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I also don’t know of any undertakers who have expressed an increase of workload.
Know a lot of undertakers do you?
Hospitals have never been so quiet and empty during this pandemic
I'm slightly amazed that this needs pointing out, but not every hospital bed is the same. Hospitals have also cancelled a lot of elective (i.e. non-emergency) activity to divert resources towards providing more capacity for covid cases, as well as telling a lot of people to only come to hospital in case of emergency.
I'm curious as to whether the 'no atheists in foxholes' principle applies here. If you were in some sort of accident or got ill to the point of requiring medical intervention to save your life, would you crack out this same set of principles? Or is it a more pragmatic approach to wilful ignorance?
Has to be a troll..
If it is, it's one with a very sick sense of humour. I note that it's a new account too. I'm open to them being genuine, but if it is a troll then it goes against forum rules.
But that’s just not true is it? Hospitals have never been so quiet and empty during this pandemic. I also don’t know of any undertakers who have expressed an increase of workload.
But in case you’re not - read this (in fact I think it should be required reading). Jim Down, the author, might have few choice words for your shell-like:
https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/443/443109/life-support/9780241506318.html
posted it again. bliss is firmly in the danger to themselves and others camp....
whats your view on climate change? does finland exist?
Definite troll, don't fall for it.
I’m obviously upset by her decision but mass genocide will be a natural selection.
How long until the vaccines start killing people? Are we talking days, weeks, months or years here?
posted it again.
I'm dead curious, what is up with Denver International Airport?
Kill file please.
I’m dead curious, what is up with Denver International Airport?
not sure but I just had to look up the finland one...
I tried, I really did. But I’m ooooot.
I think Bliss is a troll.
But…. On the off chance your not: seek help mate, you’re not well.
Are we talking days, weeks, months or years here?
I can answer this. Its actually possible to calculate the average time to death based on age. So currently if you are 50 years old the vaccine will kill you, on average, in 31.26 years time.
For some reason it kills men slightly quicker than women.
I don’t care if this gets me put on the naughty step
@bliss you’re a troll or a ‘kin dangerous moron
what is up with Denver International Airport?
Looks like a swastika if you take a look on Google maps satellite view.
You all shout troll… but maybe just maybe this individual is being entirely genuine, and is in fact just not very intelligent
Plenty of example of these people round the world, they are filling up hospital beds in the US at a fairly horrific rate
And there it is..
I told myself I would join in the topic and debate until I get personally attacked or get called a troll. I knew I'd be the minority of opinion but I don't expect adults to act this way just because someone holds a different view to them. I knew it wouldn't be long before the personal name calling became evident.
So I leave this here.. have a good week all.
I’m dead curious, what is up with Denver International Airport?
oh oh I know this one! (I had to look it up the other day) There's (in no particular order) A demonically possessed horse statue that's been erected on the site of a Indian graveyard (obviously). There's a tunnel to NORAD (over 90 miles a way) the murals on the walls are covered (if you know what to look for) with pictures of the crypto fascists' new world order and penis worship...
Oh and some people think the runway layout resembles a swastika!
It's fast become one of my all time favourite conspiracy theories
I do believe they have been created harmful by design
To what end? What do the overlords gain from killing off the likes of me/not killing off the likes of you?
And there it is..
I told myself I would join in the topic and debate until I get personally attacked or get called a troll. I knew I’d be the minority of opinion but I don’t expect adults to act this way just because someone holds a different view to them. I knew it wouldn’t be long before the personal name calling became evident.
So I leave this here.. have a good week all.
What did you honestly expect when you’ve provided ZERO credible evidence?
As someone who shall not be named once said “Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence…”
Oh and some people think the runway layout resembles a swastika!
You have to squint admittedly
I don’t expect adults to act this way just because someone holds a different view to them
to be fair most have no issue with it if you can back it up with some kind of fact based or even semi fact based reasoning.
so far your here throwing out nonsensical controversial statements and claims with no reasoning and expecting no rebuttal - then after all that spinning it round and looking for sympathy on the rebuttal .
classic troll playbook that.
Yup I'm saying troll too. Ignore.
I knew it wouldn’t be long before the personal name calling became evident.
because you behaved like a troll, what did you think was going to happen?
It’s fast become one of my all time favourite conspiracy theories
i'm quite taken with the finland one.
I think he's given up and will probably go away if we just ignore him.
I knew I’d be the minority of opinion but I don’t expect adults to act this way just because someone holds a different view to them.
