Are compact cameras still a thing??

No

Edit: alright I’ll try a bit harder than flippantly replying to the subject in case it sounds rude 🙂

I’d recommend switching paradigms and looking at upgrading your phone camera before upgrading your non-phone camera. I moved to a pro level iPhone for the telephoto Lens and that’s been the death nell of my dslr days, similar camera upgrades in the android world also.

unless we’re talking proper telephoto (wildlife?) in which case we’re not talking compact cameras either.

The best (super compact) for me was still not that great - these days and that was the Sony rx100 vii.

Dynamic range was pretty poor and can be beaten with a Xiaomi 13/14 ultra these days.

And that what I moved to afterwards.

The Sony RX100 is not cheap though. There are better value alternatives.

It depends on what you mean by 'cheap' and 'decent optical zoom'.

But the short answer is no.

I have an rx100 iv

I don’t think I’ve switched it on since I got an iPhone 14 Pro

We use Olympus TG-6 at work, i'm fairly impressed.

So the Pro thing is a good point. I have an iPhone 13 non pro, in hindsight I probably should have got a 12 Pro at the time.

My wife now has the 13 Pro - and yes I do wish I had her camera.

I'm not ready to change phone again yet, but but guess I will suffer with the inferior zoom until I am.

We use Olympus TG-6 at work, i’m fairly impressed.

I have one. Its great for paddling and cycling in winter (actually given the current weather possibly all year now) where my phone is hidden away but for random bimbles where I cant be arsed with my dslr my phone wins out.

I have a pixel 6a which takes great photos but the other day I was looking at some pictures that I took an age ago on my Fuji XF10. They are so nice, and although the hit rate is much lower in terms of good photos, I much prefer them. They seem to have a much richer and softer image to the phone. It is a pain in the arse to use though!

So I don't think we've seen the end of compact cameras yet. Plus the other day I saw a small outlet in tresco solely printing your photos. Which I never thought we'd see again

Edit that is Tesco not tresco although I'm sure they have a small grocer's too

Just got a TG 7 ( now O M Systems rather than Olympus) . Also mostly for kayaking where a phone isn’t very practical. Impressed so far and the photos can be transferred via WiFi to photos app/library.

An iPhone 15 Pro has something like a 15-75mm lens range, shoots 48mp Raw and ProRes 4K video. It’s always in your pocket, waterproof and automatically backs the images up.

I’m not sure how any compact camera can compete with that. Other than not being £1500 of course!

I have a (now old) Lumix TZ40 that I still occasionally pack with me on longer trips on account of having a 20x optical zoom. For some shots that zoom still has a bit of punch.

I too have an old Lumix  16x optical zoom and full HD which cost a lot more than my Motorola phone, but the pics are no better except on max zoom and the phone does infinitely better vids.

and ideally cheap and does something clever to get my photos onto my phone / into iCloud library

So good quality , full featured and cheap? I think at best you can choose 2 of those 3.

I’ve been down the DLSR and compact camera route, and am now happy that my iPhone pro does 99% of what I want.  It would be very slightly better with an additional even more powerful optical zoom, but that’s about it.

There seems to be a bit of a thing among the youth at the minute to buy up old compacts on eBay to use instead of phones for that retro feel.

Apart from that, the compact (sadly IMO) seems to have had its day.

I've got a few still kicking around. A Fuji XP120 that I've modded to take ND filters, etc., a Lumix TZ10 (only 12MP but a brilliant little thing - would still use it as my go to EDC camera if it didn't annoyingly have dust on the sensor), and a tiny little Sony WX220 that has a stuck lens now (might head to eBay in a minute and see how cheap I can pick up another one). The little Sony was my most fun to use camera ever.

Although my phone (Pixel 6) can take 'better' photos than all of those, I still prefer to have a dedicated tool sometimes (proper optical zooms are a factor in this). I also find modern phone images a bit 'too good' - they all look the same (once you know what the processing looks like that's all you can see - you end up comparing algorithms rather than images) and lack a bit of character. To the point (and I know I'm an outlier here) my decent phone only really gets used for 'snaps' or if I've got nothing else with me. I've even bought some old phones (my modded Oneplus 2 and it's screw on lenses is an absolute joy) to use as cameras for 'proper' photography and use those (or my old compacts, or my instax analogue cameras, or my old Lumix G3 with some vintage lenses) when I want to be serious about things.

