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Following the thread about St George’s day it made me wonder who here classes themselves as British and who prefers to be English, Scottish, Welsh, Northern Irish, or one of the other smaller geographically defined areas (Cornwall, IOW, etc) and why?


 
Posted : 23/04/2010 9:41 am
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Essex...........cos i am mate


 
Posted : 23/04/2010 9:42 am
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yes.. because I am


 
Posted : 23/04/2010 9:42 am
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British.


 
Posted : 23/04/2010 9:43 am
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Family heritage is Welsh/Irish but I was born in England and consider myself British.


 
Posted : 23/04/2010 9:45 am
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Northern Irish - because the folk are different to Brits and Southern Irish IMO.

Live in Soctland now though.


 
Posted : 23/04/2010 9:47 am
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I'm Manx.

Well, for at least five generations back anyway.


 
Posted : 23/04/2010 9:47 am
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British Cornish.
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Kernow bys vyken!


 
Posted : 23/04/2010 9:53 am
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Scottish or European


 
Posted : 23/04/2010 9:53 am
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British First, Welsh second


 
Posted : 23/04/2010 9:53 am
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British, don't really see the point in more fragmented levels of national identity.


 
Posted : 23/04/2010 9:58 am
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British by birth English by the grace of god and a Tyke above all else. 😉


 
Posted : 23/04/2010 9:58 am
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Scottish and British as I come from and live in both 😀


 
Posted : 23/04/2010 9:59 am
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Dwy'n Cymraeg boyo


 
Posted : 23/04/2010 9:59 am
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Me: British, born in England.
Parents: Manchester, Sheffield.
Grandparents: England, France, Northern Ireland.
Great Grandparents: England, Ireland, Spain, Belgium (Flemish).

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Posted : 23/04/2010 10:01 am
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A friend of mine in Oz once remarked no-one would claim to be English if they could claim to be Cornish. (He wasn't biased, he was Cornish)

It seems to apply to the Yorkshire lads too 🙂


 
Posted : 23/04/2010 10:05 am
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Welsh. Not British as the Welsh flag isn't represented in the union jack.


 
Posted : 23/04/2010 10:06 am
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Welsh


 
Posted : 23/04/2010 10:07 am
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friend of mine in Oz once remarked no-one would claim to be English if they could claim to be Cornish. (He wasn't biased, he was Cornish)

There is a large Cornish diaspora in Aus because of the mining industry


 
Posted : 23/04/2010 10:16 am
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don simon, would you consider yourself British if a flag was changed?


 
Posted : 23/04/2010 10:16 am
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JEngledow.... what say you?


 
Posted : 23/04/2010 10:17 am
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I'm just me. By accident of birth I became Northern/English/British/European/whatever, but I'm just the same as someone on the other side of the world. It's about time we learned to stop being so tribal, and work for the good of everyone, not just the people born/living near you, who believe the same fairy stories you do, or who look the same as you.


 
Posted : 23/04/2010 10:19 am
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Airdrieonian :mrgreen:


 
Posted : 23/04/2010 10:23 am
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I'm English.


 
Posted : 23/04/2010 10:27 am
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It's about time we learned to stop being so tribal,

Doesn't work like that - although our rational brains (for those that have them) will try to construct the entirely reasonable argument that we are all the same.

I believe that we are all the same (well similar :wink:), but tribal instincts are genetically hard wired - they can be overcome by societal vaules, but still lurk beneath.

Dawkins work on altuism in animals is interesting - our (and I include animals here) altuistic behaviour works at first to defend immediate blood line (direct genetic descendency), second to defend relatives, and third to defend tribe


 
Posted : 23/04/2010 10:28 am
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I is English


 
Posted : 23/04/2010 10:33 am
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English, British, European, Human.


 
Posted : 23/04/2010 10:34 am
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I'm British. Always British. You don't expect Welshmen, Irishmen and Scots to die in vain do you? We are all British.

Sick of the stupid Braveheart-linked bollox etc. We are stronger and better together. There will always be a Politician looking for a win-subject that will get him a well-paid job evoking history. Its history dude, lets look ahead. Together.


 
Posted : 23/04/2010 10:35 am
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Southern Yeti, I'm British, but was born in England. I'm not sure why I feel British so wondered how other people feel about the matter.

I was born in the South and grew up in the North where I was taught to be Northern and Proud and now live in the South again. I'm don't quite understand why being northern is something to be celebrated while being southern is frowned upon, I no longer see it as an issue, so don't see myself as either.

*Edit* what Hora said +1


 
Posted : 23/04/2010 10:35 am
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yorkshire first, then English 😆


 
Posted : 23/04/2010 10:36 am
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British, with a twist of northern irish.

Living on Merseyside I have no regional affection whatsoever - except where I was born was in Lancashire at the time.


 
Posted : 23/04/2010 10:36 am
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Oh yes. I am a Yorkshireman first, Born and proud.


 
Posted : 23/04/2010 10:40 am
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don simon, would you consider yourself British if a flag was changed?

