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It's on all the usual news channels I think.
What with trade deals being needed the president/ government in the US is going to have a profound effect on us and our NHS, food standards and Lord knows what else...
Anyone else watching tonight?
Tempted.
Why would you put yourself through that?
I might, don’t finish work until midnight so home about 0045, I usually watch a bit of telly before bed anyway, might as well be that.
I'd rather eat my own shite.
Just drop some acid and record yourself talking to yourself. That'll be a much more sensible conversation to listen to and a better excuse for staying up late.
I’d rather eat nobeers shite
I’d rather eat nobeers shite
I'd rather eat your shite after you'd eaten Nobeer's shite...
We’re into a “human centipede” scenario here
No. But I’ll be reading the aftermath first thing in the morning.
I’m not sure there’s much point to these anymore, everyone is so entrenched in their tribal beliefs, but Trump really has no business winning this election, but would you bet on him losing? We’re 15 years from the last time the centre left won and election in the U.K and 8 in the US and even that was only a partial win as they couldn’t secure ‘the house’.
Maybe this will be the turning point.
Damn. Now I feel hungry.
I probably won't watch it but I have a Washington Post subscription so I may set it for alerts. I tend to wake a round 3am anyway for a while.
Tempted as I am off work tomorrow, which means my usual routine of 2 cans, a bit of telly, fall asleep on sofa half way through 2nd can, wake up in middle of the night to go to bed/toilet might mean I wake up in time to watch it.
Watching trump play pigeon chess and hoping Biden doesn't say something mad, no ta (especially since the maddest thing Biden could say, will still be less mad than the average Trump press conference, but will be treated like the end of the world)
No chance, I can’t afford a new telly, and I’ve got too many heavy objects around to risk the desire to chuck something at Angry Tinkerbell’s smug smirk. 🤬
Trump will have a tremendous debate. He'll be tremendous
I'm tempted to watch it, although I think it's going to be exactly like a 90's WWF championship warm up, lots of theatrics, posturing and sweat, possibly a chair flying.
2 old giffers trying desperately not to fluff their lines, I think ill pass
But I dearly hope Biden takes him to the cleaners & exposes Trump for the corrupt, racists dirt bag he is
You could put a chimpanzee throwing it’s own shite against the alphabet up for debate against trump and the chimp would be the obvious winner in forming a coherent sentence, yet I’ll try and stay awake to watch whilst reading responses to the debate on Twitter.
Will watch if I'm still awake. It's gonna be a bit of a show, I think.
I won't watch it - I cannot stand any politicians making speeches or debating - but I will be on line first thing in the morning for all the reaction from the press and to find out what happened.
I'll watch the highlights tomorrow. Much prefer watching Bozo the Clown being taken apart on a Wednesday lunchtime by that forensic bloke.
I still think Trump will win, because of the peculiarities of the American electoral college system. Much the same way the Tories can romp home with all the spoils despite only taking 40% of the total votes. Two broken systems masquerading as democracy where the majority are disenfranchised.
I am, I feel it's important to watch these things live to independently understand and get a feel for how history will view current events. Reading about something in opinion columns doesn't cut it.
Trump 2020 or Biden 2020 will be a defining moment in 21st century history.
I'm for the shite eating. 😆
I still think Trump will win, because of the peculiarities of the American electoral college system.
Not to mention the peculiarities of the American voters.
Not to mention the peculiarities of the American voters.
Taking Devash's attitude though means that the left will yet again fail to understand the root causes of right wing populism.
Maybe I'm weird but I'm half tempted to go "Kurtz" and go and live like a redneck to try and understand it.
I do wonder just how much difference it'll ultimately make in how people vote?
Surely, those that can't stand him have made up their mind a long, long time ago.
His base are that partisan that he could squat down on the stage and make stool and they'd still say it was one of the greatest performances by a politician in the entire history of politics. And that his stool was one of the finest ever to be discharged by a human being.
I think you'd find more truly neutral people by this stage at an Old Firm game.
Still can't believe Democrats have no one better than Biden. He is borderline senile. Bit late now but no way he can keep himself on track against Trump. Unless its some amazing master plan and he wipes the floor with him. But I doubt it.
