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Yeah project, anyone who disagrees with you is in the closet. You win the internet.
Hey Project, if you win the internet can I have all the good gay stuff?
Oh, and pictures of dogs, naturally.
And recipes.
And, err, all pictures of Matt Hunter and Chris Hemsworth. For research purposes, I hope you understand. 😀
Ta!
GrahamS - MemberReligion doesn't have a monopoly on marriage.
Of course it does, marriage is a religious constitution.
I'm just not sure why a gay couple would want to get married, and in doing so associate themselves with that bigotted regime.
*Very drunk and struggling to find the tight words, but just to clarify, this is a pro-gay, anti-religion rant.
Have I got away with that?
Of course I would attend a gay wedding. Other people have made the point already, but my first thought was anyone who is likely to refuse to attend one would be unlikely to be invited in the first place.
Of course it does, marriage is a religious constitution.
No, it's a [i]legal institution[/i].
That is why I, like many other straight people, was able to marry my wife in a lovely but entirely secular non-religious ceremony.
I don't think I'd go to a gay wedding because I wouldn't have nice enough clothes. 🙂
Does it mean that if you are gay and getting married, it's ok to only have food for 4/5ths of the guests, on the basis that 1/5th won't turn up?
Sounds like a good money saving tip to me
Can someone explain why people get married for reasons other than beliefs?
Doesn't a good will / solicitor sort any legal issues?
If gay people want to tie themselves together in the same way hetero couples do, and then spend a small fortune undoing it in the future, then good on 'em.
It does though, for me, smart a little or parity for the sake of it.
And I'm as camp as a row of pink tents and have swung in various directions in my time on this planet before I get called a homophobe
I went to a gay civil ceremony a couple of years ago. Although not technically a marriage, it was a great day out. Disco was great fun.
Going to one of the first later today. Looking forward to it.
b r
the numbers don't seem to add up:The research also found that younger people were more likely to support same-sex marriage, with 80% of 18 to 34-year-olds backing it, compared with 44% of over-65s.
Unless the 35-65 y/o are greater than 80% and made up the majority of those surveyed. Or is my maths wrong?
Clearly you sir are an investment banker...
80% of the respondents in the 18-34 category, 44% of the respondents in the over 65 category (eg 8 out of 10 of the 18-34 year olds and 4 out of 9 in the over 65s).
I'm against gay marriage, all my gay friends are so happy, why should they have to be made as miserable as me.
Can someone explain why people get married for reasons other than beliefs?
For me it was about making a promise of commitment; taking our relationship to something beyond "boyfriend/girlfriend". And having a ceremony and big party to celebrate that promise.
Doesn't a good will / solicitor sort any legal issues?
Probably. But [i]"I've drawn up a 78 page contract covering our financial and legal obligations to each other going forward. Will you sign it?"[/i] doesn't seem quite as romantic as [i]"Will you marry me?"[/i] 😀
No, it's a legal institution.
Not exclusively it's not. Amazingly for one of the core human relationships across time and space, it's multilayered and multifaceted and a messy blend of lots of things: social, religious, legal, emotional...
Sometimes the new partner is hated by the opposing family. My sister and I both had difficult times with dating and weddings as my family were hostile and nasty
You do know its illegal to marry your sister
Not exclusively it's not. Amazingly for one of the core human relationships across time and space, it's multilayered and multifaceted and a messy blend of lots of things: social, religious, legal, emotional...
Indeed.
What I said originally was religion doesn't have a monopoly on marriage. It is just one facet of [i]some[/i] marriages.
Not in Todmorden.
I don't think they've ever got out of the shallow end of the gene pool.
We're getting married this year.
I'm looking forward to it.
Just wish my parents could have been here to see it.
As for gay marriage, it's a huge step forward.
Makes us a more civilised people and annoys the bigots.
What's not to like?
The comments on the BBC 'Have your say' page are quite eye opening, I guess CMD now has a pretty good idea of quite how many are going to vote UKIP.
Various CofE bishops have welcomed equal marriage rights, at least two CofE vicars I know have expressed their support for the legislation, as have other religious friends.
