[Closed] Anyone seen the footage of the second "Boston suspect" being captured?

CEASE FIRE!

CEASE FIRE!!

I SAID CEASE FIRE!!!

Lot's of coppers with guns who have probably never dealt with a potential suicide bomber = lots of nervous blokes who probably want to get back to their wives and not die a fiery nail ridden death.

They did a better job of this manhunt than the LAPD did. Those two waved the right to be treated with minimal force by the police as soon as they gunned one of them down - a coppers life was not worth either of theirs.

The Americans really are shit at stuff like this!

Whereas of course, the British authorities has a fantastic reputation when dealing with terrorist suspects.

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Jon +1

Bloody Sunday anyone?

To be fair in the De Menezes case there was a case of mistaken identity.
They were after his troublesome little brother Dennis.

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Bloody Sunday wasn't a police operation.

jon1973 - Member
The Americans really are shit at stuff like this!
Whereas of course, the British authorities has a fantastic reputation when dealing with terrorist suspects.
Jean Charles de Menezes

And don't walk through Glasgow with a table leg if you don't feel like being ventilated...

But to be fair the Yanks don't tend to (technically... you could argue considering how much of the ATF and SWAT heavies are ex forces...that they do) use soldiers for policing their own country.

What you are saying is effectively an even worse indictment of bloody sunday Ernie. How is it any better than Waco when a bunch of Para's go berserk in NI? Please enlighten me, that protest should have never been controlled with squaddies in the first place.

Remember the innocent guys in that car back in the 80's..I think...that MET officers effectively tried to murder with their revolvers?

How is it any better than Waco when a bunch of Para's go berserk in NI? Please enlighten me.

Who said it was ?

So why bring up that point? They weren't policemen but that was besides the point, they were called in to police that protest.

And don't walk through Glasgow with a table leg if you don't feel like being ventilated...

So why bring up that point?

It was you who brought up Bloody Sunday, not me.

And yes, it was pointless - it wasn't a comparable situation.

Well last time I checked the yanks deal with greater levels of violence between gangs on a day to day basis in LA than we ever saw even at the height of the troubles....and they do that without sending in Green Berets and laying waste to neighborhoods.

I'm pretty sure they even did a better job keeping the unneeded civvie deaths down during the 1992 LA riots as well.

He is 19 and not a born killer, his religion was the killer not the boy.

Which religion would that be then? Is there any evidence yet that this was motivated by religion?

He is 19 and not a born killer, his religion was the killer not the boy.

People choose their religion and humans have their own consciences regardless of what they are told is 'right'. That said, no one said it was a religion related incident. He's a Chechen isn't he (not sure if there are any linked political issues there, it's possible).

Not very good at what?

They shoot to maim terrorists not to kill them, they will only kill them if they opposing an immediate threat. A dead terrorist can't share any infomation.

He is 19 and not a born killer, his religion was the killer not the boy.

FFS so these terrorists that kill in the name of a religion it is their God that is the killer not the retard blowing stuff up. In this case there are no links "currently" to any religious motivations.

Probably the most pathetic statement I have ever read.

They shoot to maim terrorists not to kill them,

The police including the yanks never ever shoot to maim. Ever. They shoot to kill and if you somehow survive then it's merely good fortune because the cops thought they had killed you to death.

In every major limb there is an artery, which is pretty damn easy to hit with a 5.56 or 7.62 caliber weapon....who's rupture is going to cause you to bleed out very very quickly.

FFS the police including the yanks never ever shoot to maim. Ever.

Erm... Yes 🙄

No wonder you fail basic exams with logic like that.

Afraid it's you who probably fail basic exams Zokes, I never have...I just win at them slightly less. Hence giant ego.

http://www.pfoa.co.uk/110/shooting-to-wound

Good way to make an idiot of yourself though. Awww diddums.

