the chances of being exposed in the first place. The more of the population that has protection the risks decline.
You appear to be viewing this through 100% prevalence calculations.
why bother going outside at all if you vaccinated people are worried so much about catching it?
I see this quite often. Its nonsense.
Sorry bliss - I was on a work call
Just two examples, and I don’t even want to know the detailed answers. Do you know the chemical make up of the covid vaccines? And also the flu vaccines? Because I am in agreement on the view that of people don’t know what’s in a vaccine, why on earth are they having them? I do not know the chemical make up of any vaccines and I’m pretty sure 99% of society doesn’t either.. including doctors.
Do I personally know? No I don't.
However (and I don't want to sound snarky here - absolutely not my intention), I also don't know what's in most of the food I eat, the toothpaste I use, or even the lemsip I just had because I've got a cold. I don't know exactly how wifi works, but I still use it.
Taking this line of reasoning one step further: I also know that most oncologists don't know the exact chemical makeup of the chemotherapy that they give to their cancer patients - you can apply that to almost any field of medicine. Do you understand the effect of x-rays on the body? Or when you have one do you read the leaflet that they give you explaining what the risk is, accept what it says, and have the x-ray.
The reason for this is that modern medicine is extremely complex, and it takes literally a lifetime of study and experience to be an expert in a particular area. The system is engineered so that the experts (many of them) are determining whether something is safe/effective for people to take/doctors to prescribe. We don't ask the individual prescribing doctors or (as you are suggesting) the individual patients to understand a lifetimes worth of vaccines development experience before they get their measles vaccination.
I can understand your position as a general principle - that you shouldn't eat something/put something in your body without knowing what it is..... I think we all learned this when Jamie Oliver made turkey twizzlers on telly back in 2001 (or whenever). However, adopting this approach when it comes to Medicine pretty much means that you are never going to take any drugs other than penicillin, aspirin or codeine.
If you get through life achieving that - I will congratulate you.
Here we are - a new virus is killing a lot of people (two people in my own extended family). Its also spreading much faster that the previous variant. The evidence is abundant and very, very clear: The vaccines are effective (but not perfect) at protecting you against serious illness and death.
So let me ask you this: What information would you like about the vaccine in order to feel comfortable getting it? This is not a rhetorical question - what do you want to know?
1) It's all about trust.
You don't know what's in the food you eat, but you still trust the producers enough to eat it
You know (or should know) that there is a slim chance there's E.Coli on the lettuce you eat, but you trust that it's a tiny risk and you need to eat.
You presumably get into a car that could fail and kill you, but you trust that the mechanic who serviced or built it did a good job. Likewise planes.
Society operates on trust, it has to. I don't know what's in the vaccine, and even if I did I wouldn't understand the consequences of those ingredients. However there are people who do, and I trust them and the process they are part of. Why do I trust them? Because like most people, probably including you, I have taken many pharmaceutical drugs in my life for important reasons. And each time I trusted the system that produced them. These drugs have made society healthier and longer lived (despite ourselves) and I see no reason why this vaccine is any different to all the other vaccines that have stamped out or controlled serious diseases.
Your argument of 'I don't know what's in it' just doesn't stack up. I would suggest the real reason you don't want to take it is something else. You may not even understand this yourself.
2) Are you happy to endanger other people?
I didn't want to take the vaccine. The idea made me uncomfortable. But I knew I had to, for the greater good. Without the vaccine, many more people would die and the pandemic would possibly never end. This would be even more of a disaster than it already is. So I stepped up and did the right thing, because my baseline stance is to care about other people. There are vulnerable people who can't take the vaccine. Their lives depend on us taking it.
There is strong precedent for this in society. We accept lmany limitations on our lives. My car does 150mph, do you think I should be allowed to drive it that fast? Clearly not, it's dangerous. The same goes for many other things that I'm not allowed to do. These rules are necessary to protect the general public and most of us accept this and see how it is common sense. Similarly, the vaccine is needed to protect the general public.
Do your bit.
why would anybody who has had the vaccine be worried about any person who hasn’t been vaccinated?
1. Children have not been vaccinated. I don't appreciate people putting my child, or anyone else's child, through ignorance.
2. Vaccines work by preparing your immune system for encounters with the live virus. They don't stop you getting an infection, they prepare your body to fight it so it is much less serious if you do get infected. Vaccinated people are at much lower risk, but vaccines don't make you invulnerable. On top of that, viruses mutate constantly. With a large unvaccinated population, the number of infections and rate of mutation will be higher. Newer variants will eventually evolve that are more resistant to the current vaccines, so updated vaccines will be needed. That doesn't mean the vaccines aren't working, it's a reflection of how they work.
Re the vaccine efficacy, it's about maths. It dramatically reduces the chances of catching the virus, which means you are then far less likely to pass it on. This reduces the R number below 1.0 which means the pandemic will go away (although the disease won't go away completely).
The more unvaccinated people there are, the more the virus will continue to circulate and kill people.