It's rather called my sister's bluff, as she'd always said she'd only marry her girlfriend if it was a full equal marriage 🙂
[i]n fact let me qualify that, "It's not the gay way" that should read it's not the "Scene Gay way" there are hundreds of silent Gay majority as well, that just don't want the fuss, that get on with their lives lead normal existences just like the everybody else[/i]
What like? oohhh, idunno, getting married, and living normal lives like everyone else?
Didn't we have this chat a while back derek? No special rights, just normal like everyone else...great isn't it?
BTW I'm still desperate to know what a scene gay is 😆
AdamW your posts about your hubby are so full of love. It really shows 8)
Absolutely not. I know no gays and have no wish to be bummed and catch aids.
Just heard on Radio4 "Pink News" described as a newspaper for the gay community, obviously the "Anti-Mail".
I remember my daughter (at age 5) being seriously told off at school for telling a girl she was gay.
The girl had said that when she grew up she wanted to marry another girl.
No point to this story… except that future generations will deal with all this much better than adults today.
That 20% will be 2% one day.
I've rarely enjoyed a hetero wedding and try and come up with any excuse not to go, I can't see that a gay wedding would be any better. Not sure if this leaves me in the 80% who don't really see the difference or in the 20% that wouldn't want to attend.
I'm against gay marriage, all my gay friends are so happy, why should they have to be made as miserable as me.
😆
Could I marry my mrs in a catholic church with her in the white dress all young girls yearn for, if we presented ourselves today as we were thirty years ago? I doubt it.
Yes you could.
By the sound of it, your first marriage wasn't a Catholic Ceremony ?
If that's the case, then you could always have married in a Catholic Church as your previous marriage would not have been recognised as "valid" in the eyes if the Catholic Church, so you had never been previously married.
(If it was a Catholic wedding first time round, then obviously that's not relevant, and no, you couldn't.)
I've rarely enjoyed a hetero wedding and try and come up with any excuse not to go, I can't see that a gay wedding would be any better.
It would be way better!
I am in the 80% who would say yes. In principle i already have: I went to a civil partnership a few years ago and it was ace: Brighton (where else? :lol:) registry office which is really nice, bride wore a big white dress and the other bride wore a morning suit. Reception was ace with live band, masses of pudding and 7 real ales on tap. Despite the difference in wording and legal status, it was much more weddingy than some registry office hetero weddings I have been to before.
Yeah heard the same argument on the radio today. Apparently Hetero marriage is "special" because it produces children. So we shouldn't allow same sex marriages.
I know a further 2 lesbian couples who have had (as in given birth to) a baby or are well on the way to it. Does that argument mean they cn get married then? (or should they be already?)
RightWing - HomophobeAbsolutely not. I know no gays and have no wish to be bummed and catch aids.
Posted 6 hours ago #Report-Post
Always one un educated prole, you can catch HIV, through intravenous drug use, sharing needles, it snow affecting the steroid using community, from blood transfusions many years ago when we where importing foreign un tested blood, untested because no one had a need for a test then, then there is un protected sex between male and female and male and male.
Yoyu really should make the effort to meet some gay people youll find theyre funny, wealthy usually, well spoken and educated and know what they want.
Project, don't feed the troll, it only encourages them...
Good work by whichever mod changed his "Member" tag though 😀
Surely it was sarcasm?
Project - what's this 'wealthy' thing you speak of? My son's as gay as a chaffinch, and he's forever borrowing stuff / money from me. The lying, cheating, good with colours swine! Also, the best son I could ever have wished for. His opinion on this is 'why does it have to be gay marriage? Why can't it just be marriage?', to which I wholeheartedly agree. I bet I still end up paying for the wedding though! Oh, and surely, right-wing (that has to be a piss take for a start) is just trolling?
About time They (expression) are included has to what is actually Normal !
Lets be honest here Just how the hell can some churches question and keep
such bad sexual perverted practices behind closed doors.
when they question honest people whom love each other and wanting to create the sacred bond to each other
This is a good step forward.
This story brought out 3 facts in my office.
1) One of the girls I work with is gay and nobody knew
2) The guy most people thought was gay, isn't
3) That guy is me apparently!
Are you a "Scene Gay" though Northwind? 😉
I think he's more of a 'scenic' gay, rambling up the old man of coniston wearing nowt but a wistful expression and a pair of slightly too small velvet shorts. Phwoaar!