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Also Zokes, It makes me happy that you like to follow me into threads and comment on whatever I've said because it means my baiting has worked. It makes you a bigger idiot than I am...I recognize I'm an idiot... you don't.

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Gah, CBA. Grow up.

It would seem you should try looking in a mirror.

The police including the yanks never ever shoot to maim. Ever. They shoot to kill and if you somehow survive then it's merely good fortune because the cops thought they had killed you to death.

Wrong I'm afraid.

Shoot to stop, is it not?

(I'm a poet, but don't know it).

Well to put it more subtly, they should so as to cause an immediate end to the threat. Which usually means incapacitating them so they are beyond the ability to use a gun or detonate explosives. Whether you end up living through that ordeal is secondary.

This means shooting in the torso/cns and incapacitating someone to the point that they can't use a weapon or detonate a bomb which usually means you have a very high chance of dying.

So no, I'm not wrong. The police shoot you with the knowledge they are probably going to kill you, they are not trained to discharge a firearm with intent to wound/maim. As this could result in the needless use of force or unacceptable risks to the policemen involved.

The only people who shoot to maim/wound... funnily enough... are soldiers. If you can work out why (squaddies not included) you get 10 internet points.

Presumably because injured soldiers divert more of your enemy's resources away from fighting you than dead ones do?

You win 10 internetz points.... 😛 huzzah and all that

Rock'n'roll 🙂

It would seem you should try looking in a mirror.

I did. I can't see a whiney, self important, failure of a student in it though.

On a serious note. With an attitude like yours you'll really struggle to get anywhere in life. You really do need to get over your self impotence ([i]sic[/i].) issues for your own good.

did. I can't see a whiney, self important, failure of a student in it though.

On a serious note. With an attitude like yours you'll really struggle to get anywhere in life. You really do need to get over your self impotence (sic.) issues for your own good.

Hey, I'm not following people round on threads. Oh the irony of being accused of having impotence issues.

Really, you're entertaining me zokes. For an apparently highly educated individual I'm rather quite surprised by your inability to keep yourself from stooping to my level, I can see your PHD education really paid for itself..

The sad thing about you is that I can accept when I'm wrong on a topic and then I'll go quiet and leave or accept that I'm wrong.... you can't handle it and resort to continually harassing people, who's the one with issues Zokes?

I just post on here for lolz because I can't concentrate on one thing for more than 20 minutes, I have to take little 5 minute breaks between reading textbooks.

I have to take little 5 minute breaks between reading textbook

Still on text books? Bless....

You need textbooks when swapping over to a different field of study, I've got Oxford PHD chemists borrowing some of my old cell textbooks at the moment 😉

Funny man.

Funny man.

Glad you think so 🙂

Can't remember the last time I read a text book. I tend to find they've generally been proven to be out of date by the time they're published. They do look pretty good on my office shelves though...

Can't remember the last time I read a text book. I tend to find they've generally been proven to be out of date by the time they're published. They do look pretty good on my office shelves though...

Only if you study something as low as chemistry or biology. In the one and only proper subject that is maths, books like Kendals Advanced Theories on Statistics tend to stick around for a little while longer without being revised. 😉

Also some of us like trying a few different subjects, you don't read textbooks because nothing outside of your original undergraduate degree interests you. You don't have the capacity or interest to go multidisciplinary

I have a textbook on Russian history and also one on how corruption effects economies, do you?

Also some of us like trying a few different subjects, you don't read textbooks because nothing outside of your original undergraduate degree interests you. You don't have the capacity or interest to go multidisciplinary

It's OK. When you grow up you'll get to specialise.

Oooh you're highlighting personal issues I have previously acknowledged in another thread as a way to try to hurt me. Big man, how does that make you feel? That insult took a lot of originality.

I am specializing anyway.

Can't remember the last time I read a text book. I tend to find they've generally been proven to be out of date by the time they're published. They do look pretty good on my office shelves though...

zokes you really do have a massive ego and you also come across as a complete and utter cock. If you could match your massive "intellect" with a fraction of the quantity of self awareness you might make a reasonable human.
Anyway you two trolls play nice xxx

Sick of the US domination of our news.

