[Closed] Anyone not donating to Pakistan?

me.

charity begins at home. my home.

And after seeing first hand how one of the brains behind the doorstep collection of clothes for charity operates, funding his jetset lifestyle & a beautiful detached home on millionaires row in Worsely, no charity director is getting fat off the proceeds of anything i'd donate

I'm not. Nature has a habit of sending these 'disasters' to redress the balance. Sending money just prolongs the inevitable.

I thought Directors were already well off and didn't know they get the charity money! 😯

U31, they may, just may, not all be like that.

Already a big thread about it

http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/yes-yes-terrible-floods-and-so-on-but

I'm not donating.

Any country that can afford nuclear weapons can afford to look after its own people.

I would hope that the western nations could get together and offer a combined aid package dependent on ****stan giving up their nukes for destruction.

Another "charity" that grips my bum chocolate is Bolton community transport.

It was set up to help the poorest of society furnish thier home with donated basics, cooker, bed, something to sit on etc..

It's now big business, with a lot of the [b]donated[/b] furniture being sold at prices where you'd almost be better off going to Ikea.
And at least at ikea you'd buy new...

Shibboleth - Member
I'm not. Nature has a habit of sending these 'disasters' to redress the balance. Sending money just prolongs the inevitable.

What the **** does that mean?

sc-xc - Member
What the **** does that mean?

Is English not your strong point?

It's allah's will init. Don't mess with the big geezer or there'll be no virgins waiting for you

Plus there are currently people homeless on my doorstep in stockport after last weeks flash flood. There are also still people up in cumbria etc that haven't get sorted after the floods there

English language I have no problem with. Stupid, small minded petty little people like you are what puzzle me.

its all down to call me dave this, they burnt his effigy when he upset them and he brought his wrath down on them the same week. we best be careful 😉

Frankenstein, the clothes "scam" works, in this instance at least, like this: The bags go to a warehouse (read run down cheap rent mill) where , low paid immigrants sort out the wheat from the chaff.
I'm not kidding your eyes would pop at what ends up in these bags, designer labels worn once or twice or even never... these get sorted and set aside.
These get sold for profit. Charity shops get the rest that is decent and useable.

Now i know there are overheads, but what other business model gives you your saleable stock for free?

Plus there are currently people homeless on my doorstep in stockport after last weeks flash flood. There are also still people up in cumbria etc that haven't get sorted after the floods there

And presumably you're not helping them either? Justify it how you like, but some of you are just &*&^s I'm afraid.

There are also still people up in cumbria etc that haven't get sorted after the floods there

I know, it's tough living in hotels all the time

Nature has a habit of sending these 'disasters' to redress the balance.

New Scientist:

It isn't just heavy rain that is to blame for the current floods in ****stan: water management has also exacerbated the risk of such events.

Both ****stan and India depend heavily on the Indus river for their water needs. Since independence in 1947 ****stan has virtually doubled the amount of land it irrigates with Indus water and the picture is similar for India. This thirst for water carries a heavy cost.

The Indus drains the Himalayan mountain chain and carries vast amounts of sediment. As more water is diverted into irrigation, the river flow has been severely reduced, and can't now carry its accustomed cargo of sediment downstream. A growing number of levees and man-made channels also trap sediment on its way out to sea.

"More silt has been deposited into sand bars, reducing the capacity of the river," says Daanish Mustafa, an expert on Indus water management at Kings College London, UK. "There is no doubt that infrastructure has exacerbated the flood risk significantly.

"Antiquated irrigation systems in ****stan may also have made the problem worse. "****stan unfortunately has one of the worst irrigation efficiencies in the world," says Uttam Sinha, a water security researcher from the Institute for Defence Studies and Analyses in New Delhi, India. Repairing the leaks and installing modern irrigation technology may help to reduce the flood risk in future.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/****stan_and_state_terrorism

After reading this and checking sources on UN charter I've decided not to but still feel guilty!

Hmm handover Nukes in exchange for aid would be a tempory thing and cost more to handle to the nukes safely.

Terribly sad for all of those families affected, but if a country can afford nuclear weapons and the kind of military that ****stan has then it can sort its own problems out....

What the **** does that mean?

It means some bored, lonely frustrated little man is trying to get attention by saying something 'controversial'.

The photocopying business must be a bit slow at the moment.... 😉

Strangely, I saw a collection jar for the ****stan relief effort in a pub t'other day. Seemed a bit incongruous somehow.

sc-xc - Member
English language I have no problem with. Stupid, small minded petty little people like you are what puzzle me.

