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When out and about, shopping etc.
Seems it may become compulsory on public transport and in shops.
I only have my Hannibal Lector cycle one and the PPE ones on eBay are the same price as a house.
Not yet, based on evidence more than anything, but have ordered some for the family ready for the inevitable requirements as per most European countries.
I wear a Buff round my neck when I'm out on the bike.
I pull it over my mouth when I have to pass people on a narrow bit of trail.
If I went to the supermarket I'd do the same
Buff in supermarket. For the minimal risk involved, it's not worth going full PPE standard.
I pull it over my mouth when I have to pass people on a narrow bit of trail.
Do you manage that without touching your face? Sounds like you are swapping a tiny risk for a bigger one.
I knew this would come in handy one day
Yep. Polka dot one made from a pair of Mrs. S's PJs.
She made us one each.
I never thought I’d see WCA in the buff
Do you manage that without touching your face? Sounds like you are swapping a tiny risk for a bigger one.
If masks become compulsory the purpose is to prevent asymptotic people unwittingly infecting others - its not to protect the wearer. - So a face covering is all thats called for - a buff would be fine.
You may need to touch your face to do that but you can also, you know.. wash your hands first.
Buff plus made some. Completely normal here in Belgium now. Wear them in shops and in public if there are a lot of other people around. Don't wear them when riding though
In the supermarket, yes. Not sure of the benefits but people seem to give me a wider berth than normal !!
Do you think theres a market for buffs printed with a photo of your own face?
I'll be using a buff.
I've seen some chancers on the internet charging £12 for a printed bit of cloth in a mask shape, don't think I'll bother thanks.
Do you think theres a market for buffs printed with a photo of your own face?
Apparently, this will work to unlock your phone (also seen on the internet) .
If we have to wear masks in supermarkets, how will they know if we are shoppers or cowboys about to rob them?
If we have to wear masks in supermarkets, how will they know if we are shoppers or cowboys about to rob them?
If you turn up on a horse, they will know.
Normal now in Spain, I ended up putting one on for my last visit to the supermarket. I certainly don't wear one on my bike or running, though.
Not used one in anger yet, but I've prepared a buff and a "proper" mask that looks like one of those old Dr Whites sanitary products.
I can't work out how to wear them without making my glasses steam up though. Is there a knack?
I'll probably be more dangerous blundering about with one than seeing where I'm going without.
If we have to wear masks in supermarkets, how will they know if we are shoppers or cowboys about to rob them?
By the colour of your Stetson.
If it's a black one, they better hand over the loot.
I can’t work out how to wear them without making my glasses steam up though. Is there a knack?
Fold it over a pipe cleaner / straightened out paper clip / other random bit of flexible wire which'll allow you to force it into a tight fit around the bridge of your nose.
My wife had the sewing machine out a couple of weeks back and knocked up a supply of masks for us all with paperclips sewn into the nose bit. Works a treat.
Mine are Black Watch tartan.
If masks become compulsory the purpose is to prevent asymptotic people unwittingly infecting others – its not to protect the wearer. – So a face covering is all thats called for – a buff would be fine.
The point was that the poster was pulling it up whenever he passed someone and, I presume, down again afterwards. So potentially touching his face each time. One of the things to be avoided. And only during a fleeting pass outside with a tiny risk of transmission.
You may need to touch your face to do that but you can also, you know.. wash your hands first.
I'm not sure how you wash your hands every time you touch it, especially while riding a bike.
A mate of mine is a bit of an ace tailor in his spare time. He's made us all masks.
Locally, mask usage seems to be dropping and even those who are wearing them often have their nose uncovered... 🙄
My wife wears one on the very few occasions she goes to the shops but I’ve only done it once and spent the entire time trying exhale downwards so my glasses didn’t steam up.
Do you manage that without touching your face? Sounds like you are swapping a tiny risk for a bigger one.
If masks become compulsory the purpose is to prevent asymptotic people unwittingly infecting others – its not to protect the wearer. – So a face covering is all thats called for – a buff would be fine.
You may need to touch your face to do that but you can also, you know.. wash your hands first.
Let's consider that in detail... If you're CV+ and asymptomatic, the mask will reduce the cough-radius, but get more infection on your hands each time you adjust it. So if you're, say, shopping in a supermarket you'll leave a trail of infected surfaces. If you're CV-, then the mask won't filter out air-borne virus, but you're picking up shopping from the shelves which has been contaminated by earlier CV+ customers, and then adjusting your mask with those same hands. You won't be washing your hands after every piece of shopping you pick up, surely?