Probably not as I have lived with the idea for so long, there are also other aspects of life where we (Welsh/Scots/N.Irish) are marginalised. I had an example from the Guardian many years ago one day talking about the heroic British F1 driver David Coulthard followed the next day by the unceremonious exit (a crash) by the Scottish F1 driver David Coulthard!!!
If Wales don't qualify for the World Cup (I know it's a bad example, ha ha!) I would support England as much as I would support Algeria or USA. I also don't jump on bandwagons regarding England either, if England win the World Cup, hats off and congratulations, but I won't suddenly become an England fan. And I don't particulary like when the English feel they should support Wales when we (occasionaly) have success to celebrate.If Britain was a recognised name for the country and all citizens were represented, then fine. They are not. In my opinion there is a distorted view of what is British, with a heavy bias towards England.
Again at the Olympics the play the British national anthem playing homage to the monarch, the English monarch and not the Welsh monarch or the Welsh national anthem. Why should Nicole Cooke or Geriant Thomas receive medals to a national anthem which is not representative of their country, fine they're in the British team.

I could go on, but I won't. It's an obsevation so I won't be replying to any disparaging comments and you won't e able to change my point of view.
Have a nice day.


 
Posted : 23/04/2010 10:44 am
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I don't get it, I don't really "consider myself" anything, I'm me, living in the UK. I'm English officially, but I don't think it ever comes up as important at any point in my life and the only time I consider what I might be is when I need to stick it on a form.


 
Posted : 23/04/2010 10:47 am
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Cymraeg, then british.... slowly turning Italian!

Also Welsh is my first language, I speak welsh with my family and friends in Wales.. My education was in Welsh, and I started learning English at around 5 years old!!

si in answer to the question it depends on who you ask, Most Scots and Irish speak english but if you ask those who are fluent and brought up in their native language have very different viws to their english speaking brethren.


 
Posted : 23/04/2010 10:48 am
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David Coulthard
Who?
Eddie Irvine Who?
Martin Brundle Who?

Lewis Hamilton? :mrgreen:
Damon Hill? :mrgreen:
Jackie Stewart :mrgreen:


 
Posted : 23/04/2010 10:51 am
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don simon, I'm asking for your opinion and not trying to change your point of view.

I agree with the sh1t way the press deal with national identity (Murray for instance -British when he wins, Scottish when he loses, but always a ****t!).

I think we need more British sporting representation and more than a Lions tour or the Olympics every 4years (if nothing else we may have more chance at winning something).

As for the national anthem, I feel that England should change theirs and leave the current dirge for Britain (as is done in the Commonwealth games).


 
Posted : 23/04/2010 10:53 am
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Londoner, English, European.


 
Posted : 23/04/2010 10:54 am
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Just human.

**** nationalisms of any kind.

No borders.


 
Posted : 23/04/2010 10:54 am
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nous some alles european jetzt.


 
Posted : 23/04/2010 10:57 am
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Just human.

**** nationalisms of any kind.

No borders.

We'll mark you down as "Home Counties", then?


 
Posted : 23/04/2010 11:01 am
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I'm British and from Yorkshire. I live in Scotland.


 
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don simon, I'm asking for your opinion and not trying to change your point of view.
That wasn't directed at you, it was more for the juveniles and prevent the thread deteriorationg into a slanging match. 😉

I agree with the sh1t way the press deal with national identity (Murray for instance -British when he wins, Scottish when he loses, but always a ****t!).
I wholly agree, but I disagree with the grief he gets when he says he's Scottish and the (generally) English fan base and press demand that he calls himself British!!

I think we need more British sporting representation and more than a Lions tour or the Olympics every 4years (if nothing else we may have more chance at winning something).

I love the idea of the Lions and also like the idea that we return to our home nations afterwards. We (perhaps just the English) are facing a problem with 2012 and the football team, correct? As the home nations won't give up their rights to be home nations, then there won't be a GB football team.
I also like the fact that the Irish team consists or can select players from the whole of Ireland and not have seperate N. Ireland and Ireland teams.

From my side it's the English who have to make an effort for us to feel more British and it's not upto the Welsh or Scottish (can I include the Irish?)to change. 😀


 
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I'm from the peoples republic of barnsley 😉


 
Posted : 23/04/2010 11:08 am
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Wilfred Owen's famous poem contained the line:

And bugles calling for them from sad shires.

For me, he is talking about our Shire, Yorkshire.


 
Posted : 23/04/2010 11:10 am
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English.
I used to say British until I lived in Scotland for a few years and had my eyes opened by the level of anti-englishness endemic in many of the Scotch.


 
Posted : 23/04/2010 11:10 am
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South African.


 
Posted : 23/04/2010 11:12 am
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LOL @ Mogrim

But, no.


 
Posted : 23/04/2010 11:35 am
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english first, european second, britain is something that i just don't accept.


 
Posted : 23/04/2010 11:39 am
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Its a very touchy subject where i'm from in Carlisle. We were English, then Jocks then English again. No wonder were nutters !!


 
Posted : 23/04/2010 11:43 am
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I'm a Londoner above all else.