What puzzles me is utter morons who haven't got the intelligence to understand that an opinion is no less valid, just because you deem it to be politically incorrect.

I'm also puzzled as to how often you get your nose broken if you talk to people like that in the real world.

bassspine - Member

assisted by poorly designed mass irrigation schemes and international wrangling over water resources.

That basically supports my theory. It's Darwinism unfurling before our eyes.

lol - you going to send me another threatening email 😆

Life's too short for me to worry about people like you!

What puzzles me is utter morons who haven't got the intelligence to understand that an opinion is no less valid, just because you deem it to be politically incorrect.

It has nothing to do with being politically incorrect, and everything to do with being a *&^%.

Cynic al, i thought you was supposed to be the well, cynic al one on here?

Come off it, they are all at with fingers in the pies.
I really really do not believe in true altruism, there has to be an ulterior motive somewhere down the line, some payoff, even if its to salve a guilty conscience

I'm not donating.

Any country that can afford nuclear weapons can afford to look after its own people.

The same applies to any UK charity then?

Yup.

I used to coach the wife of one of the Directors of WHO. She admitted herself that the organisation blew pots of cash flying him and cohorts in luxury, putting them up in s****y locations, and basically funding their very high standard of living.

For me, charity begins at home. I do, however, pay a DD to various charities and have so for years.

lol - you going to send me another threatening email

Ooh, what's this? Sounds exciting! Please do tell! 😀

Ooh, what's this? Sounds exciting! Please do tell!

It's like the ones I keep getting from the CSA (or whatever it's called these days). 'Ave a word geezer.

Seriously though sc-xc...don't suppose you could cut and paste could you?

The only charity to get cash off me is the Yorkshire Air Ambulance.
It saves lives, and I feel it is money well earned by them, especially having had the unlucky opportunity to have a flight in one a couple of years ago, without which, I'd probably a lot worse off now than I actually am.

Would we, the UK get massive amounts of aid from countries should we get a situation like what's happening in ****stan? I don't think so. Look closer to home folks!

I give to charities in the UK, mountain rescue, air ambulance, RNLI. The rest can go jump, especially the ones that pay students to ambush you in the street to try and get a DD from you.

Would we, the UK get massive amounts of aid from countries should we get a situation like what's happening in ****stan?

Might that be because we are massively richer than countries like ****stan - never mind the colonial history. You may also wish to think about how a failed response to this tragedy probably makes it more likely that fundamentalist nutters could take charge of the ****stan government (and their nukes).

I really really do not believe in true altruism

You're making the mistake of thinking that because you lack empathy and human decency, everyone else does too.

That said, a friend of mine is the director of a small charity, and he says the big charities are very bloated and inefficient.

I got accosted by one of them students while walking through town.
I had to get the banking and post done before a certain time and get back for the next job, and was walking, fast, with an obvious purpose.

Poor lad looked really offended when i went verbose in anglo saxon..

Yup worthy UK charidees, lifeboat and mountain rescue, grips me s*** that they need to resort to begging, they should be a proper service like the other 3, and yeah air ambulance are a worthy cause

Seriously though sc-xc...don't suppose you could cut and paste could you?

Yeah, come on; far more interesting than the rest of this boring done to death shite.

I really really do not believe in true altruism, there has to be an ulterior motive somewhere down the line, some payoff, even if its to salve a guilty conscience

You know what, I kind of agree with you on that one. But so what anyway. I'll give if I want to, not give if I don't want to, and don't feel the need to justify my decisions to anyone else.

Same as MtbCol Air Ambulance, RNLI and Mountain Rescue teams are the ones I only really donate to. Do on occasions donate to some local charities but I stopped sending money abroad years ago.

I'll give if I want to, not give if I don't want to, and don't feel the need to justify my decisions to anyone else.

I need to agree on that....

but my other half said no way, funding terrorists, Taliban, Muslims they hate us all etc.

Indeed.

I have never met a ****stani who wasn't a terrorist, Taliban, or just a Muslim who hated "us all"......specially the children.

Your other half is clearly well-informed and has remarkable perception of what is occurring in the world - what newspaper does she read ?

I have a DD for prostate cancer research and have donated enough to people who do rides even ppl on here.

I won't fund people who want to blow us up or hate non muslims.

I'd rather pack a parcel of food, bottled water and a blanket and post that instead. Can this be done still?

If Blue Peter did it 30 yrs ago then why can't we as a nation just pack food and bottled water and send that rather money that will not be tracked?