A mask could help, as you say, but only if it's well-fitted and the wearer doesn't need to adjust it frequently. In the real world, how likely is that?
Having said that, I foresee that it will become compulsory at some point, so it's as well to be aware of these things so they can be allowed for.
Went to the chemists to get my parent's prescriptions for them yesterday with my two layers of buff pulled up over my face and my gloves only to realise I'd forgotten the sawn off
My Mum has made some for me, I feel like a child again... it’s great.
Where I live (Nobland) it would appear C19 has been eradicated since STAY AT HOME was replaced with STAY ALERT. Went to ASDA the other day and there was no social distancing, full families shopping with kids picking up product and putting it back. A group of four lads on bikes came in to get meal deals. Sandwich picked up. Sandwich put back. Another sandwich picked up... and put back. Same with drinks. So I have and will continue to sanitise everything I bring into the house.
Just wait for the second MASSIVE spike.
Seen quite a few people driving around, alone, with the windows up, wearing a mask. Not sure who they think they are protecting.
Local shops have signs up encouraging mask wearing, but I'd say only about 20-30% are wearing them.
Supermarket is providing gloves for everyone.
Shopping ? no sireee, not done that.... not planning on either.. like near other humans ? nooooo.
The point was that the poster was pulling it up whenever he passed someone and, I presume, down again afterwards. So potentially touching his face each time. One of the things to be avoided. And only during a fleeting pass outside with a tiny risk of transmission.
Not if they don't touch anything.
I’m not sure how you wash your hands every time you touch it, especially while riding a bike.
You don't need to unless you touch something.... other than my controls I don't touch anything when I'm out on my bike. Regardless I carry a spray bottle of isopropyl and nitrile gloves anyway.
I bought some from China at the beginning of this mess. My Mrs has been making lots of them, again with pipe cleaners. Haven't worn one yet but will do so.
I wear one in Tesco when doing the "big shop". More as a comfort blanket type thing for me as I know that wearing one may not do me any real good, but it certainly won't do me any harm.
How long before the VE Day Conga/BBQ spike kills a few more nurses?
Yep, been using a buff for rides and in the supermarket yesterday.
Noticed many more masks in the supermarket, hardly any gloves.
I know that wearing one may not do me any real good,
That's the point isn't it? - the message is, you wear a mask to protect others. *Their* masks protect you.
Nope, haven't got one. I'd say the majority of shoppers I've seen in Lidls are wearing them, but no-one in the Tesco Express nearby.
Actually just remembered I've got a few dust masks from when we sanded a floor. Would that do the job?
Buff in shops,
But I am very much aware that the purpose of doing so is not really to protect me, if I want to do that I’d have to wear properly rated and fitted ppe
Rather
In case I am unknowingly infected it will help prevent me passing it on.
If more folks understood that I think wearing would increase a lot,
Gloves on the other hand are a total waste of time, they really are meant to be single use and dispose of them,
Much better to wash hands way more often than normal
Went to ASDA the other day and there was no social distancing, full families shopping with kids picking up product and putting it back.
I refuse point blank to set foot in Asda ever again due the total lack of social distancing advice / signage / enforcement in our branch.
Had to go into a care home for work the other day, including into a residents bedroom and the toilets, reception didn't even offer or suggest hand sanitisation but did insist on wearing of face masks...
Wife made a few for eldest daughter who is having to commute into London
I'm not wholly convinced that a Buff is dense enough to usefully reduce escape velocity of evil particles. Two layers of thickly woven cotton seems to be the acceptable standard for effectively protecting others - or a double layer of kitchen towel inside a fabric mask. Buffs, particularly I guess if you have a prominent chin which stretches the fabric, seem a bit sub par. I guess you could insert some kitchen towel / cotton under / between layers in the mouth/nose area if that bothers you.
I used a mask yesterday when I went into my GP to have some blood samples taken. They asked me to and the missus bought some way back in time when this thing was only just beginning to kick off.
A friend of mine is making them so I have got some - but not used them yet. Much nicer to wear than hospital PPE masks. I will wear one when appropriate ie in places where you cannot get your 2 m
nope and unlikely to
nope and unlikely to
Why is this, just out of (professional) interest?
Thing with a buff seems to me to be that when you take it off you smear whatever's on it all over your face.
I’m not wholly convinced that a Buff is dense enough to usefully reduc
The probability of someone infected, infectious and coughing/sneezing while you are in their vicinity is already extremely small.
Thing with a buff seems to me to be that when you take it off you smear whatever’s on it all over your face.