Sick of the thread hijack. Can't they use PM or just kiss and make up. Proper keyboard warriorism.

I havent been able to see the footage but hundreds of swat and some helicopters against a wounded guy that has been on the run for a few days could have been overkill. Either way I think its impressive they got them so quickly and I hope he gets a good kicking for the the rest of his days.

Also I hope its a deterent for others but seems a bit unlikely.

Sorry yes a more accurate term would have been shoot to stop.

Sick of the thread hijack. Can't they use PM or just kiss and make up. Proper keyboard warriorism.

Plus one, its like watching a self important 30 something couple argue badly in Waitrose

Plus one, its like watching a self important 30 something couple argue badly in Waitrose

Nahhh Waitrose is beneath me, it's way to middle class.

zokes you really do have a massive ego and you also come across as a complete and utter cock. If you could match your massive "intellect" with a fraction of the quantity of self awareness you might make a reasonable human.
Anyway you two trolls play nice

How's that glass house/stone throwing going for you?

And the anger management classes?

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Zokes vs bwaarp.

It reminds me of the internet in the 1990s:

"Your shit."
"No, your shit."(sic)

How's that glass house/stone throwing going for you?

And the anger management classes?

You again misinterpret my dislike for your objectionable online persona for anger. If you had a more mature outlook on life and some of that missing self awreness you might understand that.

Classic example of a thread disappearing up it's own arse.

Oh my god! Will you two just get a room and **** each others obviously terribly large but somewhat immature brains out already? Crikey. Some of us are trying to watch videos of people shooting at each other here.

If rounds are whizzing around, police and military don't shoot to kill or maim. They shoot to hit, with the primary objective of preventing harm to themselves and others (obv except the aggressor). The thought process is less "ill shoot him in the leg" than "f***", no matter how experienced you are.

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Could have been an interesting thread, but once again two pointless excuses for human beings have taken it upon themselves to wave their tiny penises at each other.
Mods - just TJ them and have done with it please.

Amazing how quickly an argument on the internet (Even between two educated adults) turns into a variant of 'my dads harder than your dad'!

Seriously both of you may have a high-level of formal education, but you are not proving to be a fantastic advertisement of it on here. Even worse, in face-to-face situations you are probably likeable people who act like adults and actually would likely get on well.

In the past I have read some of both your posts with interest and would like to continue doing so. Here's an idea to let this happen. Pack it in both of you - live and let live eh!

*waves tiny penis at muddydwarf*

Pedant alert, but the observation of high level of education conflicts with the poor grammar - to middle class. Tut, tut...too middle class, please. I hope bwaarp's spelling is better in his job applications. One of his recent targets picked up a minor typo on my application many (many) moons ago! But they even did handwriting tests in those days!

Anyway back to the topic. Anyone else think that there was more going on here. How many times has a major city gone into was seems to have been lock-down? Is that really the response to two people on the loose. Where is kaesae when you need him?

Where is kaesae when you need him?

Still recovering from a postman's laser, I think

Anyway, back on topic...

Dead suspects aren't particularly verbose. If police need evidence or info on motives as accomplices, probably best to try not to kill them to death

I see this thread has had the odd relevant post. If that was in the uk and they were on someone's back yard would we have had the same level of gunshots? I very much doubt it, it looked like something out of Hollywood movie!

Dead suspects aren't particularly verbose. If police need evidence or info on motives as accomplices, probably best to try not to kill them to death

True, but killing them to death is preferable to being killed to death. Or even injured to, um injury.

Am I the only one who has a sense that the need for a quick 'result' means that possibly the true perpetrators have not been identified, killed and captured?

Whilst I haven't read all the in's and out's of the situation, the cynic in me gets a voice.