Got sidetracked. Proper answer - get on eBay and find a nice looking Sony or Lumix compact with a decent optical zoom and a manual mode to take a punt on.

Can't remember if my Lumix does it, but both Sony and Fuji have had wireless image transfer for years now.

My TZ40 does have wireless image transfer.

Don't see the point of a compact camera these days as if I am going to take photos by looking at a screen then a phone does that.

What I like about 'proper' cameras is how it feels when taking photos, looking through viewfinder, changing some settings etc,. which feels like I am taking photos rather than snaps even if the end result is largely the same.

I take photos on

iPhone 12

Sony rx100 (the original)

Olympus Omd with 28-300 equivalent zoom

All can take pictures. All have problems.

I put photos on social media but i print books and calendars too.

If dipping a toe in the water a used original rx 100 is a good bet. Image quality is great and the zoom useful. The quality is good enough to reliably crop increasing the reach. But no electronic connection at all. It’s really small. You could get an sd card reader for your phone

The Olympus has great ergonomics and I love the zoom range. It transfers good jpgs to my phone after which I can edit in Snapseed. I find this really useful. But it’s not a small camera

The iPhone normally takes great photos. Mine has no zoom. I like and use the ultra wide although quality is much lower. Some times in low light and bright sunshine the quality drops.

I’m tempted by a phone with more zoom. But I’ve got a record of destroying phones so reluctant to invest heavily. Plus with iPhones there is a dilemma. The models with x3 clearly with work well, but that’s less range than my rx100. The x5 looks better but then you lose the mid range, x3 in these models is just a crop

compact cameras and zoomies don't really go together. There are some bridge cameras under 1k that have great zoom, but they are horribly compromised in other ways and will take worse pics than a good phone camera in most circumstances. Built in GPS isnt a thing for cameras. Olde ones didnt know they could have it, new ones (mirrorless) are struggling for battery life as it is and really dont need the GPS drain.

fwiw, all the cool kids are buying these atm: https://www.wexphotovideo.com/fujifilm-x100vi-digital-camera-silver-3152725/?_gl=1*1wrdakj*_up*MQ..&gclid=CjwKCAjw_LOwBhBFEiwAmSEQAcFgSHtJy2kixvbPNrm1u7bt0hn3Z5YQmO5T5HMyPCOPftcQjP5Q-xoCh5oQAvD_BwE

I have used the Lumix TZ series with 30x optical zoom for years now. Pictures on full zoom are a bit hit and miss but generally it is a superb travel camera.  My iPhone is much better for low light shots. The LUMIX  has wireless transfer via the Panasonic image app.

Built in GPS isnt a thing for cameras.

My old TZ40 has built in GPS. In fact, that's one of the reasons I bought it. When I was surveying routes and signs, having the images geotagged was really handy.  Now I'd mostly use my phone for that though.

Never understood the love for the RX100.  I've got the 4 and I've borrowed the latest one (7?) for a couple of weeks to see if it had improved. It had but not enough to justify the price. On paper it should be perfect but it just feels awkward to use with badly placed buttons, a terrible interface, awful viewfinder and the pictures just don't look great no matter what I do. Basically I don't enjoy using it.

Contrast that with my old Fuji X-E2 which was just lovely to use, took good pictures even with cheap chinese lenses and was capable of amazing ones with expensive glass. I wish I'd never sold it - just looked on MPB and they have gone up in price, not down!   I think if I was buying another compact camera then one of the X-E range would be top of my list with the 27mm lens.  I wouldn't bother with a zoom as half the fun of using a 'retro' camera is slow photography. There is something zen about being restricted to one focal length and it feels different enough to the iPhone that its worth carrying both. However I prefer to have the option to switch lenses if needed hence not lusting after the X100 range

I fully agree on the rx100 range. They are the most frustrating camera I have ever used. More missed shots trying to remember how to change a setting than any other camera

'Paradigm'...🙄

If you're into photography, cameras are nicer to use than phones IME. But if phones mostly take better snaps and are almost always available, they're the default.

I have a drawer full of film SLR kit and a collection of film and digital compacts that never comes out to play. Never. I'm hoping that I'll get back into the creative (rather than merely recording) side of photography at some point and all that kit will see daylight again.

Until then, it's a phone 😔

Thing I've found with phones, SLRs and compacts is the different level of engagement the device allows/inspires/demands from you when you're taking a picture.

old film slr. You've got it in your hand because you want to take a picture. That's all you're doing with it - lovely, big, clear, bright viewfinder, you're got the camera in your face and the frame is all you can see, manual focus demands further attention. You're looking only at the image you'll see later, framed by black. film means you're careful when you push the button, too.

