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Boss's son £120k for managing a call centre.... interested to see how it pans out
yes, and the PR manager.
I might start cleaning drains.
I am retraining...
Unbelievable
Cant see that company lasting long term, in house garage with body shop. Surely that makes no sense.
Salaries are mental - drainsman £150k wtf!
Surely the tradesman have to pay their own expenses out of their wages? or not? Working like they are self-employed contractors maybe?
If its a salaried £150k that is incredible.
Hope nobody at work is watching it!!
Amazed if the PR guy stays...(or survives his coworkers)
Is it wrong to agree with some of them? Its a cut throat world out there.
Well that was a surprise. PR guy gave up £1k.
Is it wrong to agree with some of them? Its a cut throat world out there.
Dear god without wishing to sound like a proper lefty or anything, YES IT IS! Nobody is advocating that everyone in the business should be paid the same as each other, they do vastly different jobs, but they're missing a big trick there.
I'm amazed a company like that has grown as big as it is without the boss being shrewd enough to introduce things such as pay scales, skills matrices linked to pay rises, OTE, overtime bans/limits etc. Quite often you will have 2 people doing the same job, one of them paid 10% more than the other, but it can be easily justified based on various criteria. But without any way of documenting these criteria, it's piss poor people management.
Leaving it up to the staff to decide things for themselves... CHRIST ALMIGHTY! 😯 If he had any respect for his staff, and wants them to respect him, he should immediately step in and draw up pay scales for different jobs and performance related pay criteria. He can pay himself what he wants, it's his company, but he's just driven a massive rift down the middle so he might not even have one to salvage in a short time, unless he takes the reigns and pulls it all together!
EDIT: The tradesmen take the piss though... My mate's a plumber, he thinks he does VERY well, his basic is about £35k and he takes maybe £5-6k bonus a year on top too for being good at his job. What those guys earn is sickening for what is essentially a relatively lowly skilled trade.
Pimlico Plumbers arent really your average firm though are they...
£8m salary bill for 200 employees...£40k average salary.!!!
Its a Plumbing firm, not an investment bank.
It makes me laugh on here when folk are surprised what plumbers and such like can earn. Why is that? Because you can't believe that people who never went on to higher education earn more than yourselves? It's the people who work hard and are prepared to get their hands dirty that deserve to make decent money, not some pen pushers, talking bollocks in an office.
I know quite a few folk who left school without any qualifications at all, got a trade and became good at it. Now they've got there own businesses and make lots of money...their property portfolio's would sicken a lot of folk on here. 😛
For me personally the issue i have with tradesfolk is it is like some sort of closed shop
It is like they have all agreed no one is doing anything for less than £200 a day.
I am not denying they have skills i do not have and deserve a decent wage but the wages on that programme and in general for "construction" trades are way beyond the skill level IMHO.
I liked the shot of the bosses/owners private plated Roller after he was saying the money could not always come from him.
It was a fascinating program.
What I found interesting is the concept that one persons working day might be easier or harder than another persons, either mentally or physically. I believe how much somebody is paid depends on market rates and responsibility.
Do people really think a chief exec seriously works harder than the lady in the kitchen? I reckon the both work as hard but the exec is making tough decisions that carry responsibility and the market pays them well. The lady in the kitchen is also working 'as hard' but her market rate isn't as high as the market thinks there's more people capable of doing her role. They both put in the same effort and the market determines a value.
I've often wondered how to move up the ladder and what the big bosses have done to get where they are in comparison to what I've done to get where I am. I don't profess to know the answer.
Is it wrong to agree with some of them? Its a cut throat world out there.
I don't thinks its wrong, Look at the call centre.
One guy gets 21k the rest 18k
It isn't the tradesmans fault he is getting paid more. They have a salary and could be living within their means which they have every right to with their salary.
The guys in the Garage did the right thing in my eyes, although if I was the boss I would be asking why the f*ck haven't you been trying to save me this money all along. The pay difference in there was shocking though 9 grand for the same job? either we don't see the full picture or its a bit messed up.
I think if you work hard for 40 hours and she works hard for 40 hour then the market can go **** itself and we should all get a living wage.
You will be telling me the drain cleaners are "worth "more than teachers, nurses and doctors because the market says so.
I understand the argument from supply and demand but I dont live in a moral vacuum like the market or those who support it
the market can go **** itself and we should all get a living wage.You will be telling me the drain cleaners are "worth "more than teachers, nurses and doctors because the market says so.
By which token you'll be telling me that teachers, nurses and doctors shouldn't be getting paid more than street cleaners and toilet attendants?
I understand the argument from supply and demand but I dont live in a moral vacuum like the market or those who support it
Thats you that is
Junkyard - Member
I think if you work hard for 40 hours and she works hard for 40 hour then the market can go **** itself and we should all get a living wage.
But then where would the incentive be to work hard?
I could go to university, work hard, get a job, turn up every day, work hard, do my (mostly pen pushing) job, go home and look at my paycheck and feel that the whole process was somehow worth it. Or I could be the cleaner, who no offence, has a much easier day than me. Seeing as this office has about 200 people and 3 cleaners it'd be a pretty un-productive country if we all wanted to be cleaners. Somewhere in the middle you've got the trades who earn middling money for middlingly qualified jobs.
It is like they have all agreed no one is doing anything for less than £200 a day.
I'd like to find an IT contractor who will do something for £200 a day. The supply of these parasites seems to be endless afterall!
Why does the drain cleaner earn more than doctor, teacher or nurse?
Is it because they work harder and being a Dr,teacher or nurse is a piece of piss ?
Why do we still have Dr's, nurses and teachers when drain cleaners get paid more?
