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I have just been sent this article that tries to explain why people still get infected after vaccination:
It seemed relatively sensible to me, but I'd like someone with more coffee in their veins (and more experience in stats) to assess it as well. @TiRed?
Take the flu jab ?
Never bothered myself as getting it was a rare occurrence. Bring on Autumn 2019. Started feeling very rough doing 'The Beast' at Coed Y Brenin and had to cut the loop slightly short. Roll on next day, full blown flu and off work for a good week, off bike for at least two weeks. This was late October.
Move to December and I was ill again with 'something' which really affected my breathing and was off work a good week, cancelled all Xmas doo's and off bike a month.
Now I come into contact with 'students' so that was my decision to get the jab for Autumn 2020, wasn't going through that again, lost too much time on the bike. Of course it all changed, but I still got my flu jab.
Better look into the next jab soon before I'm back 'at work'. I really don't get the anti vaxxers. For me getting ill twice was enough to get a jab
Just registered with Lloyds for my free jab - beat the queue if you register online. Free for us over 50's.
I have just been sent this article that tries to explain why people still get infected after vaccination:
Because the vaccine wasn't intended to stop you getting infected, is the answer as I understand it.
I like the Finland theory, sounds like it was invented by bored parents to bam up their kid. Not that I've ever done that...
It seemed relatively sensible to me
Me too. Then I realised I’d only had decaf this morning. This is a revelation (not that vaccinated admissions are getting higher than unvaccinated because of breakthrough infections, but that I possible process things more readily without caffeine)
Great link thnks. Good animation also. Sadly it will still prove to be no ‘kryptonite’ for most University Of Youtube ‘Conspiracy’ undergraduates
There is no arguing with anti vaxxers and this BBC report I found incredibly depressing on several levels
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-58169327?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=6113b3ea0589ce35e4a6e99b%26Grieving%20son%20%27bombarded%27%20with%20anti-vaccine%20abuse%262021-08-11T12%3A47%3A27.034Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:e6c51919-c864-449a-a41f-cd6093fe7892&pinned_post_asset_id=6113b3ea0589ce35e4a6e99b&pinned_post_type=share
I know Marcus (guy in the link @StuE posted) I'm off social media, so I guess missing stories like this is fairly inevitable. Sad to see he's ill, can't say I'm overly surprised at his anti vax views....it's actually reasonably prevalent in mlthe circle of musos I know unfortunately. By that, I mean more prevalent than the level of vaccine uptake nationally suggests that it would/should be.
My mum is a double jabbed Staffordshire resident....we've all had Covid over that past fortnight. Unfortunately my mum is getting worse day on day at the minute. I'm actually starting to worry a bit 😔
So this world is divided into people who share your views and stupid people? Nice.
It's not about "views". Their views, your views, my views, they're worth shit. It's about actual science versus making things up. Once more with feeling: vaccination is not new, it predates our great-grandparents.
After five years of arguing about brexit I am however getting a bit bored now of moron apologists. Rather than tip-toeing round the notion that morons walk amongst us, might our efforts not be better spent acknowledging and and accepting that some people are morons and working out how to get around that?
There seems to be some sort of reverse-DK effect going on where allegedly smart people assume that everyone else is equally capable. Have we learned nothing?
After five years of arguing about brexit I am however getting a bit bored now of moron apologists. Rather than tip-toeing round the notion that morons walk amongst us, might our efforts not be better spent acknowledging and and accepting that some people are morons and working out how to get around that?
It's amazing how many really clever people are unable to convince "morons" to agree with them
It’s amazing how many really clever people are unable to convince “morons” to agree with them
It's really amazing how many people can't be convinced by science and yet will believe what they want to hear even if it's based on nothing.
I have anti vax family - they are well known in the family for just being obtuse to be seen to be edgy...... There's a fair bit of that going around as well .....
Because because,
Being sceptical is good, it is healthy, it should be encouraged. Far too many people believe any old shit. I was in the sandwich shop yesterday and the bloke in front of me was waving a £50 note around and mouthing on about how your birth certificate is printed on the same paper as money, so it's a bond, so that means it's worth .1% of GDP. And the guy in front of him was like "wow, every day's a school day."