Actually Ernie its from her own experience with these people and their values. Her mother lives next door to a eduacated ****stani family. at 2300 hrs her mother was unwell from an operation and went to bed. The ****stani family wanted permission to use the garage as a platform for their house/roof repair. So when they rang an elderly ill woman at 2330 at night and she did not get up and answer the door they kicked it down.

A neighbour called the police and arrested the middle class ****stani family.

Another incidence in this country is Muslims want Sharia law, a sexist law where my OH a Doctor could not work.

She was told not to dress like that by Muslims if she visited patients in strong Islam suburbs - in Australia FFS

A society that wants to be seperate in Europe.

My OH is happy to donate money to anyone but her own experience with ****stani people in England and Australia has basically turned tolerance upside down and into a racist. She has donated her own clothes when on holiday to India and I had to stop her trying to adopt homeless kids but her personal experience is no. And no she is not BNP member and feels ****stani women are victims from her ****stani friends.

So please go ahead and critise her, this I intolerance I don't like about her either but her experience with ****stani people from high and low classes doesn't mean she hates them but disagrees with their values to the point she refuses to donate to them although I would.

Maybe he's married to Melanie Phillips?

Lovely woman.

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Which is kind of odd, considering she's Jewish....

Anyone not donating to ****stan?

I'm not, but not for the reasons of terrorism and so forth.

I only make charitable donations once per year at Christmas. I set aside £500 and will doll it out to the charities that have caught my eye through the year.

WWF, Save The Rainforest, The British Red Cross, and Macmillan Cancer were the beneficiaries last year.

Peace and goodwill and all that...

I'm not, but largely though apathy and not being aware of a specific appeal.
Oh, and there's nothing charitable about donating to the RNLI, Air ambulance, or mountain rescue, it's just a travel insurance policy payment by another name.

I can't help noticing how many intelligent and well thought out comments there are on this thread. But for me the prize goes to this one :

Shibboleth - Member

I'm not. Nature has a habit of sending these 'disasters' to redress the balance. Sending money just prolongs the inevitable.

Absolutely spot on Shibboleth. These people need to die, and sending money just prolongs the inevitable. Perhaps we could help to speed things up by bombing the area.

It's about time we accepted that not everyone has a right to life........certain people, because of their race, religion, or culture, are better dead.

So thanks for pointing that out Shibboleth.

It's just a shame that 70 years ago Adolf Hitler got so much stick for saying precisely the same thing.

Actually Ernie its from her own experience with these people and their values. Her mother lives next door to a eduacated ****stani family. at 2300 hrs her mother was unwell from an operation and went to bed. The ****stani family wanted permission to use the garage as a platform for their house/roof repair. So when they rang an elderly ill woman at 2330 at night and she did not get up and answer the door they kicked it down.

A neighbour called the police and arrested the middle class ****stani family.

And if white people had done this presumably this would be compelling evidence that all white people are all bastards?

Maybe they were concerned for the old woman's well-being, and kicked the door in because they felt it was an emergency?

Sorry, but find all that a bit dubious, I'm afraid to say.

My experience of ****stani people has helped me to [i]not[/i] be racist. But there you go.

Blimey, over 40 posts on a topic like this before Goodwin's Law is invoked. What's STW coming to?

Oh I missed that post, now I definitely won't be donating, as I've been told that their food smells funny too.

No not all them are but the list goes on and on grum.

I'm only stating why she won't donate and its her choice and to disagree with their ideals and values of intolerance has made her intolerant of the values not the people as she will not bow down to sharia law.

Personally I am not bothered by any colour or creed or religion but I had to question it myself should I donate-which I did on my £5 paypal account which is not alot just to prove that when ppl are suffering I don't care about their values but she's in a huff now anyway.

I'm not racist, there so many reasons to hate people, so whats the point of cutting down your demographic by concentrating on skin colour! 😛

Here here chaps Ime an avid MTB'er , work in the plumbing trade , and am a qualified CTC trail instructor whose been following STW for years. But guess what Ive got a thwacking great big beard , am a Muslim and of ****stani origin.
Contrary to popular belief Muslims do go biking , they also have cars and TV,s.
Wake up my fellow biking bretheren ****stan is a nation dominated by about 20 feudal families the likes of the Bhuttos , Zardaris and Choudry groups. Ever noticed how civilian govt's in ****stan bounce between these groups or the army ?
Ever wondered why Benazir at the behest of the Western govt's was brought back as the sacrificial lamb ? How come somebody like Imran Khan is not encouraged or supported by the west ? Benazir Bhutto and her husband ransacked ****stan lining their own pockets and building a property empire abroad. Yet she's always made to look like the heroin of ****stan. But defying all odds her husband a known criminal in exile manages to manipulate his way into power.