Why does the drain cleaner earn more than doctor, teacher or nurse?
Is it because they work harder and being a Dr,teacher or nurse is a piece of piss ?
Why do we still have Dr's, nurses and teachers when drain cleaners get paid more?
Doctors, teachers and nurses are on a fairer pay scheme with ladders to progress up. The drain cleaners "appear" to be fixxing the costs and charging what they like.
I think my blood would boil if I saw what some of the people would be on here!
I work at quite a big public company where it seems that you get paid by the amount of time you've served here. Totally wrong IMO. Why should someone who answers telephones and do admin work get paid more than someone in a skilled job, just because they haven't been there as long!
Sometimes I really wish I'd have gone for a job in a trade such as Plumbing, Electrician etc as everyone I know who does that earns good money (even though they all moan they don't as they drive around in their new cars, and go back to their own homes they have bought and go on their 2 holidays a year!)
I'm still struggling to earn a decent wage as a Graphic Designer even after working for about 10 years in the Bizz, just doesn't seem to be any money in it anymore. Plus we don't get paid overtime, or get any bonuses! Sigh!
Interestingly, none of the contributors to this thread have revealed their annual earnings (and, no, I'm not about to start).
Were we French, I think we'd have been more upfront about it.
Why does the drain cleaner earn more than doctor, teacher or nurse?
Is it because they work harder and being a Dr,teacher or nurse is a piece of piss ?
Why do we still have Dr's, nurses and teachers when drain cleaners get paid more?
Go read a basic economics book, any of them will explain it.
Jobs are made upt of several things.
How hard they are
How qualified you need to be
Risks
Morality of the job
Perception of the job
General nastiness etc.
So to take 3 examples:
[b]'Escort'[/b]
easy job
no qualifications
massive risks
imoral
potentialy quite grubby
= big money
[b]doctor[/b]
difficult job
lots qualifications
minimal risks
very moral
chicks dig docs
potentialy quite grubby
= bigger money
[b]drain cleaner[/b]
easy job
no qualifications
minimal risks
moral
you smell = no chicks
you really really smell of poo
= even bigger money
similarly I earn more working in Oil and Gas compared to smililar jobs in Pharma and water treatment, my jobs no harder, it's just marginaly less moral and marginaly more at risk. Similarly we're advertising for an engineer in Egypt offering £160k (after tax!), their manager will be sat in the UK on 1/3rd of that, all due to the percieved risk.
Bit like Tube drivers and bin men, everyone winges about their wages when they strike, but does anyone ever actualy swamp them with applications?
odd program. Business is clearly not short of a few quid, has had a shambolic approach to pay and conditions, and the boss has basically said sort it amongst yourselves.
Program then seemed to focus on some strange theory that high earner's are all chancers and should take a cut. Clever Charlie looks on all smug whilst his top earners admit publicly to some kind of gross social injustice.
Everyone will take what they can get, it's a simple rule of life. It's the job of the company to make that fair and equal.
Just have published pay scales/grades, everyone knows where they fit into that scale. Job done. I never understood why that's not done, worked well for us in the military.
Keeping pay a secret only benefits the business.
imo
Go read a basic economics book
go read my earlier post 🙄
I know how a market works it is just that a market has no morals and I do
it seems that you get paid by the amount of time you've served here
Im the same, in a private sector place. Im the 3rd line support guy, earning less than the 2nd lady because she has been here 20 years and Ive been here 5. Part of my job is to manage her day to day activities, ensure that what she does is accurate and correct, and generally mentor her to ensure she stays in touch with the new technologies that I implement. All while she sits on a good 8K more than me. This also means her annual bonus is larger than mine as they are percentage based, as are the payrises. 👿
Boss's son, the cal centre manager seemed to be overpaid by about 80K!
Fair enough, it's his dad's firm, but a call centre with about 7 staff in it, come on. Presumably he's going to inherit it all one day anyway. Surprised his dad hadn't encouraged him to qualify as a plumber in order to really understand the business.
go read my opening post
I did, you insinuated that anyone earning above average working a trade was opperating some sort of closed shop. If you wanted to be a plumber why don't you re-train? Or is there a reason you don't want to be a plumber, in which case that reason probably justifies their wages.
Oooh I love a can of worms, yummy.
Nobody disputes human beings have the same 'worth' morally, but the world doesn't operate on that wonderful level. Our 'value' is based on many factors and the playing field certainly isn't level. C'est la vie. Where your born, into which family, your education, your experience, your personal motivation and attitude and the market all make the playing field lumpy if not mountainous!
The drain cleaners "appear" to be fixxing the costs and charging what they like.
Isn't that exactly what the Doctors, teachers and nurses go on strike -Fixing the costs and charging what they like?
notice that the programme actually discussed what the plumbers themselves were on very little - and it was very unclear whether the plumbers themselves were salaried or self employed.
I was relieved to see the bosses attitute when he heard that the plumbers were unwilling to put into the pot for the office staff, as he rightly said "without them, they dont earn a penny" - I would be willing to bet that certain plumbers get allocated the sh*t jobs, and certain other plumbers get the good jobs from the office staff for a good while 😉
"I know how a market works it is just that a market has no morals and I do "
You might have a little problem there then... You against the world.
Good luck with that
The plumbers appeared to be on 55-95K.
Doubtless hard work and long hours so not disputing that it is well earned.
My Daughter goes to School with the bosses Grandaughter - and quite a few of the employees live in our village (the company owns various properties that they rent out to emmployees)
It is a very sucessful business that has been around for decades, they are masters of promotion, and have a great corporate image - so whatever they are doing must work.
Nice first post. reported