But if you're sceptical about something then you should look into it, ask questions. Then you do one of three things depending on how much of a light breeze is blowing between your ears:
1) You come to understand how vaccination works.
2) You accept that you'll never understand how vaccination works and put your trust in people who do.
3) You hit the Internet screaming about "natural", "chemicals", mercury, 5G, Big Pharma, dead babies and Bill Gates, with a side order of testing and long-term effects.
We know how vaccines work. Jenner came up with it in the 1700s. This is not new. We've eradicated or near-eradicated multiple really nasty diseases over the years. The CV2 vaccine was brought to market quickly because, y'know, global pandemic and all that, by dint of a LOT of people working on it in parallel utilising technology we've had for decades. It was tested on tens of thousands of actual human volunteers before it was approved for public use.
Just my view. Obvs. Nothing to do with demonstrable and readily googlable science.
It’s amazing how many really clever people are unable to convince “morons” to agree with them
It really is. Again, see brexit. Remain tried to appeal to the head. Leave appealed to the heart. Look what happened.
And we're still doing it. I just did it back there. If we want to win over the morons, we have to do what Aaron Banks did masterfully which is learn how to speak Moron. "Well, I was hesitant, until granny caught it and died" is likely to win over more morons than acting like Mr Logic in Viz. But whilst I've moved in many diverse circles over the years, Moron isn't one of them so I'm not well versed in doing it.
It’s amazing how many really clever people are unable to convince “morons” to agree with them
Not really no.
You’re talking about convincing someone that there perception of the world is wrong. That’s a hard ask in person for someone that’s trained their entire life to do so.
With Anti-Vaxxers It’s closer to de-radicalisation than it is having a healthy discussion where provision of a few facts can change someone’s mind.
sadly it only takes a single doubt to be sewn, and it lingers for ever. doesn't matter if it's a genuine doubt or one made up and seeded by a moron.
even now, that one doubt about MMR a quarter of a century ago persists. and it will persist for eternity.
scientists may be experts in their field, but it is totally impossible for an expert to fully debunk or prove otherwise any made up doubt. at least not while there are still morons about. because the moment they provide 100% perfect convincing evidence, there will be one more moron that will say "but..."
PS and I don't put "" around morons
.Remain tried to appeal to the head. Leave appealed to the heart. Look what happened.
Who was smarter then?
PS and I don’t put “” around morons
I do, it's an unnecessary and not based in fact
Insulting people doesn't have a good track record of convincing people of the merits of an opposing view.
It’s amazing how many really clever people are unable to convince “morons” to agree with them
Have you never heard of cognitive biases or how brains work then? Much easier to appeal to system 1 thinking than system 2 thinking, sadly. See populists everywhere.
The real problem with many people labelled as "sceptics", is that they aren't sceptical enough, they are gullible. They don't ask enough searching questions of those providing them with "views" and "opinions". They jump onboard bandwagons led by grifters and manipulators, while, without a trace of irony, labelling those unwilling to do so as "sheeple". 🤷🏻
Yup. As before, the abuse I've received on twitter from people after I'd tweeted about losing family to covid shocked me, there are folks out there who are devoid of empathy:
"Life goes on"
Persistent covid-sceptic tosser.
"People like YOU are the problem".
Hitchens pile-on
"sorry about your mum, but I..."
Lots of people die from respiratory diseases, you've been a bit unfortunate.
Have you never heard of cognitive biases or how brains work then? Much easier to appeal to system 1 thinking than system 2 thinking, sadly. See populists everywhere.
And the clever people can't adapt to this? Do the insults "morons" etc not work???
The real problem with many people labelled as “sceptics”, is that they aren’t sceptical enough, they are gullible. They don’t ask enough searching questions of those providing them with “views” and “opinions”. They jump onboard bandwagons led by grifters and manipulators, while, without a trace of irony, labelling those unwilling to do so as “sheeple”.