If your basing your opinions from info off the net ie Wikipedia then please don't it's not as simple as that.

****stan is still a country full of great people and a rich culture and great riding , probably more singletrack than anywhere. Unfortunatly most of those people are the poor with no voice and no social standing. They are the ones today who are dying , and have suffered the brunt of this disaster. Just bear in mind do you think that anybody asked them wether ****stan needs nukes ?

oh look some sense.

Ooh no we can't have that on here now, can we?

Where's Shibboleth gone? 🙄

Nice one, Lalazar!

I still aint donating though... 😛

lalazar that is what I have said to her that you can't label people but it is true the country is corrupt as hell and only the poor people are suffering yet they still voted the President in!

I'm not I have other causes close to my heart that I donate to close to home, and I am not about to give to a relief fund when I have no idea how the money will be spent and if it ever gets to the people in desperate need or into the hands of a corrupt organisation or terrorist group.

I'd struggle to stay married to someone with such retarded, ignorant opinions, not that I'd marry them in the first place

Some of us cant help being Alpha males, Dave, and how dare you judge Lalazar so harshly, i thought his post was very succinct and erudite

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cynic-al - Member
U31, they may, just may, not all be like that.

and indeed they aren't. IIRC the salary at the very top of a typical small ngo (say 6 million) is probably around that of a doctor. The rest of the staff are unlikely to be at even close to that.

In the end you (whoever, not specifically you cynic-al) have to decide if you agree with the cause and believe that the organisation can actually deliver what they say they are going to do rather than having glossy brochures, employ chuggers etc. If you believe that the folks in ****stan need help and that charity 'x' can do something there when the the government isn't - then go for it. If you don't then give your money to something closer to home that you can see. If you require that the charity adhere to your idea of a top salary then you will rarely give and never to the Red Cross 🙂

Please Frankenstein wake up he wasn't voted in he assumed power.
Elections in most third world countries don't work like GB. Your told who to vote for and you do it if you know what's good for you.

I do accept your point though about the behaviour of some ****stanis but there's also a flip side to that. I've had some real chavs move in across the road a few weeks back and they weren't letting anyone have any peace due to all night MCing. Do I now take them as representatives of the White community on the whole or accept that within a cross section of every group out there people like this exist. So if I deal with them does that make me a P@&! B&£@!?).

So if I deal with them does that make me a P@&! B&£@!?)

Thin ice mate, in an ideal world it makes you a good neighbour, but due to your ethnicity, i make you right, In the chavs eyes you would be that "effin ****.." and if you do tackle the problem you'll set yourself up for victimisation..

I knew there were some unpleasant thick bigots on this forum but they have excelled on this thread.

Anyone in mind with that statement Jeremey?

If the cap fits wear it.

Thats what I have said to her lalazar -you can't label all as there is good and bad in any population.

But I did donate to Red Cross appeal by paypal so she wouldn't check my card statement! 😉

But wake up? maybe the people of ****stan should wake up and stand up! even if violence is threatening you to vote for him if they all stood together but it doesn't happen as they want it enough. 😡

Maybe the way the country has caused and handled this flood will make them change their country for the better but I doubt it.

Personally I think it's sh**ty that you have nothing left, home gone flood water and disease spreading and nobody gives a crap.

Loads the bullet but unwilling to fire the gun?

Let's hope for te better then fella.

Not really U31 problem is dealt with haven't heard from the again.

Seize your chance, Lalazar... Unlike Jeremy, i doubt the posters on this thread are actually racist, merely uneducated to the situation, and as the posts above show you are in an almost unique position to understand and therefore explain the facts.

Turned in to great thread BTW

Good news on the scum neighbours too, out of interest did you intervene or was it a community effort?

knew there were some unpleasant thick bigots on this forum but they have excelled on this thread.

Thank you! 😀

Fascist...

Theres a bit of sick in my mouth now

The Middle East and Southern Asia is not my business. I'm not donating.

"Ebony & Ivory living in perfect harmony"

@cynic-al -If only that was true around the world it would be great! 😀

I think the Taliban would shoot Paul Macca on sight and after scratching their puzzled heads Stevie Wonder would be gunned down next! 😆

I'd actually PAY them to take out Macca...

I think the Taliban would shoot Paul Macca on sight

After hearing [i]The Frog Song[/i], I wouldn't say that's at all unreasonable.

The Middle East and Southern Asia is not my business. I'm not donating.

Where does one draw the line?

Think most people would shoot Macca on sight and imo wouldn't be soon enough.