You knew that this would be an emotive subject for those of us who've lost loved ones to Covid too. You also know that there's a gulf of difference between a strongly held opinion and a verifiable fact.
your here throwing out nonsensical controversial statements and claims with no reasoning and expecting no rebuttal
Precisely this, there have been a number of questions inviting you to explain your opinion but instead we've seen a number of claims from you. The forum adults would've appreciated some evidence to support your statements, but a number of quite pertinent questions went unanswered.
i’m quite taken with the finland one.
I work with a Finn. Or do I? Admittedly I've not met him for real for about 18 months so maybe it's an elaborate hoax.
I've also just spotted WayFair right at the top. I always knew they were dodgy for some reason I just couldn't put my finger on why.
i’m quite taken with the finland one.
Yea well, that one's true obviously, no-one's ever been to Finland
I’m quite taken with the finland one.
Me too, I've a family member who is prone to the odd batshit conspiracy theory and who is herself half-Finnish. I might slip this one into conversation just to see what happens.
I would like to humbly apologise for giving him the benefit of the doubt earlier. Trouble is that there appear to be a lot of people who genuinely hold extreme batshit conspiracy views and are simply expressing them, even though they are so ludicrous that trolling would be the most obvious explanation.
At the risk of being a little unkind, I don’t think the phrase “ignorance is bliss’ has ever been more fitting.
Made me chuckle.
Joined 2/8/21. We can probably guess who it is/was.
The Finland one is marvellous, and "makes me think" my Finnish neighbour is in on it, I mean, where does he go if it's not real?
Flat Earth still my favourite..
I'm confused so is getting just the one jab or the J&J single dose vaccine OK then ? Also when are 40 or so million people in the UK going to drop dead ? Is it going be like the Rapture ?
I’ve also just spotted WayFair right at the top. I always knew they were dodgy for some reason I just couldn’t put my finger on why.
Yep, the white rabbits are a dead giveaway.
I also don’t know of any undertakers who have expressed an increase of workload.
I don't know any undertakers but my brother in law works as a probate executive for a firm of solicitors. While most of the firm were fuloughed/laid off he was kept on because probate was so busy due to the number of people dying.
Joined 2/8/21. We can probably guess who it is/was.
Sprung to my mind also but I prefer to have chocolate on my cappuccino as oppose to the alternative
i’m quite taken with the finland one.
Yes, never heard of it. Am saving it for afterhours.
Joined 2/8/21. We can probably guess who it is/was.
Presumably the mods can see if this was posted from an IP address that has been used by other members? @Drac care to check?
Either way, it seems best to ignore.
i’m quite taken with the finland one.
Me too, fascinating. I have to say though there are other things just above the speculation line that I would personally place much higher.
But that’s just not true is it? Hospitals have never been so quiet and empty during this pandemic. I also don’t know of any undertakers who have expressed an increase of workload.
This is a corker.... why do you think hospitals were quiet? Maybe because all other treatments and issues were cancelled or postponed!?
My wife is a consultant on a cancer ward, where they had to postpone all but the very essential treatments due to COVID, and many of her staff were re-purposed to COVID wards. She is paid for her 40 hour week, but works 85+ hours a week trying to catch up and get her patients the treatment they need. She was warned by her own HR team that there was only one day last month she hadn't logged into her work laptop. She has sat up til 3-4am before then going to work at 7am to make sure all her patients were booked in for treatment. Her radiotherapy machines used to run from 8am to 5pm, Monday to Friday, they now run 12 hours a day, 7 days a week, and they still are struggling to catch up on treatments.
All that while she watched her own aunt (who was buried on Friday) died of bone cancer on her ward, which had spread to her liver and lymph nodes, as she hadn't wanted "to trouble the hospital" during COVID when she first started getting pain in her leg from the cancerous growth.
They have had 2 members of their staff die from COVID 19 at the hospital, and my wife had initially stayed in a hotel away from us, to protect my Type 1 daughter when there were risks initially reported to diabetics.
My wife caught COVID herself, again most likely at work, and is now left using asthmatics inhalers.
We have lost 3 neighbours via COVID and that is in a small rural village.
All i can say is, we have a civic duty to not be selfish, and to protect others, that is how vaccines work, just because you are selfish enough to think that everything is about you, it is about are duty to others as decent human beings to be part of the solution, not to be part of the solution.
Medical science has probably kept you alive more times than you know.