I agree, part of the problem is that the state and it's institutions will always try and cover up mistakes which then gives these manipulators a space in which to operate and a false legitimacy
Yup. As before, the abuse I’ve received on twitter from people after I’d tweeted about losing family to covid shocked me, there are folks out there who are devoid of empathy:
My sympathies for your loss. The sad aspect of social media is that people see it as a part of a war against this that or the other when there are real people relating events that are personal tragedy. It's grim, but not reflective of everyone nor of real life.
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And the clever people can’t adapt to this? Do the insults “morons” etc not work???
What by becoming similarly cynical and manipulative? That sounds like a race to the bottom.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000yl49
Has this been posted already? The Nolan Show episode on CTs and posing the question: calling time on them.
#wibble gets a mention. A group that answers nonsense with nonsense and tries to report everything they can on social media to make it vanish.
What by becoming similarly cynical and manipulative? That sounds like a race to the bottom.
Or you adapt and overcome....
If I was clever enough I'd be working on how to change the mind of "morons". Unfortunately I don't have the answer, I can however observe what appears not to work.
Yup. As before, the abuse I’ve received on twitter from people after I’d tweeted about losing family to covid shocked me, there are folks out there who are devoid of empathy:
I don't think it's the case that they are devoid of empathy, rather their anger over-rides the empathy. This come down to differences of opinions. For example just look at the way I've been spoken to, for expressing a different view to the narrative. The more anger is involved the less empathy anyone has for another person especially if they are being personally targeted for their opinions. Nobody deserves hate, regardless of what they believe. So maybe the answer lies with having empathy for other people opinions? In turn that would solve the anger and abuse issue.
But whilst I’ve moved in many diverse circles over the years, Moron isn’t one of them so I’m not well versed in doing it.
I've done my own research and you've been on this forum a loooong time, so I reckon you are pretty well versed in dealing with morons🤣
An anti-vaxxer lied to the research team on Jeremy Vine's radio show today to get onto the show.
He then started going on about BBC lying to the public & being puppets of the New World Cartel or something equally ridiculous.
He was quoting 1500 deaths in England caused by the vaccine that the BBC isn't reporting, which apparently is related to some yellow card reporting system & not really any proof of deaths from the virus.
I was a bit disappointed that Jeremy Vine didn't ask any questions, such as 'what is the point of this supposed death vaccine? etc. They talked to him for a bit & then switched caller.
bliss
I don’t think it’s the case that they are devoid of empathy, rather their anger over-rides the empathy. This come down to differences of opinions. For example just look at the way I’ve been spoken to, for expressing a different view to the narrative.
But you need to back-up your opinion with some kind of fact based information to prove that you are correct & other people are wrong.
You haven't done any of that. I think that's why people were getting frustrated with your responses.
There was a guy on the radio earlier who had lost his Mum, Dad & Brother (or maybe best mate, I can't remember) to Covid. They had all refused the vaccine because of scare mongering articles they had read on social media. The parents were both in ill-health already & basically contracting Covid was their death sentence.
FWIW, I've got a mate who somewhat hilariously used to pump his body full of the recreational drugs of choice all weekend, every weekend in his younger years. There weren't many weekends he wasn't off his tits at a rave somewhere.
But, now he is a very vocal anti-vaxxer on Facebook pasting links to the latest hog-wash nonsense about global conspiracies, poison, anti-establishment, sheeple etc.
But he had no issue buying a completely unknown substance from a shady bloke in the corner of a nightclub or field week after week after week and snorting it up his nose or swallowing it.
So maybe the answer lies with having empathy for other people opinions? In turn that would solve the anger and abuse issue.
You'll see from my tweets that I'm not aggressive with my language. Frankly, anyone who goes out of their way to pick an argument with me as a result of me tweeting about the death from covid of my mother an uncle can expect to be told to f off both online and IRL.