Phone - you're looking at a screen you look at plenty anyway, you've got loads of photos you spin through on there every so often, most only for a second. You hold it at arms length, the image on the screen is a poor second to the actual view you've got in front of you, particularly for landscapes. You can take a few and pick the best later - that'll do.

Obviously it's possible use a phone like a camera as a serious image capture device, with as much discipline and attention as you can muster but, certainly for me, it doesn't get the best of my creative efforts!

I had an LX7 that I really liked for the manual controls, really liked the aspect ratio switch on the bezel as well.

Currently looking at the X100s, thanks!

@nedrapier Well thats what I meant but much clearer 👍 A 'proper' camera (especially filum) is about the occasion of photography. A phone is just about snapping and I don't feel the same involvement as I do when holding my old OM 1, 2 or 4.

Sounds a bit wnky but that's 'art' for you... 🙃

For use on the bike? Always likes those Olympus Toughs. 7 looks similar spec to the 6, so might be a deal on the older one.

There must be something about a camera, cos people always ask if I'm bring a camera along to dos.

Always have my Pen with me. Usually prime lens, but it does have a cute pancake zoom which is handy and small enough to carry around.

Do use my phone too, but cameras are lovely IMO.

The influencers going on about Sony Coolpixs prompted me to find my Nikon P1, been using that. Hilarious, like a toy but pics not bad. Was the first compact with WiFi I think.

After singing the praises of modern phone cameras above, I should probably point out that I do use a Panasonic LX100 compact camera very occasionally and get great results from it considering its tiny size. Here's a few examples I shot in Stockholm:

Using a phone versus a camera is a bit like touch screens in cars. I hate not having physical dials and buttons.

My compacts are a little different to most. I have really got tired of millions of photos to sort through sitting on a computer. Take one or two snapshots then just enjoy whatever the moment was. Then a few weeks later I spend a happy hour or so developing.

Damn! My folks had one of those Agfamatics, I remember taking it on a school trip. 28mm cartridge isn't it? Something like that.

IMO computer trickery can only do so much and it's only getting worse with AI editing. Look at the Samsung fake moon pictures for an example. No replacement for displacement, in this case lens area.

I’ll qualify my comments about the rx100.

Firstly mine was genuinely cheap, £250 brand new

For me the ever ready case helps with the bar of soap feel. Also having a strap does elevate it above my phone in situations where dropping it would be a problem

I have eventually got it set up so I can use fairly effortlessly. ISO front dial, aperture rear dial and down press for exposure compensation

It’s been in quite a few trips and to me really delivered. It’s the zoom that sets it apart from my phone. That and the images often print better and with stand B&W conversion much better. I should add that I shoot raw add run everything through Lightroom. Shooting jpg would be harder to justify

Here is a link to section of what my rx100 pictures showing west the rx100 has done for.

https://www.flickr.com/gp/john_clinch/4Z26K0650e

For use on the bike? Always likes those Olympus Toughs. 7 looks similar spec to the 6, so might be a deal on the older one.

Almost identical spec , The TG-7 has a USB C port for charging rather than micro USB. Possibly an extra scene mode as well. I found the TG-7 for a better price than the TG-6.

More than one picture on the front of national newspapers have been taken on an iPhone. And I know this how? Well my friend is a one of the staff photographers for a red top. He says the best camera is the one you have with you, and the iPhone is an excellent camera for snaps. That said, I'd like a Leica, and will have one. One day. Fuji mid-format at the moment. Phones take great snaps, and can be processed reasonably and of course are backed up trivially. But sometimes it's nice to 'craft' an image. I also shoot B&W on a Nikon FM with 24mm f2.8 Nikkor. That's not much bigger than a compact camera.

Lovely, supernova. Are the panos cropped or stitched?

Mostly I use my GoPro if I want a better photo than my phone. No optical zoom, I just crop the image.

Pentax k5+ 50mm f1.4 lense mostly stays at home.
Sometimes it comes out with a pancake lense on and fits in a big jacket pocket.

Very occasionally my old cannon g9 comes out. Big pocket sized, with an optical zoom

Damn! My folks had one of those Agfamatics, I remember taking it on a school trip. 28mm cartridge isn’t it? Something like that.

16mm film in a 110 cartridge.

