[Closed] AO.com van littering Dales

Yes.

Images to complaints email address, along with date and time, vehicle will have tracker.

Tell the company and maybe local environmental health or whoever it is gives the fines for littering

empty beer can

I'm sure their transport manager would be interested. Then again, given the shortage of drivers, maybe not...

Report it to AO? 🤷🏻‍♂️

Depends how seriously you think AO will take it. If you think they'll take it seriously, then send it direct to them. If you think you'll be fobbed off, then it sounds like a job for Twitter.

How outraged are you and do you want the driver or his mate to lose his job? (Which window?)

do you want the driver or his mate to lose his job? (Which window?

And open a job opportunity for someone who's less of a tool? Sounds good.
The job needs done, let someone better have it

Report the bugger.

1st rule of life is don’t be a dick & littering is definitely a dick move.

do you want the driver or his mate to lose his job?

Yes please.

Yes please

This.

There's no excuse for it this was on the local fb group today

https://www.totalmk.co.uk/news/persistent-offender-fined-for-littering-in-milton-keynes?

I'm certainly no fan of littering and the responsible person needs pulling up on it. However, job loss could have much further reaching consequences.

There's also the fact that fear of losing a job might have a greater effect on behaviour than the sense of embitterment from actually losing it.

It came from the passenger window.

I don’t get why it was so difficult for them to discard their rubbish when they arrived back at the depot, I would assume that they also did it at that location for the fact that it was the middle of nowhere and they perhaps thought nobody was watching. It demonstrates a level of disrespect to their surroundings and other people, I would not like to have these individuals in my house fitting a washing machine.

I have messaged AO in instagram as it’s easier to send them a video that way for now

What’s job loss got to do with OP. His issue is with dickish behaviour. It’s up to employer / environmental health to figure out what to do. It’s up to the perp to deal with any consequences.

Report it.

The point was, the method of reporting would likely influence the response.

Doing it publicly on social media would more likely lead to a harsher response so the company doesn't look soft on this sort of thing.

I'd report direct to the company and if they decide to terminate, fair enough.

Judging by the amount of trash, including food wrappers, cans, coffee cups, etc, that I see in vans and hire/lease vehicles, like Enterprise and Arval, I’m surprised the passenger saw fit to lob their crap out of the window, instead of dropping it on the floor, under the seats, in the door pockets, like they usually do.

However, job loss could have much further reaching consequences.

Don’t be a massive tosser then?

^ That. If he loses his job a more responsible person will gain one, win win

The ceo is quite active on Twitter. Post an image up and tag them in it, they’ll be all over it

Are you kidding? I'd have pulled over and rung their head office there and then.

Absolutely no excuses. Rule 1, as above.

And send in the footage and reg to whomever the relevant police department is,most have an online portal.

I don’t have twitter, but happy to email the video for someone else to put up

Aye, no excuses. They'll get another job, IF they're fired.

And maybe in their new job they might think twice before lobbing their litter out of the windows
Unfortunately, they wont. Scum people will always be scummy and will just lob it when there is no car following close enough to see

I once saw a bloke chuck a fag packet out the window while he was parked up in Reeth. I went & picked it up & lobbed it back in, telling him in no uncertain terms what I thought.
I’d do it again. I’d have been inclined to stop & pick it up, catch the van & wait till he stopped & give him it back, reminding him I’ve got it on dashcam. I know that road well BTW.
I find McDonalds crap everywhere I go on the bike, naffs me right off.

I find McDonalds crap everywhere I go on the bike, naffs me right off

Why is it almost always McDonald's and KFC, almost never the local chippy or Indian takeaway?

Having pulled AO up before (making a delivery and stopped on zigzags outside a primary school), I’d expect them to take any complaint seriously.

Report it directly. It's up to AO as to how seriously they take it. If they decide it's a sacking offence then that's on them not you.

If you don't get an acceptable response, to wit action had been taken and the occupants warned, then take it to social media.

Why is it almost always McDonald’s and KFC, almost never the local chippy or Indian takeaway?

Packaging. It's a lot harder to eat a chicken tikka masala with rice and a side order of poppadoms whilst driving.

I once saw a bloke chuck a fag packet out the window while he was parked up in Reeth. I went & picked it up & lobbed it back in, telling him in no uncertain terms what I thought.

I saw someone drop a mask out their window at a junction a while back. I'm normally pretty mild-mannered but I flipped and saw red to be honest.