If you're attempting to tell me that I should keep my grief to myself just to avoid upsetting someone whose conspiracy theory opinion might motivate them to make utterly crass comments along the lines of the examples that I've shared then I'd quite happily take a moderator banhammer here and tell you to f off too.
Oh and this:
But you need to back-up your opinion with some kind of fact based information to prove that you are correct & other people are wrong. You haven’t done any of that. I think that’s why people were getting frustrated with your responses.
Bliss : So maybe the answer lies with having empathy for other people opinions?
I’ll save my empathy for those affected by your misguided and ill informed choices, your opinion and ignorance on vaccination refusal against this virus means the grand sum of ****-all to me
for expressing a different view to the
narrative.science
I don't agree with the insults however it's beyond a narrative, the science supports the vaccine program
Those who choose to disbelieve the science are increasing the risks for the rest of the population. This upsets those who have lost friends and family as well as those with vulnerable people close to them understandably. In addition the impact on the non vaccinated of the virus is pulling on the health resources which impacts those with the rest of the problems that hospitals exist to help with.
I am not sure why you believe it's not for you, but I'd urge you to join the collective effort and get vaccinated.
Nobody deserves hate, regardless of what they believe
how does that square with membership of the National Front.
and have you been to finland?
But you need to back-up your opinion with some kind of fact based information to prove that you are correct & other people are wrong.
I absolutely don't, have to do anything. Why are you under the assumption that I need to explain anything? I never once spoke about facts. I spoke of my opinion , I have no desire to change how other people live their life or to change their opinions to mine. Adults shouldn't act this way. It's only upto an individual to 'prove' something if they intend to change someone's opinion.
Me however, I came here to express my opinion. Besides I never once was asked why I hold my opinions or any part opinion.
What your friend does in his spare time is his concern, maybe you are granted an opinion based on his behavior, but why you are bothered about it I don't understand. Shouldn't people be left alone to live the life they desire?
that's why your opinion is worthless
I pleaded with my mother not to get the vaccine
bliss wrote...
If you’re attempting to tell me that I should keep my grief to myself just to avoid upsetting someone whose conspiracy theory opinion might motivate them to make utterly crass comments
No, I'd never do that. I was explaining that I feel anger is the reason why opposing views can't hold much empathy for one another. You just made a good example of why I hold that view. If everybody held empathy for each other's right of opinion then there would be no anger. This obviously comes down to selfishness.. everyone feels their opinions are right and get angry at opposition, it's only human to want everyone to hold their opinions but life doesn't work that way.
Empathy is all we can hope for.
Besides I never once was asked why I hold my opinions or any part opinion.
Urm....
Are you sure. I had a look back and stopped looking after counting 3 times you were asked why(and selectively replied without answer the why componant)
Besides I never once was asked why I hold my opinions or any part opinion.
Can I ask nicely why you aren't getting vaccinated?
that’s why your opinion is worthless
It is worth something which is why it is worth understanding. Shouting people down doesn't change their minds, it often reinforces their beliefs.
I absolutely don’t, have to do anything.
@bliss
I thought you'd stomped off to sulk, what brought you back?
If you want to convince anyone to agree with you, you need to show some evidence supporting your views.
If you want to convince anyone that you're not just a troll, you need to explain why you came back after announcing your departure.
I don’t agree with the insults however it’s beyond a narrative, the science supports the vaccine program
Like many, I do not believe in science, especially modern science, it's a corrupt industry and I refuse to listen to any of it.
that’s why your opinion is worthless
I never said it wasn't? But regardless.. it's my opinion.
I pleaded with my mother not to get the vaccine
bliss wrote…
Yes, I'm still upset about her decision but I respect it, spoke to her today and it looks like a third vaccination is on its way due. I tell her my concerns & she tells me hers.. we respect each other's decision.
Maybe the question to Bliss:
Why don't you believe the science (regarding the vaccine and Covid)?
Please explain as from what I have read from the above posts, quite a few people have posted some links to evidence or actual evidence that science is good, whereas you have just said you don't believe it (but not why).