Oh, with regards to the internal spat going on, there is a very significant difference between intelligence and emotional intelligence. Although we are all aware of that 😉

I see this thread has had the odd relevant post. If that was in the uk and they were on someone's back yard would we have had the same level of gunshots? I very much doubt it, it looked like something out of Hollywood movie!

That crossed my mind too. But I guess the cat's out of the bag re: armed police so crims get bigger guns in the states.

Bwarp's spelling is atroshus.

Now where us this video?

I'm glad there weren't any stories of people being arrested because they chose not to obey the lockdown. When that happens, we have a problem.

I'm glad there weren't any stories of people being arrested because they chose not to obey the lockdown. When that happens, we have a problem.

there was a chap in a black hoodie who had the fright of his life. Oh and the middle eastern looking chaps who got dragged out of a cab at gun point in downtown Boston.

there was a chap in a black hoodie who had the fright of his life. Oh and the middle eastern looking chaps who got dragged out of a cab at gun point in downtown Boston.

I used to think all that Charlie Brooker stuff where these things played out on twitter and other social networking sites were a bit far fetched. Not so much anymore. Looked like a far fetched episode of Homeland or something.

I had read in one UK newspaper that the police had used 'non lethal' bullets (what ever that means!) as they wanted to capture the suspect alive. It was more a case of disorientating/frightening him than killing him.

Link me!

you had to be listening in to the police scanner.

What confuses me is that they had SWAT, FBI and normal plod. Now if SWAT are the surgical tacticians that they are presented as, assuming no other more highly trained party was there, why was there a hail of gunfire. Also it is generally reported that when he was seen in the boat he was in pretty poor shape anyway.

Obviously we don't know if he started firing a weapon from the boat but wouldn't a more clinical method of shooting be preferable with all of the highly trained marksment they had around at the time rather than letting dibble loose to "fire at will" potentially injuring innocent bystanders.

Agree with muddydwarf, jamj1974 "adults is a bit of a stretch!

Aside from the bombing the pair killed a police officer during the first attempt at capturing them, I don't see an issue with adopting a forceful approach to neutralising him.

Personally I don't have an issue with a "robust or "forceful" approach, however should the police not maintain a professional standard. As an outsider and from my understanding of what the police should be doing ie bringing him to justice, this seems like overkill and there was only a single objective firmly set in the minds of the police. It appears that they were taking the law into their own hands.

there was only a single objective firmly set in the minds of the police. It appears that they were taking the law into their own hands.

What would you suggest they should have done differently ?

Pictures or it didn't happen.

I haven't seen any footage of the capture itself but I did read reports and see some of the rolling news coverage in the states. I assume that if that number of gun shots were being discharged either with the intent to injure/kill or targeted at the suspect from ill disciplined officers who got over excited that he would be a dead man. A fibreglass boat is not going to offer much protection. So, I have to conclude that if any of the front line officers had intended to kill - he would be dead.

I therefore assumed that the aim was one or both of the following:

- to show that you are there in force and that trying to run or fight back would be futile. A shock and awe tactic, to intimidate the hell out of the suspect if you like.
- to encourage him to "show his hand". If he's still got a pipe bomb or a gun you want him to try and use that limited resource early - before you get so close it will be a problem.

either way, difficult to criticise their tactics at that point of the operation when he left the scene alive and was detained a very short time after being discovered.

neal I am suggesting that maybe there were too many officers with too much attitude, ok feelings were running high, I understand that a colleague was shot etc but my understanding is that you had SWAT and normal police. Having the better trained, from a firearms point, take care of the situation may have meant less firing. Equally I don't know if he was standing up giving it back.

Is there not a possibility that they were out to execute him rather than "bring him to justice".

Zippykona, one rolling news channel in the USA did report watching someone stopped at gun point and made to strip the waste to prove they weren't carrying a bomb and another channel one of the producers was forced to the ground at gun point - for using her phone in an area where they were still worried about devices being remotely detonated.