What is missing in digital cameras is a very high quality sensory with a very high quality lense and nothing else.

That's where I think film cameras have an advantage. The Olympus the the tiny Minolta 16 in my photo are straight up great lenses. Put a high quality sensor in it... Eg modern 100iso film. And you don't need anything else.

Even old folders. I have a voiglander that fits in a pocket that takes a picture that's 6x9cm at whatever quality the film is. That's a lot of pixels.

I still use a Canon G16 when I want to take better photos

It's only 12Mp but the lens is decent and good at low light levels

An iPhone 15 Pro has something like a 15-75mm lens range, shoots 48mp Raw and ProRes 4K video. It’s always in your pocket, waterproof and automatically backs the images up.

I’m not sure how any compact camera can compete with that. Other than not being £1500 of course!

I bought a second hand Sony mirrorless a6400 to use as an actual camera and because I did not really fancy strapping a pro iPhone to my camera helmet when I film FS or tandems. The camera itself takes great photos, but is dependent on the lens for a lot of the response and quality, so the kit mini-zoom is ok, but needs bright light and the 16mm pancake I have, while lighter than the kit lens, is a bit slower to focus.

Ideally I'd like something like the pancake, but with better low light capability and higher quality glass, but those are the prime lenses and they are heavy. The camera is heavy enough as it is with the cheap/small lens on and, yes, lightness helps when you are decelerating under a canopy. A lot of the time, the GoPro is enough, but stills are nice for the passengers.

I love the feel and styling of my fuji x100f, I spent a lot of time thinking about getting it as the 'right' simple fixed lens camera. It's a thing of beauty, I now spend a lot of time not using it sadly.

 I also shoot B&W on a Nikon FM with 24mm f2.8 Nikkor

I sold an FM to get my first Nikon DSLR (which I still have). Looking on eBay, the FM I had is now selling for 10-20 times what the DSLR is worth 🤷🏻‍♂️

Keep an eye on my local charity shops for another. I noticed Oxfam has quite a busy camera section on their site...

https://onlineshop.oxfam.org.uk/cameras/category/cameras

In time-honoured STW tradition of not addressing the OPs requirements, I'll suggest the Ricoh GR3 or GR3x. Fixed focal length, very small, easy to use, great image quality, rather expensive. I regret selling mine. I had it and the Fujifilm X100V and I couldn't justify keeping both, so I sold the Ricoh. Unfortunately that was the wrong choice and I couldn't get on with the Fujifilm so I sold that as well.

I oscillate between "best camera is the one you have with you, so take a small camera everywhere" and "what's the point of taking a photo if it isn't as sharp (etc) as it can be" so just taking my "big" camera or nothing.

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Lovely, supernova. Are the panos cropped or stitched?

Stitched.

In time-honoured STW tradition of not addressing the OPs requirements, I’ll suggest the Ricoh GR3 or GR3x

Hold my beer.

Fixed focal length

Fixed focus

3 shutter speeds

16 photos.

850g.

Still at least the lense pops in and out to save a whopping 20mm

Keep an eye on my local charity shops for another. I noticed Oxfam has quite a busy camera section on their site…

Look at your local auction  house. Look at the camera job lots.

Every camera I keep has been on top of profit of selling a few selectbpieces

Real shame Panasonic discontinued the Lumix TZ range.

Great quality, big optical zoom, easy to use while wearing gloves.

I just looked at my Lumix, it's a TZ and I detest it. I haven't used it in years. The lack of luminosity of the screen makes it unusable on bright snowy days. It's impossible to navigate the menus without the screen so impossible to use unless you stick your head inside a rucksac or under a coat to set it up for a pic. As for using it with gloves, surgical gloves maybe. What finished it for me was the number of lost video opportunites due to being lost in menus or unable to see anything on the screen. I really can't think of a more irritating device and I own a car with a touch screen and Android Auto.

This thread has prompted me unearth my Canon Ixus - 960 IS with Ti body.

Lovely camera - should start using it again; my DSLR has it's place but I don't want to carry camera bag/multiple lenses/tripod unless there's a specific objective.

The camera on my S22 is good but I can carry the Ixus with me as well.

Now, where's the battery charger?

I still use mine loads, an Ixus of some sort. The camera in my phone's really good tbh but it's still in my phone, it doesn't have the nice buttons and ease of use that you can only really get with a tool-for-one-job.