For what it's worth I am happy to follow the science. I get vaccinated when there is a disease that I would like protection against, I don't eat McDonalds because there isn't anything healthy in it. The same goes for KFC. Never taken drugs bought from a bloke on the street. I have a mobile phone despite some fears of brain frying, and I do know (not through experience) that if you put your fingers in a 240V socket it will hurt (a lot).
If you want to convince anyone to agree with you, you need to show some evidence supporting your views.
I don't want to convince anybody of anything why do you assume I do? To random people on the internet?
Like many, I do not believe in science, especially modern science,
Wow
I don’t want to convince anybody of anything why do you assume I do?
I pleaded with my mother not to get the vaccine
I never once spoke about facts
So maybe you could answer my long and thoughtful response to your alleged ‘fact’ about ‘undertakers?’. Let’s get to the bottom of that ‘fact’?
That wasn’t rhetorical btw. Answer in long gratefully accepted,
I don’t want to convince anybody of anything why do you assume I do?
I pleaded with my mother not to get the vaccine
Wow just wow.
Can I ask nicely why you aren’t getting vaccinated?
Thank you, finally a direct question.. so yeah I believe in a few things and they will sound bizarre to the average citizen but as you asked kindly I will explain.
Firstly it starts with the over population problem we have on the planet, it's been known for hundreds of years that we are over populated and it just can not continue this way.
I believe there are attempts to depopulate the planet and one of the biggest ways is with the vaccine, first I believe they created a little problem I.E covid. It comes down to the problem, reaction, solution theory. This is the only way you can get citizens to willingly do something in their favor.
Ok so they created covid so society would panic, and ultimately get the vaccine that would eventually depopulate.
I believe the vaccines have been created to do a verity of different things. One being to alter people's DNA , to cause immune system disorders, to cause fertility issues in women (no more birth rates) mental illness, heart problems and ultimately a shut down of bodily organs. Yes it's a serious opinion I hold, to cause mass death to control population issues.
I also believe cancer is man made due to the very same reason, we can look back at history and find many situations of failed attempts at population control, I.E black death, fire of London, WW1 , WW2 etc etc.
So you or someone else will ask why they would want to depopulate the earth? It's simple. For control.. it's easier to control fewer people without resistance. A teacher would find it easier to control a class of 5 pupils than a class of 25, the same theory applies here.
I believe a new world order is happening and has been planned for years. They want a cashless society, microchipped humans and a worldwide one world government. This will be the mark of the beast and the start of the end of civilization.
That's the short of it. Anymore questions?
bliss
I don’t want to convince anybody of anything why do you assume I do?
erm....
I pleaded with my mother not to get the vaccine
I told my mother she has just committed suicide by getting her 2nd shot.
OK. So, you believe the vaccine is ".....very dangerous & life threatening by design", but you can present NO proof of that.
You aren't trying to convince anybody of anything yet you pleaded with your mother to not get the vaccine, and then told her she had just committed suicide by getting her 2nd shot!!
This is the kind of thing that's dangerous. You have no proof or evidence that the vaccine is dangerous or life threatening, but are telling people that it is. Most people will just ignore you, but some people might hear your opinion - not fact, but opinion, and be swayed by it. If they hear it from enough sources, it might sow a seed of doubt that means they won't get the vaccine 'just in case that bliss bloke knew what he was on about'. Then they might contract Covid & die. Because of someone's opinion, which has no validity whatsoever, as you have no proof or evidence that it is '.....very dangerous & life threatening by design'.
bliss
Like many, I do not believe in science, especially modern science, it’s a corrupt industry and I refuse to listen to any of it.
Science is quite a broad topic. Which bit of modern science don't you believe in?
Evolution? Modern physics? Biology? Chemistry?
Presumably you believe in the internet, so you believe in all of the technology behind that & the science required to make it work? Electricity? Semi-conductors? Optical fibres? Satellites?
Do you drive? Or use a train? Or an aircraft? How about all the science in modern transport systems? Flight theory? The science of propulsion systems? Radar? Material science? High temperature alloys, rubbber, fuels?