RightWing - HomophobeAbsolutely not. I know no gays and have no wish to be bummed and catch aids.
I reported this post about 6 hours ago and am massively disappointed to see that all the mods have seen fit to do is join in with the fun by changing the tag. I thought this forum was run by people who were better than that.
Sorry you got all upset about it. I thought it best to shame the idiot for a while. He's been banned for life.
I assumed it was a joke...
Bummed for life? Quite right too.
It was just political opportunism, was it necessary? I don't really think so, most of the gay folk I know just roll their eyes, and get on with life.
Was it necessary that black people in the USA were allowed to sit at the front of the bus?
Mark - Resident GrumpySorry you got all upset about it. I thought it best to shame the idiot for a while. He's been banned for life
very clever way of shaming him, well done Mark.
I would have been far happier had it just been quietly deleted like the pointless, offensive troll it was rather than giving the idiot the oxygen of publicity.
RightWing - Homophobe
Absolutely not. I know no gays and have no wish to be bummed and catch aids.
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Oh dear. Someone is looking through the Square window
I would certainly go. I wouldn't consider the gayness of it; I just enjoy weddings.
As someone mentioned earlier though, I am on the fence regarding the right to marry.
The Bible is homophobic and doesn't support gays - for that matter, children, women, slaves, certain races, non-believers etc don't seem to matter much either.
Why a gay person would want to join a crowd who preach their '[i]evilness[/i]' I don't understand.
Honestly, the sooner religion disappears, the better. It seems incompatible with equality.
I reckon about 20% of people don't get invited to any weddings and are just bitter.
Joining this very late in the thread but I'm not one of the so-called 20%.
I attended a same sex civil ceremony a few years back with the Mrs. Just another get together with her and all her ex-Uni mates.
As someone mentioned earlier though, I am on the fence regarding the right to marry.The Bible is homophobic and doesn't support gays - for that matter, children, women, slaves, certain races, non-believers etc don't seem to matter much either.
Why a gay person would want to join a crowd who preach their 'evilness' I don't understand.
Why would having a civil wedding ceremony require joining a religion?
I saw a gay wedding and it was just like a wedding, was disappoint.
I want to see horse drawn pink carriages and teams of marching chaps in sequins.
Gays, please embrace this opportunity to REALLY wind up the Christian Right.
Would I go? Is there a free bar?
As someone mentioned earlier though, I am on the fence regarding the right to marry.
The Bible is homophobic and doesn't support gays - for that matter, children, women, slaves, certain races, non-believers etc don't seem to matter much either.Why a gay person would want to join a crowd who preach their 'evilness' I don't understand.
Why would having a civil wedding ceremony require joining a religion?
But aren't these 'civil ceremonys' and not 'civil weddings'? Doesn't a wedding need to be religious?
I'm not trolling and take note of my "would certainly go". I'm 99% un-biggoted...
not a big fan of those Frenchies 😉
No. Weddings are not fundamentally religious. Religious weddings are religious. Civil weddings are not religious. Weddings can be either.
People may talk about 'civil weddings' or 'civil ceremonies' but that's just a throw back to times when they weren't seen as 'proper weddings' (to quote one relative...).
The Christian churches just like to claim ownership to the concept of weddings even though it predates them.
But aren't these 'civil ceremonys' and not 'civil weddings'? Doesn't a wedding need to be religious?
If you get married in a town hall, a hotel, a castle, football stadium, or wherever it is a civil ceremony and there's no religion involved. In fact, religion isn't allowed to be included at all; they had to make a special law to allow Angels by Robbie Williams to be played.
The only place religion comes into play is if you get married in a church, mosque, synagogue, temple, etc. These venues are not being forced to have same sex weddings, in fact I believe the CofE is prevented by law from holding them.
So what's the difference now then between the civil ceremony I attended a few years back, and the legalisation of 'marriage' last week?
Ahh a bit of googling. I attended a 'civil partnership' ceremony. Not a wedding.
Ahhh and I answer my own question
The poll of 1,007 [s]people[/s] Daily Mail readers found 68% agreed gay marriage should be permitted, with 26% opposing it.
i would happily go to a gay wedding but would leave as soon as i couldn't tolerate certain things.
mainly ABBA and Erasure. that and poor quality booze.