Also getting pictures off my phone keeps on ****ing with me, updates or badtempered USB cables or needing to log into something, it's not every time but maybe 1 time out of 10 I go to do it and something bloody annoying happens. It all feels like a case of "do it only the way we want you to". "We've improved your android user experience so now you don't know how to do anything", cheers for that

This thread's now cost me money!

Dug out the tiny WX220 this afternoon. Works fine but the zoom switch/motor is borked so fixed focal length only. Not super sophisticated by any means (18MP/10x zoom/no manual mode or raw) but still a hoot to use and the form factor is great, so off to eBay it was for one (hopefully) with a working zoom. Will probably once again become my go to carry it anywhere camera.

As an aside it's so small I still don't get why Sony (or anyone else) don't take a compact like this and graft a phone onto it. I'd happily take the extra thickness as a trade off for a 'proper' phone camera. As far as I can tell, the Sony compacts used the same processing as contemporary Sony phones anyway.

Damn, now I have to resist trawling eBay again for one of these...

Nikon have just bought Red so we could be about to get some very expensive but high quality compact / phone cameras that’ll make the iPhone seem cheap.

Xiaomi does a camera kit for their flagship Android that looks a bit like that Samsung camera/phone hybrid thing.

Thing is. When you start putting high-end cameras on or attached to specific phones. You are then at the mercy of the phone. I have old phones that no longer get updates and is essentially useless (funnily enough I actually use it as a back light for film negatives) as a phone and then what... You carry it asa camera and have a separate phone? Bin the decent camera?

By contrast I have a Lumix gf1 (or fg I forget) that's at least 12years old. It's still perfectly functional. How many people have a 12yearold usable android or iPhone?

Any recommendations for a good compact camera with small zoom that I could use with gloves and one handed while paragliding? I see some spectacular views but would like to get some photos! Phone is in use as a flight instrument so not that.

Surely for zoom you just paraglide closer?

Action camera with a wrist mount?

@TomB - might depend on the thickness of the gloves. I've used my TZ40 single handed with thinner MTB gloves on. I used to carry it in a bath mounted feed bag so that I could whip it out while riding. The power button is slightly recessed so I reckon it would be hard to operate it with a thick glove. The shutter button would be fine though.

Top tip: I use Sugru to mould a little dome on top of my shutter button so I can feel it with thicker gloves on.

Chapeau @scotroutes. Many years ago a friend gave me a Victorian cast iron bath as a present. Two of us laboured hard to get it up the stairs to my first floor flat. I suspect you have a mighty ftp and an interesting granny gear on your well equipped steed.

Any recommendations for a good compact camera with small zoom that I could use with gloves and one handed while paragliding? I see some spectacular views but would like to get some photos! Phone is in use as a flight instrument so not that.

I'd suggest a 360 cam, unless the focus of your flying is photography. Switch it on, forget about it, and focus on your flying. You can use timelapse if you want to save on space and battery life, and plug in a battery pack if you're going xc and need it to run all day. It won't get particularly good quality shots, but it'll get shots - no matter whether you're looking in the wrong direction, eating a sandwich, busy on the rear risers keeping your wing open... you get the idea.
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@joshvegas Wow! do you ever expose film in that Minolta16? I have one in a box somehere. 40+years ago as an enthusiastic teenager I built a raser blade film cutter jig to split 35mm FP4 out of a bulkloader into the two casettes I had for it. Processed in a dish in the dark as no tank to fit, and made some really low fi grainy pictures. So small a format that such limited enlargement was possible, it really was an almost completely useless photographic tool! but kind of a fun design!

I've a couple of Panasonic TZs sitting in a cupboard somewhere. I enquired about trading the older one in during a GoPro offer, they just gave me a discount code to nigh on the same amount without sending it in.

"just looked at my Lumix, it’s a TZ and I detest it. I haven’t used it in years. The lack of luminosity of the screen makes it unusable on bright snowy days. It’s impossible to navigate the menus without the screen so impossible to use unless you stick your head inside a rucksac or under a coat to set it up for a pic. As for using it with gloves, surgical gloves maybe. "

Got to agree with Edukator here. Got a Lumix for the wife based on popular recommendations, probably on here, and it was a piece of shit. Just loathsome.

I'd really love to get a decent compact if such things exist. Criteria:
Compact
Sticky
Easy to use with gloves on
Easy to use in bright sunlight

Perhaps a zoom
Probably decent resolution.