Ask yourself the simple question, why is that those states in the US that have a high number of Trump supporters, also have a high number anti-vaxxers, also then have the highest number of cases and related deaths, thats simple maths?
One thing i can agree with you on Bliss, is that i don't particularly trust the government, but i do trust those that have spent years training to want to help others, for whom it is a vocation (and often the pay is awful for the hours worked) and who have done an amazing job, DESPITE the Government.
He is obviously a troll but who are we assuming he is / was? Did someone get the ban hammer on 2 Aug?
Yea well, that one’s true obviously, no-one’s ever been to Finland
I have.
nah, you just think you have. Makes you think!
Bliss is showing the typical attitude of an anti-vaxxer. Absolutely refusing to believe fact.
All of us here have had some symptoms from the vaccination - this is the body's typical response. What if it was the real deal. Those that react badly to the jab would probably be in deep shoot with the real thing.
I 'may' have had Covid in December 19 (colleagues came back from Woohan). I really struggled to breath for about a month - when I went to the doc, he didn't mess about and sent me straight to xray. Nothing was known then.
OP is denying the number of deaths - just go speak to a nurse in A&E please - htis isn't made up.
It's a gamble, some folk are fine, some folk not. The virus causes the immune system to go into overdrive, and this often kills you, your own body ! The virus is here to stay - you'll catch it at some point, and so will the rest. Those keeping up with jabs will be fine, those without, may die or indeed end up with long covid.
Tell that to the 2 million people with long covid that this is all a hoax.
It's safe, everyone I know's had it, even my 85 year old MIL, who even a cold will kill her as she's so knackered has been jabbed. If she caught covid, poof dead.
Of the 'one' person I know that won't have the jab, he nearly died of covid (now wants it). So that's 100% of 'deniers' that have nearly died (same reckoning you are using for not getting the jab)
100% of jabbed folk I know have been fine, no-one is dead, no-one was 'ill' but we still don't have 5g, nor have I any graphine body parts - disappointing as I was hoping to save on my Voda bill.
As for it being developed fast, erm, there was huge amounts of money thrown at it, unlimited budgets. It still took a year. Vaccine development is incredible.
Covid isn't safe. You may be one that is prone to an adverse reaction - that, unfortunately, is built into your DNA and no vaccine can 'alter' your DNA - only 'grey' the alien and his mates who is cloaked above the Earth awaiting his next victims.
Now I'm being equally daft as an anti-vaxxer.
i've been to Finland.
I've also been to Finland but am now asking myself...how do I know it was Finland.
Makes you wonder...
They all spoke Finnish 😉
I used to live with a Finnish guy but I guess he was really from Estonia and just didn't know. Though from my interactions with Finns including him Finnish people are all kinds of weird - no other nation has managed that level IME.
deserve no sympathy if and when they end up ill
But…They still deserve treatment.
Treatment? Yes but not given priority over other potentially life threatening conditions. Anyone who has refused a vaccine for non medical reasons and ends up ill after the last 18 months makes me think of a cancer patient who refuses to give up smoking, then still expects to be at the front of the queue for treatment
i’ve been to Finland.
I don’t believe you.
As for it being developed fast, erm, there was huge amounts of money thrown at it, unlimited budgets. It still took a year. Vaccine development is incredible.
And coronaviruses are already known and understood, and lots of vaccine tech already exists. And when was the last time you checked how long other emergency vaccines were developed by all the world's experts in the face of a global pandemic? Maybe it always takes this long when everyone is working on it?
Regarding that conspiracy chart: I'm fine with everything on it except for one thing - the 'Covid Made in the Lab' thing should be down the triangle towards speculation. Admittedly its a Trumpism which should automatically enter it towards the top, but at the moment there's compelling legitimate scientific reasoning either way, possibly more stacked on the 'gain-of-function' research linked side...so at the moment it's only fair to say we don't know. One day when this is all long past, we might find out.
In the meantime just get the flippin Vaccine.
Though from my interactions with Finns including him Finnish people are all kinds of weird – no other nation has managed that level IME.
you would be too if your country didn’t exist.
What is up with Wayfair? (top right of the conspiracy Pyramid of Certain Doom) - is it the toilet seat covers? I dare not google...
It’s fast become one of my all time favourite conspiracy theories
That the airport staff gave up on denying it and decided to go along with it is a bonus. A while back they were carrying out building works and stuck up a bunch of hoardings with stuff like "remodelling the lizard peoples lair" and "construction or cover up?"
The murals are rather on the freaky side though. Whoever signed them off must have been drunk.