Followed them all over town in my van until I could pull up alongside and ask them just what the flippin effin duck they were doing. 😂

Complete and utter selfish A-holes.

Shop him good. No need to consider someone who doesn't consider anyone. 👍

Why is it almost always McDonald’s and KFC, almost never the local chippy or Indian takeaway?

Packaging. It’s a lot harder to eat a chicken tikka masala with rice and a side order of poppadoms whilst driving.

And yet I never seem to find Waitrose or Sainsbury's sandwich packaging, or craft beer bottles, when picking up litter.

Went out on foot along the local railway track with bag and grabber four days ago, fed up with grinding my teeth while cycling along it. Got this in two km, too big to fit into my 70l rucsac.
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We're the generation that's concerned about the environment and going to save the planet. Riiight. We are so ****ed.

Why is it almost always McDonald’s and KFC, almost never the local chippy or Indian takeaway?

Local chippy usually doesn't have a drive through. These people are too lazy to get out for food

We have an A0 depot on the same industrial estate as us. (Avonmouth) They drive like complete tools, without exception. I have been stood outside talking to a customer when one stopped and opened the passenger door, he then proceeded to kick out all the rubbish from the cab floor. Right in front of us! He was probably 200m from the depot! The caliber of driver they have is low.

Why is it almost always McDonald’s and KFC, almost never the local chippy or Indian takeaway?

They’re open 24/7, they’re cheaper and of course instantly recognisable.

We’re the generation that’s concerned about the environment and going to save the planet. Riiight. We are so ****.

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Went out on foot along the local railway track with bag and grabber four days ago, fed up with grinding my teeth while cycling along it

That's fantastic. Can't help think you'll be grinding your teeth even worse though when it inevitably returns 😥

I sometimes wonder if actually not picking these moron's rubbish up for a while, letting it completely go, might make something click for them. As it is, they chuck it out and eventually, someone comes along and picks it up for them.
Doubtful though.

And send in the footage and reg to whomever the relevant police department is,most have an online portal.

Environmental Health at the council, it's not a police matter. You'll need to be available for a court date and convince that you will attend. They send out a letter asking for some money or a chance for the miscreant to have their day in court.

Please report.
I absolutely detest people who litter.
Even a cig butt being discarded is a massive no no.

@sandwich im not sure you are correct there. In NWales the Police give nonendorsable penalties for litering from motor vehicles.

Ian

I’m not normally someone to name and shame but this was taking the biscuit, company van and in a National park.. come on

Question is, is there anything I can do?

Without meaning to come across as rude, you saw someone in a company vehicle throwing crap out of it in a national park and you're asking whether you should do something about it? Of course you should. The effort you went to writing the question on a bike forum could have been spent writing an email to them, cc'ing in North Yorkshire Police and the National Park.

I sometimes wonder if actually not picking these moron’s rubbish up for a while

I think it's the other way round.

I picked up about 25 discarded bags of dog excrement hanging from trees alongside my normal dog walk a few years ago, before lockdown, and it's still not returned.

Oh, and yes, report them.

They’re open 24/7, they’re cheaper and of course instantly recognisable

That’s the reason they’re popular, not the reason a large % of their customers are Dicks.

It's really galling to me to see E.g. the Peak District being littered out of sheer selfish laziness.

It really irritates me, but I suspect that's a symptom of my middle-class upbringing. Clearly there's a whole load of people who don't see it as such an issue, perhaps because where they live they have bigger problems than a few stray crisp packets.

I don't know what the answer is. But moaning about to like-minded people doesn't get the job done.

And yet I never seem to find Waitrose or Sainsbury’s sandwich packaging, or craft beer bottles, when picking up litter.

Kudos for picking the litter though - I definitely think there is an inertia effect, where if people see litter lying about they'll be more inclined to copy. People don't want to be the first.

I hate litter obviously and litterers. In the countryside as opposed to town I guess it's more likely to be a fluffy squirrel than a diseased pigeon that could potentially be harmed by some of it.Or fed. But really is it worse to drop litter in Greenhow (actually just outside the national park in the nidderdale area of outstanding natural grouse shooting) rather than Keighley (rough, basically) say?

I think you know the answer to that

I always respect the boundaries of the National Park when fly-tipping. Areas of Outstanding Natural Beauty? Fair game.

Well I can’t find anything on the Harrogate council website to report it.

Nothing on the AO website to report it either..

I think it’s the other way round.