But all those ****awful unnecessary modes that the damn thing goes into, and then can't be got out of, whilst I'm holding it precariously at arms length half way up/ down a gully can just **** off.

I have a Fuji X30 I put back in its' box with the intension of selling it on as I haven't used it in 18 months. A really nice compact camera that takes great pics and seems to have developed a bit of a cult following, if online SH prices are anything to go by. I just cannot find the external charger having only ever used the USB cable so was hoping it would turn up and I could sell it on. If anyone has a use for it drop me a PM.

We like the Olympus TGx as they are rugged and waterproof and ours have survived years of battering  immersion in sea water and all kinds of other mistreatment.

It even taught me not to take pictures of lions mane jelly fish with my hand under the water.

Then I still have a functioning phone for emergencies.

I took my new iPhone 15 and 2011 Olympus XZ-1 compact to Italy last week but only managed to do one comparison shot.
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Compact set on P mode with -0.3 exposure compensation which is normally pretty good for street photography but you can see how the tower in the background is blown out compared to the iPhone. That said, the foreground IMHO looks more natural on the compact especially the water surface and the poles.

The iPhone wins hands down with hand held nightshots which I wouldn't even bother attempting with the compact.

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@cojacal yeah. Only been test rolls so far you can cut down q patterson tank reel to hold it (and still retain 35mm capacity).

I am in the process of trying to learn printing. I'll show a picture when i do a 16mm.

The idea is to cut 120 sown for some 127 cameras (127 is discontinued) i have and use the offcuts in the minolta or the agfamatic.

I've put my Sony RX100 IV in my car to try and force myself to use it.

Will post up if I get round to taking anything of note

shinton, has the iPhone used HDR to get the tower exposed correctly despite being much brighter than the majority of the scene? I guess a 2011 compact doesn't have HDR.

I'm sure some of the camera blogs will have done a current generation comparison.

@bikesandboots yes the default setting for iPhone is HDR so it always takes a few shots in rapid succession with different exposures and blends them together.

yes the default setting for iPhone is HDR so it always takes a few shots in rapid succession with different exposures and blends them together.

See, this is the crunch. Could you be bothered to take bracketed exposures with the camera and merge them in LR, you'd probably (possibly) get a better finished shot.

It's the fact that the phone has the software to do it's own editing to a greater degree than the camera that adds to the convenience.

Like for like, I doubt the phone could take a better single raw image than the camera. But lack of faff for mostly social media usage gives it the trump card

My Olympus Pen does bracketed exposure and focus too, so pretty easy to achieve the same effect. I use focus stacking quite a bit.

Remember these? APS film, found this one for 99p so using it this week. Had a part-exposed film in it too, so who knows what pics I'll find.

My olympus pen does heehaw other than perform almost perfectly. And squeeze 72 shots out of a 36exp roll.

Half frame? So is normal orientation portrait, you have to hold it vertical for landscape?

Do you know what the best *compact* camera (which is not really mega compact) is the Sony a7c.

Absolutely rammed with features and high end full frame spec.  It's a proper camera that is small for a full frame body.

When I had the rx100 I always ended up using the a7c. There is a nice compact 20-60mm compact kit lens too.

If not that then my Xiaomi 13 Ultra does the job.

The a7c is still fiddly to use but much better than the rx100.

But obviously very pricey.

I'm not a zoom shooter preferring primes anyway. But compacts tend to go down the zoom route.

Half frame? So is normal orientation portrait, you have to hold it vertical for landscape?

Correct. Forever walking round looking like am doing it wrong. You get used to it. The square formats are harder to adjust to you desperately want to rotate to get the framing you want and nothing happens (with the exception of the weird camera i posted earlier in the thread... Rotate that and the shutter speed changes!)

The pen is a great camera, same deal as the trip. It won't let you take a bad exposure, it doesn't take batteries, its fixed focus with a sharp lense. It limits any kind of artistic endeavour other than framing but for 72 exposures you get a lovely set of photos for a weekend away.

I find myself wanting a Fuji X-T5, but can't justify it until I start making use of the cameras I already own

Also want a decent camera phone as the (when I bought it) top end Samsung S22 Ultra is awful. Don't really want to switch to Apple though. Like the look of the Xiaomi 14 Ultra, but it gets a lot of negative comments on the FB page

Suspect that a few of the compacts mentioned eg Sony rx100 IV or a7c will have a setting somewhere to do autoHDR exposures....

But suspect Shinton's older Olympus doesn't.