All the stuff you exhaled?
Why is this, just out of (professional) interest?
Won't be using public transport or be around the public either so no need to wear one.
I have been and gloves.
It might be a placebo but if I have covid and it stops me spreading it all over people who for some unknown reason won't keep 2mts. less work for the NHS and the sooner you can all get back to work
I don't wear one to protect either others or myself. I wear a buff purely to comply with German law in the supermarket etc. Buff gets put on at the entrance, and pulled back down again the moment I step out in to fresh air again.
Not so bad right now, but it's gonna be fun in July if it's 38C outside.
The probability of someone infected, infectious and coughing/sneezing while you are in their vicinity is already extremely small.
Isn't the point mostly that it's there to reduce your ability to spread virus if you are infected rather than to protect you from others.
Isn’t the point mostly that it’s there to reduce your ability to spread virus if you are infected rather than to protect you from others.
The emphasis being on ‘if you are infected’. I’m very confident that I’m not.
As and when I finally go back to work, if wearing a mask when in the presence of others, I’ll wear a buff, which I do at work anyway.
Went to the chemists to get my parent’s prescriptions for them yesterday with my two layers of buff pulled up over my face and my gloves only to realise I’d forgotten the sawn off
We’ve all been there my friend. I might ask my mum to knit me one of those 80’s woollen balaclavas that just had the one big eye hole.
Yes.
It's mandatory in Qatar and has quicky become the new normal. Seeing someone without a mask is the strange thing. No big deal.
You can buy packs of government subsidised surgical masks from chain chemists such as Boots very reasonably.
All shops now take your temp on entry and supermarkets have glove wearing as mandatory (they are supplied).
They help and as it's not actually that big a deal, why not?
You avoid spreading things yourself, breathing things in, and touching your face with your hands. It was 39 degC here today and still fine.
Yep.
Inside shops & on public transport.
I’m in Z3 of Landaaarrrnnn...
Been wearing either ffp2/3 for weeks now when in shops, chemist etc.
Only time I don't wear one is if imn just going for a walk or ride as I can happily stay away from people. Even then I have a fold flat p3 mask in my pocket just in case.
I'm "shielding" someone so it's more about me not catching it rather than protecting others as such. Hence p2/3 masks.
I too can be seen wearing them in a car by myself occasionally as once the mask is on, it doesn't get touched till I am home and indoors. I'm absolutely fastidious about how I use them too.
Initial annoyance was glasses steaming up but a tiny amount of soap polished into lens sorts that.
Well I for one am pleased to find out that buffs and bits of old pyjamas are going to save us all.
I’m surprised people who work with asbestos and other (much larger than a virus) Airbourne hazards didn’t get on this years ago!
Tradesman called today to do some work at home, he wore a mask and rubber gloves seemed strange at first chatting to somebody off Casualty
Well I for one am pleased to find out that buffs and bits of old pyjamas are going to save us all.
I’m surprised people who work with asbestos and other (much larger than a virus) Airbourne hazards didn’t get on this years ago!
How many folk exhale asbestos?
^^ Lol, good point!
Well I for one am pleased to find out that buffs and bits of old pyjamas are going to save us all.
I’m surprised people who work with asbestos and other (much larger than a virus) Airbourne hazards didn’t get on this years ago!
I'm ready for your suggestions that will help the general public then?
How many folk exhale asbestos?
They wouldn’t need to worry about it getting in to start with if they had a magic buff on
I’m ready for your suggestions that will help the general public then?
Well you could pull your tee shirt up over your nose like when someone farted at primary school
Or go with a proper ffp3 mask at a minimum, but then that costs actual money and didn’t come free with a magazine
"The general public" need/should wear masks to protect others if they have the virus so ffp3 not necessary or achievable given the numbers. So buffs,scarf, homemade stuff do the job to one degree or another.
Ffp2/3 are more about protecting the wearer rather that protecting those around the wearer.
What is the rate of infection like in Muslim countries where a lot of the population already have to cover their faces?
A lot of the population?
Do you mean women?
But a fabric mask like that won’t stop inhalation/exhalation on any meaningful level as you can still breathe though it pretty much unhinded.
I believe things like that and gloves just breed complacency.
Get given gloves to go round the supermarket with? Pick up loads of stuff, I’m ok, I’ve got gloves on, get your phone/card out to pay, put it back in your pocket or bag.