You drink water? Do you understand the complete cycle of water purification from reservoir to tap, or do you only get your water from a natural source & filter it yourself through a muslin cloth, before boiling it?
Central heating? Does your home have it? Do you understand how your boiler works & how the gas comes out of the ground & ends up in the pipe that fires your boiler. The same question stands for gas & electricity.
I don't believe in modern science is a nonsensical statement.
Anymore questions?
Yep
I believe the vaccines have been created to do a verity of different things. One being to alter people’s DNA , to cause immune system disorders, to cause fertility issues in women (no more birth rates) mental illness, heart problems and ultimately a shut down of bodily organs. Yes it’s a serious opinion I hold, to cause mass death to control population issues.
How would you rate your current knowledge of medical science, specifically immunology?*
#nogishgallop
*Actually do you know what science is? I’m not being funny here. In my dealings with social media trolls there have been many innocent people who still yet in 2021 have not the first clue what science is. They would describe themselves as ‘knowledgable skeptics’ but are instead low-info especially ignorant gullible cynics with zero knowledge of science.
@blis who are “they”? And where does the line stop, how do you cross this line? Because there would have to be so many people in on it, how would it be possible to keep “it” a secret.
Ah! the ubiquitous "they", who are they ? come on name names! (beaten to it 😀 )
Well we have an answer.
It's clear bliss doesn't want to change his position.
If he's not trying to convince us to join his opinion, time to just leave each other alone.
That’s the short of it. Anymore questions?
a lot of 'science' in there. thought you didn't believe in science...
that Dr Fauci looks a wrong un, Whitty looks well dodgy too (probably turned Boris into a Zombie).
So there you have it - faith/belief vs science/logic/fact.
Has anyone seen chewk recently ? Sounds like "they" could be his reptilian overlords he harps on about.
#professionaltroll
Hey, if there is another level of life, I want in, maybe they have developed gearbox bikes that work well, and have forks with a supple top end; but with decent mid stroke support, if they can manipulate the entire world to their whim, those must be simple problems to overcome.
bliss
Ok so they created covid so society would panic, and ultimately get the vaccine that would eventually depopulate.
I believe the vaccines have been created to do a verity of different things. One being to alter people’s DNA , to cause immune system disorders, to cause fertility issues in women (no more birth rates) mental illness, heart problems and ultimately a shut down of bodily organs. Yes it’s a serious opinion I hold, to cause mass death to control population issues.
I'm sorry. This makes no sense.
Why would 'they' not just let Covid rip & use that as the method of de-population?
Rather than having lock-down, masks, worldwide travel restrictions & billions spent on a vaccine they could just do none of that, let it spread throughout the world and watch as the de-population occurs?
Proper question. Why create a vaccine to do all the things you suggest?
It would be easier for these bent scientists who are in on the depopulation thing, to engineer a 'new' pandemic every couple of years & just take people out with that.
"Sorry everyone, we has no vaccine for this one and millions will die....."
Just...wow...it's always some sort of "they / them" without explanation or context. I really would be risking a ban if I gave my considered response.
Anyone fixed the killfile yet?
there would have to be so many people in on it, how would it be possible to keep “it” a secret.
This.
I’ve tried so many times with this.
Eg: ‘your phone is listening to you all the time’
How many people would be required to listen in to all the phones in Britain, never mind the whole world? How would you employ all those people and keep it quiet? Any time I’ve posed those questions, the subject has immediately been changed. Every. Single. Time.
Can also be used for ‘how many people would need to know about it before you could fake the moon landings?’ Etc.
@blis who are “they”? And where does the line stop, how do you cross this line? Because there would have to be so many people in on it, how would it be possible to keep “it” a secret.
They are, what I call the showdown government. The real government who use our politicians as puppets.
So many people in on it? Hardly true.. as we have already discussed on this topic, the only people that would know are the people who make the vaccines who would actually work for them in the first place.
What a fruitloop.