It's the fact that the locals call the (admittedly more than a little demonic looking) horse sculpture; Blucifer that makes me smile..It's very, errr. detailed...
[voiceover man] Kneel before it's demonic arse....[/voiceover man]
I followed a BMW earlier that had a 'Qanon Aware' sticker in the window that reminded me of this thread. Last few pages have reminded me of why I've unfollowed/friended afew on Faceache!
BBC News - I Am Legend screenwriter dismisses anti-vax claims based on film's plot
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-58164833
Well the fiction section of blockbuster makes a change from YouTube research
I’ve unfollowed/friended afew on Faceache!
I've unfollowed/unfriended a few IRL (although tbf that started about 5 years ago)
Do realise that is it PROVEN that lots of people die from getting COVID?
Do you realise that there is NO PROOF that people die form COVID vaccines?
Your second statement is completely untrue. All vaccines carry a risk, mainly because most are made using a de-natured form of the virus or bacteria that causes the disease.
mRNA vaccines, however, are synthetic, built by using a computer-designed protein based on the genotype of the virus in question, which essentially teaches the body’s defence system what to look for and how to react to protect against it.
And as for your second statement, as many on here are aware, my partner Jo died from a cerebral veinous thrombosis roughly a week after having the AZ vaccination, a significant symptom was that her blood platelet count was very low, something the consultant at Bristol Southmead hospital couldn’t understand or explain.
About a month later that was being described as a symptom, but it could be easily treated by a readily available drug. Sadly, the various other signs, like headaches, migraines and seizures were all things Joey regularly suffered from, as a result of a brain haemorrhage thirteen years ago.
It’s a very rare occurrence, more often occurring during pregnancy or while taking the birth control pill.
She was just very unlucky, those affected are mostly women between 55-60, Jo was 55.
I’m not certain what the percentage of those affected is out of the vaccinated age group, but I believe it’s a lot lower that within the general population.
@bliss - please, stop paying attention to ignorant, stupid fools spreading lies on social media, and use the Internet to check out all the genuine scientific information that is available in reliable online sources. I’ve read a great many, via Flipboard, my favourite news aggregator, in particular about the mRNA vaccines, which have been in development since the mid-1970’s, and have been used very successfully against outbreaks of Ebola, MERS, (Middle-East Respiratory Syndrome), SARS, (South-Asia Respiratory Syndrome), and now SARS Cov-2.
It’s being investigated as an effective vaccine against HIV, Influenza, (the general vaccines used are barely 50% effective, due to the way flu mutates, but slower than Cov-2 does), and other viruses, because once the genome of the virus has been decoded, an mRNA vaccine can be (relatively) quickly created to deal with it.
I really, really wish the Pfizer/BioNtech vaccine had been available where I live, rather than the AZ one, which I’ve had, btw, and displayed absolutely no reaction to at all.
Count, thanks for corrrcting me and I hope that my rash statement didn't cause any further upset.
I am very sorry for your loss.
Oh gosh. Count, I'm so sorry.
I am an anti-vaxxer and I believe everybody should be entitled to their opinion, especially on a forum. I don’t agree with the poster who said anti-vaxxers should keep their opinions to themselves, that’s a communist stance along with the view that government should push everybody to have the vaccines.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion. However, when it's an actively dangerous opinion that could actually kill people, then we have a problem. There are laws against hate speech.
I refuse to follow guidance and disagree with hate speech laws.
Ah.
just like it’s other people’s choices to get the vaccine.
It is. Isn't democracy brilliant?
I will absolutely not comply with any advice a tyranny government gives me.
What would you do if they told you not to have it?
Do you wear a seatbelt when driving?
Let’s even have an anti vaccined hospitals. Would you agree with this?
I doubt any medical practitioner on the planet would. You might get a few homeopaths and aromatherapists on board.
The fact that it just isn’t natural concerns me.
So you're against medicine in general? Paracetemol, chemotherapy...?
Do you know the chemical make up of the covid vaccines?
Yes. It's well documented.
And also the flu vaccines?
Yes. It's well documented. And irrelevant to this discussion.
Just because you don't know something doesn't mean everyone else doesn't. Your entire argument here is literally "I'm against vaccines because I'm ignorant."
If the vaccines work, and do its job then why would anybody who has had the vaccine be worried about any person who hasn’t been vaccinated?
Because they're not self-centred assholes?
In being vaccinated you're not just protecting yourself, you're protecting society. You're protecting the people who cannot be immunised and who are, ironically, the ones most likely to die from an infection.