How many people can honestly say they’ve disinfected their card,wallet,handbag,phone, put all their clothes on a boil wash when they get home
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How many people can honestly say they’ve disinfected their card,wallet,handbag,phone, put all their clothes on a boil wash when they get home
Hand on heart I do all that apart from the clothing boil wash. That gets treated as potentially contaminated (not so much of I've just been for a walk rather than a fast shop) and I change out of it in the hall. Goes on a long wash. From what I've read, cv19 only lasts a matters of hours on fabrics. I rarely go to shops so by the next time I wear that clothing I hope everything is inert.
I also spray all parcels/food packaging that comes into the house with a disinfectant that kills other corona viruses in the hope it kills cv19 too.
I don't take wallet. Just card. Avoid taking mobile but if I have to it'll stay, untouched, in my pocket unless my smart watch says it's a call I must take.
If used, card and phone get cleaned with IPA. Watch gets cleaned, separately before I wash hands again.
No handbag.👍
I'm no trained lab tech but I'm doing my bloody best. I don't wear gloves as I consider them pointless for me. I consider that the act of taking them off can cross contaminate me and wash my hands anyway. So I don't wear them and concentrate on the hand washing. Spray bottle of IPA always in pocket when out.
I'm fastidious with masks and fully aware of cross contamination risks and they certainly don't make me complacent. Quiet the opposite.
I'm not even beginning to suggest all the above is necessary for most. My cousin is a bit different to many. It's just how I'm handling this situation based on the assumption that Covid is going to be around for some time and I need to get in to good routines for the long term.
How many people can honestly say they’ve disinfected their card,wallet,handbag,phone, put all their clothes on a boil wash when they get home
We've negated that by not going to the Supermarket 🙂 Delivery today.... we've not been ANYWHERE to come in contact with people and will continue to do so.
Or go with a proper ffp3 mask at a minimum, but then that costs actual money and didn’t come free with a magazine
So we should all buy proper PPE and stop the health services from being able to have them ? Seems, well, pretty wrong to me. I'd happily go with the best mask money can buy, but personally i feel that should be worn by the guy/girl treating Covid patients, not some random bloke walking round a Tescos.
TBH i think you're throwing up a pretty negative view when people are just trying (maybe failing) to keep other people alive.
How many people can honestly say they’ve disinfected their card,wallet,handbag,phone, put all their clothes on a boil wash when they get home
The viral load on an item is going to be tiny, as is any chance of high enough viral load when passing someone on a bike unless they sneeze directly into your face as you ride by.
Going into a shop or office for long periods of time is completely different and stopping some of the breath droplets coming out of each person for many hours is the best thing to do.
Wear a mask in indoor places, wash hands regularly if out and about - done.
I’ve said it before but one of the German virologists who was in charge of the mass testing experiment in one Hotspot village near Bonn was on a live debate talking about his findings. They tested surfaces in homes where all the residents were C9+ and though they found a lot of traces of RNA they were unable to grow them in a culture in the lab , suggesting that the C9 was no longer able to infect. His hypothesis was that most transmissions were from airborne particles after prolonged contact ( more than ten minutes) with an infected person, usually inside. He was also a little skeptical about the use of masks as he thought it would make people more complacent. The debate was before masks became mandatory.
I wore a mask for the first time in a shop yesterday...got a few looks, but more space which was nice.
I felt a bit like a tool tbh...but I’d rather look like a tool than be a dick for killing someone by being an asymptomatic carrier.
Initial annoyance was glasses steaming up but a tiny amount of soap polished into lens sorts that.
If your glasses are steaming up with a proper P2 or P3 mask, that means you don't have a good mask-face seal (which means that the mask is significantly less effective at protecting you).
You'll likely have to pull the elastic a bit tighter, or shape the mask around your nose to get a better seal.
The emphasis being on ‘if you are infected’. I’m very confident that I’m not.
Out of interest, how do you know?
For those making masks, you can use sections of old tights as the ear loops - very comfortable.
What is the rate of infection like in Muslim countries where a lot of the population already have to cover their faces?
Ok, as I live in a Muslim country, I'll bite.
Women don't "have" to cover their faces just because it's a Muslim country. In fact, even in Saudi Arabia or Iran, which are the most controlling of countries, women only have to cover their hair.
Many places in the Middle East, eg Qatar or Dubai, women are expected to cover knees and shoulders, but this is a cultural thing. Wearing a miniskirt in the street Qatar would be a similar thing to wearing a bikini in the street in the UK. You're not going to be arrested; it's just inappropriate. Likewise, wearing a bikini round the pool in Qatar is certainly appropriate and totally normal.
Ok, as I live in a Muslim country, I’ll bite.
For a moment there I thought you were going to answer the question.