I suspect that more people would say no when asked by a polling company than would say no when asked by a friend or family.
I'd go if I liked the couple. I wouldn't go if I didn't. I only know one gay couple in a committed relationship and tbh, i can't stand either of them so in the unlikely event they asked me to their wedding, I'd decline.
no idea if it's been asked as i can't wade through 4 pages of angst but would you go on the stag do?? 😯
I really don't get what the problem people have with it is. If a friend sent me an invite I'd accept it just as quick as any other.
However, I do hate weddings.
MrSmith - Memberno idea if it's been asked as i can't wade through 4 pages of angst but would you go on the stag do??
Yeah, why not?
Yeah, why not?
i wouldn't want to be in 'a gentleman's establishment' at 3 am watching the X-rated chippendales munch on cock.
Don't knock it till you've tried it. 🙂
MrSmith - MemberYeah, why not?
i wouldn't want to be in 'a gentleman's establishment' at 3 am watching the X-rated chippendales munch on cock.
Scared you'd not be able to control yourself? 🙂
bit worried about getting something in my eye if too near the stage.
Would the 20% even get a chance to say no? Why would any right minded person want to invite some small minded bigot to their wedding?* Would you even want such a person in your circle of friends?
*Unless they want to watch them squirm for entertainment value.
i wouldn't want to be in 'a gentleman's establishment' at 3 am watching the X-rated chippendales munch on cock.
Worthy of old Wordsworth himself!
MrSmith, you are assuming that most friends of gay people are also gay.
..and like watching strippers.
I'm more interested why oral sex is the first thing that comes to mind when someone mentions gay marriage.
Public school?
I think he is just confused between gay men and heterosexual middle aged women...its an easy mistake to make and presumably one night he was out , he got drunk and well we have all seen the crying game
SPOILER Alert!!!!!!!
Wait. I'm straight, can I have a civil partnership?
Who with?
I'm very flattered, but you're already married. 🙂
It wouldn't work anyway Molgrips, we want different things:
You - A working VW Passat and lower speed limits.
Me - A worldwide Anarcho-Socialist revolution, the reintroduction of the Texan bar and the reformation of the Beta Band.
MrSmith, you are assuming that most friends of gay people are also gay.
No. We all know what happens on stag do's, gay men are no different from straight men once they have had a skinful at 2am on a lads night out. I know a couple (men) with an adopted baby and what happened on their stag do. 😯
Obviously that's all in the past now they are responsible parents.
MrSmith - MemberNo. We all know what happens on stag do's, gay men are no different from straight men once they have had a skinful at 2am on a lads night out.
Oh, I understand now - you're a YOUNG PERSON. 🙂
2am on a lad's night out?
If I'm not in bed by 10pm, I just go home these days.
Not anymore 😐
nealglover - Member
Could I marry my mrs in a catholic church with her in the white dress all young girls yearn for, if we presented ourselves today as we were thirty years ago? I doubt it.
Yes you could.By the sound of it, your first marriage wasn't a Catholic Ceremony ?
If that's the case, then you could always have married in a Catholic Church as your previous marriage would not have been recognised as "valid" in the eyes if the Catholic Church, so you had never been previously married.
(If it was a Catholic wedding first time round, then obviously that's not relevant, and no, you couldn't.)
Forgive me, my whole post was on the assumption that they were getting married in church these days, just goes to show how little attention Ive been paying to it all, they are not, so I have no beef, not actually sure what the fuss is all about, just a change in description from CP to Marriage, I gather there's no other real benefits, but anyway that wasn't what the post was about, it was would we go and frankly wild horses wouldn't stop us, they do seem to throw better bashes than most. Lol at the stag night and chippendales, think i'd sit at the back... And for the record, it would be wrong on all levels even wanting to get married in the very church that would condemn you, that was also true for us, I wouldn't turn Catholic for the sake of a Church wedding even if they now say I could, my experience of bringing the rest of my family up Catholic and watching them deprived of help when they needed it most, it's a terrible organisation, not that the Cof E is much better although i still think they are a necessary evil until such times some other moral compass is in place for kids to start off with.