Douglas Adams had this one nailed:
“Now it is such a bizarrely improbable coincidence that anything so mind-bog-gglingly useful could have evolved purely by chance that some thinkers have chosen to see it as the final and clinching proof of the non-existence of God.
The argument goes something like this: I refuse to prove that I exist,' says God,for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing.'
But,' says Man,The Babel fish is a dead giveaway, isn't it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves you exist, and so therefore, by your own arguments, you don't. QED.'
Oh dear,' says God,I hadn't thought of that,' and promptly vanished in a puff of logic.
`Oh, that was easy,' says Man, and for an encore goes on to prove that black is white and gets
himself killed on the next zebra crossing.”
He is a troll.
- New account
- Loads of argumentative bile
- Coming back for more and more.
I believe a new world order is happening and has been planned for years. They want a cashless society, microchipped humans and a worldwide one world government. This will be the mark of the beast and the start of the end of civilization.
He's just chucking in random conspiracies now. He'll be flat earthing next just to get a reaction.
Stop feeding him.
I know of one person who got seriously ill, and my mates younger sisters, one with a newborn (all unvaccinated), all tested positive the other day, all feel rough as chuff apparently and baby not feeding too well. They think they got it from going to the baby shower....
They were kinda anti-vax until this happened, and the latest text he got from the new mother, and I quote
"she seems to be over the worst of it now, but I'm so upset, I'm deffinatley getting the vaccine now, I need to protect us."
Makes you think 🙄
Why would "they" create covid which does a pretty good job of reducing the population and then create a vaccine that cures it...to reduce the population?
Sorry but that whole post is just straight up crackpot nonsense with which there is no point arguing.
They are, what I call the showdown government. The real government who use our politicians as puppets.
may I refer you to the antisemitic point of no return.
get help.
They are, what I call the showdown government. The real government who use our politicians as puppets.
There is some element of truth in this, but the are called “Tory Party Donors” and they hide in plain sight.
Don't STW ban accounts that are clearly just trolls?
Please stop...just utter nonsensical gibberish
You reckon the vaccine will cause mental illness? I hate to break it to you.....
Getting the liquid directly into people’s body would be the most effective way for results, ‘they’ need a reason for people to willingly take the vaccine, so first they create a problem.
People don't tend to like injections for obvious reasons.
If there was a goverment conspiracy to kill certain demographics off, it would be far more efficient to poison the carling and fosters beer supply chains.
@blis who are “they”?
The answer to this ^^^^^ should clear this up. I've heard 'they' used a lot in similar conversations lately, I'm yet to find out who 'they' actually are and how anyone with these beliefs found out themselves, and don't even think about using the 'do your own research' answer I've heard every time I ask who 'they' are
I really hope Mark and co have more of a life than to be reading this.......but if they are I'd say it could/should be your civic duty to remove the conspiracy theory style posts. I'm pretty certain this one is just a (bad) troll bored before Newsround is on telly but personally, I'd not be happy with this sort of guff knock about on my server to be found. Not just ban the account but remove the posts too. There will be/are vulnerable people out there trawling around trying to find confirmation of 'others out there' with as daft ideas as this one pretends to have. I'd not want to be responsible for be a sauce of more muppetry. This is just flat earth wazzokery which is relatively harmless; this is about persuading people to put themselves is harms way. It doesn't really matter is it's a troll or a nutter who actually believes it posting it. It's genuinely harmful.
I'm all for freedom of speech but it's your ball and I reckon you can take it home any time you like.
Don’t STW ban accounts that are clearly just trolls?
Need to give them a bit of rope first, theres just no sport in an insta-ban 😀
Hey, don't rip into Bliss - he/she does make the odd salient point about respecting others views and engaging with people we don't agree with.
The content is nonsense but it is interesting to hear that perspective - bonkers as it is, and we all know it is.
Why create a vaccine to do all the things you suggest?
It would be easier for these bent scientists who are in on the depopulation thing, to engineer a ‘new’ pandemic every couple of years & just take people out with that.
“Sorry everyone, we has no vaccine for this one
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Best.