Not watching tonight - the "important" outcome won't be obvious 'til tomorrow anyway (my personal view is sufficiently biased that I already know who I'll consider to have have lost; it's the US public opinion that matters)
Frankly IMO, as long as Biden doesn't disgrace himself, all he needs is to wait for the right time to release "black VOTES matter" along with a few pasted tweets and recordings of Trump being a racist prick and we should be OK
You mean Biden 'if you don't vote for me you ain't black'?
As vile and condescending as anything trump ever said.
Again, surely they have someone better?
There's bound to be some voters that still don't know how they will vote. I know that's sounds mad but it's true.
They might have voted for Trump to shake things up. Did that roll of the dice go well for them or not over the last 4 years?
Has his response to Covid dismayed some, is it enough to rethink their vote?
Who knows? I suspect some good sound bites could genuinely affect voting though, both for good and bad.**
**We'll assume "bad" to be Trump here.
As vile and condescending as anything trump ever said.
Not even in the top hundred, for me - still pretty crass but a whole league lower
Has his response to Covid dismayed some, is it enough to rethink their vote?
His attitude to vets and his tax returns are what will kill him politically - if anything does.
Nightmare scenario is someone taking the populist racist and proud of it Trumpism and integrating it in a competent fashion into 2000 era hawkish neo-conservatism. Trumps not the real worry, he's a ****ing moron.
As vile and condescending as anything trump ever said.
No, not for me either. Nowhere near. Biden was making a point about trump's character and out n out racism. But crassly put
It's not imitating a disabled reporter or defending a neo nazi murderer etc etc
I have something better to do. Go to bed.
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Free MemberYou mean Biden ‘if you don’t vote for me you ain’t black’?
As vile and condescending as anything trump ever said.
Yeah but ah ha ha really not at all no.
Just starting.
Bidens too slow, too respectful of Trump and he's waffling too much.
Magic Grandpa round two.
This is ****ing hilarious and pathetic all at the same time.
Proper idiocracy stuff.
Trumps trying to rattle Biden enough that he stumbles and seems old, it's working.
Biden smirking, doesn't want to get in the gutter with Trump and fight dirty.
Debates done, Biden doesn't have the momentum, going to bed - I'm way to sober for this.
Trump talking over Biden and the guy moderating it, saying how wonderful he is, and throwing glib accuasations at Biden without any supporting facts. Biden needs to be more assertive - no passion, and getting sidelined by Trump's interuptions.
Agree with above, Biden not doing well at all. Not catastrophic but really not good at all.
Not watching it but,
doesn’t want to get in the gutter with Trump and fight dirty.
Then he'll lose. That was Bob Dole's undoing years ago.
Trump is dominating the agenda. This is not pleasant to watch.
God, this makes Prime Ministers Questions look like an intellectual debate. I feel sorry for the American public who have to be governed by one of these two - surely there must be millions more people in America who can string a coherent sentence together more effectively than these two.
General consensus seems to be it went to Biden, but no real winners. Trumps call to arms of the Proud Boys may come back and bite him.
What a shame it wasn’t Kamala Harris against Trump. Biden just isn’t very good. I understand why the Dems are putting him up to attract moderate undecideds but he is really limp.
Harris would have embarrassed Trump
That was just awful. Watched the highlights for anyone who saw the whole thing was it as bad as teh highlights made out? None of them seemed to say anything Trump wouldn't shut up and in the 10mins i saw I couldn't name a single policy either of them have.
and I can't wear my favourite (15 years old too!) Fred Perry any more because it's been hijacked as the uniform of the proud boys
This shit just got serious....
The "law and order" thing is very popular. I read a couple of articles where people don't like trump, they think he is racist but they are really worried and feel that this is the most important thing. Now for many including many from Europe "law and order" may be code for police brutality for many in The US they are looking at purely from "I am scared of the riots" POV and if they think trump is more likely to stop their small family shop being smashed they don't care how it stops. It's the whole deal with the imeadate issue for them.
From what I saw this morning, it looked like a US version of still game, but without the laughs.
There were 4 possible outcomes:
- trump win
- biden win
- draw
- chris wallace win
I saw it as a biden win - possibly a draw.
trump was embarrassing; he further demeaned the role of president but he's been doing that since january 2017.
Chris Wallace had an impossible job.