I picked up about 25 discarded bags of dog excrement hanging from trees alongside my normal dog walk a few years ago, before lockdown

In my experience, folks must think it's a service that's provided, as it comes back all the time.
They leave it there, it gets taken.
Would dearly love to rub their faces in it.

Reported on twitter to them with a screenshot of the video in an open public reply

but I suspect that’s a symptom of my middle-class upbringing

I'm as working class as can be and can assure you, most respectfully, that is absolute shite.

I’m as working class as they come and I started this thread and now subsequently have reported the incident.

Tossers are tossers, their background makes no difference

In fact I also drive a company van fully logoed up

It really irritates me, but I suspect that’s a symptom of my middle-class upbringing.

Welcome back to the 1960s!

Welcome back to the 1960s!

The cool thing is, we never left!

Why is it almost always McDonald’s and KFC, almost never the local chippy or Indian takeaway?

Have you tried eating a curry in your car?! 😂

@breninbeener I expect your rules in Wales may be different to the English ones. I had a nice chat with our EHO in Suffolk and they are willing to go after people but the reporting person has to commit else it's not worth their time. I believe the fines in court if they don't accept the fixed penalty are a bit stiff.

That’s the reason they’re popular, not the reason a large % of their customers are Dicks.

Because they’re popular more waste is produced. Also you can’t recognise a generic takeaway container’s source.

In the countryside as opposed to town I guess it’s more likely to be a fluffy squirrel than a diseased pigeon that could potentially be harmed by some of it.

It's still a bloody eyesore.

It does seem to be a uniquely British problem too. Everywhere has it's rougher areas of course, but I don't recall ever seeing it being anything like here whilst on holiday in continental Europe or the US. It's like, it's so widespread we're blind to it, we just expect it.

Great British pride! Sovereignty! Best country in the world! *throws fast food wrappers out of the car*

I think you know the answer to that

What? Presumably that it's worse to chuck shite out of a van window in Greenhow than in Keighley? Because one's pretty and the other isn't? (Fwiw K has its nice bits; G is just bleak, though the struggle up the hill means my rose tinted specks have misted over by the time I'm there...) I don't think it is that obvious though. I'd never litter in either, but doing it in town is going to piss more people off and be more immediately antisocial.

You could argue that folks who litter are just lazy and don't care about others, and are unconstrained by social norms etc and more likely to infract a bunch of laws. And also maybe that they don't feel any particular stake in whatever environment they're messing up as a possible reason why they do it. Whatever, this all matters more in the middle of town than in the middle of nowhere.

this all matters more in the middle of town than in the middle of nowhere.

I'd say the opposite.

It's unacceptable anywhere, but if I have see a pile of discarded beer cans then I'd far rather it was in town than in somewhere leafy. I go to the countryside to get away from the scrotes and all their shit, and singletrack doesn't tend to attract many road sweepers.

Either way. Just because something is worse something else doesn't mean we should stop caring about the something else.

Sorry, bit off-topic but this thread prompted a couple of thoughts.

Why do McDonalds and KFC have to brand their outer packaging, surely generic brown paper would be cheaper for them.

If it's for advertising benefit then is there a way maybe to charge/fine them if their bags are littered.

Maybe all outer packaging, carrier bags etc should be banned from being branded or be taxable maybe...If they aren't making money from advertising on their packaging maybe they would reduce it...

If it’s for advertising benefit then is there a way maybe to charge/fine them if their bags are littered.

Petty sure that there have been proposals to go one better than that by printing the reg. number of the vehicle on drive-thru bags so the offender can be traced and not the provider.

Petty sure that there have been proposals to go one better than that by printing the reg. number of the vehicle on drive-thru bags so the offender can be traced and not the provider.

More expense for them though & the scruffs would just tear the registration off the package or use a marker pen over it.
Na, Mcdonalds, KFC & Costa need to do more to educate their consumers. I mean monkeys can learn so why not customers.

I was thinking of invoicing McD's, Costa etc for disposing of their litter and chasing them for the inevitable unpaid invoice.
Same litter - every day.

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Christ is that one of Bert's poo bags?!

Na, Mcdonalds, KFC & Costa need to do more to educate their consumers. I mean monkeys can learn so why not customers

It's hard to educate against selfishness, it's not stupidity that causes people to litter

I was thinking of invoicing McD’s, Costa etc for disposing of their litter and chasing them for the inevitable unpaid invoice.
Same litter – every day.