I would like to know what the chemical make up is, with proof.
Is Google down? It's literally the first hit.
What "proof" would you accept, do you think EVERY SCIENTIST ON THE GODDAMN PLANET is lying to you and no-one noticed?
I don’t want to take it because I believe it’s a death sentence
Even if that were true (spoiler, it's not, this is 200-year old technology, if it were a death sentence we'd already all be dead), do you think it's more or less of a 'death sentence' than contracting Covid?
I don’t believe this in the slightest.
Then you're a fool and we're playing chess with a pigeon. How many polio cases did you read about this month?
I do believe they have been created harmful by design.
OK. This is good.
Why?
What possible reason would, and I'm sorry if I'm repeating myself, THE ENTIRE PLANET have to want to wipe out the population?
You need to stop typing and do some reading. This is all basic stuff.
You're remarkably vocal and contentious for someone who joined a week ago. What was your previous account name?
It’s a little unfair to class everyone in this position as “stupid”. People have been misled or have been swamped with information good and bad and been unduly influenced by the bad.
Everyone on the planet has literally had their entire bloody life to work it out. This isn't new.
Real simple soloution to the anti vax folks...
Offer 2 options...
1. Get a vaccine jab. Made by Pharmaceutical companies.
2. Get a Covid jab. Made by a Bat, Chicken, Chinese Government, Bill Gates (select one you suspect)
Both will produce anti bodies and this approach will provide solid statistics on the chance of death in respect to both approaches. After all just a cold init..
However i doubt that the anti vaxxers will be joining queue 2.
Everyone on the planet has literally had their entire bloody life to work it out. This isn’t new.
So this world is divided into people who share your views and stupid people? Nice.
Full on anti vaxxers are probably a lost cause. There are plenty of others who have fallen prey to misinformation who can possibly be nudged back into reality by discussion, facts and a little bit of empathy. Or just writing them all off as stupid?
Full on anti vaxxers are probably a lost cause.
Yep, for a really scary look into this world take a look at The Anti-Vax Conspiracy on Channel 4.
Andrew Wakefield, remember him from the MMR vaccine controversy? Well, all his Christmases have come at once with Covid and he's busy making a fortune in the US (where else) on the back of this. And the other Christmas present he gets is to shack up with Elle McPherson.
And the other Christmas present he gets is to shack up with Elle McPherson.
Of all the dreams and hopes that Covid has ruined for me, that one hurts the most....
Got to say, Denver Airport was funnier
I've always wanted to ask an anti vaxxer what their take on the magical decline of things like Measles, Polio, Meningitis is?
I get people's concern about something new, but some of the stuff you read is that of paranoid fantasy in my opinion! I could be wrong....but probably not....
@nickc is Denver airport the place that has a secret alien base beneath it? 🙂
Got to say, Denver Airport was funnier
can you get a flight from Denver Intl to Finland?
You have people like the troll who purport to believe all this nonsense (or pretend to - the result is the same) and then this actual, qualified nurse in Germany.
Just different ends of the same ****-shaped wedge, with differing levels of harm.
Trying to catch up on this one…but failing. What are the Finland and Denver Airport references? 🙂
Err...do your own research?
Oh, ok...
https://theculturetrip.com/europe/finland/articles/does-finland-exist-many-dont-think-so/
Apparently they are well known conspiracy theories, but hey, do your own research...🤣
What do the overlords gain from killing off the likes of me/not killing off the likes of you?
They prefer those that are easily influenced ?,and believe all manners of claptrap, preferring to leave logic out of their thinking, going so far as to refute all and any evidence in favour of what they're told.
I always find it funny when the anti vaxx brigade refer to everyone else as 'sheeple'.
And the other Christmas present he gets is to shack up with Elle McPherson.
Says more about Elle McPherson than Andrew Wakefield 😕
Too slow....
Hang on though, back in 2008 we did a day trip to "Lapland" in northern "Finland" to see "Santa".
They told us it was midday when we landed at this remote frozen airport, but the daylight was already going? Drove us through woods to a remote village and distracted us with sleigh rides, dog sleds and shit food, before taking us and the kids to meet a guy I'm pretty sure was pretending to be a mythical person.
Now it kind of makes sense.....🤔
I’ve always wanted to ask an anti vaxxer what their take on the magical decline of things like Measles, Polio, Meningitis is?
According to some it's because germs aren't real and you can't catch viruses.