I feel sorry for the American public who have to be governed by one of these two
Remember that in the case of Biden at least - what you're seeing is a carefully calculated image that's been planned and he's been coached to deliver. Analysts will have decided that he can't tear into Trump calling him stupid, because that would alienate undecideds who might be sympathetic to the things Trump talks about. Much as educated left leaning people would like to see Trump torn a new one, it might not actually help. Or it might, but the analysts might disagree.
The “law and order” thing is very popular. I read a couple of articles where people don’t like trump, they think he is racist but they are really worried and feel that this is the most important thing.
If you watch the 13th one of the things they cite in Clinton gaining power years ago was that for a Democrat he went super hard on crime
I saw it as a biden win – possibly a draw.
trump was embarrassing
Is that through your European eyes and standpoint?
The question is really was trump seen as embarrassing by trump supporters or perhaps I should say trump sympathisers and floating voters more importantly. I think many of those may think he was "fighting his corner".
Polls seem to suggest Biden narrowly won it. Of course both sides of the divide are claiming victory for their team.
Biden's advantage seems to be that there are a lot more 'undecided' votes amongst people who've voted Republican in the past, whereas Trump is, and always will be a hate figure for Democrats and they're far less likely to be undecided.
Trump might blow it all on his own, he's going to do ANYTHING to try to win, a Political Scandal now could lose him the middle ground.
Danger for biden isn't so much gaffes as switching people off voting altogether and obvs the democrats rely on a larger turnout than last time.
They really should do the decent thing and cancel the last two debates just to see trump apoplectic with rage obvs they won't as they have a superbowl sized audience
That comment about the proud boys 'standing by' was sinister AF. Although let's not forget they're just a bunch of Fred Perry wearing incels
But thats a thinly veiled incitement to violence at the end of the day
Who the **** are the proud boys?
Who the **** are the proud boys?
Think National Front, Britain First or EDL and you won't be far off.
The 'debates' are utterly pointless as there is no debating. A better idea would be a mic with a mute button to actually enable either party to speak for their allotted time without getting shouted over.
Think National Front, Britain First or EDL and you won’t be far off.
Pretty much with the disturbing difference than unlike those lot the Proud boys have guns and lots of them.
Is that through your European eyes and standpoint?
My opinion - but shared by son and his US born wife who both live over there; his in-laws voted trump last time because they, stupidly, believed the hype about trump's business acumen - now they see him for what he is and won't be voting for the orange buffoon in November.
trump's core supporters - his 'base' - are not enough to get him the win he wants and needs; he has too little support from the other major voting groups.
What is the point in preaching to the converted when he already has their votes?
He made crude attempts to destroy Biden's credibility, legitimacy and policy positions - and failed through bringing the debate down to the level of a playground shouting match.
the Proud boys have guns and lots of them.
If you've not seen it, have a watch on iplayer of "The rise of the Nazis"....the parallels between this as it develops and the relationship between Hitler and the brown shirts is slightly terrifying.
#willyoushutupman is trending 😀
I had the misfortune of waking and not being able to sleep so watched some of it. I couldn't tell if Trump is just really loud or Biden speaks quite softly, but Bidens delivery was lacking IMO.
For the next round they need a mute button for the person who is not speaking!
Would have liked to see Obama "debtate" with Trump, I always found his speeches delivered with punch, imagine he can debate the same way.
The socially distanced audience were, largely, compliant with mask wearing requirements but one notable exception was trump's boy donny.
Surprise, surprise.
Just proving once again that he is an arrogant ignorant dick.
US born wife who both live over there; his in-laws voted trump last time because they, stupidly, believed the hype about trump’s business acumen – now they see him for what he is and won’t be voting for the orange buffoon in November.
Well there is hope. I think it will be close.
the Proud boys have guns and lots of them.
https://twitter.com/ByMikeBaker/status/1311143872873918466
😳
There's a fair number on here and a fair number of people that I know who've cast judgement based on the first 30/40/45 minutes of the debate.
It was painful to watch. But commenting based on highlights or a small proportion of the debate makes any such comments both uninformed and irrelevant.
I'm not claiming any political allegiance here. But I did watch it all and the only comments I'll read are from those who cared enough to do the same. And/or have done so retrospectively.
Sorry, bit late, but good fun game if you are watching it on catchup.
Arrrrgghhh - can insert pics. Does this work
Who is lying - Bingo Card from the Behaviour Panel