Or just walk into the nearest branch each day and empty the bag out on the floor in front of the counter...

Shame you can't send parcels to them/head office and make them deal with it (and the cost of postage) there. Hundreds of bags turning up each day from all over the country might make a point.

Personally, the polystyrene containers are a bigger issue, last bloody years. And all our local Chinese takeaways seem to completely ignore the plastic bag charge.

To be quite honest, I'd happily see the back of takeaways altogether.

Or just walk into the nearest branch each day and empty the bag out on the floor in front of the counter…

What do you suppose that's going to achieve, other than create a load of work for minimum wage staff?

I think see where you're going, but it's not their fault. It's like giving a call-centre handler a bollocking because your delivery is late. Filling a tipper with the stuff and depositing it at their head office could be a different story.

I don't really know what McD's et al can do though. Their packaging isn't overly excessive and the thing about takeaways is, well, the clue's in the name. There's not a lot McD's can be expected to do when the customer is halfway up the M6.

More expense for them though & the scruffs would just tear the registration off the package or use a marker pen over it.

UV printing?

Hell, they wouldn't need to even do it so long as they could successfully convince everyone that they were. Pane of glass on the serving hatch counter with a purple light under it, tell all the staff it's an invisible ink printer.

To be quite honest, I’d happily see the back of takeaways altogether.

There's not much there aside from the bins.

Whatever, this all matters more in the middle of town than in the middle of nowhere.

That's really just a human perspective. Remember that litter is massively damaging and dangerous for animals and the environment in general.

I don't need to post a picture of an animal garroted by discarded beer can ties. Most of us have seen that stuff, or plastics breaking down into water courses etc.

It's not just about how litter affects us.

There’s not much there aside from the bins.

First laugh of the morning!

Riding around our gorgeous countryside it was noticeable the changes when a local Costa coffee opened. Discarded cups and wrappers are found in hedgerows, farmers fields, even trails that I've mtbed on for years.
If one challenges these litter louts then a firing off of abuse and even threatening behaviour puts me off. But I see red mist and absolutely love our local countryside, fauna and flora, meaning it's hard not to mention it.
A few years ago I wrote to the new head of our local primary school and littering was almost gone from the area around and about when she sent out a letter, (I think the mention of rats put people off dropping their crap). Would you believe it was mostly the parents and not their offspring who were the perpetrators.

I don’t need to post a picture of an animal garroted by discarded beer can ties.

Hence my leading with fluffy squirrels vs diseased pigeons comment. I'm not advocating littering in the country, just wondering why it's seen as worse than in town. If people respect and look after where they live, I'd say it's likely they'll look after the countryside too. I just don't like a town vs country bipolarity.

Anyway, back on track. Have AO responded to the tweet yet?

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, Mcdonalds, KFC & Costa need to do more to educate their consumers. I mean monkeys can learn so why not customers

It’s hard to educate against selfishness, it’s not stupidity that causes people to litter

TBH honest McDs do have quite strong guidelines and send teams out of litter duty in the area near by. The issue is the ****tards that drive to the nearest beauty spot / dogging site/ car park and smoke weed and then chuck the stuff out of their windows
(if anyone know the Shoreham area, I was cycling up past Mill Hill yesterday and there were about 10 or McDs cartons that someone had lobbed out of the window)

I saw a load of McD's crap on the roadside between Reeth & Gunnerside, god knows where the nearest McDonalds is to there but the tramps must've saved it up to piss me off!

I don’t need to post a picture of an animal garroted by discarded beer can ties.

I always cut / rip mine up.

It looks like we're finally addressing this now. I've started seeing 4-packs with cardboard rings, or effectively glued together.

there were about 10 or McDs cartons that someone had lobbed out of the window

What's the saying, the best way to create a large crowd is to start with a small one? First person just doesn't care, second thinks "what shall I do with my wrappers? Oh, I'll just put it next to the other one, they'll probably get cleaned up together" then before you know it there's a big pile of shit so "what's one more cup?"

Yep, this is my thinking. Broken windows theory applied to littering. I have to compartmentalise it to stop it becoming a full time job (that ends with me hanging from a tree). Pick up discrete items if I'm out on foot or the bike; go out on a mission locally specifically to clear out paths/tracks I use. I prefer to take public transport or ride out of the door, but when I do use the car I make a point of cleaning up wherever I've parked, thus:

I don't delude myself I'm making a difference; the barbarians are at the gates, but if you're not part of the solution, etc.