So, if 'to be born English is to have won Life's lottery', to be born in't Greatest City in the World™ is surely to have won the mega-triple rollover jackpot! 😀

English-British, then European.

Human, hopefully...


 
Posted : 23/04/2010 11:47 am
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Welsh most definately, especially when holiadaying abroad, "oh so you're English" no I speak English but I'm Welsh and proud of it.


 
Posted : 23/04/2010 11:53 am
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Born in England and I'm fiercely proud of my Irish, Scottish and Welsh neighbours. Our different qualities make us 'wikid awsum'.
British.


 
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English


 
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I'm a bit of a mongrel really.
English mum, Northern irish dad (of scots descent), oddly I have quite dark features/skin. My great grandad died building the titanic!
Some evidence of roots in Cornwall (farm and street names etc). I have a very uncommon family name (an Irish bastardisation of a Scottish name).
I support the English rugby team and I suppose the footy team when I can be arrsed.
I suppose I should feel really British, but I am just feel like a person regardless of anything else.


 
Posted : 23/04/2010 12:35 pm
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English and British.

Not any real difference really, england and britain are the same, the only difference for britain is that it includes the national park to the north of us where we go biking and the farm to our left where we keep our sheep.


 
Posted : 23/04/2010 12:56 pm
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I was born free but am everywhere in chains .Nationalism is just another one I choose not to wear


 
Posted : 23/04/2010 1:03 pm
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I'm British for the Olympics, Scottish for the Commonwealths and Pissed the rest of the time.


 
Posted : 23/04/2010 5:36 pm
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Scottish, then British.


 
Posted : 23/04/2010 5:52 pm
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Yorkshire first & last & always. But my passport says United Kingdom.

Born in Leeds
Work in t'people's republic o' Baaarnsley
live almost on t'moors north of Bradford


 
Posted : 23/04/2010 6:10 pm
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I'm mostly drunk.


 
Posted : 23/04/2010 6:14 pm
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English


 
Posted : 23/04/2010 6:19 pm
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I am an Orcadian in the Lake District.

Its kind of like being an Englishman in New York... but with more sheep.

😉


 
Posted : 23/04/2010 6:19 pm
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Scottish.

Lived at both ends of the UK, and worked with lots of people from all over the UK. Nothing against any of them or any part of the UK (or anywhere else for that matter).


 
Posted : 23/04/2010 6:25 pm
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Wessex/English/British. Family tree so far shows Dorset/Wiltshire/Hampshire connections going back to the 16th Century. My family on my Fathers mothers side seem to be connected to Sir Francis Drake's family, though yet to be proven, which is English enough for me. Via that branch, the Drakes, we've found a link to the Great Train Robbers!


 
Posted : 23/04/2010 6:57 pm
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Both Scottish and British. Equally.


 
Posted : 23/04/2010 7:08 pm
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English


 
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[i]Not any real difference really, england and britain are the same, the only difference for britain is that it includes the national park to the north of us where we go biking and the farm to our left where we keep our sheep.[/i]

I was going to say that Scotland and Britain are the same. Only difference for Britain is the huge bank to the south where we go for free money, and the spare bit to the south-west where we go in the unlikely event we ever get bored biking in Scotland.

🙂


 
Posted : 23/04/2010 7:13 pm
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Scottish


 
Posted : 23/04/2010 7:22 pm
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Peoples republic of t'Yorkshire [img] [/img]

8)

Tha’ can allus tell a Yorkshireman, but tha’ can’t tell ‘im much


 
Posted : 23/04/2010 7:46 pm
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English first
British second
And if I really really have to be, European.


 
Posted : 23/04/2010 8:07 pm
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Northumbrian 1st
Geordie 2nd
Brit 3rd
English 4th - not fussed bout it really or the English footy team to that matter.


 
Posted : 23/04/2010 8:09 pm
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Welsh - British.


 
Posted : 23/04/2010 8:25 pm
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[Flame proof suit]

If everybody on this thread who has a strong national identity in Wales / Scotland / N. Ireland / Cornwall had it forced upon them that whatever they thought made them proud to be Welsh / Scottish / Irish / Cornish was actually British, and it was 'insulting' for that nation to think of it as their own, how would you react?

[/Flame proof suit]

Just wondering, seeing the grief on the other thread...


 
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citizen of the global village, me


 
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[i]If everybody on this thread who has a strong national identity in Wales / Scotland / N. Ireland / Cornwall had it forced upon them that whatever they thought made them proud to be Welsh / Scottish / Irish / Cornish was actually British, and it was 'insulting' for that nation to think of it as their own, how would you react?[/i]

If the Irish, Welsh or Cornish want Dundee then they're welcome to it!


 
Posted : 23/04/2010 9:18 pm
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Mongrel. Like most people.


 
Posted : 23/04/2010 9:37 pm
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don,t know what the **** i am.
mother welsh farther Irish an i was born on the Wirral.
so anyone's guess then. 😆


 
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Mongrel. Like most people.

When I was visiting a mate in Melbourne, his mum called me a 'Rotten Mongrel' because we got a bit drunk one night, and frightened the dog.


 
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Lancastrian. English. Then British.


 
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